Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
naamanf;690656 Wrote: > Yup it works! And sounds horrible! > > I must have not done such a great job on the correction filter. I used > the Inguz method with DRC. Is audiolense worth the cheese? What microphone did you use? You need to use a GOOD flat mic, preferably one that is calibrated. Can you describe "horrible"? Is the sound distorted? - can you check in the log.txt file to see if it mentions "clipping" in the log messages. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Triode;690632 Wrote: > I think some of the TT mods can be made to work with the approach in the > blind tester, others which require a reboot can't easily though I am > willing to consider extending the app so state it persits across > reboots. However I do think its a valuable way to understand changes > whether its a batch of them or individually. The included test set > does also make a change which I would be interested in people's > observation of... I hope more people participate!! Of course these things always risk bringing the card house crashing down... -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(stock)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Link Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
guidof;690604 Wrote: > IME it all depends on the low frequency extension of your main speakers > AND the careful matching of that to the sub's crossover. > > It also helps to have a way of taming LF room modes, either by bass > traps or DSP. > > If your sub's crossover is set sufficiently low (30-40Hz, depending on > slope), one sub should work just fine. > > Guido F. multiple subs - **always** better than a single. this is widely documented, and fact. http://www.aes.org/tmpFiles/elib/2011/13680.pdf -- TheOctavist Vortexbox>SBT(stock)>>Forssell MDAC-2>>>Klein and Hummell 0300D Sota Sapphire/Lyra Kleos>>Bespoke Valve Phono Stage>>Mastersound Due Venti>>Link Audio K100 TheOctavist's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
darrenyeats;690647 Wrote: > I was at a Pink Floyd concert (1994 at Earl's Court). > > Everything about the sound was incredible, even from half way back in > the huge arena, high up on one side! One, low distortion: I could hear > backing singers individually and each instrument distinctly, much > better than any other big concert I've been to. Two, despite number one > it was incredibly loud: the electric guitar after the build up of Shine > on You Crazy Diamond was like being skewered through the head with > golden audio spear! Three, the bass was sensational: I could feel kick > drums on my throat; I was massaged internally pretty much all night; > and when the organ hit the low note at the beginning of Sorrow my jeans > flapped violently. And the stage was a LONG way away! > > Pretty much downhill from there for me... > Darren Was that the Pulse concert? An amazing show..wish I had been there! I keep hoping it will be available on Blu Ray but it doesn't look likely. -- jfo jfo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1135 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
naamanf;690656 Wrote: > Yup it works! And sounds horrible! > > I must have not done such a great job on the correction filter. I used > the Inguz method with DRC. Is audiolense worth the cheese? I'm intrigued but also skeptical about something messing with the audio before. It looks like audiolense is the proper way to do it, but it isn't cheap. There isn't much else I can do with my room, so the last option would be DRC, but I need to hear some rave reviews. :) -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Phil Leigh;690640 Wrote: > Changes only happen if you stop/start or change track... It doesnt work > like a normal "tone control" because of the buffering in the player... > > Check the file called log.txt on your LMS server... It should have some > debug information in there that will confirm whether or not Inguz iS > actually running... Also, task manager will show inguzdsp.exe > running... Yup it works! And sounds horrible! I must have not done such a great job on the correction filter. I used the Inguz method with DRC. Is audiolense worth the cheese? -- naamanf naamanf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Phil Leigh;690626 Wrote: > Mine kicks in at 28hz... I was at a Pink Floyd concert (1994 at Earl's Court). Everything about the sound was incredible, even from half way back in the huge arena, high up on one side! One, low distortion: I could hear backing singers individually and each instrument was heard distinctly, much better than any other big concert I've been to. Two, despite number one it was incredibly loud: the electric guitar after the build up of Shine on You Crazy Diamond was like being skewered through the head with golden audio spear! Three, the bass was sensational: I could feel kick drums on my throat; I was massaged internally pretty much all night; and when the organ hit the low note at the beginning of Sorrow my jeans flapped violently. And the stage was a LONG way away! Pretty much downhill from there for me... Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
naamanf;690636 Wrote: > Not to thread jack, but what is the trick to get Inguz to actually > perform to audio corrections. I'm running LMS 7.7.1 on W7. Everything > looks like it's working but it doesn't actually change the sound. All > the test tones work though. Changes only happen if you stop/start or change track... It doesnt work like a normal "tone control" because of the buffering in the player... Check the file called log.txt on your LMS server... It should have some debug information in there that will confirm whether or not Inguz iS actually running... Also, task manager will show inguzdsp.exe running... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Not to thread jack, but what is the trick to get Inguz to actually perform to audio corrections. I'm running LMS 7.7.1 on W7. Everything looks like it's working but it doesn't actually change the sound. All the test tones work though. -- naamanf naamanf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20111 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690607 Wrote: > It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only > supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting > Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes > to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which is not > possible with Triode's app. But it's the sum of all of them which > really makes the difference. I think some of the TT mods can be made to work with the approach in the blind tester, others which require a reboot can't easily though I am willing to consider extending the app so state it persits across reboots. However I do think its a valuable way to understand changes whether its a batch of them or individually. The included test set does also make a change which I would be interested in people's observation of... -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
Mnyb;690624 Wrote: > I filter my sub at 50hz that's a good compromise to my main speakers > filter is steep and some DRC DSP is applied, my sub is actually placed > more like a speaker and not close to boundary( to use that effect) that > actually makes it easier to blend in but demands more output from it. > But I rarely play that loud so it's enough and I live in a flat :) > > I do wonder about 2 subs he he if I se another one used. Mine kicks in at 28hz... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
I filter my sub at 50hz that's a good compromise to my main speakers filter is steep and some DRC DSP is applied, my sub is actually placed more like a speaker and not close to boundary( to use that effect) that actually makes it easier to blend in but demands more output from it. But I rarely play that loud so it's enough and I live in a flat :) I do wonder about 2 subs he he if I se another one used. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
sckramer;690015 Wrote: > Looks like a nice sub! > > You should do a pair of subs, if you run a stereo signal into a single > sub, you can actually get some cancellation-- I agree you can get cancellation between channels but I question whether two subs will improve things significantly for this type of issue. I'm thinking the cancellation will happen acoustically instead of electrically. Most material will have L and R in phase for deep bass. If the rationale for subs throughout the room is to have overlapping phase, thus evening out room effects, then stereo signals out of phase will ruin that plan too. I think! IOW channel cancellation isn't the biggest issue, if I understand the pro multi sub people correctly. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB Touch darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690607 Wrote: > It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only > supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting > Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes > to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which is not > possible with Triode's app. But it's the sum of all of them which > really makes the difference. Also, if you didn't disconnect the screen, unsolder the toslink, add a linear power supply, it's not a complete comparison to stock -- sckramer CiAudio VDC-SB - Touch (TT 2.0 mods, removed toslink, disconnected screen, buf:2) PSaudio DLIII DAC (Cullen 4 mods) - PSaudio Trio C-100 Amp (Cullen 3 mods) Energy Veritas 2.2i speakers (mundorf silver oil capacitors, inductor, and resistor mods) Martin Logan Depth i (x2) (xover at 35Hz, +2db boost at 20-25Hz) Cardas power cables - PSaudio Duet - Cardas clear light interconnect -- black cat veloce digital cable - Audioquest slate biwire spkr cables sckramer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20311 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?
I even still like the original sound of the first release. It sounds a bit thin and you really have to turn it up but it is still one of better recordings out there. You may check if you have an early cd version that was sold with pre-emphasis and apply de-emphasis. Not sure but on several ripping tools or drives this detection is still not working 100% all the time. -- Wombat Transporter (modded) -> RG142 -> Avantgarde Acoustic based 500VA monoblocks -> Sommer SPK240 -> self-made speakers Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?
evdplancke;690599 Wrote: > The ugly thing therein is that one will again tell that the medium makes > the difference and wrongly conclude that it's hires that best reproduces > the good old analog vinyl sound. Sorry you are absolutely right, I should have said "fortunately, the mastering on the DVD-A is rather good". Thanks for the correction! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Theoretical benefits to hi-res if only max 20kHz signal?
wow thanks very much- this is really interesting. Please say thank you from me. I shall have a good read and properly digest it before asked any dumb questions back. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93483 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Soundman;690607 Wrote: > It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only > supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting > Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes > to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which is not > possible with Triode's app. But it's the sum of all of them which > really makes the difference. It's possible if you have two Touch's and a friend :-/ My problems is that my main hifi seems to be very source agnostic I'm not positive that I can tell the diff between any reasonably well put together digital sources at all ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
TheOctavist;690485 Wrote: > why dont you guys come to the touch forum and participate in Triodes > blind testing app? It's not suitable to test TT-mods. As Triode writes: "The applet only supports changes which can be made on the fly without restarting Touch". The TT-mods always require a restart (except for TT -k). Comes to it that the TT-mods should be tested all together, which is not possible with Triode's app. But it's the sum of all of them which really makes the difference. -- Soundman Soundman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
IME it all depends on the low frequency extension of your main speakers AND the careful matching of that to the sub's crossover. It also helps to have a way of taming LF room modes, either by bass traps or DSP. If your sub's crossover is set sufficiently low (30-40Hz, depending on slope), one sub should work just fine. Guido F. -- guidof MUSIC ROOM: Marantz TT 15S1 Turntable, Virtuoso Wood Cartridge->Conrad Johnson Motif preamp Oppo BDP-83 Universal Player->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC Vortexbox Appliance->WiFi Bridge->Squeezebox Touch->Toslink->Cambridge Azur 840C DAC->Adcom GFP-750 preamp->Music Reference RM-200 Mk II amp -> Martin Logan SL3s DSpeaker Antimode 8033->REL T1 Sub BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch (analog out)->Little Dot Mk III amp->AKG K701 headphones SECOND BEDROOM: Squeezebox Touch->Grado SR125 headphones guidof's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40448 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?
Phil Leigh;690585 Wrote: > Fortunately the DVD-A is rather good.. :-) The ugly thing therein is that one will again tell that the medium makes the difference and wrongly conclude that it's hires that best reproduces the good old analog vynil sound. -- evdplancke evdplancke's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43147 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
adamdea;690592 Wrote: > Is it also necessary to apply your amended plugin.pm and index as per > the zip file you posted > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=633051&postcount=317 Yep! - do that first. I actually now use a hacked (by me) version of plugin.pm that disables ALL of the custom_convert.conf generating code, to stop it overwriting my lovingly crafted custom_convert.conf file everytime it detects a new SB device... or at seemingly random moments following LMS updates... ! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Robb_G;690590 Wrote: > Phil, > > Regarding your point above, is it true that the Touch will sound better > than the Duet even when feeding an external DAC via optical cable? > > The reason I ask is that I have a well regarded DAC (Audio-gd NFB-2) > that I currently have connected to a Duet receiver. Should I expect > improved sound by changing to a Touch, or does the source in this case > not matter since the DAC is actually converting the data? > > Thanks, > Robb In my experience the Touch sounds better than the SB3 (which is very similar to the Duet receiver from a hardware persepctive) into the small number of DAC's I have tried with it. It has a technically superior s/pdif output with lower jitter and a "cleaner" waveform. Whether or not you can hear a difference depends entirely on your DAC. It is not a "game changer" and the improvements are subtle at best. Some DAC's will sound identical, others will show a small improvement. I'm not familiar with your DAC so can't comment on it specifically. My gut instinct is to not worry about it. You'd get a hundred times more difference in sound by moving your speakers a few inches. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
Is it also necessary to apply your amended plugin.pm and index as per the zip file you posted http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=633051&postcount=317 -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
Phil Leigh;690584 Wrote: > Please note that the Touch without TT sounds better than the Duet > anyway. Phil, Regarding your point above, is it true that the Touch will sound better than the Duet even when feeding an external DAC via optical cable? The reason I ask is that I have a well regarded DAC (Audio-gd NFB-2) that I currently have connected to a Duet receiver. Should I expect improved sound by changing to a Touch, or does the source in this case not matter since the DAC is actually converting the data? Thanks, Robb -- Robb_G Robb_G's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38233 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How low is low?
sckramer;690015 Wrote: > Looks like a nice sub! > > You should do a pair of subs, if you run a stereo signal into a single > sub, you can actually get some cancellation-- You guys are evil. :) -- Jeff Flowerday Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93382 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?
Soulkeeper;690569 Wrote: > Talking about Dire Straits, it was AB listening to Brothers in Arms that > once had me convinced that vinyl was vastly superior to CD. It took a > while before I understood that it wasn't the medium, it was the War On > Sound. > > Still can't bring myself to listen to the CD, though. It sounds like > the drummer sits inside the world's largest tin can. Fortunately the DVD-A is rather good.. :-) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
mrbanks;690512 Wrote: > Is there a version for Squeezebox Duet? > > //Thanks No. The Duet uses proprietary firmware on its XILINX chip and cannot be easily hacked. Even if it could, the TT changes are not relevant to the Duet hardware/firmware. Please note that the Touch without TT sounds better than the Duet anyway. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
adamdea;690559 Wrote: > Will do. > As I understand it the custom convert file was to make everything get > converted to a single format 24/96 flac by sox prior to inguz. > You can do it using a text editor to insert your mac address into phils > file. > > I'm sure phil can explain better. This is my custom_convert.conf file (attached). It is designed to work with a 24/96 convolution file form Audiolense. It only supports certain file types (the ones I use) and you need to replace my MAC address with that of your device, using Notepad or Wordpad as a text editor. You will need to rename the file form custom_convert.txt to custom_convert.conf and place it into the same folder as convert.conf (use Windows search to find that file). +---+ |Filename: custom-convert.txt | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=13062| +---+ -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by "listening"= failure.
Archimago;690548 Wrote: > LOL, hilarious interview. > > This part is interesting: > "PQ: It's not a question of digital or analog, because in CD's the > music is still stored as a continuous, if some what squared, sine wave, > in the form of ones and zeros. The CD does not break up the signal at > all. If the hard disk store music in a continuous sine wave like CDs > do, then the storage volume would be greatly reduced, imaging like > instead of 5000 songs, you'd probably only have 300 songs! It's either > quality or convenience, you'll have to choose because you can't have > both! Just like a Ferrari or a Range Rover! The Ferrari is great on > track or roads, but the Range Rover is best for off roads." > > Geez. I guess the guy hasn't heard about data interleaving in CD's if > he thinks the data is "continuous". > > Errr... Suppose we even care about data being stored on a HD in a > contiguous fashion, how in the world does that change capacity? > > Misinformed? Fraud? or just plain Insanity? What's this guy's > background anyway other than marketing? Perfect example of the most dangerous type of idiot, one who is potentially in a position to part a fool from his money... What a complete buffoon. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/W7)+Teddy Pardo PSU - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters,VdH Toslink,Kimber 8TC Speaker & Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HTPC vs Squeezebox?
Thanks for the info! ,Much appreciated :) -- c-eling c-eling's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HTPC vs Squeezebox?
probably no difference but, as all reasonably good digital sources sound the same: HTPC depends on the audio sound system of your OS investigate asio drivers and kernel streaming and similar issues if it is windows. sound quality can depend on computer performance OS may re-sample or invoke volume controls and many such niggling issues, but if you have those under control... Squeezeboxes are computer independent the audio system on the serving computer is of no consequence it only streams the files, the actual playback is done by the squeezebox itself. So neither drivers or soundcards have any impact, a squeezebox is not a remote soundcard this is why they are good :) Also having a squeezebox means that the serving pc does not need to be in the same room, it can be hidden in the basement or a closet . However a Squeezebox Touch support 2ch up to 24bit and 96kHz if you want to play discrete multichannel you need hdmi . Higher sample-rates are dealt by via re-sampling on the server so your 176,4khz and 192khz files can be played anyway trough the squeezebox. This can be an issue if the server is a low powered nas or similar (runs out of cpu/memory) otherwise this works fine. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Tired of compression ruining your music?
Talking about Dire Straits, it was AB listening to Brothers in Arms that once had me convinced that vinyl was vastly superior to CD. It took a while before I understood that it wasn't the medium, it was the War On Sound. Still can't bring myself to listen to the CD, though. It sounds like the drummer sits inside the world's largest tin can. -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797) Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93506 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] HTPC vs Squeezebox?
I doubt that anyone here has done a comparison on -your- system ... ;p So I think you'll have to try it out for yourself. But if you're using an external DAC (like the Onkyo's) for both the SB Touch and the HTPC, don't expect much of a difference sound-wise. -- Soulkeeper 'Bug 17797: Updating wiki.slimdevices.com' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17797) Soulkeeper's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35297 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] soundcheck's Touch Toolbox 3.0
mrbanks;690512 Wrote: > Is there a version for Squeezebox Duet? > > //Thanks No. The reciever part is not open source ,squeezeplay and squeezeos run only on the controller in duet. The os of the Reciever is some kind of propriotary ubicom ip3k stuff ?? who knows how that work. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=91322 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Hey folks, please help me with getting Inguz/DRC/ setup on my SBT!!
TheOctavist;690498 Wrote: > jesus, how do I change the custom convert files? where are the > directions? what does this do? > > have not done the AL yet...will shortly. moving my KH speakers in here > first.. > > btw, Adam, why dont you participate in Triodes blind listening app(in > the touch forum) > > great fun. Will do. As I understand it the custom convert file was to make everything get converted to a single format 24/96 flac by sox prior to inguz. You can do it using a text editor to insert your mac address into phils file. I'm sure phil can explain better. -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93393 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Designing by "listening"= failure.
I was thinking about the topic. Why there is no more thorough deconstruction of specific products/claims. 1. The level of disinformation is close to 100% almost the whole audio press are into to the scam or fooled by it, you cant get through. so it is futile to even try 2. The claims by voodoo hifi designers are so ridiculous that no serious person is going to spend any time debunking it as it is "obvious" bs . I think not, there are so many lay person interested in hifi that some basic well known facts should be repeated now and then for educational purpose the "obvius" is not always obvius. And exemplification by in detail examine a bogus product and why it does not work is a good way to get to the point . For example amps with high output impedance and low power can't really drive speakers and the fact that some amps needs "special" speakers should make you get the obvious conclusion about these amps real performance . And we are again back in the state of affairs we was in the 60-70's as many products now have performance we thought we left behind in the past . So sadly even the crude and incomplete measurements used then would expose these products . This will be the most long lived audio myth of them all . because in the 70's we used the simple thd at 1kHz in to a simple resistor to rate amps often at the 1% and other simplifications this is marketing bollocks so they hit us with fine numbers on stuff that really was no good ok. Especially driving real speakers. So in reality these things did not measure well . So there really is no measure well but sound bad products just bad measurements ! just look at the noise levels for example. But modern amps are designed with the total performance in mind data is done with 20-20kHz measurement at rated low level of thd which is better. But in the background there are much more test regarding stability and other factors. So modern products with todays simplified data set presented in marketing are much better with the exception of some HT products where we again see a kind of spec war, often to high power figures . The specs in papers are still incomplete but they are not a coincidence but often a consequence of otherwise good engineering . An ADM or other null tests would be better . This is a background to why some people just disregard the technical performance completely :-/ But you can go about it the other way if a cult design has 3% thd and 8 watt power and other issues this is a major problem even if the x factors they claims to fix really existed ! So it does not matter how much silver you have in the cables if you still have 3% thd or 2 ohm output impedance . So we should start looking at products that at least are better than our thresholds for detecting these problems . Again this should not really be a problem 2012 but as shown by audio note you can get 1950's performance for your money :-/ -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD & SqueezePad (in storage SB3, reciever ,controller ) Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93542 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
