Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Phil Leigh;602965 Wrote: > OK - attached files fix iplayer listen again - but listen live is a > mystery to me! Hmm - big thanks for looking into this and creating the 2 new files, which I installed and then rebooted the PC. Sadly InguzDSP.exe never ran again! The EQ user interface seems to work normally but no EQ sound processing. I reinstalled the original plugin.pm and custom-convert.conf from 3jan2011 and still no joy. There seem to be a bunch of errors in server.log which unfort make no sense to me at all. Any ideas? I am running SBS 7.5.1 on Win7. Oddly no new files seem to be being created in C:\Users\All Users\InguzEQ\Temp. +---+ |Filename: server.log | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11196| +---+ -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
On 20/01/11 19:50, magiccarpetride wrote: > > Wombat;603984 Wrote: >> Please stop here. This is getting plain stupid. > > I see I hit the nerve. It happens... No, you wrote a load of crap, as usual. R. -- "Feed that ego and you starve the soul" - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New to the sound stage, looking for some help to get started
Hiya Audiophiles, I need some help getting started with a new cheap but yet very good quality 2.0 "Hifi system". For starters I just want two simple speakers with good sound reproduction. At the moment I got a SB Touch and I've been using Sennheiser HD595 for listning to my FLAC albums. Now the time has come to upgrade to a bit more than mere headphones. I am looking for getting an amp and some speakers, either new or second hand. I've been thinking about getting a T-amp, but I am a bit puzzled for when it comes to the speakers. I don't want to be spending more than £80 for the speakers as I plan to build a full surround set and use these for rear or front later on. Some input on the matter would be much appreciated:> -- zoqi zoqi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43008 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84941 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
Phil Leigh;603614 Wrote: > There's less noise on the Touch s/pdif connection due to its different > circuit. That helps (with all DAC's). If you think that really does matter, than use toslink. -- Griffin Griffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - >=1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
It seems the length which every camp might find acceptable is 1.5m. What about optical cables - is length significant and why? I hear glass is better than plastic...any comments? So, coax versus optical on the SB Touch - does anyone have any comments? Regards, Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
Phil Leigh;603991 Wrote: > > it's a personal taste thing. > I agree. What isn't subjective is the definition of a transparent and accurate DAC. Assuming the ADC is transparent and accurate (and studios do prefer equipment that is) a transparent DAC will reproduce the electrical signal that went into the ADC as closely as possible. It won't add any flavour. This may sound unmusical or uninvolving to some ears, which is where taste comes in. Personally, I like transparent for long term listening but I say live and let live. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
stop-spinning;603944 Wrote: > Wow, looks like I really don't need to worry about the quality of > transport or SPDIF as long as the DAC can recover the clock! Guess I > better find that right DAC but preferrably under £500 (in the UK). > > It seems as if now that none of the SB's should be chosen based on > Audiophile performance - because that's the DACs job (along with the > amp and speakers of course)! > > There are other contenders out there such as the Sonos, Cambridge > Audio's soon to be released NP30, and a Consonance Chi-Fi alternative, > Linn's Sneaky, or even a laptop PC (but I believe the internals are > noisy). However you SB fans have your reason for choosing this brand of > streamer no doubt - I guess based on price (if you ignore the > Transporter) - and hopefully musicality. All the alternatives are much more expensive. Also, you won't get a jitter-immune DAC for much less than £1,000. Finally, even into a high-quality DAC IT STILL PAYS to use the cleanest transport you can and that definitely means the Touch (assuming TP is out of reach - and actually I seriously believe the Touch can equal the TP as a transport). The Benchmark is a good design but not everyone likes the sound - it's a personal taste thing. You shouldn't buy a DAC based purely on specs or reviews just like speakers... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
Wombat;603984 Wrote: > Please stop here. This is getting plain stupid. I see I hit the nerve. It happens... -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
magiccarpetride;603946 Wrote: > The main point, however, is to work on one's own self-esteem. Please stop here. This is getting plain stupid. -- Wombat Transporter -> RG142 -> Avantgarde based monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
opaqueice;603836 Wrote: > I, for example, would be willing to be bet a large sum of money that not > one of the posters in this thread could hear the difference blind > between a touch, duet, or SB3 classic going into my DAC (a Benchmark > DAC1). > > You'll be just as hi-fi with a duet as with a touch or a transporter if > you run into a decent DAC. It's a question of what you like and what > you feel comfortable with, not sound quality. The presence/absence of discernible differences between various components/formats etc. is an interesting debate. A similar debate rages on in the video circles. There are 'experts' who claim that any and all perceived differences in the picture clarity between blu ray (a high definition format) and DVD (a mid definition format) are based merely on the expectation bias. Same argument goes for the perceived differences between 720p screen resolution and 1080p screen resolution. Apparently, tests reveal that people are incapable of identifying if the video playing before their eyes is on blu ray or on DVD, or if it's at 720p or at 1080p resolution. Each camp will always have its advocates. The main point, however, is to work on one's own self-esteem. The only reason any person ever purchases a component such as a CD player or a digital streaming player (Duet, Touch, Transporter, etc.) is to enhance the enjoyment of listening to music. If the component you've purchased doesn't do that, it's worthless, regardless of how many rave reviews it had garnered. You should therefore promptly return it and get a refund. And conversely, if the component you've purchased is giving you enhanced pleasure from listening to music, then it was a worthwhile acquisition for you, regardless of how many 'experts' claim that it's not really capable of making any noticeable difference. If, however, you suffer from low self-esteem, you'll be at the mercy of the winds of propaganda. In which case, we all feel sorry for you:( -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
opaqueice;603901 Wrote: > A $20 DVD player over a $2 cable will give you a digital stream that's > easily good enough to recover the bits with perfect accuracy. Wow, looks like I really don't need to worry about the quality of transport or SPDIF as long as the DAC can recover the clock! Guess I better find that right DAC but preferrably under £500 (in the UK). It seems as if now that none of the SB's should be chosen based on Audiophile performance - because that's the DACs job (along with the amp and speakers of course)! There are other contenders out there such as the Sonos, Cambridge Audio's soon to be released NP30, and a Consonance Chi-Fi alternative, Linn's Sneaky, or even a laptop PC (but I believe the internals are noisy). However you SB fans have your reason for choosing this brand of streamer no doubt - I guess based on price (if you ignore the Transporter) - and hopefully musicality. -- stop-spinning stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S-Booster
As this thread is about improved SB power supplies I thought this might be of interest to some...I've also added a new thread on the Duet forum so sorry for the duplication :) This will only be of use to receiver users in the UK... Maplins have got a deal on till this coming Tuesday, a 20W regulated linear variable voltage PSU for £12, will do 9V (no 5V unfortunately so that rules out the Touch and SB3 unfortunately) as required for the receiver; http://www.maplin.co.uk/ac-dc-multi-...r-supply-32754 Just fitted mine with very pleasing results, a cleaner more detailed sound!!! I'm using one as a feed to my main DAC, and another as DAC itself, both systems show improvements... -- WAD62 Cheers Will WAD62's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38506 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=81454 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
opaqueice;603901 Wrote: > A $20 DVD player over a $2 cable will give you a digital stream that's > easily good enough to recover the bits with perfect accuracy. I know > that for a fact, because I've ripped hundreds of disks on a cheap > DVD-ROM drive, and all 6 billion bits or so came through correctly on > nearly all the unscratched ones. So unless your source or cable is > malfunctioning, there's no issue with bit accuracy. > > Therefore the only potential difference is clock recovery. The bits > arrive at certain times (variations in those times are called jitter), > and if you're interested in converting them into music played in real > time (rather than saving them to a hard disk), you have to base your > clock on them. But if the bit arrival times are jittery, that will > introduce distortion. > > So one way in which DACs differ is how they deal with that issue. The > Benchmark deals with it in a way that evidently renders it completely > immune to input jitter. You can find details on the algorithm they use > on the web if you're interested. http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/dac/dac1-series-overview -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
stop-spinning;603891 Wrote: > I find that interesting... why do some DACs give a damn and others not? > What are the ingredients in a DAC that makes it less fussy with its > connection? Is it something to do with buffering, or re-clocking? A $20 DVD player over a $2 cable will give you a digital stream that's easily good enough to recover the bits with perfect accuracy. I know that for a fact, because I've ripped hundreds of disks on a cheap DVD-ROM drive, and all 6 billion bits or so came through correctly on nearly all the unscratched ones. So unless your source or cable is malfunctioning, there's no issue with bit accuracy. Therefore the only potential difference is clock recovery. The bits arrive at certain times (variations in those times are called jitter), and if you're interested in converting them into music played in real time (rather than saving them to a hard disk), you have to base your clock on them. But if the bit arrival times are jittery, that will introduce distortion. So one way in which DACs differ is how they deal with that issue. The Benchmark deals with it in a way that evidently renders it completely immune to input jitter. You can find details on the algorithm they use on the web if you're interested. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox
The Benchmark in particular does not give a damn how bad the incoming interface jitter is.[/QUOTE Wrote: > > > I find that interesting... why do some DACs give a damn and others not? > What are the ingredients in a DAC that makes it less fussy with its > connection? Is it something to do with buffering, or re-clocking? Is > this why the Benchmark DAC is so popular here because it compensates > for a poor incoming link somehow (not that any of the SBs are poor - > but in theory). And of course that may help with the choice of cable > between the two if the DAC is not fussy, you can perhaps spend a lot > less on cable (you can spend silly money on cables). -- stop-spinning stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BBC iPlayer, sound quality
I've listened a little bit to Radio 6 Music. In addition to the over-compressing on everything, the host's voice 'ducks' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducking) the music, which wouldn't be so bad if the attack and decay weren't so fast, or if the host didn't talk so much during the songs. As it is, I've stopped listening to Radio 6, despite their apparently good taste in music. It's unlistenable to me, even on the tiny SB Radio. -Knock, knock, knocking o... *WE JUST HEARD* ... door Kno... *THE CLASSIC SONG* ... cking on heavens ... *BY BOB* ... Knock, knock, knocking on heav ... *DYLAN* ... r Knock ... *WHO RECENTLY RELEASED* ... heaven's ...*A NEW ALBUM* ... oor- Aaargh, I can't stand it!!! Luckily, I've got my FLACs. :) -- Soulkeeper -that is not dead which can eternal lie. and with strange aeons even death may die.- touch + duet + boom + radio / wrt160n/dd-wrt / sbs 7.5.1 or higher/win7(32b)/avira free Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84790 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BBC iPlayer, sound quality
rbl;603858 Wrote: > Sure - but I don't expect the BBC to sounds better than CD, I just don't > expect it to sound dramatically worse than (an already bad) CD as it > does on BBC1,2. Radio 2 on FM doesn't sound too bad most of the time. It helps that the music they play (unlike R1) is mostly older and thus less compressed to begin with. Unfortunately, the BBC still seem to be over-compressing their FM broadcasts as part of their (futile) love affair with DAB. Radio 3 is still the best quality available. the iPlayer streams are nowhere near as good as the FM feed I get from my tuner. They are however, reasonably listenable (except R1) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84790 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BBC iPlayer, sound quality
Sure - but I don't expect the BBC to sounds better than CD, I just don't expect it to sound dramatically worse than (an already bad) CD as it does on BBC1,2. -- rbl rbl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4517 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84790 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Does Server-side FLAC-PCM conversion DOWNSAMPLE 24bit/96khz
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