[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Objectivist question: DAC with highest resolution? (lowest noise floor...)

2011-11-29 Thread Archimago

Was looking at the Transporter review and measurements by John Atkinson
recently online and noticed that the measured resolution of the
Transporter was about 20-bits. Amazing - certainly among the best
they've ever documented!

Wondering what is the highest resolution DAC you've ever seen
*measured* using a methodology like that in Stereophile (in room
temperature, LOL)?


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[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Musical Fidelity M1 DAC V Rega DAC

2011-11-29 Thread tank121

Well my home trial with the Rega finishes on Thursday and so far my two
friends who have done some a/b testing for me have picked out
instruments that they didn't know existed on tracks.

Both of them have expressed it's not a night/day difference between the
stock DAC but is noticeable.

Has anyone auditioned both the Rega DAC & the MF M1 Dac with the Touh
?

Anyone currently using the MF M1 Dac with the Touch ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical (toslink) connection

2011-11-29 Thread steveinaz

guidof;673467 Wrote: 
> If one would like to keep the Toslink neutrality but avoid any perceived
> sterility, I might suggest trying different interconnects on the analog
> end of things and playing around with speakers positioning and
> subwoofer (if any) settings. 
> 
> Guido F.

Absolutely, fine tuning could be accomplished with cables, or various
other means. If I didn't have to use the 1 toslink I have for my HDTV
receiver, I'd be using it for my transport. I like the interface,
especially with Sonic Wave quartz glass fiber.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-29 Thread evdplancke

Just for info, Win 7 Pro offers Qos policy settings that are not
available in Home Premium. Might be useful to prioritize streaming
packets tough I don't know if this may have any incidence on SQ. Might
be worth testing it.

Sent from my GT-S5830 using Tapatalk


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-11-29 Thread guidof

cymbop;673439 Wrote: 
> Does anyone recall the 2.0 command to turn the screen on after it's been
> killed?  A summary of the commands I know is below:

Just do a reboot (One to three seconds push on the power button; longer
push will restore factory settings)

Guido F.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical (toslink) connection

2011-11-29 Thread guidof

steveinaz;673458 Wrote: 
> 
> I think a lot of the negativity around Toslink is unfounded. I find it
> to be quite nice, especially the smoothness in treble. It IS very
> neutral however---almost sterile. 

I fully agree that the conventional negative view of Toslink is
generally unfounded.

In my experience, as in yours, switching from coax to Toslink has
resulted in a more neutral presentation, which I much prefer over an
euphonic one. To my ears, it does not sound sterile, but I'm sure it
can be with some other equipment and in some rooms. 

If one would like to keep the Toslink neutrality but avoid any
perceived sterility, I might suggest trying different interconnects on
the analog end of things and playing around with speakers positioning
and subwoofer (if any) settings. 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical (toslink) connection

2011-11-29 Thread artintampa

I experienced a huge difference in the sound.  I am not sure if it's the
quality of the optical being lousy or the coax being extremely good but
myself and two sons all three unanimously agree that the optical
sounded flatter and very uninviting.  It was years ago and havent
experimented with it since.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread michael123

amcluesent;673000 Wrote: 
> Probably only of interest to Transporter owners...

So you take Transporter as crazy expensive and unjustified its price
tag?
Is 1200$ for you too much for high-end audio streamer?

What do you find in the 'audiophile' section then?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optical (toslink) connection

2011-11-29 Thread steveinaz

adamdea;670941 Wrote: 
> Interesting.
> Mind you, do you know your findings would be a tremendous
> disappointment to the designers of your Dac, who are quite insistent
> that it is entirely immune to jitter.

Yeah, Benchmark also claims transports won't sound different--they're
wrong on that count too.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread Mnyb

garym;673442 Wrote: 
> And if you can't hear the night and day difference, your equipment is
> just not discriminating enough.

yeh I know my hifi is best used as landfill must get some set-amps so I
can hear the differences...

It's extra funny when yeatersyears noisy and distorting tech is touted
as "resolving" with inner detail...

It can be self fullfilling mucho bizarre equipment is probably so badly
designed and unstable some tweaks makes a difference for real :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread garym

Mnyb;673438 Wrote: 
> there must be a rule here .
> 
> make a claim, just invent something rigth now , just spread the word
> that this does or does not change the sound and you will have a bunch
> of people on forums persistently telling you that it absolutely makes a
> difference that it is abvoius and anyone can hear it.
> 
> wonder which kind of tags that have the best sound or if I should
> remove my tags ;) utf8 or utf16 chars migth load the cpu differently ?

And if you can't hear the night and day difference, your equipment is
just not discriminating enough.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread Mnyb

there must be a rule here .

make a claim, just invent something rigth now , just spread the word
that this does or does not change the sound and you will have a bunch
of people on forums persistently telling you that it absolutely makes a
difference that it is abvoius and anyone can hear it.

wonder which kind of tags that have the best sound or if I should
remove my tags ;) utf8 or utf16 chars migth load the cpu differently ?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-11-29 Thread cymbop

Does anyone recall the 2.0 command to turn the screen on after it's been
killed?  A summary of the commands I know is below:

> -unpack tar file: tar xvf touchtoolbox2.0.tar
> -Initialize the Toolbox: ttinit
> -status tool: ttstat
> -buffer setting: ttbuffer 
> -output tuning:
> 
> 1. for activating the digital output only, type:
> ttout -d
> 2. for analog out only
> ttout -a
> 3. for usb out only
> ttout -u
> 4. for default status - all outputs on
> ttout -n
> 
> -WLAN modification: tt --wlan
> -Screen-Off modification: ttscreen
>


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 2.0

2011-11-29 Thread cymbop

Jacky, Toolbox 2.0 can be downloaded in section 3.3 of Soundcheck's
installation instructions for 3.0.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread alfista

Speaking of sprays, the audiophile running their SB wireless might want
to see if http://j-walk.com/other/wifispray/index.htm has any
noticeable effect.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Teflon tape

2011-11-29 Thread Mnyb

Sigh , a faulty conector just jiggle it a bit as a fix before replacing
it if the contact presure is enogh it works .

don't forget to oil your fuse box with some of peter w belts
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread Mnyb

seriusly power cords for peanuts use shielded and possibly twisted cable
done.
No I don't hear any difference , but it's a good practice innthe cable
rat nest I have...

many botique cables don't have that basics done rigth either go figure
..

a fancy sock outside of it or polished silver plated copper comes
before basic shielding.

More cargo cult science to the believers :)

Why is it that these fools swallow completely unbeliavable pseudo
science BS that these companies makes up in thier " research" .

But utterly distrust real science who makes far more modest claims
,that also can be indepently verified from multiple sources...

Wonder if Nordost ECO3 spray goes well with Jeltsin bag in box vodka :)
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread pippin

alfista;673376 Wrote: 
> 
> Maybe one shouldn't mock this stuff though, spending money (even
> absolutely obscene amounts as in this case) on a power cord does in
> some sad way make more sense than spending them on "audio grade" USB
> cables or hard drives.

No it does not. Both make 0 sense, no difference.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Teflon tape

2011-11-29 Thread pippin

lower resistance at the power plug would lead to higher, not lower
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Teflon tape

2011-11-29 Thread regalma1

I read one forum where a guy tried this. He measured the current draw of
the system with and with out the tape. It was actually a bit lower with
the tape. I passed it on to one of the design engineers here who is a
skeptic but has an audiophile friend, so is a bit sympathetic. Here is
his response:

That sounds like it's out of left field. Maybe the compressed teflon is
damping microphonic vibrations in the plug leading to a consistent
nonvibrating contact with overall lower DC resistance (hence lower
current draw).

Less vibrations would seem to imply less noise as well.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can old speakers be repaired?

2011-11-29 Thread Nojelc

OK, I decided to take a good look at the M's first, did a thorough
external check initially and discovered that my wife had put her sewing
kit on top of one - duh, fancy not noticing that! - kit removed problem
solved.

Castle's still faulty and I have swapped leads over and it is that
speaker. So when I have the time I will try taking it apart. OK I will
not skip it - promise!


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread Mnyb

He he stability a large flywheel on the generator very large and wide
diameter. The an electric motor-flywheel-generator setup would suffice
;)
No combustion motors needed

10m diameter 100 metric tones of tungsten of course suspended in
vacuum, the wind drag on the flywheel could cause problems ..
(even more OT one of my customers have a vacuum chamber for balancing
of gas turbine and steam turbine wheels) 

You can have a whole chain of generators at the drive shaft for
different ac and dc voltages why not generate the 600v or 1kV dc some
tubes needs from a rotating machine

Actually one of my friends has an old us army dynamotor  a portable
generator you can drive with a truck battery to make high voltage for
radio equipment , the thing looks WW2 to me :)


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread garym

alfista;673376 Wrote: 
> Maybe one shouldn't mock this stuff though, spending money (even
> absolutely obscene amounts as in this case) on a power cord does in
> some sad way make more sense than spending them on "audio grade" USB
> cables or hard drives.

Or another thread where a user is trying to decide whether there is
better sound quality from using windows pro, vista, or XP. sigh


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0

2011-11-29 Thread Sajk

soundcheck;673337 Wrote: 
> I doubt that there is a difference between packages.
> 
> You choose 64 bit on a 64bit capable platform.
> 
> More improtant is  that you apply e.g. TCPoptimizer.
> 
> Make sure that your MBO ethernet driver and all the other drivers 
> are up2date.
> 
> Cheers

Thank you for reply!

I am planning to use a 64bit capable platform, so could use either of
operation systems. I will use TCP Optimizer, Fidelizer and the lastest
drivers as well.

If somebody hear a difference between Windows 7 editions please let me
know.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my SQ

2011-11-29 Thread garym

You are better off running a server over internal touch for lots of
reasons independent of DAC or tt mods.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Improve my SQ

2011-11-29 Thread tank121

You may have seen my other posts about me currently having a Rega Dac
(£498) on home trial.

My dilema is this, I'm using different friends to do some a/b
comparisons and so far they noticed differences with the track played
using the onboard and external dacs.

However, would it be more beneficial to purchase the silent Shuttle sff
PC to run the server software with Soundcheck 3.0 mods ?

I could then either purchase a cheaper DAC Matrix Mini I or a 2nd hand
Arcam RDAC.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] $30, 000 audio power cable introduced

2011-11-29 Thread alfista

mlsstl;673178 Wrote: 
> I'd also point out that such a person could also buy their own
> 20,000-plus watt generator and have it installed in the yard away from
> their house and provide themselves a dedicated power source completely
> isolated from the mains.
I would expect nothing less from anyone serious about their system.
However, there are several factors that must be carefully considered.
This has to be an audiophile grade generator with windings from copper
cured for +500 hours in a bath of meticulously temperature controlled
vintage crude oil at ridiculous pressure. Also, a precision generator
must not be powered by any run of the mill diesel engine (engines with
harmonic dampers are particularly ill suited for audio purposes, but
that goes without saying I guess), actually any piston engine is likely
to have too much torsional vibrations resulting in overtones in the
output of the generator. Japanese audiophiles swear by Mazda rotary
engines but recent listening tests with gas turbines from General
Electric running at a speed tuned to an odd multiple of the crossover
frequency of the speakers gave favorable results. It wasn't a blind
test though, the leaves flying off the trees outside the window was a
bit of a giveaway. Next is the choice of fuel, naturally there may be
no additives that may affect the imaging or contaminate the high range
the way ordinary cheap jet fuel would. Medical grade ethanol is
preferred by many for it's neutral tone, while a 24 year single malt is
popular for the noticably warmer glow it gives to the tube amps and you
will also enjoy a slightly smoother sound from your vinyl records.
Sadly, the whole idea of running your own generator falls over since
there is no economically feasible method of supplying enough air of the
quality required. Normal outside air varies wildly when it comes to
temperature, humidity, pressure and oxygen isotope ratio, not to
mention the sonically detrimental effects of certain pollen types. So
far, listening tests has been constricted to 5 minute sessions, nobody
has been able to provide more processed air of the necessary grade to
run the gas turbine for longer periods than that. If you live in a
rural area and has a less revealing system you may get away with using
outside air during the month of october.

Maybe one shouldn't mock this stuff though, spending money (even
absolutely obscene amounts as in this case) on a power cord does in
some sad way make more sense than spending them on "audio grade" USB
cables or hard drives.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Newbie Cable Advice

2011-11-29 Thread Howard Turkster

I bought Blue Jeans cables too when I first started because they are
what everyone recommeneded. 

These have been easily bested by several other cables I have tried
since, not the least which has been the VH Audio Spectrums I'm using
now.


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*Soft mods*: SC TT 2.0  + Dynaudio's mods
*Components*: Squeezebox Touch (analog outs) - Rega Mira 3 - Boston
Acoustics VR2s - Rel T2 sub, D-Link hub between touch & server
*Cables*: VH Audio Spectrum (Cu) RCAs, Chord Rumour speaker wire,
custom neutrik speakon cable (sub)
*Power*: Touch stock power supply with SBooster filter
VH Audio Flavor 4 power cable x2 (amp and sub)
stock DLink power supply
Porter A/C Ports
*Server*: Squeezebox server on Windows 7, Core2duo

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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Worst sounding album in your collection

2011-11-29 Thread TiredLegs

AndrewFG;673238 Wrote: 
> Interesting. An audiophile friend once told me that were different
> releases of this disc (and also of Love Over Gold) and that some are
> considered to be world class, whereas others definitely not.
> 
> My discs are pre- Jurassic "Made in W. Germany by PolyGram" -- anyone
> remember that company? anyone remember that country? -- and they both
> sound great. 
> 
> { serial numbers: Love Over Gold 800088-2 and Brothers in Arms 824499-2
> }
My version of Brothers In Arms is 925264-2, which was made in Japan,
and it sounds pretty good. Although I wouldn't quite classify it as
audiophile caliber, it's certainly not among the worst sounding albums
I've got. Brothers In Arms was originally released in 1985, making it
an early rock album that was "a full digital recording". Perhaps they
had several different masterings.


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