Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Mnyb wrote: > That's solvable for RG tags simply don't have them in these files that > fixes it for LMS where you can turn of this completely. Yes, in LMS it's not a problem at all. I use RG on PCM and not on DTS or AC-3 and life is good. I was just commenting that I'd be irked if Roon calculated RG on that material with no ability to turn it off. Maybe this is another one of those audiophile things where No Serious Listener Would Ever Want More Than Two Speakers. :) atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Julf wrote: > Considering DSD might have been a good idea in the 90's, we might now > let it rest in peace... I don't really care one way or the other about DSD, I just like discrete surround music and much of that is only available as DSD. It's on my mind more at the moment because I'm ripping my SACDs via one of the naughty methods that technically isn't supposed to exist. Since LMS can convert it to PCM on the fly, I'm leaving it as DSD. LMS can't deal with the surround DSD, of course, but Foobar2000 can convert even the 5.1 to PCM on the fly. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
I didn't disagree. Just pointing out that squeezebox wasn't cheap enough to be a no brainer for anyone when it came out, and like many things to not really take off in their lifetime it's only really thriving now because the hardware got cheaper, used. A second life, if you like. I have to say though I don't think any one hardware component is the future of music for the masses. (Other than the smartphone.) There will be no ubiquitous Squeezebox Touch 2. More likely an app that ties a bunch of existing tech together. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > Well yeah. Bear in mind squeezebox touch was, what, £300 new on release? > That's hardly cheap. And that doesn't even come with a server component > you have to build your own. $300 versus $3000 (average price of high end music streamer, often without a server component) $2,700 buys quite a lot of digital music Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
atrocity wrote: > And HDMI to output gapless 5.1 FLAC and DSD! Considering DSD might have been a good idea in the 90's, we might now let it rest in peace... "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
atrocity wrote: > It would be a disaster for those of us with lots of DTS and AC-3 in our > libraries, too. That's solvable for RG tags simply don't have them in these files that fixes it for LMS where you can turn of this completely. I suppose you can in roon ,some of that crowd is very picky about bit-perfect in the usual audiophile way ( they think the sound will be severely broken if not bit perfect ). But what does roon in depth scanning assign for volume level on a dts/ac3 file wrapped in flac or wav ? It's just noise . It's also used to generate cute vase forms in th UI ? Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
ralphpnj wrote: > 1) is the replaygain defeatable since I don't use it nor do I intend to > use it any time soon. It would be a disaster for those of us with lots of DTS and AC-3 in our libraries, too. atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > ... Let me also state, I would so hope that, over the next years, > someone picks up a next gen SB development... In my dreams, I envision > an SB OLED Touch v2 that offers... > > - HDMI output to send liner notes to TV And HDMI to output gapless 5.1 FLAC and DSD! atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
Well yeah. Bear in mind squeezebox touch was, what, £300 new on release? That's hardly cheap. And that doesn't even come with a server component you have to build your own. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > The big brand streamers make a big thing of the auto rip and tag, and > they make some effort to curate the results too. Cddb is one big > stinking mess, which is why they don't use it (not unedited anyway). > They also offer you the ability to edit/correct tags. They have thought > about it, for the stupendous money they charge you would expect them to > have done so. > > I'm thinking the Cyrus/arcam/Naim products. These are not generic dlna > products. But the entry cost is ridiculously high for these systems... > makes LMS and squeezebox look cheap. And they really weren't. All of these high end music streaming devices way, way, way over priced. Enough said. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
The big brand streamers make a big thing of the auto rip and tag, and they make some effort to curate the results too. Cddb is one big stinking mess, which is why they don't use it (not unedited anyway). They also offer you the ability to edit/correct tags. They have thought about it, for the stupendous money they charge you would expect them to have done so. I'm thinking the Cyrus/arcam/Naim products. These are not generic dlna products. But the entry cost is ridiculously high for these systems... -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
drmatt wrote: > They made room for sonos.. and each established manufacturer's HDD based > system. (Presumably all based off one supplier's chipsets and software > underneath.) The slick UI and integration of ripping and archival into > the stack helps make it a far more compelling option for most people > than the LMS approach. > > Roon i dont know much about, will take a look though, sounds > interesting. >From what I can gather LMS is one of the few music streaming systems that even attempts to manage one's music library, most of the other music streaming devices simply rely on third party music library management or brain dead mobile apps. While those "solutions" may be okay for the average user with a relatively small music collections (maybe a couple of hundred albums) for large music collections these solutions are pretty much useless, hence the need for software like Roon. As for "automatic" ripping and tagging - no thank you since these rely on the information available on the internet, which is very often incorrect or at least not the way one may prefer. Since I carefully tag or retag all music in my library I don't want some app retagging my music with incorrect information. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
pablolie wrote: > That is VERY cool. That is a major thing I miss with my library. I spent > many hours scanning the album notes so I had as much info as possible, > but of course picking the .PDFs is totally outside of LMS - it'd be > awesome to be able to get the notes along the active playlist... What do you mean by "picking the .PDFs is totally outside of LMS " ? Have a look at http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?99537-Announce-Music-amp-Artist-Information-plugin=757041=1#post757041 , Michael went on to include .pdf files as long as they are in the same folder as the tracks, but some files can be up the tree as the plugin assumes a structure of Artist / album / track. So a file called bio.pdf would be in the Artist folder and will be displayed under "Local Artwork". Now, a suggestion as to how Local Artwork can be automagicly displayed ... A camel is a racehorse designed by a committee. Seen sprayed on the outside wall of the local library - Three things I hate in life : 1. Vandalism 2. Irony 3. Lists Wirrunna's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Our Music Listening... in 10 years.
They made room for sonos.. that's all that exists really. Sad, but true. It's more slick, less featured, and more expensive. Roon i dont know much about, and intend to look at. -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106933 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Intona USB thing
foxesden wrote: > Any ideas why this might be? I had level matched before putting the > thing in the chain and it must be 10 db louder - I mean it hurt. Clutching at straws - something really bad was happening in the analogue chain via the ground connection before the Intona thing isolated the grounds. Something like one half of a differential connection somehow 'shorted' to ground somewhere... utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106914 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
