Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
Could you not just use something like mediamonkey? It is good enough for some quite seriously high-end users and producers of hi-res music: http://www.referencerecordings.com/HrxKeith.asp -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
Softsqueeze is deprecated - there will be no further development by development team. Development effort is being put into Squeezeplay as the supported soft player. -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
Fine, let's change my wishes : SqueezePlay that would be ASIO compatible + a dedicated (or not, but its just fair that Logitech has some credit for the work) Juli@ Soundcard (I2S out). For info, i've been using Foobar(Foobar + RME + Reymio DAC) with a dedicated web Interface, sound is not as High end as CPlay/CMP. CPlay/CMP + RME + Reymio DAC is better than CEC TL0x + Reymio DAC. Best regards, Jean -- bidule bidule's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15337 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SeeDeClip/TxtDeClip
seanadams;381271 Wrote: There is no way to undo compression. This doesn't make sense to me. As long as there is at least a small variation in dynamics why can't a dynamic range expander work to expand the dynamic range, which in effect is undoing some of the compression? DBX range expanders were around even 30 years ago or more. -- Rick B. Rick B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57872 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
I don't think that's gonna happen. It contradicts the whole concept of getting the audio away from the computer. That's what the SBs and Transporter are all about. Also, Logitech is a hardware company that makes peripheral devices, not PC components. -s. -- slimpy slimpy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1524 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SeeDeClip/TxtDeClip
Rick B.;381632 Wrote: This doesn't make sense to me. As long as there is at least a small variation in dynamics why can't a dynamic range expander work to expand the dynamic range, which in effect is undoing some of the compression? DBX range expanders were around even 30 years ago or more. As I mentioned some of the components of the signal are compressed and some aren't. One dilemma is uncompressing the right bits of a complex signal. Another dilemma is figuring out exactly what manner of compression was applied to begin with. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57872 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a dedicated sound card, as it's kind of the opposite of what they do here. That said I'd vote for an enhancement request that SqueezePlay become ASIO aware (even though I don't have a sound card that can avoid resampling to 48kHz, or know much about ASIO in general). One of the great things about these devices is that they keep you from having to worry about bit perfect streaming being ASIO dependent, but I can appreciate that some people really want to make use of their expensive cards. But to put it in perspective; I'd rather see them spend months working on the SqueezePlay interface than a week on ASIO support. -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SeeDeClip/TxtDeClip
Rick B.;381632 Wrote: This doesn't make sense to me. As long as there is at least a small variation in dynamics why can't a dynamic range expander work to expand the dynamic range, which in effect is undoing some of the compression? DBX range expanders were around even 30 years ago or more. DBX tried to use a linear compression to improve performance of tape recordings in general. So they mapped say 75dB of incoming signal range to 50dB of outgoing. Then applied inverse approach on playback. There were still the problems of how fast to react to big changes etc. - but many thought it was an improvement. today this could be done in a digital domain somewhat better. You can look forward in time to set the compression etc. There was also briefly Dolby C for domestic cassette recorders which aimed to compress and then re-expand high frequencies to improve tape saturation and noise performance. However in many multitrack recordings today, the production may employee instrument compression on individual tracks, or frequency selective compression as well. Without the original multitrack and the rules you can't get back to the original preprocessed signal. The ultimate truth is we get what the production engineers (and maybe even the artists) want. Today overall fidelity seems to take more of a back seat - compare reimastered vinyl in the 80s and 90s where they tried to maximise the quality, with re-mastered cds - which in general are to maximise effect or dramatically change the mix. Just 'google' loudness wars - then add your vote. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57872 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
kphinney;381455 Wrote: Celine! I'll never forgive you for Corey Hart, Brian Adams, and The Tragically Hip. Good thing you have (had) Gordon Lightfoot, and Rush in your favor... and Shania Twain. Actually, now that I think about it, Canada puts out Less Crap per capita than the US, and probably has a better Good-to-Crap ratio too. Although, The Hip really rub me the wrong way. And don't forget: Oscar Peterson, Neil Young, K.D. Lang, Leonard Cohen and Barenaked Ladies However, Celine Dion remains an unforgivable offense. Oh how I detest thee, let me count the ways: over-the-top singing, unlistenable arrangements and god awful songs. Please Celine, just once record a halfway worthwhile song, maybe one by fellow countryman Cohen to start. (I looked at the listing of her songs on All Music Guide - not one song by the likes of Dylan, Young or Cohen but there is one John Lennon song - Beautiful Boy - one of his more forgettable tunes.) -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
ralphpnj;381695 Wrote: And don't forget: Oscar Peterson, Neil Young, K.D. Lang, Leonard Cohen and Barenaked Ladies The Guess Who and Paul Anka as well... However, Celine Dion remains an unforgivable offense. Oh how I detest thee, let me count the ways: over-the-top singing, unlistenable arrangements and god awful songs. Please Celine, just once record a halfway worthwhile song, maybe one by fellow countryman Cohen to start. (I looked at the listing of her songs on All Music Guide - not one song by the likes of Dylan, Young or Cohen but there is one John Lennon song - Beautiful Boy - one of his more forgettable tunes.) We here in Canada determined that Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction were ineffective and developed Celine... Militarily we're fairly small so we stick to psy-ops tactics. ;-) -- Mark Lanctot Current: SB2, Transporter, Boom (PQP3 - late beta) Stored: Boom (PQP1 - early beta), SBC (beta - no battery) Sold: SB3, Duet Mark Lanctot's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
still improving the sb classic�s sound quality
hello alltogehter, i am still dedicated to squeeze the maximum sound quality out of my sb classic. - replacing the switched 5v power supply with a nice home-built 5v linear regulated one (incl. mains filter + enough storage capacity in a closed aluminum case) really improved the low level playback performance of the sb. especially residual noises at 400Hz test-tone levels from -60dB downwards are gone! - what is still missing from my perspective, is some kind of volume adaptation of the quite high output level of the sb connected to my naim nait5i amp. the amp will reach clipping already before the 12 o´clock position of the volume control! listening at lower levels drives the potentiometer´s stereo balance already in unfavorable regions, where the differences between left and right attenuation are quite high. - so, mentally excluding some resistor voltage dividers outside the box (because of various dimensioning problems) and of course excluding the built-in software attenuation, i came to the conclusion, to modify the post-dac filter-circuit (this op-amp based butterworth filter) for less amplification (maybe some 8-10dB), but no change in roll-off behaviour! therefore i would need the dimensioning of that built-in filter circuitry! yes, i checked already the burr-brown/ti recommendations and some other threads, especially the ones where a link was mentioned, with some circuitry drawings of the sb´s output section (i think from sean adams), but nothing solid is available any more. - is there anybody out there, to give some good advice on the filter design/assembly of the sb classic!? thanks in advance and br duesentrieb -- duesentrieb duesentrieb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22181 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57927 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
Mark Lanctot;381703 Wrote: The Guess Who and Paul Anka as well... We here in Canada determined that Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction were ineffective and developed Celine... Militarily we're fairly small so we stick to psy-ops tactics. ;-) I think it's working - maybe you need to spread your tactics into the eastern world - it could cause disarmament, probably more effective and less costly than the UN. ;-) David -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
bidule;381635 Wrote: Fine, let's change my wishes : SqueezePlay that would be ASIO compatible I think I saw an bug report or maybe some roadmap mentioning ASIO support for Squeezeplay. Otherwise it might be worth filing a request. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Thinking about the Transporter again
Or perhaps I'm unlucky; it was pretty bad for me during the first cycles of the 7.* releases. But it's all good now. Haven't been an issue for a long time now. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 24bit/96kHz
...I have to agree. The old adage your system is only as good as the weakest link still holds, and as we all have high quality equipment/cables the need for the source, the original mastering, to be better is probably more important than most of the other things we spend our time worrying about (i.e. 16/44.1 v 24/96 etc.). If the mastering is poor, then no amount of of equipment will make it sound perfect. I think the 24/48, 24/96 issue is just progress. I have listened to a dem on a transporter comparing CD 16/44.1 v 24bit sources of the same material and it is better... or was it just different...?! But progress is progress and that just means that as Internet download speeds improve and storage get cheaper, then recording studios will start making 24/96 the defacto, and that will one day mean that everyone will end up needing to upgrade their equipment (including everyone with SB2 or SB3!) which will in turn drive the future audio market. If this didn't happen we'd all get bored!! ;o) (but if they make the cost of a 24/96 even 10% more than a 16/44.1 then I for one won't buy it -- it isn't that much better). Technically, 24/96 is *different* to 16/44.1 -- that can be proved (one file is 20Mb and the other one is 80Mb)!!! Whether you can hear the difference, and whether it is better, is just down to your ears... (just hope all that extra HF doesn't upset pets!) -- swarduk swarduk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20371 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57413 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SeeDeClip/TxtDeClip
Thank you, Dave, for your excellent reply. I see what you mean. -- Rick B. Rick B.'s Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8973 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57872 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Thinking about the Transporter again
Support our economy - buy stuff! Buy American! -- kphinney *-Hopefully a new trend:*- I'm not endorsing or advertising any of my gear, nor flaunting it as an Audiophile setup. Suffice to say, my Squeezebox is connected to a DAC, the DAC outputs to a small unpretentious tube amp which drives full range, single driver speakers. The speakers, in turn, present beautiful music to my humble ears. kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57762 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
tomjtx;381408 Wrote: Can you distinguish between Peggie and Billie in a DBT ? If not, I submit to you they are the same person. If you disagree we can duke it out at an audio meet of your choosing (preferably in Europe ) I will write it off on my tax return as ongoing musical development :-) The 1st bottle of wine is on me. This thread is hilarious. :) I'd be happy to meet and enjoy some tunes. First we need to decide who has the best system. Um, me. Now that's sorted... :) Seriously, though, I'm based in Colchester. I don't know whereabouts yourself or others are. Anywhere within a couple of hours' drive would be fine for me. ralphpnj;381405 Wrote: DBT, Pro-audio, DBT, pro-audio, DBT, pro-audio, DBT, pro-audio. ralphpnj;381695 Wrote: Oh how I detest thee, let me count the ways: Hehe. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SeeDeClip/TxtDeClip
Rick B.;381632 Wrote: This doesn't make sense to me. As long as there is at least a small variation in dynamics why can't a dynamic range expander work to expand the dynamic range, which in effect is undoing some of the compression? DBX range expanders were around even 30 years ago or more. No it isn't. Both compression and expansion are effects. I've used them both extensively in the studio. To a limited extent you use one to reverse the other... on an individual track. However, on a mix which contains multiple different simultaneous compressions/expansions often with frequency-limited bands (there really isn't enough space to explain all of this here) + overall compression of some sort, there is no way to accurately undo mix compression. Sure, you can slap a dynamic exciter / dynamics processor across a mix and make it lively again but this is a major FX treatment and has nothing to do with the original mix master. I'll try another way. The end results of track + sub-mix/group +master Compression and expansion are non-linear and non-deterministic. So you can't undo them accurately. All you can do is add another layer of FX to the end result! A dynamic range expander is a creative effect. It has nothing to do with accurate reproduction. Slapping a DBX, BBE or whatever across a mix can be fun, but... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57872 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox vs Xbox 360?
BlueScreenJunky;381614 Wrote: (Yeah I know, that topic is old ^^) Anyway, I'm considering switching from X360 to Squeezebox for these reasons : -X360 is noisy -You can't control the X360 w/o turning the TV on. -X360 doesn't decode FLAC -There's not much you can configure about the way ths 360 handles your library. All very good reasons. However, I have no idea what to expect about the sound quality. I use the analog outputs of the 360, and will use the analog on the SB3 too since I don't have a DAC... Do you think I can hope a substantial improvement ? thanx ! As a 40+yr old, my hearing is supposedly sucky. (The irony of audiophilia is that the majority of people suffering from this disease are in the declining years of their hearing...) But it's very easy for me, without tossing a ton of money at speakers, dac or other audiophilia to tell the difference between a Squeezebox and a computer sound card. I can still tell the difference between mp3 and flac on most things, unless the mp3 is encoded in 'extreme' mode when it can be a bit trickier: I can still hear artifacts at 192 if I listen for them. I know this isn't exactly what you asked for.. but I dont have an Xbox to compare it with... just that the SB is really really nice quality audio, and while I don't think I could hear the difference at my age and with my equipment between an SBClassic or Receiver and the transporter... I am pretty confident I could detect the Xbox (even if the fan noise was zero). There is a lot of fancy junk inside the xbox that makes for more noise sources and any of that making it to the audio before amplification would be bad. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23614 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SeeDeClip/TxtDeClip
DaveWr;381685 Wrote: DBX tried to use a linear compression to improve performance of tape recordings in general. So they mapped say 75dB of incoming signal range to 50dB of outgoing. Then applied inverse approach on playback. There were still the problems of how fast to react to big changes etc. - but many thought it was an improvement. today this could be done in a digital domain somewhat better. You can look forward in time to set the compression etc. There was also briefly Dolby C for domestic cassette recorders which aimed to compress and then re-expand high frequencies to improve tape saturation and noise performance. However in many multitrack recordings today, the production may employee instrument compression on individual tracks, or frequency selective compression as well. Without the original multitrack and the rules you can't get back to the original preprocessed signal. The ultimate truth is we get what the production engineers (and maybe even the artists) want. Today overall fidelity seems to take more of a back seat - compare reimastered vinyl in the 80s and 90s where they tried to maximise the quality, with re-mastered cds - which in general are to maximise effect or dramatically change the mix. Just 'google' loudness wars - then add your vote. Dave Even with the rules, you can't go back! You would have to remix from the raw multitrack. If you stick a signal through a compressor followed by an expander, you don't get the original signal out! Analogue or digital Compression is a one-way street. It's EXACTLY like WAV-MP3 - you cant ever get the WAV back. Once dynamic range is lost, the original accurate level information is lost. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57872 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
ralphpnj;381116 Wrote: Case in point: compare Holly Cole's singing to that of many of the more popular female jazz singers (Diana Krall) for an example of what I'm trying to say. Listening on last.fm her Dark Dear Heart album is more up my street musically. It might accidentally fall into my Amazon shopping basket. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox vs Xbox 360?
I have a heard a lower-end BW 5.1 system fed by an XBox360 and it was good considering the total cost of the system. I haven't A/B'd it to an SB3 but I can tell you I enjoy the sound of my SB3 analogue outs into the Krell/PMCs. I know there are better sources but it's good enough that my attention tends to turn to recording quality and rest of system rather than the SB3. I use Inguz to get a flatter in-room bass response and leave all frequencies above 125Hz untouched. I use an inexpensive mains filter and linear PS with the SB3. Some claim these shouldn't help but I'm sure they don't harm. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23614 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
What's wrong with Bryan Adams? - I saw him at Milton Keynes in 1991 with ZZ Top, The Firm and Thunder etc and he was v. good and I love the Reckless album... He even did a rocked-up version of Everything I do... which the crowd of leather-clad rockers sang along with! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox vs Xbox 360?
Thanx, you both pretty much answered my question (and another question which was should I get a DAC with the SB3 ?), so I'll get a SB3 and just enjoy the music, and I'll see next year if I can get even more out of it =) As a 40+yr old, my hearing is supposedly sucky. (The irony of audiophilia is that the majority of people suffering from this disease are in the declining years of their hearing...) Your ear is getting less sensitive, especially in higher frequencies, but it doesn't mean you'll be less likely to tell the difference between High quality sound and lower quality : It's actually your brain that does most of the job. Some people can't hear the difference between 128kbps mp3 and lossless, but it's probably not because of their ears, just that they don't know how to listen ^^ -- BlueScreenJunky BlueScreenJunky's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22725 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23614 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
Phil Leigh;381831 Wrote: What's wrong with Bryan Adams? His hair. and just about everything else including the fact whenever one does a search for Ryan Adams, Bryan Adams almost always shows up instead. Foul, very foul. I should note that several recent DBT's have conclusively confirmed that Ryan Adams and Bryan Adams are, in fact, two very distinct and different people. However, in the pro-audio world there still remains a great deal confusion on this issue. Hey, but at least they're pros. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Squeezebox vs Xbox 360?
BlueScreenJunky;381837 Wrote: Your ear is getting less sensitive, especially in higher frequencies, but it doesn't mean you'll be less likely to tell the difference between High quality sound and lower quality : It's actually your brain that does most of the job. Some people can't hear the difference between 128kbps mp3 and lossless, but it's probably not because of their ears, just that they don't know how to listen ^^ Well for what it is worth, that high pitched squeal that was being touted on the news a year or two ago as a way to force teens to stop loitering around your business without annoying others (was it 17khz? supposedly older people couldnt hear it).. was truly annoying. I still have reasonably good hearing at the high end, so I am not all that worried. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=23614 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
Back to 70+ years old singers, I recently discovered (Little) Jimmy Scott's amazing cover of Nothing Compares To You, and I immediately fell in love with it. That's pure emotion. -- sebp System : Mac Mini for ripping to FLAC (Max) SqueezeCenter 7.3 running on a ReadyNAS NV+ Living room : Squeezebox 3 North Star Model 192 NuForce IA-7 v2 KEF iQ9 Bedroom : Squeezebox 3 Beresford DAC NAD C315BEE KEF iQ3 Kitchen : SB Receiver Trends Audio TA10.1 Celestion F10 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/sebp) sebp's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11768 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
sebp;381883 Wrote: Back to 70+ years old singers, I recently discovered (Little) Jimmy Scott's amazing cover of Nothing Compares To You, and I immediately fell in love with it. That's pure emotion. With that for $200 or $400? Or perhaps Double Jeopardy? -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] ANNOUNCEMENT: Transporter Rack Mount Kit Now Available!
Get them while they're hot! https://secure.slimdevices.com/products.php?product=Transporter-Rack-Mount-Kit Mike -- mvalera Michael Valera Online Communities Manager Logitech Streaming Media Business Unit slimdevices.com mvalera's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11086 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57945 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
Here is the enhancement request mentioned above: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10483 I voted for this because I use SP a lot on the desktop, and if I get a card that can take advantage of ASIO it would be nice to have the feature available. Reading some past threads re: SoftSqueeze and ASIO I got the impression that beyond SQ, it might be possible to fine tune the latency to improve sync as well. Might have misread that though. Also, there will always be audiophiles who insist on using the long wire approach as seen above, but if you get them using SC they will probably also buy other peripheral players. Oh yeah, and I'm a big proponent of SqueezePlay and want to see it become loved by others as much as me! -- Skunk http://www.last.fm/user/TheSkunk/ Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
pfarrell;381492 Wrote: A month or two ago, my daughter installed over 700 gig of ram in some servers. There you go! I'm out of date already! Based on that, I'm guessing there are already some machines with a Terabyte in them now... Moore's law may be in danger, but it's still on track for now! -- DCtoDaylight Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, Infinite Signal to Noise Ratio, and a Bandwidth from DC to Daylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Difference Duet/SB3 vs. cd transport
I was going to start a similar thread last week after listening a few hours to my new SB3. Listening to SB3 digital out to my DAC, I was very disappointed and confused with the sound. It seemed as though I had lost all imaging and soundstaging, compared to other listening sessions with my other transports. Music was very uninvolving, one-dimensional and had none of the magic - like when you close your eyes, the speakers disappear and you become immersed in the music. I was seriously considering returning the SB3, but the logical part of my brain kept telling me that the SB3's digital output should not be the root of the issue. All my music is FLAC, which I streamed as FLAC, as well as WAV for experimentation. Also, I had the digital out set to 100% and had all volume adjustment disabled. I was perplexed because my previous experiences had not convinced me of appreciable differences between transports and digital cables, at least in my system. Fast forward to last night... I played the same recording with the SB3, and the imaging, soundstage and magic were there. I was able to get lost in the recording. I need to do more listening over the next few days to confirm what I'm experiencing. I doubt the SB3 or the rest of the equipment is performing any differently now. I think the issues may have been mental or physiological - something was blocking my ability to enjoy the music. It was like my mind or imagination was just was not receptive to the music, resulting in a flat, uninvolving experience. Also, I had been sick a few days earlier - maybe that could have had an affect too. The point is that I believe one's mental (and physical) state can have a big impact on the level of involvement and enjoyment, which could lead to conclusions about the gear being used. Anyone else experience this? -- adam2434 adam2434's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Difference Duet/SB3 vs. cd transport
Oh Man, I hope you just didn't open up the whole can of worms entitled cable break-in! On a side note: did you upgrade from Slimserver 7.3 to 7.3.1 between non-musical and musical? There have been many reports of 7.3.0 sounding worse than predecessors. -- kphinney *-Hopefully a new trend:*- I'm not endorsing or advertising any of my gear, nor flaunting it as an Audiophile setup. Suffice to say, my Squeezebox is connected to a DAC, the DAC outputs to a small unpretentious tube amp which drives full range, single driver speakers. The speakers, in turn, present beautiful music to my humble ears. kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Difference Duet/SB3 vs. cd transport
kphinney;381994 Wrote: Oh Man, I hope you just didn't open up the whole can of worms entitled cable break-in! On a side note: did you upgrade from Slimserver 7.3 to 7.3.1 between non-musical and musical? There have been many reports of 7.3.0 sounding worse than predecessors. I thought a little about the break-in of the SB3 being a possibility (if that is even physically possible), but I had already had 24 hours of run-in on it before the disappointing experience last week. I believe I've only used version 7.3.1, as I just downloaded the software for the 1st time a couple weeks ago and just set-up the SB3 last week. -- adam2434 adam2434's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Difference Duet/SB3 vs. cd transport
adam2434;381992 Wrote: Anyone else experience this? Well, maybe it's blasphemy, but I also am certain that somedays the music sounds great and other days not so much and the only difference is my state of body mind. But that shouldn't really be surprising... a common cold, nasal pressure, a headache, a really shitty day, too much to drink, (not enough to drink)... all these effect everything else in my life - why not listening to music? -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57757 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SoftSqueeze + Dedicated PCi Sound Card
ASIO should certainly help with sync - the latency is both smaller and more predictable. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57910 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
A month or two ago, my daughter installed over 700 gig of ram in some servers. You mean hard disk storage right? -- agentsmith System 1: Transporter, Naim 202/200/Hicap/NAPSC/Ariva System 2: SB2 connected via TOSLINK to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
agentsmith wrote: A month or two ago, my daughter installed over 700 gig of ram in some servers. You mean hard disk storage right? No ram, it was not just one machine, but blades in a single rack. 704 or some number close to that of RAM. Many many terabytes of disk all RAID, etc. a Sun Fire is a 4U unit that holds 48 hot swappable SATA disks. Since terabyte drives are cheap, a minimal configuration would have 48 terabytes of disk. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter samplerate
I use a database server (power6) with 1Tb main storage. ;) Blades, as you say: A single OS (AIX) with about 10-15 virtual (variable resources') hosts. We're reaaally OT, now... -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57631 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: still improving the sb classic�s sound quality
I think you'd better post this in the diy section, you'll get more answers. -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57927 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
