Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
Letten wrote: > Weired sense of humor or need to lookup what WOL is. > > First post: "I am considering a NAS instead of using my PC since I would > like to be able to play music without having my laptop/PC turned on." > > Problem: having laptop/PC turned on (24/7) > > Possible solution: NAS/Server or try using WOL on existing PC. I use a dedicated 24/7 small PC, not a NAS. It has all my many music files on its 500gb internal 3.5" drive, and runs ONLY LMS plus the software necessary to run headless (allows remote control from my other devices). The one I use, Fit-PC2, uses very little power under load, around 5W, less when quiescent (but not zero). It's tiny, about the size of a cigarette package. No fan, heat is dispersed through the solid aluminum case. It's been on pretty much every hour of every day for the past two and a half years without anything resembling a failure. If I'm going on vacation or something I'll typically turn it off if I remember, which doesn't always happen. If I needed to I could install a larger drive, or start using an external drive, but I'm ok for the immediate future. At the time I bought it (diskless) I had a spare XP licence so that is what I installed. I'd prefer Win7, and if I ever upgrade the drive that's what I'll put on it. As to sound quality, bits are bits. No difference where the bits are located, as long as they are properly served to the SB devices. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
Hi all, i have a question specifically for Phil. I installed Logitech media server on a new imac with osx "lion". I found it quite difficoltä to run the latest version of Inguz (0.9.33) for installation problems following this procedure : http://www.sugarmonster.net/InguzDownloads/index.html But now i have the plugin dsp nicely active and correction works with flac and mp3 files but not with apple lossless (alac). I tried and tried but it seems that we need to make some changes in the configuration files (?). I ask for a little help and sorry for the bad English language. Tanks, Marcello marcy1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=44043 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
Letten wrote: > Weired sense of humor or need to lookup what WOL is. > > First post: "I am considering a NAS instead of using my PC since I would > like to be able to play music without having my laptop/PC turned on." > > Problem: having laptop/PC turned on (24/7) > > Possible solution: NAS/Server or try using WOL on existing PC. Not with that lineup of players you don't. If all your files are 16/44.1 then you'll be fine. If you have stuff that needs transcoding to 24/48 then a NAS won't necessarily be up to the job. My NAS most certainly doesn't do transcoding - I ran a Touch and SB3, and ended up buying a second Touch because of the transcoding problem. SB3 is now unused. Chris :) Stratmangler's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
SBGK wrote: > To conclude, the Touch is just too noisy to live in revealing system. > The EDO mod shows up the inadequacies of the spdif out, but the EDO mod > introduces noise itself, not least the 2500 per second usb interrupts. > I would suggest you need to be careful making blanket statements such as this. At best this is a statement of what you hear in your system and at worst its possible that you have an expectation bias of the changes (cf your assersion that EDO 0.7 and 0.6 are vastly different... or tuning buffers beyond their max value makes a difference...) I think what we can say is that in any computer based music system there may be some level of cpu activity related noise which is present on the power rail/ground plane. Whether this can be detected on the output interface will be hardware design specific and what impact this has on the downstream components will be very dependant on the construction of the downstream component. In this case it sounds like your usb-spdif device is suseptible to noise on the usb interface. Its likely than many well implemented async usb dacs may be less suseptible, others will be. However the assersion that Touch is worse than a PC is a blanket statement which I don't think you can stand by. It will depend on the PC, its operating system and specifically the output interface hardware and its power rails. There is simply too much variablity there to be able to say that it will be inheriently better or worse that Touch. As for how the touch output process influence sound quality - I suspect that the main issue here is that there is so little going on within touch that you can detect the impact of indiviual software processes/tasks on the power rails. On a generic PC there will be many more active threads and so I suspect the background cpu activity/noise is far more diffuse. However if you look at specific outputs such as usb then you will see regular interrupts which are handled by the kernel in just the same way as touch (everything uses ehci based usb chipsets for instance). There will also be application layer things which can be tuned, but the impact this has on the output will be very dependant on the hardware implementation. To summarise - I think the best you can conclude is that with your vlink 192 you can detect more noise from Touch than from your PC. I don't think this should put people off using the touch - it may mean they want to look at true asyc dacs (where there is a fixed clock is next to the D/A converter and there is no spdif/pll) Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
lake_eleven wrote: > Have anyone tried WoL (Wake-on-LAN). Does it benefit sound from LMS/SBT? Weired sense of humor or need to lookup what WOL is. First post: "I am considering a NAS instead of using my PC since I would like to be able to play music without having my laptop/PC turned on." Problem: having laptop/PC turned on (24/7) Possible solution: NAS/Server or try using WOL on existing PC. Letten's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
Jeff Flowerday wrote: > If you don't initiate a WOL event to a sleeping server, you do get the > blackest blacks you could ever imagine. > > > Try it! Love it! I tried it and it really does take the noise floor down to almost imperceptible levels. ;-) aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
lake_eleven wrote: > Have anyone tried WoL (Wake-on-LAN). Does it benefit sound from LMS/SBT? huh? WOL just allows a computer to wake up from suspend by receiving a "magic packet". Once awake, the WOL is unrelated to anything. How could this affect audio? garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
lake_eleven wrote: > Have anyone tried WoL (Wake-on-LAN). Does it benefit sound from LMS/SBT? If you don't initiate a WOL event to a sleeping server, you do get the blackest blacks you could ever imagine. Try it! Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] NAS versus PC - any sound quality difference?
Have anyone tried WoL (Wake-on-LAN). Does it benefit sound from LMS/SBT? lake_eleven's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48979 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95276 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
SBGK wrote: > don't know if it is just ignorance or spite that causes these outbursts > from you, most unfriendly. I'm confused, which is untrue? The fact the the vlink 192 isn't galvanized isolated on the input or that there are others on this forum that just repeat what you say? Jeff Flowerday's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15883 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
SBGK wrote: > To get a real idea of what computer music should sound like try > listening to jplay xtreme kernel out using foobar2000, usb out from the > laptop to a vlink 192, absolutely stunning sound. for anyone interested in jplay, there is a long thread at hydrogenaudio.org. If one is not in the mood to read the thread, the short takeaway is that "jplay" seems to be smoke and mirrors http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=92856 garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Jeff Flowerday wrote: > FYI, SBGK, runs an asynchronous USB to spdif converter that doesn't have > galvanized isolation. Not sure why he went with the vlink 192 it > doesn't really put him any further ahead than the spdif implementation > on the touch itself. > > The rest of his parrot crew might be running the same device. don't know if it is just ignorance or spite that causes these outbursts from you, most unfriendly. SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Veovis wrote: > I think that device works with most USB dacs and S/PDIF converters that > have a type B female and may be useful if the dac/converter itself is > powered only by USB, such as the V-links. You simply connect your > USB-cable with the Aqvox and then the Aqvox to the Dac/converter. The > Aqvox supposedly provides cleaner power compared to the USB host's own. > A local Hi-fi magazine tested it recently with good results. > > The V-link 192 is galvanically isolated (the V-link II is not) so it > should not be very sensitive to noice from the USB host. I tried cutting > the shield on a simple USB cable anyway and noticed a significant > difference with the V-link 192. That should not account for the > percieved difference in sound quality between 0.6 and 0.7 though, but > now I have no problems at all with the sound of 0.7. Although I haven't > tried to go back to 0.6 I'm willing to confess that the differences I > experienced may not be there. I switched to 0.7 after a pretty long > listening session and that may account for my experience. My apologies > to Triode. Now I believe the sound I get from the Touch and the V-link > 192 beats any source I've ever used. It definitely beats the S/PDIF out > from the Touch. think the vlink 192 is galvanically isolated on the output, so any usb noise will affect the sound. To conclude, the Touch is just too noisy to live in revealing system. The EDO mod shows up the inadequacies of the spdif out, but the EDO mod introduces noise itself, not least the 2500 per second usb interrupts. To get a real idea of what computer music should sound like try listening to jplay xtreme kernel out using foobar2000, usb out from the laptop to a vlink 192, absolutely stunning sound. have spliced the 5v linear supply into the usb cable and cut the usb screen. not heard anything better. In theory, a small linux box should beat a laptop for sound quality, but don't think the touch will be able to. SBGK's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=52003 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Triode's USB 24/192 plug in - sound quality impressions
Jeff Flowerday wrote: > Now you guys need to confirm first that it works with the V-LINK II or > the V-LINK 192 but the following might help further as the V-LINK's > apparently seem susceptible to USB pollution. > > http://www.aqvox.de/usb-power_en.html > > I repeat, confirm that it will work with your device before spending the > money on it!! I think that device works with most USB dacs and S/PDIF converters that have a type B female and may be useful if the dac/converter itself is powered only by USB, such as the V-links. You simply connect your USB-cable with the Aqvox and then the Aqvox to the Dac/converter. The Aqvox supposedly provides cleaner power compared to the USB host's own. A local Hi-fi magazine tested it recently with good results. The V-link 192 is galvanically isolated (the V-link II is not) so it should not be very sensitive to noice from the USB host. I tried cutting the shield on a simple USB cable anyway and noticed a significant difference with the V-link 192. That should not account for the percieved difference in sound quality between 0.6 and 0.7 though, but now I have no problems at all with the sound of 0.7. Although I haven't tried to go back to 0.6 I'm willing to confess that the differences I experienced may not be there. I switched to 0.7 after a pretty long listening session and that may account for my experience. My apologies to Triode. Now I believe the sound I get from the Touch and the V-link 192 beats any source I've ever used. It definitely beats the S/PDIF out from the Touch. Veovis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56155 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=94855 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
