Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
TheOctavist;688724 Wrote: so it does all that room correction and whatnot? so to be clear, everything I need to get my room sorted (at least in the digital domain) is in Inguz? In theory yes, but some ofus have found that it is better to ignore the measurement part of Inguz and use something more advanced/ powerful for that - I use Audilense to do the measurements and Inguz at playback time to do the convolution. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter poll: Sharp roll-off or Slow roll-off?
OK, so the new firmware has been released for a few months now with this option for Transporter users. Which do you use? Do you notice a significant difference? Personally, I'm currently still on the sharp filter and experimenting with the Behringer DEQ-2496. -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter poll: Sharp roll-off or Slow roll-off?
How's it configured? -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger' (http://www.ubuntugeek.com/linux-finally-gets-a-great-audio-tagger.html): 'puddletag' (http://puddletag.sourceforge.net/)* audiomuze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33613 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I have set up Windows 8 developers preview along side Windows 7 and it is absolutely stunning in terms of sound quality, everything I was trying to get with Win 7 is there straight out of the box with Win 8, beautiful balance, tone, soundstage, depth, timing, feels like you can reach into the music, fantastic, never heard anything so good. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
use windows 8, fantastic. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Microsoft should publish a Windows 7 Optimal Audio Edition optimized for audio. Price tag around US $3000. Because if it were less then US $1000 a real audiophile would think it is to cheap. -- Hofstede Hofstede's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29832 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
I think this must mean that Microsoft are working to different laws of physics/science than you guys, I think I'll trust Microsoft's view of the world over your homespun dogma, no offence meant. I look forward to the denials that Win 8 doesn't make a difference. Struth. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688768 Wrote: I think this must mean that Microsoft are working to different laws of physics/science than you guys, I think I'll trust Microsoft's view of the world over your homespun dogma, no offence meant. I look forward to the denials that Win 8 doesn't make a difference. Struth. [X] Fruitcake [ ] Troll [ ] Other -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688768 Wrote: I think this must mean that Microsoft are working to different laws of physics/science than you guys, I think I'll trust Microsoft's view of the world over your homespun dogma, no offence meant. I look forward to the denials that Win 8 doesn't make a difference. Struth. Unless you can distinguish Windows 8 from other OS platforms in a blind listening test, your claims mean nothing. Struth. -- Ron Olsen Ron Olsen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
I think I might do just that. Now where's that green marker I used to use for my CDs ... I have some Windows installation DVDs that need to be audiophilized. -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797) Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Which settings should I use for word or excel ? they are just as involved in the output of my squeezebox as the asio drivers or soundcard -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Mnyb;688787 Wrote:
Which settings should I use for word or excel ? they are just as
involved in the output of my squeezebox as the asio drivers or
soundcard
For Excel try this in A2:
=SUMPRODUCT(--('Tick Sheet'!$Q$6:$Q$9663),--('Tick
Sheet'!$DG$6:$DG$9663=a)), works for me!
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] which TT setting causes the chipmunks
TheOctavist;688731 Wrote: gotya. so ill just enable analog. feck, what was that command again? tt -o 1 to enable analog only tt -o 0 to enable digital only -- rgro Rg System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Vortexbox Touch (wired) via optical Rega DAC LFD LE IV Signature amp VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305 sub. Home Theatre: Duet/SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.7.1 r33751 on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 2.0. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.7.1 r9558. Duet: FW 7.7.1 r9557. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93465 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
For Word, use Times New Roman size 11. No bold or italics, as they take up too much CPU power and cause the PSU to irregularly consume power, which in turn causes jitter on the mains (the worst kind of jitter). The other day, I noticed the UPS at work reported 51 Hz mains frequency, over the course of several minutes. My theory is that this was caused by too many people using bold, italics, underline and *shudder* colors in their Word documents. Needless to say, my PC's fan sounded terrible that day. -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797) Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
ferrites bought some at Maplins tried a clip on each end of the Ethernet cable, too much high end detail loss. Tried 1 on SBT end only, better, but still a loss of high end detail, so putting them on the signal cable is a no no for me. tried a clip-on on usb input, a clip-on on linear ps input to SBT and a ring each for laptop ps and external disk ps (3 or 4 turns). Don't know if usb input clip-on makes sense, but overall effect is nice. update - usb clip-on was taking too much high end detail away, so these are good for PS rfi control in my system, put extra clip-on on laptop PS. . -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Soulkeeper;688793 Wrote: For Word, use Times New Roman size 11. No bold or italics, as they take up too much CPU power and cause the PSU to irregularly consume power, which in turn causes jitter on the mains (the worst kind of jitter). The other day, I noticed the UPS at work reported 51 Hz mains frequency, over the course of several minutes. My theory is that this was caused by too many people using bold, italics, underline and *shudder* colors in their Word documents. Needless to say, my PC's fan sounded terrible that day. Edit to add: I've found a nice workaround for this problem, though. Install Access 97 and keep an open database running. When Access 97 goes into sleep mode after about 15 minutes of user inactivity, it starts using 100% CPU power. This saturation causes a consistent power consumption, eliminating the jitter effect. Of course this means that you can't use your computer, and that all fans run at full speed for cooling, but -the sound-... let me just put it this way: Blacker blacks, lifted veils. Bah, NTR, Arial 10 baby. Easily 10% less jitter. -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688802 Wrote: ferrites bought some at Maplins tried a clip on each end of the Ethernet cable, too much high end detail loss. Madness. You eliminate one of the few possible mechanisms by which the network can degrade the sound, and it actually gets worse?! It's all in your head. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
... and make sure to always use proportional spaced fonts otherwise the music will sound dreadfully unbalanced. Also I discovered that serif fonts add amazing and unheard detail to the music - just tried with Gould's Goldberg Variations: now I can clearly hear mordents and trills that I swear were impercetible before ... -- superbonham superbonham's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22540 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688802 Wrote: ferrites bought some at Maplins tried a clip on each end of the Ethernet cable, too much high end detail loss. Tried 1 on SBT end only, better, but still a loss of high end detail, so putting them on the signal cable is a no no for me. tried a clip-on on usb input, a clip-on on linear ps input to SBT and a ring each for laptop ps and external disk ps (3 or 4 turns). Don't know if usb input clip-on makes sense, but overall effect is nice. update - usb clip-on was taking too much high end detail away, so these are good for PS rfi control in my system, put extra clip-on on laptop PS. update - didn't like the effect the clip-on was having on the linear ps, again a sort of dampening effect. So now have a clip-on and 3 turn ring on the laptop ps and external disk ps leads, both post switchers, seems to have the desired effect. getting used to Win 8, apart from the bizarre 5 step process to shutdown, short cut is to click on the desktop and press alt-F4, but why change it in the first place !! Apart from that it is very quick, LMS navigation is very quick also. . I needed a good laugh this morning ! Thanks. -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
superbonham;688812 Wrote: ... and make sure to always use proportional spaced fonts otherwise the music will sound dreadfully unbalanced. Also I discovered that serif fonts add amazing and unheard detail to the music - just tried with Gould's Goldberg Variations: now I can clearly hear mordents and trills that I swear were impercetible before ... That's due to all the wonderful detail in the serifs (footies!) -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
at this rate, pretty soon SGBK will also be proclaiming that real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it enrages them. :D -- kakklank kakklank's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33849 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
No I don't have any way to record it unfortunately. I'm going to try and make time to run LMS from my laptop and we'll at least hopefully isolate this a little further. I'm still wondering whether this old IBM that I use solely for running LMS is causing the problems somehow. I mean, if this was a router problem surely mysqueezebox.com would be problematic too? Thanks for your help guys, we'll get this figured out -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
Run wired and pull the Ethernet cable during crackling If cracklng continues, your problem is not server or network related. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
chill;688810 Wrote: Madness. You eliminate one of the few possible mechanisms by which the network can degrade the sound, and it actually gets worse?! It's all in your head. I blame myself for this. The wormhole between universes has been breached -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;688824 Wrote: I blame myself for this. The wormhole between universes has been breached Don't be so hard on yourself, Phil. Ignorance is bliss and there are a LOT of happy people... Are you sure it's a wormhole that's involved? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
pski;688826 Wrote: Don't be so hard on yourself, Phil. Ignorance is bliss and there are a LOT of happy people... Are you sure it's a wormhole that's involved? :-) ... Perhaps that was a typo ;-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;688824 Wrote: I blame myself for this. I imagine Soundcheck does, too. :) -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
chill;688828 Wrote: I imagine Soundcheck does, too. :) Which would be deeply ironic... Since all of this server/Ethernet fiddling nonsense started during a 2 month period when I didn't even visit the forums -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
To MGC and SBGK. Could you please contribute positively to this thread by explaining what is your testing methology to evaluate the positive effects of your mods and reduce expectation bias. Otherwise, if you don't want to contribute to the topic of this thread, please stay away! Many thanks ;) -- evdplancke evdplancke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
pski;688813 Wrote: That's due to all the wonderful detail in the serifs (footies!) NO WAY! I say SANS SERIF boys and girls. That 'DETAIL' is just as artificial as the smile EQ. What you want is straight unadulterated audio. Pure unembellished direct-to-disk audio TRUTH that can only be achieved with the best hand built short pathway audio components soldered by some sensei in Japan. If you don't understand this, obviously you have not heard the Nirvana from outfits like 47 Labs. Sans serif friends, sans serif... -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
Also to the other contributors, this is not the place to discuss theory but to share practical experience of listening test methology. Thanks for contributing to the subject of this topic. -- evdplancke evdplancke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93380 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter poll: Sharp roll-off or Slow roll-off?
Under player and then audio. -- vett93 Main system: Source: Transporter, modded by ModWright: http://www.modwright.com/modifications/transporter-truth-mods.php Preamp: Dude from Tube Research Labs: http://www.tuberesearchlabs.com/products/dude.html Amp: NP100 Platinum from AltaVista Audio: http://www.altavistaaudio.com/np100.html Speakers: Alto Utopia Be from Focal-JMLab: http://www.focal.com/en/home-audio-loudspeakers/hifi-speakers/floorstanding-speakers/alto-utopia-be.php vett93's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13301 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93466 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Jeff Flowerday;682568 Wrote: Small update yesterday got me some new Focal speakers. SBT-Black Cat Veloce-Rega Dac-BJ interconnect-Krell 300si-Focal 836Ws Sure wanted the 1038be models for the beryllium tweeter, larger drivers and cab and better cross overs but can't justify 13k. Another upgrade, slightly bigger this time. I picked up an used SimAudio Moon Evolution 600i integrated. I've been trying the 340i and liked how it fit with the Focals better. 600i was too good of a deal to pass up and is a true dual mono. I'm stoked to get it hopefully this week. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
ralphpnj;680375 Wrote: My various audio systems: Big Rig: SB Transporter (balanced analog) - Sim Audio P-5002 pre amp - Sim Audio P-5 power amp - Vandersteen 3A Signatures with Vandersteen 2wq powered subwoofer Jeff Flowerday;688867 Wrote: Another upgrade, slightly bigger this time. I picked up an used SimAudio Moon Evolution 600i integrated. I've been trying the 340i and liked how it fit with the Focals better. 600i was too good of a deal to pass up and is a true dual mono. I'm stoked to get it hopefully this week. As you can see from my prior post I'm also own some Sim Audio pre and power amps and I am very happy with the way they sound. In addition their build quality is outstanding. best of luck with your toy. Enjoy! -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 (oops) - Touch 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Latest setup will have: Integra AMD 2.1 Fluance SX Fronts Squeezebox Classic The others are listed below -- Recoveryone Slim Device Transporter wirelessly connected Pioneer Elite VSX-81TX 2nd SqueezeBox 3 Wirelessly connected (Bedroom) Pioneer VSX 520K 3rd SqueezeBox 3 Wirelessly connected (MediaRoom) Pioneer VSX 510 4th Squeezebox 3 Wirelessly Connected (livingRoom) Emotiva Mini-a-x100 Server (In garage) running on P4 3.0 GHz 2 gig ram Windows XP (Sp3) 350 Xternal gigHD Verizon Fios wireless router w/HG antana Recoveryone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9205 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
ralphpnj;688869 Wrote: As you can see from my prior post I'm also own some Sim Audio pre and power amps and I am very happy with the way they sound. In addition their build quality is outstanding. best of luck with your toy. Enjoy! I am quite stoked, it was a little over budget even used, but it was in the back of mind when looking at the 340i that I'd eventually upgrade to the 600i with the wicked SimAudio upgrade program. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
May I suggest a new font for the OP Microsoft to boot? Propellor Head Massif? Sure to make Windows 8 look brighter, more beautiful and hey even take the sound of the SBT to stratospheric heights -- pandasharka pandasharka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=45806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
Its a long time since I did this!! How come my Transporter doesn't see the laptop LMS? Cannot see transporter from web control either? -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
Surely the obvious choice is Dingbats. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
mashley;688878 Wrote: Its a long time since I did this!! How come my Transporter doesn't see the laptop LMS? Cannot see transporter from web control either? All on same local network, same subnet, etc? Win laptop? If so LMS control panel diagnostics. All ports ok? -- garym *Location 1:* VB Appliance 6TB (1.10) LMS 7.7.1 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Location 2:* VB Appliance 3TB (2.0) LMS 7.7.1 Touch Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win7(64) LMS 7.7.1 SqueezePlay Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controllers: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.7 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
think I have the ferrites sorted, the clip-on ones seem to be quite powerful in their effect, too much for low voltage cables, so have ended putting one on the mains lead of the DAC1 just as it connects to the dac and also one on the mains lead to the sbt linear supply just before it connects. this seems to knock out any hf effects from rfi and am a happy bunny. tried them on the Ethernet cable again, but just lost too much high level detail ie airyness, atmospherics. tried 2 in series on the dac, but effect was to reduce too much of the high end, don't know what's going on there. suspect 2 in series produces too much of an inductive effect. So have ring ferrites with 3 turns on low voltage cable after switchers for laptop and external disk and clip-ons on the 240v mains for dac and SBT ps. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
SBGK;688755 Wrote: ...beautiful balance, tone, soundstage, depth, timing, feels like you can reach into the music, fantastic, never heard anything so good. 13 hours ago you posted the above, after installing Windows 8. If it is true, why the hell are you messing around with ferrite rings, and posting to the forum? If I had experienced such an epiphany, I would be too busy rediscovering my music collection. -- darrell darrell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13460 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
Both on same router (laptop is wireless at the moment) status running Diagnostics - all ok Ports ok Same operating system XP Pro subnet etc? not sure how and what to check -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
I've found that I can achieve a lot better prat and bloom by modifying my .emacs file. -- totoro sb3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
The very fruitiest of fruit cakes :( -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Phil Leigh;688735 Wrote: In theory yes, but some ofus have found that it is better to ignore the measurement part of Inguz and use something more advanced/ powerful for that - I use Audilense to do the measurements and Inguz at playback time to do the convolution. Suppose one had a usb connection thingy with phantom power for a mic, a stand, and a behringer mic. What would one need to do audiolense measurements? a laptop plugged into the stereo with the mic hooked up to it? I did measurements with the original inguz (playing a separate sine wave sweep through each speaker while the mic recorded): is the audiolense way of doing it similar? -- totoro sb3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
I hope everybody will bear with me, this is going to be a bit long, I have a lot to say on this subject. As the regulars should know by now I am one who can hear differences in equipment, and I'm also a technical person who builds his own stuff and tries hard to come up with correlations to measurable aspects of systems. I've noticed many ways in which the brain influences what I hear, so I'm definitely in the what you perceive can change camp, BUT that does not lead me to believe that all listening is therefore worthless, just that I need to have some understanding of what is happening so I can make somewhat meaningful interpretations of what I perceive. At this point I'm going to share some experiences in perception in another hobby of mine, hopefully this will illuminate the subject. I'm also heavily into amateur astronomy including building my own telescopes. Visual astronomy is another field in which human perception is key. We frequently are looking at objects which are right on the edge of perception, the brain also does all kinds of interesting things to modify what you perceive. The experienced observers have learned to manipulate the brain to get it to let them see whats really there. Astronomy has a big advantage over audio, you can look at the same spot in space with a big telescope and camera and determine if what the trained observers are seeing is really there or not. The upshot is that the trained observers can see things that untrained people can't, its not because they have better vision, or better telescopes, but they have learned to manipulate how the brain filters what they perceive. objective measurements (pictures from the Hubble etc) verify that what they observe really is there. When I was new to the hobby I experienced this in a (at least to me) dramatic way. I had bought a fairly inexpensive yet quite decent telescope and was trying to see a famous nebula, which all the books said I should be able to see with this telescope. I spent a month and could not find it. From the star charts I knew just where it should be, but when I looked there, I couldn't see anything. I went to a star party with a bunch of experienced observers, and asked one of them if he could find the nebula with my telescope, he looked through it and said its right there, I looked and looked and could not see it. He chuckled and said you are looking too hard, don't concentrate on seeing it, just relax and look at the whole field of view. I did that, and presto it popped into view, I concentrated hard at looking at the nebula and it vanished. I hadn't changed the scope, I hadn't changed where I was looking, the nebula was on the same spot on the retina, it wasn't the difference between rods and cones etc, it was what I was concentrating on! My theory at this point is that the brain is performing a form of AGC (automatic gain control) on what I'm looking at it tries to normalize what I see. When I concentrate on one specific part of the field, it throws out the rest and normalizes what I'm concentrating on to dark gray. When I don't concentrate on any one specific thing, it can only normalize on the whole image so the subtle differences in brightness are preserved and the nebula pops into view. My assertion is that the same thing happens in audio. When you are deliberately performing a test, and concentrating hard at critical listening, you concentrate on a specific aspect of the sound, your brain throws out the rest and normalizes that aspect. When you do the same with a different piece of equipment, it normalizes that aspect, and low and behold they sound the same or or only slightly different. BUT if you forget about critical listening and just experience the whole totality of the music you start to be able to perceive subtle contrasts and how the different equipment renders them. But the moment you focus in on them they float away. So are DBTs useless? No, you just have to learn how to do them. The listen to the same few seconds and switch back and forth is going to guarantee you are in the critical listening mode. You have to listen for at least several tracks so you can get into the experience the totality of the music mode and ignore the fact you are taking part in a test. This is not easy to do, but can be done if you just relax and don't try so hard. At least for me when I get into this mode I can start hearing all kinds of subtle nuances in the performance and the space the performance was performed in. The contrasts in the sound field are increased. Different gear does this showing the contrasts differently. The brain is still normalizing, but its normalizing the whole thing. You still don't get an absolute view into the sound, but it is possible to determine how different equipment shows the contrasts. I know there will be some who will say, but how do you know this contrast is real and not something the brain made up? My take is this: we know the brain filters what we perceive, what
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
JohnSwenson;688895 Wrote: I hope everybody will bear with me, this is going to be a bit long, I have a lot to say on this subject. As the regulars should know by now I am one who can hear differences in equipment, and I'm also a technical person who builds his own stuff and tries hard to come up with correlations to measurable aspects of systems. I've noticed many ways in which the brain influences what I hear, so I'm definitely in the what you perceive can change camp, BUT that does not lead me to believe that all listening is therefore worthless, just that I need to have some understanding of what is happening so I can make somewhat meaningful interpretations of what I perceive. At this point I'm going to share some experiences in perception in another hobby of mine, hopefully this will illuminate the subject. I'm also heavily into amateur astronomy including building my own telescopes. Visual astronomy is another field in which human perception is key. We frequently are looking at objects which are right on the edge of perception, the brain also does all kinds of interesting things to modify what you perceive. The experienced observers have learned to manipulate the brain to get it to let them see whats really there. Astronomy has a big advantage over audio, you can look at the same spot in space with a big telescope and camera and determine if what the trained observers are seeing is really there or not. The upshot is that the trained observers can see things that untrained people can't, its not because they have better vision, or better telescopes, but they have learned to manipulate how the brain filters what they perceive. objective measurements (pictures from the Hubble etc) verify that what they observe really is there. When I was new to the hobby I experienced this in a (at least to me) dramatic way. I had bought a fairly inexpensive yet quite decent telescope and was trying to see a famous nebula, which all the books said I should be able to see with this telescope. I spent a month and could not find it. From the star charts I knew just where it should be, but when I looked there, I couldn't see anything. I went to a star party with a bunch of experienced observers, and asked one of them if he could find the nebula with my telescope, he looked through it and said its right there, I looked and looked and could not see it. He chuckled and said you are looking too hard, don't concentrate on seeing it, just relax and look at the whole field of view. I did that, and presto it popped into view, I concentrated hard at looking at the nebula and it vanished. I hadn't changed the scope, I hadn't changed where I was looking, the nebula was on the same spot on the retina, it wasn't the difference between rods and cones etc, it was what I was concentrating on! My theory at this point is that the brain is performing a form of AGC (automatic gain control) on what I'm looking at it tries to normalize what I see. When I concentrate on one specific part of the field, it throws out the rest and normalizes what I'm concentrating on to dark gray. When I don't concentrate on any one specific thing, it can only normalize on the whole image so the subtle differences in brightness are preserved and the nebula pops into view. My assertion is that the same thing happens in audio. When you are deliberately performing a test, and concentrating hard at critical listening, you concentrate on a specific aspect of the sound, your brain throws out the rest and normalizes that aspect. When you do the same with a different piece of equipment, it normalizes that aspect, and low and behold they sound the same or or only slightly different. BUT if you forget about critical listening and just experience the whole totality of the music you start to be able to perceive subtle contrasts and how the different equipment renders them. But the moment you focus in on them they float away. So are DBTs useless? No, you just have to learn how to do them. The listen to the same few seconds and switch back and forth is going to guarantee you are in the critical listening mode. You have to listen for at least several tracks so you can get into the experience the totality of the music mode and ignore the fact you are taking part in a test. This is not easy to do, but can be done if you just relax and don't try so hard. At least for me when I get into this mode I can start hearing all kinds of subtle nuances in the performance and the space the performance was performed in. The contrasts in the sound field are increased. Different gear does this showing the contrasts differently. The brain is still normalizing, but its normalizing the whole thing. You still don't get an absolute view into the sound, but it is possible to determine how different equipment shows the contrasts. I know there will be some who will say, but how do you know this contrast
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
totoro;69 Wrote: I've found that I can achieve a lot better prat and bloom by modifying my .emacs file. vi is the only true editor get used to it p -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
Jeff Flowerday;688874 Wrote: I am quite stoked, it was a little over budget even used, but it was in the back of mind mind when looking at the 340i that I'd eventually upgrade to the 600i with the wicked SimAudio upgrade program. Uh? -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. It is truly the Golden Age of Wireless pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
Excellent suggestion Phil, The desktop is wired, however there is no wireless card. -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What Amp and Speakers Are You Using?
pski;688898 Wrote: Uh? Are you asking about the upgrade program? As long as a component purchased from a dealer is in mint condition it can be traded for full purchase value towards higher end models. -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21643 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If only all audiophiles were like this man, Peter Aczel
this man spoke the truth. It baffles me that hifi industry is driven by spurious, alternate dimension bullshit! http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_26_r.pdf http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_24_r.pdf -- TheOctavist VortexboxSBT(stock(TT failed dbt)Forssell MDAC-2Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra KleosBespoke Valve Phono StageMastersound Due VentiLink Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If only all audiophiles were like this man, Peter Aczel
Just because you've not experienced another dimension doesn't mean its not there. -- konut konut's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1596 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If only all audiophiles were like this man, Peter Aczel
konut;688908 Wrote: Just because you've not experienced another dimension doesn't mean its not there. On the other hand, just because you think you've ridden a unicorn doesn't mean you have. -- totoro sb3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Win 7 Optimisations
pski;688897 Wrote: vi is the only true editor get used to it p Depends entirely on where and when you went to school. CMU/early 90s == emacs (me). Strangely, when I was in school, only old guys used vi for the most part. Now mostly old guys use emacs. skinny ties/fat ties kind of thing -- totoro sb3 - mccormack dna .5 - audio physic tempo 4 + rel storm 3 totoro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93257 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Crackling only through server?
Ok got it all working now, had to reset xilinx and set everything up again. Will run Pandora from the server via my laptop tomorrow if I get time, will let yall know (as we say down here in New Orleans) if the popping has gone away. -- mashley mashley's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36549 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82558 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If only all audiophiles were like this man, Peter Aczel
totoro;688911 Wrote: On the other hand, just because you think you've ridden a unicorn doesn't mean you have. Funny enough, the unicorn tells us something . Some folklorist researchers have theory that it really is the rhino but they story has been passed on trough so many people/years that it became something else, people in the 1100's did not travel much and books vhere not always acurate. Similar story about the comodo dragon . which is just a large lizzard -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If only all audiophiles were like this man, Peter Aczel
TheOctavist;688905 Wrote: this man spoke the truth. It baffles me that hifi industry is driven by spurious, alternate dimension bullshit! http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_26_r.pdf http://www.theaudiocritic.com/back_issues/The_Audio_Critic_24_r.pdf I did like the consumer and designer prejudices In high end audio article . The other articles are also very good. Nice links are all thier back issues freely avaible ? Can you subscribe electronically ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] If only all audiophiles were like this man, Peter Aczel
Yup, enjoyed The Audio Critic's work over the years. Problem is the audio hardware industry isn't interested in supporting this kind of journalism. Sad. -- Archimago Archimago's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2207 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93479 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] psycho acoustics: the nightmare of listening tests
JohnSwenson;688895 Wrote: I hope everybody will bear with me, this is going to be a bit long, I have a lot to say on this subject. As the regulars should know by now I am one who can hear differences in equipment, and I'm also a technical person who builds his own stuff and tries hard to come up with correlations to measurable aspects of systems. I've noticed many ways in which the brain influences what I hear, so I'm definitely in the what you perceive can change camp, BUT that does not lead me to believe that all listening is therefore worthless, just that I need to have some understanding of what is happening so I can make somewhat meaningful interpretations of what I perceive. At this point I'm going to share some experiences in perception in another hobby of mine, hopefully this will illuminate the subject. I'm also heavily into amateur astronomy including building my own telescopes. Visual astronomy is another field in which human perception is key. We frequently are looking at objects which are right on the edge of perception, the brain also does all kinds of interesting things to modify what you perceive. The experienced observers have learned to manipulate the brain to get it to let them see whats really there. Astronomy has a big advantage over audio, you can look at the same spot in space with a big telescope and camera and determine if what the trained observers are seeing is really there or not. The upshot is that the trained observers can see things that untrained people can't, its not because they have better vision, or better telescopes, but they have learned to manipulate how the brain filters what they perceive. objective measurements (pictures from the Hubble etc) verify that what they observe really is there. When I was new to the hobby I experienced this in a (at least to me) dramatic way. I had bought a fairly inexpensive yet quite decent telescope and was trying to see a famous nebula, which all the books said I should be able to see with this telescope. I spent a month and could not find it. From the star charts I knew just where it should be, but when I looked there, I couldn't see anything. I went to a star party with a bunch of experienced observers, and asked one of them if he could find the nebula with my telescope, he looked through it and said its right there, I looked and looked and could not see it. He chuckled and said you are looking too hard, don't concentrate on seeing it, just relax and look at the whole field of view. I did that, and presto it popped into view, I concentrated hard at looking at the nebula and it vanished. I hadn't changed the scope, I hadn't changed where I was looking, the nebula was on the same spot on the retina, it wasn't the difference between rods and cones etc, it was what I was concentrating on! My theory at this point is that the brain is performing a form of AGC (automatic gain control) on what I'm looking at it tries to normalize what I see. When I concentrate on one specific part of the field, it throws out the rest and normalizes what I'm concentrating on to dark gray. When I don't concentrate on any one specific thing, it can only normalize on the whole image so the subtle differences in brightness are preserved and the nebula pops into view. My assertion is that the same thing happens in audio. When you are deliberately performing a test, and concentrating hard at critical listening, you concentrate on a specific aspect of the sound, your brain throws out the rest and normalizes that aspect. When you do the same with a different piece of equipment, it normalizes that aspect, and low and behold they sound the same or or only slightly different. BUT if you forget about critical listening and just experience the whole totality of the music you start to be able to perceive subtle contrasts and how the different equipment renders them. But the moment you focus in on them they float away. So are DBTs useless? No, you just have to learn how to do them. The listen to the same few seconds and switch back and forth is going to guarantee you are in the critical listening mode. You have to listen for at least several tracks so you can get into the experience the totality of the music mode and ignore the fact you are taking part in a test. This is not easy to do, but can be done if you just relax and don't try so hard. At least for me when I get into this mode I can start hearing all kinds of subtle nuances in the performance and the space the performance was performed in. The contrasts in the sound field are increased. Different gear does this showing the contrasts differently. The brain is still normalizing, but its normalizing the whole thing. You still don't get an absolute view into the sound, but it is possible to determine how different equipment shows the contrasts. I know there will be some who will say, but how do you know this contrast
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
are people on this thread arguing about the same thing ? this is a TT3.0 thread where the conversion to pcm takes place on the pc/laptop so the data going down the Ethernet cable is different to the unconverted data and also means that things happening on the pc affect the quality of the sound. Don't know if that might help some of the dogmatists to find the correct thread for themselves, maybe they can go and preach somewhere else. -- SBGK SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
