Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
It occurs to me that the OP might find answers to his cartridge query over at a forum like that at 'vinylengine' (https://www.vinylengine.com/turntable_forum/index.php). For my part, I enjoy playing vinyl - but out of convenience most of my listening is done from digital, CDs or vinyl ripped to my NAS, or just bought as downloads. Re enjoying vinyl, maybe that's an age/nostalgia thing, but it's also an aesthetic thing to do with the packaging and the requirement to look after the artist's product. Robert *Home: *Raspberry Pi 3/piCoreplayer/LMS7.9.1 with files on QNAP TS-239 Touch > DacMagic 100 > Naim Audio Nait 3 > Mission 752 (plus Rega Planar 3 > Rega Fono Mini; Naim CD3) PiCorePlayer(Pi2) with IQAudIO DAC+>Sennheisers 2 x Squeezebox Radios, 1 X Squeezebox 3 (retired), spare Pi2/piCorePlayer *Office:* LMS7.9 running on WiFi MyPassport drive > piCorePlayer(PiB)/HiFiBerryDAC > Amptastic Amplifier SqueezePad, iPeng as controllers last.fm/user/GrumpyBob Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Mnyb wrote: > I think thats the actual ritual about spining those discs, Im little > sadened that i sold all my vinyls 20 years ago :-/ > > It sometimes think about. create a retro hifi system of some kind, just > for pure nostalgia . I don't miss vinyl one bit, even though I still have my albums and my turntable in storage. I haven't used them for over 15 years, so it's time to let them go... :-) I sold my Accuphase CD player to someone not long ago. All that remains is a ripping CD player on my computer and dbPoweramp, because I still buy CDs. And then gift them. ...pablo Server: Virtual Machine (on VMware Workstation 14 Pro) running Ubuntu 16.04 + LMS 7.9 System: SB Touch --optical->- Benchmark DAC2HGC --AnalysisPlus Oval Copper XLR->- NAD M22 Power Amp --AnalysisPlus Black Mesh Oval->- Totem Element Fire Other Rooms: 2x SB Boom; 1x SB Radio; 1x SB Classic-> NAD D7050 -> Totem DreamCatcher + Velodyne Minivee Sub Computer audio: workstation --USB->- audioengine D1 -> Grado PS500e/Shure 1540 pablolie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3816 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
We have several treads on recording vinyl you do need a riaa stage or preamp or similar , not just the analog in on your computer. Maybe a better sound card if inputs on laptops reached new bottom levels . But any decent soundcards fidelity far exceeds vinyl . On topic it was some fun when I was young with 400 LPs . It would surely be unmanageable with my 4500 disc digital collection.:D here the server excels But putting on a vinyl or inserting any old fashion media means you are committed . Id sometimes tend to zap truogh my music and change my mind Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Hello, At 04:55 18/03/2018, you wrote: When I remeber my LP days it thought the low level MC cart sounded even better , bu then you need a separate MC amp before the MM input or a phone stage that handles MC directly , something that you select both gain and I put impedance . Cart also needs matching to the tonearm I mostly used Ortofon and Xyz carts back then . Problem is that that they all are are expensive and a wear out and need replacement often :/ Yeah i have never really played vin-yl -without recording it at the same time :) Maybe you rip the vinyl while having the Benz in your rig :) it will preserve the sound perfectly ( or slightly better as there will be no acoustical feedback ) The question is how to do this? Using an analogue input on a PC and audacity i dont think will turn out sounding very good. I did use minidisc being 24bit although 48khz and lossy as well. Martin Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. Benjamin Franklin (17061790) ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Ah . . but you had one, and so did I, but very sensibly *I* didn't use it. :confused: *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 -* Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - Pi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3 > HiFiBerry AMP+/retro radio *Garage* - Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22 > Edifier R980T *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 1xBoom kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
kidstypike wrote: > You didn't mention this must have :( :) > > 24731 A "must have"?!? When I used one of these devices on my turntable it seemed as if i was listening through a dirty window. In addition the entire soundstage collapsed and the tonal balance was all wrong. Not to mention that the pace of the music dragged. So did I touch all the audiophile bases? :) Here's another "must have" device: +---+ |Filename: at_at6006_safety_raiser.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24733| +---+ Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
ralphpnj wrote: > Do you mean the ritual of having to put all those LPs away after you > played them? Or having to clean the LPs before you play them? Of having > to listen a track you don't enjoy because you are too lazy to get up and > move the tonearm past the track? Or not being able to save that > wonderful mix of tracks into a playlist? > > I could go on but what's the point? I lived with vinyl for many years > and while I still believe that vinyl can sound very, very good it is > just too damn inconvenient. In other words, "ritual" is just another way > to say "inconvenient". > > When I listen to music I want ease of playing the music and not rituals. > Rituals are for religion and that is something I avoid at all costs. You didn't mention this must have :( :) 24731 +---+ |Filename: dust-bug1.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24731| +---+ *Study/Server - LMS 7.9.1 -* Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22/jivelite, 25K library on WDMyCloud, cache and playlists on a USB stick (formatted ntfs). *Lounge* - Pi 2/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 *Dining Room* - Pi3 > HiFiBerry AMP+/retro radio *Garage* - Pi3/Pi screen/HiFiBerry DAC+/piCorePlayer 3.22 > Edifier R980T *In car* - LMS 7.9.1 > RPi3/Max2Play > HiFiBerry DAC+ > car's hifi (files on a 2TB portable USB drive) *Spares* - 1xTouch, 1xSB3, 1xRadio, 1xBoom kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
ralphpnj wrote: > Do you mean the ritual of having to put all those LPs away after you > played them? Or having to clean the LPs before you play them? Of having > to listen a track you don't enjoy because you are too lazy to get up and > move the tonearm past the track? Or not being able to save that > wonderful mix of tracks into a playlist? > > I could go on but what's the point? I lived with vinyl for many years > and while I still believe that vinyl can sound very, very good it is > just too damn inconvenient. In other words, "ritual" is just another way > to say "inconvenient". > > When I listen to music I want ease of playing the music and not rituals. > Rituals are for religion and that is something I avoid at all costs. I understand what you mean and most of the time I tend to agree with the above. There are just other times when it is nice to "slow down". These are the moments I could enjoy all of the above :-) And there is a good thing about that: yes one tends to listen to the complete album and not just press the skip forward button. That also made me rediscover music too. So you see, there is something positive in everything! 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
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Pascal Hibon wrote: > Sure but that is not an equal competition. CD has the advantage; it is > the better format. And when done right should sound better no matter > what cart one uses. > I'm just amazed how good that cart plays. It is very close to CD > quality. > > Playing vinyl once and a while is more than just the SQ alone. Mnyb > described it correctly: it's also about the ritual. > The Benz cart adds a dimension to the experience since it makes my > records sound a whole lot better that the Sure does. (oeps, now I start > to sound like an audiophile...) Turntables and cartridges are an area where "audiophile" tweaking definitely can make a difference. Have a look at this cartridge mod. https://www.lencoheaven.net/forum/index.php?topic=20559.0 slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Pascal Hibon wrote: > Sure but that is not an equal competition. CD has the advantage; it is > the better format. And when done right should sound better no matter > what cart one uses. > I'm just amazed how good that cart plays. It is very close to CD > quality. > > Playing vinyl once and a while is more than just the SQ alone. Mnyb > described it correctly: it's also about the ritual. > The Benz cart adds a dimension to the experience since it makes my > records sound a whole lot better that the Sure does. (oeps, now I start > to sound like an audiophile...) Do you mean the ritual of having to put all those LPs away after you played them? Or having to clean the LPs before you play them? Of having to listen a track you don't enjoy because you are too lazy to get up and move the tonearm past the track? Or not being able to save that wonderful mix of tracks into a playlist? I could go on but what's the point? I lived with vinyl for many years and while I still believe that vinyl can sound very, very good it is just too damn inconvenient. In other words, "ritual" is just another way to say "inconvenient". When I listen to music I want ease of playing the music and not rituals. Rituals are for religion and that is something I avoid at all costs. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
ralphpnj wrote: > Why not compare the sound of an LP played using the Benz to the sound of > flac files (both standard resolution and high resolution - if available) > of the same recording streamed via your Touch. The flac files should be > sourced from either a CD rip or a digital download, in other words not > from a vinyl rip. > > That is really the true comparison because if the analog LP doesn't > sound better than digital streaming what's the point of spending money > on a cartridge. Sure but that is not an equal competition. CD has the advantage; it is the better format. And when done right should sound better no matter what cart one uses. I'm just amazed how good that cart plays. It is very close to CD quality. Playing vinyl once and a while is more than just the SQ alone. Mnyb described it correctly: it's also about the ritual. The Benz cart adds a dimension to the experience since it makes my records sound a whole lot better that the Sure does. (oeps, now I start to sound like an audiophile...) 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Mnyb wrote: > I think thats the actual ritual about spining those discs, Im little > sadened that i sold all my vinyls 20 years ago :-/ > > It sometimes think about. create a retro hifi system of some kind, just > for pure nostalgia . I never ditched my vinyl. I don't think I could. It is something I grew up with and still cherish. The artwork, the smell of the record, the fact you need to turn the record after about 20 min, etc is all part of the ritual. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Why not compare the sound of an LP played using the Benz to the sound of flac files (both standard resolution and high resolution - if available) of the same recording streamed via your Touch. The flac files should be sourced from either a CD rip or a digital download, in other words not from a vinyl rip. That is really the true comparison because if the analog LP doesn't sound better than digital streaming what's the point of spending money on a cartridge. Living Rm: Transporter-SimAudio pre/power amps-Vandersteen 3A Sign. & sub Home Theater: Touch-Marantz HTR-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Linn sub Computer Rm: Touch-Headroom Desktop w/DAC-Aragon amp-Energy Veritas 2.1 & Energy sub Bedroom: Touch-HR Desktop w/DAC-Audio Refinement amp-Energy Veritas 2.0 Guest Rm: Duet-Sony soundbar Garage: SB3-JVC compact system Controls: iPeng; SB Controller; Moose & Muso Server: LMS 7.9 on dedicated windows 10 computer w/2 Drobos 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Just have an old LP next to the deck, get it out the sleeve and drop the needle on it. While having the deck wired to start playing the flac files on your squeezebox in the background... -Transcoded from Matt's brain by Tapatalk- -- Hardware: 3x Touch, 1x Radio, 2x Receivers, 1 HP Microserver NAS with Debian+LMS 7.9.0 Music: ~1300 CDs, as 450 GB of 16/44k FLACs. No less than 3x 24/44k albums.. drmatt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=59498 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
I think thats the actual ritual about spining those discs, Im little sadened that i sold all my vinyls 20 years ago :-/ It sometimes think about. create a retro hifi system of some kind, just for pure nostalgia . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Dilemma
Mnyb wrote: > When I remeber my LP days it thought the low level MC cart sounded even > better , bu then you need a separate MC amp before the MM input or a > phone stage that handles MC directly , something that you select both > gain and I put impedance . > Yes, I've read about that topic as well. While many claim that the low output is even better I have some doubts about it because there are a few other things that come into play. A low output MC cart needs a lot higher amplification. Higher amplification means more noise; one noise component coming from the higher gain of the amplifier; but also a second component coming from the cart combined with the high gain (it picks up unwanted things who get amplified as well). I had a project on the stack to built my own phono stage. That stage has an MC and MM input. I guess I need to move up this project and start it now. Mnyb wrote: > > Problem is that that they all are are expensive and a wear out and need > replacement often :/ > Yes, that's another thing that holds me back with these expensive MC carts. On the other hand, companies such as Benz Micro and Ortofon (and a few other) offer a replacement program, usually around 20% of the purchase price, to replace the cart with a refurbished one (new tip and cantilever). The only down side about that is that you buy into a brand. Mnyb wrote: > > Maybe you rip the vinyl while having the Benz in your rig :) it will > preserve the sound perfectly ( or slightly better as there will be no > acoustical feedback ) I've though about that too. Now that I still have my friend's cart I think I'll rip one of my albums to see how that works out. I must honestly say that I was surprised by the fact that vinyl could sound this good. It still is not CD quality but it is very good. And it adds something to the sound and the experience that CD doesn't have. I can't put it into words but there is certainly something to say for vinyl. 'Cambridge Audio 851D-S' (https://www.cambridgeaudio.com/products/851/851d) -> 'Focal MP1200' (http://www.mp1200.co.nf/) -> 'Focal Electra 1028 Be' (http://www.focal.com/en/electra-1000-be-2/209-electra-1028-be-3544053695099.html) 1 x SB Boom, 1 x SB Radio, 1 x SB Touch and 2 x RPI 2B 1 x SB3 and 1 x SB Touch in storage ReadyNAS NVX running LMS 7.9.0. iPeng on iPhone, SqueezePad & iPeng on iPad. http://www.last.fm/user/phibon Pascal Hibon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7969 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=108834 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
