Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bedrom headphones system
I have a Beresford TC-7520 DAC and the headamp in it drives my AKG K701 pretty good. Might be something to try. -- Uluen SYSTEM: MUSIC - EARS http://www.last.fm/user/Uluen Uluen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12166 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73217 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
Daverz;500974 Wrote: Why are you taking the time to yell at us? We are only audiophiles, for FSM sake! The thread has gone on for nearly 2 months now, and just keeps going round in circles. And it goes round in circles for the same reason - someone makes a claim and then fails to provide any proof. Any evidence provided by other forum members that is contrary to the claim is ignored. Daverz;500974 Wrote: Why does it bother you that some folks may not be entirely happy with the sound from their Squeezeboxen? It doesn't bother me. I use an external DAC on my SB3. So as you see, I'm not entirely happy with my Squeezebox's sound. I am happy with the DAC in tow. Daverz;500974 Wrote: Perhaps you are too emotionally invested in these little black boxes. Nope - although I still think they're a great way to play my digital music collection. Daverz;500974 Wrote: Joking aside, and however skeptical I am, it does bother me a that there -might- be some real effect here that is degrading sound quality. I believe that a decent DAC should only care that the bits are delivered to it in order and in a timely fashion, and audiophile fussing about this annoys me, but I don't know enough to be able to dismiss the paranoia completely. Audiophile fussing got to me, as you're aware. I've had similar concerns once before - I went from one version of server to another, and the sound quality went from excellent to dreadful. I also posted on this section of the forum to see if anyone else had experienced the same issues. My problems were sorted out by an uninstal, registry cleanup, and totally clean reinstal. Since then I've not encountered any problems or noticed any audible differences when switching from one version to another. I also cannot hear any differences between wav and flac files. I have played around unpacking flacs to wavs and packing wavs up to flacs and listening to them - I'm buggered if I can detect any differences. So I fall into the very contented camp. Anyway, that's enough of this; may I take this opportunity to wish you all a very Happy New Year. Chris:) -- Stratmangler Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
Stratmangler;501026 Wrote: The thread has gone on for nearly 2 months now, and just keeps going round in circles. And it goes round in circles for the same reason - someone makes a claim and then fails to provide any proof. Any evidence provided by other forum members that is contrary to the claim is ignored. I do provide the proof, as I could, they ask me a DBT I did, I could not provide any other proof. If You don't trust me, sorry, I've no way to convince you, and realy I'm not intrested in. All the other evidence provvided - indeed are useful and sometime very intresting, i..e the one Phil gave to me, ARE NOT definitive at all. I agree it should be not like that, that is unlikely, that many people could not ear any difference and so on, but those are definetly no proof at all that I (and few others) could ear it. Sorry about that, but logic has it's own roles... So, please, moderate yourself, I don't need your apreciation, but I've never autorized you to shame me this way. p.s. What about fly a Kite...? Have a good - and cool - 2010. Marco -- marcoc1712 SB+, Klimo Merlino + Kent Gold, Monitor Audio Studio 20 Gold SE+, Klimo reference and DIS Interconnect. marcoc1712's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34842 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
For what it's worth, I don't even find it that distracting, unless the noise level is really high. Analog noise is generally easy to ignore. Maybe that's because I'm so used to vinyl, which is what I listen to most of the time. I'd MUCH rather listen to an original pressing of some old jazz album, with even a good deal of surface noise, than listen to a pristine recent pressing. You just lose so much resolution due to tape age. -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s rgheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25803 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
deadushka;500764 Wrote: To Marco I'll describe the whole chain of upgrades. 1) SqueezeBox (the one that looks like the bedside clock) - analogue output directly into Parasound A21 power amp + a pair of NHT 2.5i. Can't recall what version of server was running. The sound - racey, dynamic, untidy. Best suited for the likes of AC/DC. 2) SqueezeBox - Audio Alchemy DAC-in-the-Box + Power Station - Parasound A21 power amp + a pair of NHT 2.5i. Can't recall what version of server was running. The sound - racey, dynamic. A definite improvement, more accurate sound, but the general character of sound is the same as in previous setup. Reminds of analogue gear. 3) Duet - Audio Alchemy DAC-in-the-Box + Power Station - Parasound A21 power amp + a pair of NHT 2.5i. Can't recall what version of server was running because I didn't realize that was important. The sound - totally different from previous setup (to my surprise, because I bought it because of the controller). It's like you've made $10K upgrade. I've heard a very similar sound from a system costing in excess of $25K (VTL tube monoblocks + Vandersteen 3ce + Esoteric CD + DAC) only mine had a insignificant trade-offs in mid and overwhelming advantage in bass. This is funny because I thought the digital signal from SB/receiver should be the same. Obviously I was wrong. Some processing is being done internally in the SB/receiver. There needn't be any digital processing for you to hear a difference. The issue is likely the amount of jitter in the output signal. It wouldn't be a great shock if the newer Receiver had lower jitter. And that can make a HUGE difference. -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s rgheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25803 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
Stratmangler;501026 Wrote: I also cannot hear any differences between wav and flac files. I have played around unpacking flacs to wavs and packing wavs up to flacs and listening to them - I'm buggered if I can detect any differences. I haven't tried any such test, but I am puzzled why anyone would be puzzled about why there COULD be such a difference. The answer, in the digital world, is always jitter. More processing has to be done to decode the FLAC file than to play the WAV, and it's easy to see in principle how that could lead to higher jitter, even to signal-correlated jitter (the worst), or to various sorts of nasties getting into the power supply, or who knows what. In principle, it could even be the other way around. You can imagine some device that buffers the output when decoding FLAC but not when streaming WAV, and that could lead to better timing on output. Whether any of that is in fact going on here, I have no idea. But I do know that the digital outputs on the Transporter are VASTLY superior to those on the Receiver. I'd have been perfectly happy to spend less money on the latter and spend the difference on a new cartridge (say), but the improvement with the Transporter difference was sufficient to justify the additional expense. -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s rgheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25803 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
If you want to hear incredible LPs, try to find some Direct-To-Disc recordings. These are recorded live in the studio IN ONE TAKE, and the microphone feed is sent directly to the cutting head of the LP master. I had lots of D2D jazz LPs. Even had one released by Radio Shack on red vinyl that sounded incredible. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
Yeah, those can sound great. But the selection of music is pretty limited! -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Receiver -- T-Amp -- Monitor Audio Radius 90s Receiver -- Sony HT Receiver (Garbage) -- Monitor Audio Raduis HT Setup SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II with 768MB RAM, 1.5TB storage, running Centos 5.x rgheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25803 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] I have a question re: AIFF and/or WAV files
If I have created a 24 bit aiff or wav file from a 24/96 flac file, will Transporter play them at full resolution. I have this problem because I use itunes on a Mac to manage my music and I have over time created duplicate lossy compressed files for use on ipods. Therefore, if I just tell Slim Sever to use my music files instead of the itunes library it finds the multiple copies of songs. This could be fixed but it would be some work. But If I take a 24/96 flac file and run it through Max to create 24 bit AIFF or WAV files that would seem to solve the problem. Yes or no? Thanks for your help on this one I can't quite seem to find this in any previous threads. -- rplert Randy Lert Linn LP12, Transporter, Linn Sondek CD12, Ayre C5xe, VTL 7.5 Reference Line Stage, Ayre P5xe phone stage, Ayre V1 amplifer, Vandersteen 5A speakers rplert's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8358 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73396 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is my logic correct here? Arcam DAC vs. CI AUDIO
darthkringle;499867 Wrote: The CI AUDIO Dac was receiving the Optical, and the Arcam was receiving the Spdif. Thanks for any further thoughts. Optical is S/PDIF as well as coax. Try listening a different way: give yourself an entire week with the CIAudio using it's coax input. Get a feel for it. Move your speakers (if possible) to maximize the soundstage. Learn how it sounds. Then, next week, plug the coax into your Arcam and give it a few days. You may realize in the first day that you can't go back to the CI Audio or that you can't live without it. (In my case, my Transporter is running thru the CI Audio VDA2 with VAC1 PS.) -- kphinney -I like it, you may not. I understand and respect that.- kphinney's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73099 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
rgheck;501235 Wrote: More processing has to be done to decode the FLAC file than to play the WAV, and it's easy to see in principle how that could lead to higher jitter, even to signal-correlated jitter (the worst), or to various sorts of nasties getting into the power supply, or who knows what. Transcoding is asynchronous and does NOT execute as a music stream : merely as a data file. Why would you think that such a thing as jitter exists in a computer program ? -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Cyrus 8xp - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
rgheck;501235 Wrote: it's easy to see in principle how that could lead to higher jitter, even to signal-correlated jitter (the worst), Since its easy, could you explain exactly how? (Bear in mind that decoding of flac to wav is not at all related to timing) -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Bedrom headphones system
As a Grado headphone enthusiast myself, I found the SB3 headphone out *very* underwhelming, as in, unacceptable. I got a Creek OBH-21 and even got the upgraded power supply, which made it a hefty upgrade. They also offer the OBH-11 and I am sure the regular power supply is entirely sufficient to make it a very nice upgrade. -- pablolie ...pablo Server: Shuttle X27D - Ubuntu 8.04LTS - SBS 7.4.1 Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Duet (1), Accuphase DP65v CD Amplifier: Accuphase E306v - Creek OBH21/22 Loudspeakers: Ceeroy 3-way tower (tuned) - Audioengine 5/S8 - Acoustic Energy Aego M Headphones: Grado SR-1 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73217 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Sound quality between wav and flac
bhaagensen;501405 Wrote: Since its easy, could you explain exactly how? (Bear in mind that decoding of flac to wav is not at all related to timing.) I wasn't talking about the decoding. I was talking about the digital signal that is eventually passed to the DAC. There's jitter there, of course. And, in principle, how much there is, and how correlated it is with the signal, could be affected by the flac to wav conversion (which is happening in the unit, not on the server), for example, by noise generated by that conversion or power supply fluctuations due to just about anything you please. Whether it IS affected by such things is not for me to say. Nor is it for me to say whether, given the particular design of the SB or Receiver or Transporter circuits, it CAN be affected in any particular one of those cases, since I don't know anything about those designs. My point is simply that, in principle, there is no reason to think no such thing CAN happen. To say otherwise is to put a bit too much faith in theory and to forget the limitations of any particular implementation. -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Receiver -- T-Amp -- Monitor Audio Radius 90s Receiver -- Sony HT Receiver (Garbage) -- Monitor Audio Raduis HT Setup SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II with 768MB RAM, 1.5TB storage, running Centos 5.x rgheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25803 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71321 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
