Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Letter to Music Pirates from NPR
Yes piracy is a rampant problem . And so is the music bussiness refusal to actually adapt , why can't I simply buy lossles files of any artist 2012 and why could I not a decade ago and how come that it was apple that actualy took any kind of file sale to the masses ? and why did it took so long to get rid of drm . The historical non existence of actual legal options are bit skimped over in the article , it is not complete but represent one piont of view Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Letter to Music Pirates from NPR
Pippin, guess we'll just have to agree to mostly disagree regarding the impact of piracy on the music business. You seem to want to substantially discount the impact, preferring to assign blame to various aspects of corporate greed. However, big corporations have always been greedy, and the music companies are no exception. Your example regarding MTV is hardly new. Up to 1941, ASCAP was virtually the sole US copyright entity. Their contract with the radio stations was expiring and on renewal, they attempted to double dip on the fees charged for radio stations to broadcast music. The stations refused. ASCAP simply assumed they had all the cards in their hand and the stations would cave in short order. They didn't, but instead formed BMI and started broadcasting public domain material (they say Stephen Foster had a big revival). The radio stations also started recording their own music, using musicians and composers not under the ASCAP contract. This consisted heavily of country/hillbilly and black music, which became very popular with the public. The styles eventually merged to become rock 'n roll. It sure disrupted the status quo, but the big music companies eventually co-opted the upstart and absorbed them into the corporate structure. Time will tell if the music industry figures a way to live with the new reality. While some of their problems were indeed self-created (the MTV situation sounds like a near repeat of 1941), a lot of people would disagree with you that piracy is not a problem. A widespread sense of entitlement is an issue and has its costs, whether they are fully understood in advance or not. I'll now bow out of this discussion, as I've pretty much said what I have to say. Hope you find something good to listen to this evening. I'm enjoying the Schubert Ensemble's version of Franck's Piano Quintet in F minor. Good stuff. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need Repair for Dead Transporter
Keep pressing and get it referred to Logitech US if necessary where they're still selling the product. I had an issue with Logitech Europe support recently and Logitech US resolved it for me in the end. paulster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] RC (Inguz etc.)
What is the absolute minimum processing power required to run Inguz on a PC? Can this mini ITX board be used? AMD CPU on Board ;Fusion APU E-350 Dual-Core Processors Chipset AMD® FCH A50 (Hudson M1): http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_CPU_on_Board/E35M1I_DELUXE/#specifications [image: http://www.asus.com/websites/global/products/9BmKhMwWCwqyl1lz/P_500.jpg] . Kuja's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32935 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77084 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Letter to Music Pirates from NPR
mlsstl wrote: > I'm rather confused. You slam the specific Sparklehorse example and then > admit the article's author probably knows "much more" than you about the > details. I don't understand the logic of claiming this is a bad example > while at the same time admitting the author almost certainly knows the > facts of the situation far more clearly. > My comment re the author knowing "much more" was about WHAT SPECIFIC issue with the record company EMI (and maybe between the artists) led to the delay. However what I DO KNOW (and what is undisputed, btw) is that it was an issue with EMI causing the delay and loss of income. And that it NOTHING to do with piracy. And all of that while the author claims that piracy kills artists while record companies are their saviors (sorry, this is NOT me exaggerating, that's what he says with his examples). Sorry, this hurts. > > The music business has always used the massive sales of their most > popular artists to support the whole > This is not true. The music industry has used the massive sales of their most popular artists to develop a marketing and distribution chain that allowed them to promote other artists from whom they made more profits. What music industry also did was "develop" new artists, yes. But they did not do this by subsidizing them with revenue from more popular artists - they can't because the really successful artists have way too much negotiating power, they don't earn the record companies a lot of money. What brings profit for record companies is long-term contracts with newly "developed" artists who profit from the marketing push and give away a greater revenue share in return. This model is indeed falling apart. But the reason isn't piracy (piracy hits pretty much all artists in the same way), the reason is that the marketing channels (the ways through which especially young people learn about music and exchange about them) have completely changed. There is no MTV anymore (ok, MTV is still around but they don't play any music anymore but do "dismissed" instead. Why? Because record labels now want money for the clips instead of paying them for addition to the rotation) and twitter, facebook and YouTube have taken their place. Record companies have not been able to keep up with this development. Partly, because they are slow corporate dinosaurs and because they were so focused on piracy but also because in that environment there is no real need for them. Today, you don't need a contract with record shops, and the like, you don't need the heavy upfront investments so band's managers have been able to do the marketing side themselves. It's the same dissolution of value chain thing the internet has triggered in all service businesses. And regarding that "most musicians can hardly live from their music": that's always been the case. The reason is simply that most artists don't make straight business decisions into becoming a musician but because it's their calling, they dream of the fame and the chicks or simply because the music itself matters to them. In such an environment you'll always have too tough a competition for most to live. The same thing has been true 10, 20 or 100 years ago. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Letter to Music Pirates from NPR
pippin wrote: > I beg to differ. > > It's not a good article. It's actually a very bad article. I agree with > the general direction making clear that a "free culture" is bad for > musicians and that they have to make money and that it's not OK to just > "pirate" music but the article is full of stereotypes, false claims and > bad/wrong examples. > It's not true that I can get any music I want with a few clicks > (legally, that is). It's true for Lady Gaga, but she has no income > problem, too. But of the music I listen to and buy today (even the new > one!) less than 50% is even available on iTunes. Spotify et al are a > little better but they are also villains by David Lowery's measures. > > I'm too lazy and have too little time to hunt down stuff on file sharing > or download sites so there's a lot of stuff I will only ever get through > streaming services or mixes, but I WOULD buy that stuff if it was just > available > > ...Of course I don't know details about the contracts involved and I > would not claim that there weren't legitimate reasons for EMI's > position, and also David Lowery sure knows much more than I do about > what was going on with this and maybe it was between the artists, I > don't know I'm rather confused. You slam the specific Sparklehorse example and then admit the article's author probably knows "much more" than you about the details. I don't understand the logic of claiming this is a bad example while at the same time admitting the author almost certainly knows the facts of the situation far more clearly. I know that I don't know - I don't listen to that particular style of music - but your complaint comes off looking odd. I do know that business situations can get complicated and messy, with the underlying cause of a problem manifesting itself to the public in ways that don't clearly reveal the roots. The music business has always used the massive sales of their most popular artists to support the whole, whether based on Madonna, Gaga or Bing Crosby. They were willing to gamble on new artists and put up with most of their artists having mediocre or poor sales because the money worked out. They never knew where the next one-hit wonder or enduring superstar would arise. Unfortunately, that system doesn't work too well when most of your customers think they are entitled to free stuff, whether for the big names or the not-so-big. One can nitpick about the root causes involved in the specific examples, but I think, overall, the article's author makes a valid point and illustrates it well. mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95541 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Open Letter to Music Pirates from NPR
I beg to differ.
It's not a good article. It's actually a very bad article. I agree with
the general direction making clear that a "free culture" is bad for
musicians and that they have to make money and that it's not OK to just
"pirate" music but the article is full of stereotypes, false claims and
bad/wrong examples.
It's not true that I can get any music I want with a few clicks
(legally, that is). It's true for Lady Gaga, but she has no income
problem, too. But of the music I listen to and buy today (even the new
one!) less than 50% is even available on iTunes. Spotify et al are a
little better but they are also villains by David Lowery's measures.
I'm too lazy and have too little time to hunt down stuff on file sharing
or download sites so there's a lot of stuff I will only ever get through
streaming services or mixes, but I WOULD buy that stuff if it was just
available.
The article also completely confuses author's rights with recording
rights and is plain wrong in some of the legal claims it makes. "The
accepted norm for hudreds of years of western civilization is the artist
exclusively has the right to exploit and control his/her work for a
period of time." Somebody might want to discuss this with the likes of
Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger and George Michael who are among those who
essentially made this true - for high profile artists and not hundred of
years ago but only during the last few decades and by sheer market
power.
But the thing that infuriates me is the example about Mark Linkous
(Sparklehorse). David writes that his suicide was partly caused by a
harsh financial situation caused by a lack of income from his music and
directly attributes this to piracy while hinting record companies are
the good guys helping musicians and guaranteeing them income. ("There is
no other explanation except for the fact that fans made the unethical
choice to take their music without compensating these artists.")
In this particular case things could not be more wrong.
Sparklehorse happens to be one of the minds behind one of my favorite
albums of the recent years ("Dark Night of the Soul", together with
Brian Burton (Dangermouse) and David Lynch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Night_of_the_Soul_%28album%29 . The
other example given, Vic Chesnutt, was also involved in a track of that
album, btw.).
It's probably his commercially most successful album but only became
such after his death. And the reason for this has nothing to do with
piracy, it was due to a rights dispute with EMI which delayed the
release for more than a year, when it finally came out. Had that not
been the case I doubt he would have been in the dire financial situation
David describes.
And it was the artists themselves who distributed the album freely (on
their own web site) while the dispute was not settled. That was where I
originally downloaded it from, for free, like probably many others, too.
You can argue whether this was piracy or not but you just can't claim
that this had to do with "free culture", piracy or anything.
Of course I don't know details about the contracts involved and I would
not claim that there weren't legitimate reasons for EMI's position, and
also David Lowery sure knows much more than I do about what was going on
with this and maybe it was between the artists, I don't know. But to put
this forward as an example of why only record companies are the good
guys guaranteeing the artists a nice income and taking away any risk
from them while everybody else around, Spotify, Apple and especially the
customers are evil and drive them into suicide is just so ridiculous it
makes me mad.
No, this is NOT a good article.
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Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Master List of HD and Lossless Download Sites..
Mnyb wrote: > So a really helpful list , but a pita to search all these sites for > scraps , historically i bought a lot of stuff from amazon , a lot of > CD's that I've ripped . But I just don't want any CD's any more . Yep. Just tried a couple tonight... http://www.groovetown.com/ Can't find any downloads at all on this Universal site - looks to all be CD & Vinyl box sets... :( http://music.e-onkyo.com/contents/hd.asp Couldn't get past the sign-up screen at check out - wants a secret word to reset password and looks like it has to be in japanese I suspect (i.e. doesn't like Anglicised text in the field)... Prices are also very expensive on this site - about double what http://www.hdtracks.com is... But had some interesting albums... :( http://www.rhino.com/shop/format/Digital As mentioned won't sell to anyone outside USA. :( http://www.nonesuch.com/store The Warners site worked and let me purchase a couple of FLAC downloads (David Byrne & Ry Cooder) - billed my PayPal account then nothing else happened - no download page, no email with download links, nothing... Am waiting for their CS Team to respond to my query... :( Mycenius's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Master List of HD and Lossless Download Sites..
Rhino among others regrettably lock out non us persons . This is a dilemma for me . 1. Musicians needs to eat to so pay for the music . 2. Business that indulge in such geo restrictions for downloads should not have my money ( or anyone's money imo ) . If everyone just copied bandcamps business model and added some of search power of amazon's site and made the whole lot avaible internationally we would not have any problems . I really want to buy lossles downloads . So a really helpful list , but a pita to search all these sites for scraps , historically i bought a lot of stuff from amazon , a lot of CD's that I've ripped . But I just don't want any CD's any more . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Master List of HD and Lossless Download Sites..
RonM wrote: > I don't see www.neilyoung.com. He has an amusingly interactive store > which includes flac downloads of most releases. Hi Ron - I had a browse around last night and couldn't find any download options - just CD/DVD-A/DVD-V hard copies for sale... Am I blind or dumb...? Mycenius's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Master List of HD and Lossless Download Sites..
Hi All, Back to original post - great list - excellent effort - a lot there I haven't seen previously (i.e. knew about HDTracks, Rhino, Bandcamp, but not many others). So is there a list of which ones do global sales and which are region restricted to USA or EU? e.g. Rhino only sells to USA residents...? TIA Mycenius's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56466 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95132 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need Repair for Dead Transporter
cliveb wrote: > Just to add my 2 cents. I don't know about consumer law in the US, but > here in the UK I'm pretty sure a company is legally obliged to be able > to service their products for a reasonable amount of time. If Logitech > are still selling Transporter SEs, then they must surely have spare > motherboards kicking around for this very purpose. > > Perhaps you should ask whether they are prepared to sell you a > replacement mobo. I've been inside my own TP (to repair the IR blaster > output) and swapping in a new mobo would be trivial. I'd imagine that > the mobo itself is a minor part of the bill of materials in a TP. They don't sell the SE in Eu/Uk . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Need Repair for Dead Transporter
Just to add my 2 cents. I don't know about consumer law in the US, but here in the UK I'm pretty sure a company is legally obliged to be able to service their products for a reasonable amount of time. If Logitech are still selling Transporter SEs, then they must surely have spare motherboards kicking around for this very purpose. Perhaps you should ask whether they are prepared to sell you a replacement mobo. I've been inside my own TP (to repair the IR blaster output) and swapping in a new mobo would be trivial. I'd imagine that the mobo itself is a minor part of the bill of materials in a TP. cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95537 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
