Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
And even the analog part is relitively deterministic and one dimensional compared to the mechanical converters in the audio system ? Microphones and speakers and acoustics .( or pickups and turntables if one wants another mechanical thing in the audio chain ). With really skilled engineering you can defeat the analog problems to such low levels that it does not really influence much anymore . Take a good ADC and a good DAC you can most likely loop them 10 times trough each other without crossing the threshold of audibility . I think some sound engineer did , read a professional forum or blog years ago where someone cured his "gear anxiety" :) that must be the strain of audiophilia that can hit professionals. Yes even some people who should know better are of strange beliefs , you can probably find a lot these like in most professions. Professional only means you get paid to do it . It usually takes a skill and or training but you wonder sometimes . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
philippe_44 wrote: > As a (very) occasional reader (and even less commenter) of such threads, > I'm afraid that it's hopeless to try to give the correct explanation. > Most people do not understand the fundamental difference between > analogue and digital. As said in another thread, you can chose to > represent your binary information using orange vs apple, black smoke vs > white smoke, any sort of modulated radiowave, light (which is the same) > or any support you want, as long as you use the proper error correction > code (and theory of information give you all the mathematical tools to > chose the right one), this does not change anything. The support/carrier > does not influence the information, where in analogue it does. Indeed. The DAC is about the D in the first iteration... and any signal is the same in D, and the initial conversion to A follows the universally accepted Nyquist rule... so we have a perfect reproduction of the original signal thanks to Nyquist. Q1: Does anyone dispute that? OK. then we move on and send down the A(nalog) of the equation down the chain. OK, here things get chancier. Digital is predictable, analog is harder. Here we get into noise and signal separation and what not. Ugh. Q2: Does anyone dispute the really relevant letter in DAC is the A? And that there, it's not just about the DAC chip, but the entire A subsystem? ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 12) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
pablolie wrote: > All totally correct. We should all be aware there are far more critical > applications out there, and bit loss would be unacceptable (which is why > one also has correction and error detection codes thrown in). The stuff > works, period. And there's absolutely no way the same identical digital > frame will sound better in analog because of any characteristic of the > digital signal. It just doesn't happen. > As a (very) occasional reader (and even less commenter) of such threads, I'm afraid that it's hopeless to try to give the correct explanation. Most people do not understand the fundamental difference between analogue and digital. As said in another thread, you can chose to represent your binary information using orange vs apple, black smoke vs white smoke, any sort of modulated radiowave, light (which is the same) or any support you want, as long as you use the proper error correction code (and theory of information give you all the mathematical tools to chose the right one), this does not change anything. The support/carrier does not influence the information, where in analogue it does. LMS 7.7.5 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos 2xPLAY:1, PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBMC, Foobar2000, XBoxOne, JRiver 21, Chromecast Audio, Chromecast v1, Pi B2, Pi B+, 2xPi A+, Odroid-C1, Cubie2 philippe_44's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17261 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
arnyk wrote: > I see no evidence that Mnyb has said that he owns gear that uses a > transfer method that he doesn't believe in. > > As I understnd his older posts, the Meridian gear he owns was made and > sold long before MQA was put on the market - years if not decades. > > > > > Totally agreed. Yes 5-6 year before mqa . Meridians design are allost rational :) but its a luxury brand with posh design and eye watering prices . I got the dvda player and processor when i was still somewhat aflcted by audiophilia nervosa :/ the speakers later. Between 2004 and 2010 . Nowadays more and more brands do digital actives for home use . But not many do complete 7.1 with 24/96 tranfer to every speaker . Xover and volume is handled by the each speakers software. There seems to be no standard for this kind of setup ? The design concept makes a lot of sense . A pity that no normal priced brands got it yet ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] So they recommend Cat8 ethernet cables now!?
edwardthern wrote: > Yes I know what the topic is about. But I am asking YOU why did you > purchase gear that uses a transfer method that you don't believe in? > I see no evidence that Mnyb has said that he owns gear that uses a transfer method that he doesn't believe in. As I understnd his older posts, the Meridian gear he owns was made and sold long before MQA was put on the market - years if not decades. > > > MQA is nothing more than audiophile gimmick. Totally agreed. arnyk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=64365 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106593 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
