Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bolder Modded SB3 compared to an external DAC

2007-06-16 Thread tricka

My apologies
I see this has been canvassed to death elsewhere and is likely to
inflame opinion again so... please ignore
Kind Regards
T


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stax Earspeakers

2007-06-16 Thread AlanE

Hi - I have had Stax headphones for at least 20 years, in this time I
have had New SR3s, SRX, Lambda Pros and Signatures. Powering these have
been SRDx, SRM1 Mk2  SRM-T1s. I have kept the latter two of headphones
/ Drivers the others going to friends. If I ever want to really listen
to the music it is to these headphones I always return to - I have
never heard a pair of Stax being bright, they are always just a
beautiful sound. I also have Sennheiser HD 650s / 280s Beyer DT880s and
some Jecklin Floats (I do seem to collect a lot of these things) - why?
- I use them in different systems - I cannot be bothered to move the
Stax around (too lazy?). Out of these non-electrostatics I would have
to say the the Beyers are probably the best sounding - certainly the
most comfortable. The oddest are of course the Jecklin Floats (if you
are not familiar with them then imagine the Cybermen from Doctor Who -
that is what you look like wearing these headphones - but again a good
sound).
I have not tried the 2050s - I think I probably have enough now - OH -
I forgot about the Etymotics - really useful on the move keeping the
world well out of the way.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How good is the DAC in the Squeezebox 3?

2007-06-16 Thread AlanE

blessingx;205041 Wrote: 
 Coincidentally, at a Head-Fi mini-meet yesterday, I tested a SB3 analog
 out against my Lavry DA10 and an Ori modified Zhaolu 2.5 DACs (pumped
 into an Eddie Current ECSS headamp and Sennheiser HD600 headphones
 using lossless files). While the Lavry and Zhaolu beat it in all
 respects (most notably detail, resolution and placement), the SB3 was
 no slouch and although the test was brief (and I've been fooled before
 and it should be mention the SB3 PS was upgraded to linear), it didn't
 seem an impossible downgrade. To be frank, I suspect I'd be quite happy
 with the SB3 as a source. Even more so if bang for buck is at all a
 consideration. I'll likely be ordering a white SB3 before the sale is
 over, and be able to test further in the future with a better amp.
Hi - I initially used my SB3 straight into the my power amp and thought
the sound was good (for the price extremely good). After a month or two
I used my DPA dac which was an improvement (although now of course I
had to insert a preamp), I then also tried the Oritek Modded Zhaolu
which I preferred - it was an improvement but not a quantum leap. That
came a few days ago when I built the Peter Daniels NOS DAC - as I have
posted in DIYAudio  this is the first time ANY digital source has begun
to sound like my analogue. Happy - I should say so - it seems that my
digital source is now settled - back to fiddling with the analogue!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint

2007-06-16 Thread Pale Blue Ego

James_B;209089 Wrote: 
 Out of curiosity, has anyone ever tried adding a third satellite to
 their Aego-M setup?

Good question, since the extra amp is already there.  I'll check it out
and report back...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Small room, small footprint

2007-06-16 Thread Pale Blue Ego

Very interesting...I tried it on the bedroom system that has the L and R
speakers on a shelf.  Adding the C speaker and putting it in the middle
tended to collapse the stereo spread, and since I was closer to the C
speaker, it seemed louder and had a tendency to overwhelm the other
channels a bit.

But once I got used to it, it wasn't too bad.  This might come in handy
if you have a lot of space between the L and R speakers and you need a
fill.

Things got a lot better as I moved the C speaker around.  When I turned
it around, pointing backwards into the shelf instead of out into the
room, it wasn't as loud and the reflections off the back of the shelf
were quite pleasant.

Then I put it on the floor under the headboard, and this resulted in
the best sound yet.  It seems to work better in an ambient or
reflective position, rather than pointing straight at the listener.

Lots of possibilities there.  With 3 channels playing, the already
punchy sound of the Aego was even stronger.  I have heard the 2.1
system playing quite loudly in a large room, and it doesn't sound wimpy
at all.  In fact we used the Aegos all week outside at a family reunion
on a mountaintop and it sounded great.  Using the extra amp and
speaker, you could really bathe a large area in quality sound.

I have no idea where you'd get an extra sat, though.  Maybe direct from
Acoustic Energy?  Or from a dealer who might have a dead sub unit?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sb4 ?

2007-06-16 Thread arge

HW:
1) SB3 form factor is OK (a bigger display would be nice now that I am
closer to 40s)

2) Balanced, volume controlled, output

3) Of course fanless.

Additional SW:
1) An audio driver that lets me redirect the Windows (XP - Vista)
mixer output to the SB.
This will finally give the fexibility of (somtimes) use real speakers
with my PC sw (e.g. Windows Media Player 11) with the SB.
Yes, I like WMP 11 very much when I am seating in front of my PC.
Ideally this driver has low enough latency to allow for synch DVD
video/audio playback (I do not care about 5.1, 7.1 ,...) 

Cost: $400.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] In Wall Speakers

2007-06-16 Thread Mark Lanctot

whdean;209203 Wrote: 
 In my judgement, the lower end mass market units are thin and tinny -
 A 50 WPC NAD will be smooth and mellow. Much less listener fatigue.

Ah but this is one of the fairly legendary Panny SA-XRs, the ones with
the cult following.  The technology is similar to the Sonic Impact
T-amp.

kkitts, if you do go with the XR, use the digital inputs.  This unit's
strength is in the digital section - apparently the analog section is
typical of what you get for that price.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stax Earspeakers

2007-06-16 Thread Anne

This has nothing to do with Stax NOT being good, so forgive me, its just
info that I found, and pass on, nothing more.
Measurements distortion of Senn 650  Stax Omega  srm-007t
http://www.headphone.com/technical/product-measurements/build-a-graph.php?graphID%5B0%5D=255graphID%5B1%5D=429graphID%5B2%5D=graphID%5B3%5D=graphType=1buttonSelection=Compare+Headphones
Frequency sweep : 
http://www.headphone.com/technical/product-measurements/build-a-graph.php?graphID%5B0%5D=255graphID%5B1%5D=429graphID%5B2%5D=graphID%5B3%5D=graphType=0buttonSelection=Compare+Headphones
Remember, the graphs are not straight because the ear itself causes
lots of reflections...
Interesting thing to play with, but it doesnt tell you how the sound is
otherwise.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stax Earspeakers

2007-06-16 Thread AlanE

Annie - apologies if my reply seemed overly defensive - it is just
having used Stax for so long I use them as my reference for what is the
correct sound (right or wrong!!).

Alan


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bolder Modded SB3 compared to an external DAC

2007-06-16 Thread tyler_durden

Aw nutz!

TD


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] In Wall Speakers

2007-06-16 Thread kkitts

The panasonic is defintely something that I am considering. What do you
guys think about Yamaha receivers? Maybe something like the RXV-659?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] In Wall Speakers

2007-06-16 Thread Mark Lanctot

kkitts;209288 Wrote: 
 The panasonic is defintely something that I am considering. What do you
 guys think about Yamaha receivers? Maybe something like the RXV-659?

Yamaha is the world's #1 receiver manufacturer in terms of volume, so
they do know what they're doing.  Their receivers are usually
well-regarded and aren't the Sony (non-ES), Panasonic (non-XR) and JVC
crap.  Personally their sickly yellow VFDs make me ill, but that's just
cosmetics.  ;-)

However the Panny has some interesting and different technology.  Many
describe it as an all-digital amp but apparently that's not quite
accurate.  At any rate, it has quite a reputation for digital among
certain groups - see www.avsforum.com for example.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stax Earspeakers

2007-06-16 Thread Phil Leigh

Anne;209280 Wrote: 
 This has nothing to do with Stax NOT being good, so forgive me, its just
 info that I found, and pass on, nothing more.
 Measurements distortion of Senn 650  Stax Omega  srm-007t
 http://www.headphone.com/technical/product-measurements/build-a-graph.php?graphID%5B0%5D=255graphID%5B1%5D=429graphID%5B2%5D=graphID%5B3%5D=graphType=1buttonSelection=Compare+Headphones
 Frequency sweep : 
 http://www.headphone.com/technical/product-measurements/build-a-graph.php?graphID%5B0%5D=255graphID%5B1%5D=429graphID%5B2%5D=graphID%5B3%5D=graphType=0buttonSelection=Compare+Headphones
 Remember, the graphs are not straight because the ear itself causes
 lots of reflections...
 Interesting thing to play with, but it doesnt tell you how the sound is
 otherwise.

Well that graph looks  little odd to me - what's with the 0dB
distortion spike - no way that wouldn't be audible!...


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. CIAudio VDA-2

2007-06-16 Thread kphinney

2pm EST, Saturday June 16

I just bought a Channel Islands Audio DAC and a friend of mine is on
his way over with a Benchmark DAC1 for a little comparison.  I'd like
You to tell us what comparisons to run and we'll report back with our
impressions. 

Many here are proponents of the DAC1 so here's the unit we're comparing
to and my current setup:

CI Audio VDA-2 with VAC-1 Upgrade Power Supply
...coaxial SPDIF, then fed to the CS8416 24 bit/192k low jitter input
receiver, then to the Burr Brown PCM1794 balanced/current output DAC.

JoLida 102B Amp
2 matched pairs J J Tesla EL84's.
Electro-Harmonix 12AX7A pre-amp tubes.

Omega 6 Grande
Full range Fostex FE 167E driver without crossover.
95dB sensitivity 50-20KHz frequency response.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. CIAudio VDA-2

2007-06-16 Thread opaqueice

One suggestion - after listening to the two for a while to get a sense
of the difference, try listening blind.  Make sure the volumes are
matched.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. CIAudio VDA-2

2007-06-16 Thread JJZolx

kphinney;209304 Wrote: 
 2pm EST, Saturday June 16I'd like You to tell us what comparisons to run

Here's a really wild idea... how about listening to the same music
through both of them?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS:[UK] Black SB+

2007-06-16 Thread kphinney

Isn't there an eBay.co.uk for this stuff?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. CIAudio VDA-2

2007-06-16 Thread kphinney

Funny guy.  I thought we'd just weigh both of them and maybe see how hot
they become if left in the sun.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. CIAudio VDA-2

2007-06-16 Thread JJZolx

kphinney;209309 Wrote: 
 Funny guy.  I thought we'd just weigh both of them and maybe see how hot
 they become if left in the sun.
You could also take some measurements on a scope and it would give you
just about as much information on how they sound.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] In Wall Speakers

2007-06-16 Thread whdean

You're getting some good advice here, so I'll back out after this ...

I agree that Yamaha is at the top end of the mass market stuff. I used
a Yamaha RX-V2095 A/V receiver before I got my Parasound stuff for my
main music/HT system. 

My pereption of the Yamaha was that it also suffered from being thin
and somewhat shrill, compared to the mid-fi stuff.

When I got my SB3 for the HT system, I experimented with all possible
connections - Digital out, analog out to the analog inputs and analog
out to the 5.1 by-pass inputs. The by-pass inputs only use the preamp
of the Parasound pre/pro - the analog inputs route the analog signal
back into the digital path, and in effect, does a second DAC
conversion. If the DSP modes still work with the analog inputs, thats
clear evidence that the analog signal is being reproccessed to digital
and back to anaolg again.

With the stock SB3, the digital out sounded better than the analog out
to the analog inputs. The analog out to the by-pass inputs sounded
better than the digital out in most ways, but was a little thin
sounding.

After full Bolder mods, the analog out to the by-pass inputs is
substantially better than the digital output.

For you, I would say that if you go with a mass market receiver, use
the digital out to avoid double DAC conversion. If you want to use the
SB3's DAC, which is likely to be beter than the DAC in the AV receiver,
you would need to go the used mid-fi route and use the SB3 analog out to
the analog inputs.

You may want to check and see if the A/V receivers that you are looking
at have the ability to pass analog signals stright thru, w/out
re-conversion. That may be via an additional set of 5.1 by-pass inputs,
or via a setting that disables the DSP on the analog path. That could be
the best of both worlds - The digital output would use the receiver's
DAC and it's DSP features, and the analog output would pass the SB3's
DAC signal straight to the receiver's analog path, w/out re-processing.
That way, you could hook both up and choose the one you like best.

I have both hooked up on my Parasound - I like the Bolder modded analog
to the Bolder modded digital going to the DAC in the $3,500 pre/pro. But
I do sometimes use the digital output to use the various DSP modes, such
as 5.1 channel music, or the 5.1 channel party mode, when the music is
more for background for a group of people than for critical listening.

Hope this helps,

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] In Wall Speakers

2007-06-16 Thread kkitts

I appreciate all the tips. The yamaha does have something called pure
direct - not sure exactly what that does - but it would be a good idea
to try both analog and digital inputs to see if I hear any difference -
and try the pure direct mode as well. I actually have an older model
yamaha and SB so I could actually try this out.

I think that the yamaha also has something - which I believe is like
party mode - 7 channel stereo - nice if you want to fill a room -
or a couple of rooms with sound - like you said...

I'll experiment a little...


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stax Earspeakers

2007-06-16 Thread Anne

AlanE;209282 Wrote: 
 Annie - apologies if my reply seemed overly defensive - it is just
 having used Stax for so long I use them as my reference for what is the
 correct sound (right or wrong!!).
 
 Alan

Oh no, I agree with you, its just that I couldnt have that much money
packed away in a Stax set I hardly use, so I sold it.
The sound is truly state of the art, and I even didnt hear it with my
Bryston dac in place in the amp.
I played SB3 analog out, and then via Tape Out to the Stax, and I
thought the sound was extremely good.
Had I tried the Stax with the Bryston dac, which I bought for the money
the Stax gave, well, then I would truly have been swept off my feet
because the Bryston dac is s much better, the tests where right,
incredible resolution, astonishing.
Well, thats life, give and take, choose, and live with what you, maybe,
not should have soldbut I am happy with my Senns.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-06-16 Thread Kiwi


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Here is my outdoor setup using a SB3 connected wirelessly to SS running
on Windows Home Server. The speakers are 3-way JBL S36IIPMs, which I
got for $150 per pair delivered, that sit in stainless steel speaker
enclosures that are in the pillars of my patio. While they are not
being used they are covered with stainless steel covers. I power this
with a 20+ year old Yamaha R-100 receiver. This is obviously
acoustically deficient compared to what can be achieved in a controlled
indoor environment but this really rocks for parties on the patio, or a
quiet beer or wine with same laid back tunes in the evening.

Guests are intrigued with the SB3 and many have expressed interest in
getting one. I have my music collection stored losslessly and I use
Rhapsody for guests requests. I have the good fortune to not have close
neighbors so I can let it rip when I want.

Check here
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS:[UK] Black SB+

2007-06-16 Thread GaryG

To give you the opportunity to buy it as I'm guessing you don't check
out the UK ebay site very often, it will outperform your SB3 and
Channel Islands Audio DAC.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-06-16 Thread Anne


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Now you see it...now you dont.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS:[UK] Black SB+

2007-06-16 Thread kphinney

I could care less if it did and I'm sorry you paid too much for an
upgraded SB2.

Regardless, this isn't a Classifieds Ads.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS:[UK] Black SB+

2007-06-16 Thread GaryG

My apologies, so why didn't you post complaints in these threads?

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35141highlight=sale

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33929highlight=sale

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33930highlight=sale

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33393highlight=sale

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32882highlight=sale

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33019highlight=sale

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32582highlight=sale

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30889highlight=sale


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A photo of your Squeezebox setup (please)

2007-06-16 Thread crooner


A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
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Anne;209335 Wrote: 
 Now you see it...now you dont.
 The TV is a 37 Panasonic PV60E
 Niels.

Very nice and classy Anne!!!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Benchmark vs. CIAudio VDA-2

2007-06-16 Thread kphinney

It's pretty close to a tie.  We decided to write some of this down
before running out for another bottle of wine.  The VDA-2 is in the
lead but we have agreed to listen to both on G's system before we
declare any consummate winner.
We've run the gambit from Norah Jones to The Cult, Handle to Ozzy. 
Thumping bass rattle the windows to whisper quiet unplug the
refrigerator in the next room.  Hands down, with the present system
the VDA-2 shines in one area - quiet listening.  At low volumes it
seems that the DAC1 isn't as synergistic with my little tube amp. 
Crisp vocals on Stephen Stills Stills Alone (The Ballad Of Hollis
Brown) were unobtainable with the Benchmark at low volumes.  By low
volumes I do not mean the type of listening you do to keep the
neighbors happy.  I mean the type of listening you do if you'd like to
sustain a happy marriage with a sleeping wife at 1am in a medium size
apartment.  Think whisper.  

VDA-2: Guitar plucks resonated as if they were live.  Stills' guttural
and sometimes raspy voice made me want to clear my own throat.
DAC1:  More muted as if the strings had been dampened, and his voice
lacked the throat of realism.

After realizing the low volume phenom we listened to all of our picks
at quiet levels and found a big gap between the two DACs with the
CIAudio coming out ahead.  (Thank god someone suggested we listened to
the same music on BOTH DAC's - never would have thought of that
myself.)

The rest is pretty unremarkable.  The DAC1 and VDA-2 with PS upgrade
sound very close to identical when the SB3 is used as a transport on my
low watt system.  I'm happy I made my purchase.  G insists that we
compare on his system and I agree.  I'll post more when we do.  Right
now it's another bottle of red (Gala Rouge, Pinot Noir is a super
bargain and goes well with both DACs) and a side of Allison Krauss. 
This gives me another idea:  Anyone else in the Boston area want to
plug and play components?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS:[UK] Black SB+

2007-06-16 Thread kphinney

This is nothing short of spam.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] FS:[UK] Black SB+

2007-06-16 Thread Skunk

kphinney;209356 Wrote: 
 This is nothing short of spam.

I was thinking something more like an argument between the pot and the
kettle:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=208352postcount=12 *:P*


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sb4 ?

2007-06-16 Thread earthbased

Pale Blue Ego;207961 Wrote: 
 Pure Harmony?
 
 If it's anything like the 880, I'll pass.

Overall, I like the Harmony 880 Programmable Remote.  It is very easy
to program and is very easy to use.  My one gripe is the flat/small
buttons.  The display could also be be higher resolution.


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