Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimizing Transporter SQ
michel;675033 Wrote: Doing the same thing. No need for tweaking here! 2 voices of rationality. Are we sure this is the audiophile section? :=) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=92086 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] More nonsense...
I think a Texas saying adequately describes those reviewers: they have an intellect lower than a snake's belly in a wagon rut -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90496 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Serverbox server performance
Phil Leigh;657084 Wrote: Correct. What's wrong with you guys? Don't you remember this is the audiophile forum? Of course a higher priority means better sound. Did you not get the higher part? That means high end which means better sound. And there is quantum in there somewhere. BTW, Phil, did you finish your floors? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90312 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 1900 euros + tax for digital upgrade and power supply for Duet
Harry G;654452 Wrote: If your very nice $1000 DAC is the best you've heard, you don't have a frame of reference to judge this and if you haven't heard his silly named product you certainly can't judge it. That is an idiotic statement which leads one to the conclusion you are an idiot. In the audio fool world price usually doesn't equate to SQ. I have heard 20,000 dollar plus DACs that sounded no different from the superb Transporter or Benchmark . And that is through a 70,000 plus system. I still haven't seen anyone pass a DBT showing that there is a hearable diff between competently designed DACs Competently designed is the key word here. Many audio fool dacs are poorly designed. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=90022 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DACs : unmodded Transporter vs Perfectwave DAC?
X2 , Robin -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection
Curt962;590983 Wrote: Tom...nice that you're happy with your DEQ. It's a neat box. If you have the time, you might experiment with REW (Room EQ Wizard) from hometheatershack. It's a free download, and a VERY powerful analytical tool. Therein, is a feature that will generate correction filters which REQ will then communicate to your DEQ. I never had the patience to play with it, but if you've got a giant pot of coffee, a carton of smokes, and some time...you can set this up and give it a try. As one who doesn't always sit in the hot seat...and because the sounds you hear is the result of other factors besides merely amplitudeI hold firm to my thoughts that the DEQ is best used as a broad tone shaper rather than a surgical instrument. DEQ combined with some thoughtfully considered room treatments will go far. Wishing you great results... the DEQ for me is for finishing touches.My room is pretty well treated with asc tube traps and some other treatments in the ceiling tri corners. And in reflection areas. A major improvement in bass came from special decoupling footers under my speakers. I have a wood pier and beam floor . -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83178 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection
michael123;588862 Wrote: Yes, it has to be 110 Ohm cable. I recommend Apogee Wyde Eye, these are relatively inexpensive Why audiophile quality? You're posting in audiophiles section, not in audiophiles, right? I have had megabuck cabling in my system before I wised up. I now use magnet wire for my Watt/Puppies. I still need to sell my 3,000.00 speaker cable. BTW, if I had it to do over I would buy the Linkwitz Orions/Thor subs. With amplification , Digital RC and all cabling and interconnects about 11,400.00 or a bit more for custom woods. One of the best speakers I have heard. As good as my WPs for a fraction of the cost. I have heard the 30,000.00 Nordost snake oil. No difference. It was fun to watch some audiofools swallow the koolaid due to the clever suggestions of the Nordost guys. And please don't be offended by the use of audiofool. I go in and out of that state still. I come here to come to my senses :-). I use the word for myself all the time. If I try the aes/ebu I will buy BlueJeans cable. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83178 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection
michael123;589002 Wrote: Expensive cabling does not mean that it is snake oil and garbage automatically. Margins in this segment are indeed astronomical, but this has nothing to do with sound.. I personally did not buy cables more expensive than 1500$ yet since I think it is inappropriate. Still, I respect these people who do spend on more expensive ones.. I know they do not buy brands, but rather take home for a week and listen, listen, ... Anyway, for my DEQ2496 I bought a pair of Apogee cables (as someone here recommended me) and quite happy with the results... Thanks for the Apogee recommendation. They certainly are not expensive by audiophile standards :-) And they look very well made. However, the BJ cables are 1/2 that price. I do believe any audio cable more than a few hundred dollars is a giant rip off. I also think those cable designers know this and they are fundamentally dishonest. But, hey, that's an opinion , not a fact. But it is an opinion that is saving me money :-) BTW, I'm not including Apogee in the rip off category. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83178 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best place to see my Benchmark DAC1
BTW Pat, what are you replacing the Benchmark with ? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83188 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best place to see my Benchmark DAC1
pfarrell;588695 Wrote: On 11/11/2010 11:40 AM, tomjtx wrote: BTW Pat, what are you replacing the Benchmark with ? I did it a few years ago: Slim Devices Transporter. I could not tell which was better in my AB testing, so I kept the Transporter because it looked better than separate SB and Benchmark. Pure WAF, which is important when the music room is also the living room. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ I thought I remembered you had a Transporter. Seems like you might be as bad as me about selling old gear :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83188 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best place to see my Benchmark DAC1
JJZolx;588378 Wrote: Audiogon may be the place with the most traffic, but the way the site is operated rubs a lot of people the wrong way. Shady. I'll never use it again to sell anything and would never trust a dealer who lists anything there. eBay obviously gets a lot of traffic. I'm not sure why the BIN sales or the new gear should be a concern. When I go looking for something on eBay I'm usually looking for a deal on used gear, so if there's one auction for something used among dozens of worthless BIN listings for new products, it stands out. Craiglist is fine if you live in a fairly populated area, both for ad traffic and proximity for doing a deal in person. Don't expect to list a used blender and have someone drive 90 minutes to pick it up, but a thousand dollar stereo component is different. Make sure you post photos and delete and relist your ad at least once or twice a week, as things tend to quickly scroll off and out of site. There are also a number of audio boards with free classified sections that are worth trying. Many of them just use forum software, so you can bump your ad to the top of a selling category every day or so, depending on the site policy. 'Audio Circle' (http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=109.0) 'Head-Fi' (http://www.head-fi.org/forum/list/109) 'Audio Asylum' (http://trade.audioasylum.com/ca/index.html) I would try the free forum classifieds and Craigslist first, then eBay. Oh, and expect some scam replies. It goes with the territory, but unless you just fell off the truck yesterday (or have particularly thin skin) you shouldn't have much of a problem. Another vote for those 3 audio sites. A lot of buyers there. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83188 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection
I finally took the plunge and ordered the Behringer DEQ2496. I have 4 connection questions: Do I have to use the same type of connection for the loop eg. toslinktoslink or can I go , eg. Coax to DEQ toslink back to TP? For an AES/EBU connection can I use any XLR terminated balanced cable(like my interconnects) or is their a special digital AES/EBU cable. (I don't mean audiophile quality, I have at least learned something from you guys :-) ). And, finally, I seem to remember reading about early reflections in digital cabling and that one should use cable of more than 3 feet to minimize this. Does this apply to all the above types of connections? I think that covers it. I know Robin , Phil, Opaquece and Pat will know the answers so thanks in advance. If anyone who uses the DEQ2496 has tips on using it feel free to share :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83178 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection
Phil Leigh;588256 Wrote: you can use any old cable for aes/ebu - that's what it was invented for :-) 1.5m is generally considered the min for digital cables - but I don't think it makes much difference to be honest. You should probably try out all the connection options if you have the cables. AES is usually the worst option (but not always). Thanks Phil. I have 2 toslink and 2 coax I can try. Looking at the loops menu in Transporter it looks like I can't mix 2 types of cable. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83178 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DACs : unmodded Transporter vs Perfectwave DAC?
alekz;588243 Wrote: Yes, the Bridge will make the comparison fair. No digital cables, no additional components in the path. Two more things to consider. 1. I have a maui-modded Transporter. And mods can bring a device to a completely different league. So, a more interesting subject would be *Modded* Transporter vs PWD with Bridge. 2. PS Audio recommends using Power Plant Premier with PWD, saying that you'll be amazed etc. I've already got PPP in my system and all I can say is that like having a more expensive DAC: more air, more 3D, clarity, all usual stuff. The thing is, the Transporter has become the weakest link in my system too. I thought about buying a used dCS Elgar+ (the price is pretty much comparable with PWD) as an external DAC for my Transporter, but the list of unresolved buts makes me think more than twice about such decision: o- Additional digital and power cable o- Elgar+ does not upsample o- Adding Puccini to the stack means more cables and money o- Is Transporter a good digital transport after all? o- Adding an external world clock will solve a part of the above issues but means more money o- Transporter does not understand 192kHz o- Elgar+ is a model from ~2000, Transporter (from what I understand) is about to be EOL'ed. Nothing is upgradable and future proof. So, if PWD+bridge is indeed THAT GOOD as described in various forums, this is probably the best way to go at the moment. Saying that I'm seriously thinking about borrowing a PWD with the Bridge for a couple of days. Gotta disagree with you on the mods. I heard a TP modded by them. There was no difference sighted let alone blind. Some very astute people were doing the comparison with me: a recording engineer and a high end audio dealer. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DACs : unmodded Transporter vs Perfectwave DAC?
alekz;588268 Wrote: Yes, I remember that discussion ;-) Hence I said just mods, not maui-mods (though my Transporter IS maui-modded). There are many mods available, and some of them MIGHT significantly improve (OK, change ;-) the sound. But this is for another topic. That was a lively discussion, wasn't it? :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] DACs : unmodded Transporter vs Perfectwave DAC?
alekz;588274 Wrote: One of lively discussions I should say ;P It wouldn't be an audiophile forum otherwise :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82155 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection
Robin Bowes;588278 Wrote: On 09/11/10 18:27, tomjtx wrote: I finally took the plunge and ordered the Behringer DEQ2496. I have 4 connection questions: Do I have to use the same type of connection for the loop eg. toslinktoslink or can I go , eg. Coax to DEQ toslink back to TP? For an AES/EBU connection can I use any XLR terminated balanced cable(like my interconnects) or is their a special digital AES/EBU cable. (I don't mean audiophile quality, I have at least learned something from you guys :-) ). And, finally, I seem to remember reading about early reflections in digital cabling and that one should use cable of more than 3 feet to minimize this. Does this apply to all the above types of connections? I think that covers it. I know Robin , Phil, Opaquece and Pat will know the answers so thanks in advance. If anyone who uses the DEQ2496 has tips on using it feel free to share My ears are burning... ;) Basically, Phil has answered all your questions. I'm using AES/EBU, using a pair of home-made balanced XLR cables. I bought a pair of Blue Jeans TOslink cables, but they wouldn't sit right in the DEQ sockets, and I kept getting dropouts. Eventually, I broke the flap off one of the sockets rendering it useless so I'm sticking with the XLRs! Anyone want to buy a couple of Blue Jeans Toslink cables??! R. -- Feed that ego and you starve the soul - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ Thanks Robin, Someone posted some years ago about setting up the RC. I vaguely remember 1 speaker at a time etc. I did a search but haven't found the thread yet. Do you remember that thread? Tom -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83178 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection
Robin Bowes;588319 Wrote: On 09/11/10 21:13, tomjtx wrote: Someone posted some years ago about setting up the RC. I vaguely remember 1 speaker at a time etc. I did a search but haven't found the thread yet. Do you remember that thread? There are docs on the Behringer website describing how to set up the RC. You did buy a mic as well, right? R. -- Feed that ego and you starve the soul - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ I have a fairly good condenser mike that I use for classical guitar gigs. The sound q seems good so I thought I would try that 1st. It was about 100.00 on sale. I have a friend who is a recording engineer who has some expensive mikes he has offered to bring by. Thanks for the website tip, I'll check it out. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83178 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] BE DEQ2496Transporter connection
Robin Bowes;588327 Wrote: On 09/11/10 22:15, tomjtx wrote: I have a fairly good condenser mike that I use for classical guitar gigs. The sound q seems good so I thought I would try that 1st. It was about 100.00 on sale. I have a friend who is a recording engineer who has some expensive mikes he has offered to bring by. You need a calibrated mic, ie. one whose response characteristics are known so the DEQ can adjust for it. R. -- Feed that ego and you starve the soul - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ OK, just ordered the Behringer mic. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83178 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Boom headphone out quality?
ncarver;587005 Wrote: After resurrecting my high end system and listening to that for a number of weeks, going back to using my iPod while cycling inside was quite a shocker (in a bad way). Was curious how good Boom sound through headphone jack is, as that would actually be even more convenient (wouldn't have to convert files to MP3). Anyone who cares about sound and has listened to Boom headphone out care to comment? Thanks! To put together a great portable headphone (in ear monitor) system check out head-fi.org Their newbie greeting is sorry about your wallet so beware:-) I have a 160gig Ipod Classic with all files in lossless format. If your mp3s are only 128 that could be one factor. I can hear differences blind consistently at 128. 256VBR becomes MUCH harder to identify and that's what I use on my Iphone and Ipod touch. My Ipod classicRay Samuels Shadow ampLine out dockWestone UM3X is as highly resolving and enjoyable as my home system. I have the Shadow velcro'd to the back of my Ipod. I think the earphones are the most important part of the chain. Buy the best IEMs at your preferred price point and try out 3 different file sizes of the same music: 128, 256vbr and lossless. See if you hear a difference and go from their. I realize I am offering nothing about the boom but I hope this info might be interesting. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83067 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Boom headphone out quality?
ncarver;587231 Wrote: Will check out the site. Should have stated that all MP3s are are 320k. Did tests with WAV files and even with expensive headphones could not hear a difference with iPod output. I also have some quite good sets of headphones, both IEM and circumaural. The issue is really the iPod amp quality. Check out the Ray Samuels portable amps. If you are using iems the Shadow is a great amp. I have 3 portables and the Shadow is my favorite. When an LOD is used from the bottom of the ipod the ipod amp is bypassed. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=83067 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] High definition digital vs red book
magiccarpetride;586450 Wrote: The fact still remains that all the naysayers who have so mercilessly ganged up on me here are still dancing around the crucial question I've posed above: how come these (allegedly) scientifically minded people are so engrossed in their double standards? When I report something (me being an outsider, a guy with no valid pedigree here), they all jump on me and bark about my expectation bias and how invalid my findings are. On the other hand, we see a guy who's been lauded here as being oh-so-scientific do the same thing (basically report that he's listened to the two tracks and couldn't hear any differences), and his word gets flatly taken as a Gospel? How come no one questions his expectation bias? You're right, there's no credibility to this forum, just a bunch of bullies hoping that if they yell loud enough, they will subdue their opponent. Pathetic. Generally speaking(in informal home use) if someone doesn't hear a difference sighted there isn't much point in doing a blind test. The reason for a blind test is to rule out the placebo effect when one does think he hears a diff. sighted. After all, we perform the comparison to see if we can hear a difference. Of course, if you suspect a poster is purposely not hearing a diff. that is another matter. But you should note that you are relatively new here and don't know much about the regulars here. The rest of us know that neither Phil nor the rest of the regular posters here would game the results in such a way. BTW, have you compared the files (redbook and hi-rez ) that are from the same master? You could learn something from that experience. Maybe you won't hear a difference sighted, maybe you will. If you hear a difference repeat the comparison blind. The results from such endeavors can sharpen your hearing skills and might just lead you to focus on other aspects in the audio chain. The fact is, people here have been quite patient. If you could get over your sense of being offended you could learn a great deal from the posters on this forum. BTW 2, my recommendation for Hydrogen audio was tongue in cheek. :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82870 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Pimp my audiophile Device Hain. Please advice
Adiomat;586300 Wrote: Sooo. As mentioned in some Other threats before. I had Troubles with my Integrated Amp. Now i am Looking for a good New System. I Have just One Source. My sb3. I tried the following. Sb3 plus an passive preamp from creek Audio. From there i go into two trichord 300 monos. That Sounds very very nice but maybe someone out there has a Good alternative for me. Before i spend such an amount of Money i Want to Be sure that this is a good Audio Chain. Maybe i should take a real preamp ? Or when i spend so much Money in a mono i Better spend Money into a DAC ? Yes, i Read all about attenuation :-) Any comments? Malo What speakers do you have? That would make the most difference. The efficiency of your speakers will tell you how much power you need. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82998 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] High definition digital vs red book
OK, I downloaded 24/96 files for the 1st time. (I know, where have I been?) I finally got MAX and converted flac to aiff so I could use iTunes(yes, I am lazy) The hi-rez 24/96 version of the Brandenburg Concertos by the Audiofool Consort was totally different from the St. Mortimers in the the Falls 16/44.1 version. The tempos of the 24/96 were faster, more lively and had much more PRAT that the lowly 16/44 version. I could tell the difference blind and blind drunk 100% of the time! I won't prattle on about this but I think this is conclusive proof 24/96 is inherently superior in both an audible and inaudible sense. Wake up! opaquece, Robin, Phil and Pat. This is definitive proof...of something. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82870 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] High definition digital vs red book
magiccarpetride;585706 Wrote: Good riddance. MCR, you ought to post your experiences over on hydrogen audio. I think you would really benefit from that experience. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82870 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] High definition digital vs red book
Robin Bowes;585704 Wrote: On 28/10/10 23:27, magiccarpetride wrote: There is a difference between me listening to the recording in a sort of a 'gestalt' way (where I'm listening with my entire body and soul and mind open to bask in the music), vs listening to it in a 'lab rat' mode. I detest and resent being put into the 'lab rat' position (the strictly controlled ABX experiment). Nobody is suggesting you listen to music as a lab rat. You are claiming to be able to hear a difference between the same material encoded as 16/44.1 and 24/96. There is no body soul involved in making such a distinction. Either you can hear the difference, or you can't. Listening to music in a 'lab rat' mode (i.e. under the strains of the ABX experiment) is akin to analyzing a painting by Rembrandt by using a microscope -- you may emerge from that experiment with some data, but the data you end up holding in your hand are completely irrelevant to the experience of Rembrandt's immortal art. You really do talk utter bollocks sometimes. I'm done - you can continue to live in your sweet little world as long as you like. I care not. R. -- Feed that ego and you starve the soul - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ You guys (Robin, Phil et al) have really shown an impressive amount of restraint. One can hope that MCR might someday appreciate that :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82870 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] High definition digital vs red book
Phil Leigh;585419 Wrote: OK - I have listened to the files. The 24/96 version sounds way better - even though it is 3+ dB quieter! The reason has nothing to do with it being 24/96 and everything to do with the fact that the 24/96 file has been massively (and very well) remastered. If you downsample the 24/96 file to 16/44.1, it still sounds better that then the Verve master and indistinguishable from the 24/96 version. So magiccarpetride - I completely agree with your preferred choice of master - but this has NOTHING to do with the playback format being 24/96 and everything to do with the remastering. Thank you ,Phil for making that point. But it seems that Magiccarpetride just doesn't get it or doesn't want to get it. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82870 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] High definition digital vs red book
magiccarpetride;585432 Wrote: But that's my point exactly -- they DO sound different. I wasn't debating why is that. For one reason or another, we end up with different versions that sound drastically different. Regardless of the causes and reasons governing those differences, when you get your hands on a hi-rez master, you will hear that familiar tune in a different light, offering you a different quality, a different experience, maybe even an epiphany. You may or may not prefer it to the standard version, but the differences are undeniable (as you and Phil had just corroborated). You are still missing the point. The difference you heard has NOTHING to do with one file being hi-res. It is the mastering process. Your original point was that hi-res files sound better. When Phil downsampled the hi-res file it sounded the same as the hi-res because it was from the same master. I am not contradicting myself. Honestly, please read carefully and think about what has been posted. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82870 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How much can transport mechanism affect SQ?
Robin Bowes;582000 Wrote: On 11/10/10 01:29, magiccarpetride wrote: Photography is meant to be enjoyed by people, not blown up to a very large size and then analyzed. Such experiment is at best geeky and thus useless. The use-case for the experiment was for large posters. It was not a pointless geeky experiment. You can compare for yourself. Take a fancy digital camera, the fanciest one there is (let's say something with 20,000+ pixels that retails for $10,000.00+). Go to a park, preferably on a late sunny afternoon/evening, and find a spot where the sun rays are shining through leafy trees. Face the sunny rays so that your eyes squint, and take a snapshot with the digital camera, and then from the same spot take a snapshot with a film camera. Compare the prints -- you'll see that film is way superior in retaining the extremes between bright light and shadows. Digital cannot come even close at handling such heavy and demanding contrast. Thus digital is clearly inferior to film. Similar reasoning goes for digital sound vs analog. Except that... well, as opaqueice has already suggested your understanding of these things is wrong on so many levels, and I can't be bothered to educate you. You may well enjoy your Caiman DAC, but it sure as hell ain't for the reasons you're claiming! R. -- Feed that ego and you starve the soul - Colonel J.D. Wilkes http://www.theshackshakers.com/ It is a delight to return to this forum and digest the common sense pearls of wisdom from Robin, opaqueice, snarly dwarf and Phil. I'll get my popcorn and continue to read :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82520 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
rgro;580284 Wrote: Thanks for the input. I know I'm at the point where any improvement would would be incremental, but if it would be noticeable as opposed to subtle, it'd be worth doing, I think. And, yes, there are the ancillary benefits, too. I shall await further comments/data points! Rick Rick, I think the most compelling reason to get the Touch is it's hi rez ability. If you don't have an interest in hi rez files it might not be enough of a change to be worthwhile. I think Phil is absolutely right when he said it depends on your DAC. Does Logitech offer a 30 day trial on the Touch ? That would be the ticket IMO. Anyway I hope you do try it and let us know what you think. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
Phil Leigh;580337 Wrote: I had a similar experience putting Linn Skeets under my spikes onto my suspended wooden floor when I moved house. Bass and imaging improved noticably and I had to recalibrate my room correction! Yes, I think on spongy floors decoupling is the way to go. It's interesting to learn that you had to recalibrate your RC. That seems like some objective proof for that tweak. I don't need the bass traps I was going to buy prior to the Gliders. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
Phil Leigh;580357 Wrote: Good point - It was a few years ago now, but I recall something like a 2-3dB shift in the general bass spectrum - that's quite a lot. That is a lot! That objective evidence supports what I subjectively heard. The difference was very obvious and made a significant improvement to my system. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Agggghh Transporter gone
I would certainly agree that a touch + excellent DAC can be comparable to the Transporter. However, at least in the US a smart shopper can find a used or even close out TP for as little as 900.00. That is a bargain that would be hard to match with Touch+DAC. I've heard the Perfect Wave DAC and it is a great sounding unit but wasn't better for me. If at some point I hear a DAC significantly better my TP will become an excellent transport that also looks cool :-) In the meantime the biggest improvement in my system came from Herbies Gliders underneath my Watt/Puppies. I have wood floros on post and beam and the floor is spongy. Decoupling my speakers from the floor with the gliders hade a very significant impact on the bass, midrange and imaging. It was a huge upgrade , far more difference than any 2 DACs I have ever heard. Bass way tighter, imaging kind of jaw droppingly better. Total cost was about 100.00. Well, I guess the point of this long winded post is that DACs today are so good that there are many other areas that yield more obvious improvements. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82319 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice Please
Mnyb;514455 Wrote: reality is not so malleable, under extreme circumstances black holes neutron stars ? But our *perception* of reality is very malleable :) In fact we have no direct experience of reality it's filtrates trough our senses and and brains. we have a very limited input, I would love to see the whole em band on every scale from microscopic to the really large things, but i cant. The night sky would probably be a wonder to behold. Our personal experience of life is a kind of personal fiction that is mostly paralleled to reality in the best cases, I hope mine is ? Hence the need for indirect and external methods, statistics (abx) mathematics or measurement also known as science, to establish fact's( which by nature is a temp until better one is found) . Everything else is anecdotes and is of no value to establish a fact. An anecdote is in best case an tale of your personal experience of an event, but it it only establish your experience. We as a collective can be totally wrong too ! So the sheer amount of tales does only prove a thing interesting to investigate if if's not to counter to very established facts, then it can be discarded whole sale. If I told you that gravity does not work in a small spot in my garden, you would not believe me right , no amount of single malt will change that ? Or that mpingo disc makes my SB3 sounds better ? or quantum purifiers ? Oop's I used the new posts function I did not see that this was in audiophile, I'll better run and hide. Excellent post. I agree completely. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74724 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Advice Please
Mnyb;514445 Wrote: WAV's get transcoded to FLAC by default so it uses more cpu on the server. Sound is exactly the same , no it makes no difference, *no* it really don't makes any difference ;) thats a fact. Flac support embedded artwork replay gain tags embedded cue sheets. If you for some reason forces sbs to not transcode WAV to FLAC (or have a NAS or weak server)it uses more bandwidth, with a wireless squeezebox you use approx half the bandwidth with FLAC vs WAV. This could be a deciding factor in a multi room setup. WMA lossless is only working on windows servers ? or is it a hack for other platforms. WMA Lossless gets transcoded to FLAC (or wav if you have a NAS or configured it that way). So it uses more cpu than FLAC or WAV files do. So in short if not iTunes addicted use flac. No Difference ??? This IS the audiophile forum where reality is malleable. :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=74724 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Can I please ask for a device that
ModelCitizen;487510 Wrote: Uurgh... that look Boulder receiver mod looks absolutely noddy. MC I quite agree . It's hard to believe that guy is still in business. Garage mods that sound like a garage.or sound like the lawnmower in the garage :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71613 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
JezA;486304 Wrote: Do you need to level match two pianists to make a judgement about their ability? Do you have to sit in the same seat in a concert hall to judge two performances? Will sitting close to a bad violinist make them sound better than sitting further away from a good one? No. But that has nothing to do with what I said about level matching. You are conflating the two. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
JezA;485941 Wrote: tomjtx, the Linn engineers who you call musically illiterate include guys who have made award winning classical music and jazz recordings. Why don't you get your facts right before you hurl abuse? What recordings have you made, that we may judge your competence from? What other top-end hi-fi company has made such a large body of high quality recordings? The recording engineers aren't necessarily the one's that came up with that silly PRAT terminology. Besides, they are engineers, not musicians. I have been a professional classical guitarist for over 30 years, am internationally active and have years of ear training and grad degrees. Western classical music invented a descriptive terminology hundreds of years ago that is now in worldwide use. We have a vocabulary of expression in music that has extraordinary breadth and depth. I have Doctoral, Masters and Bachelor students from all over the word and teaching them the subtle differences that exist between ,for example, a ritard and ritennuto, is part of the job. If one can name an expressive device and think it then it is easier to hear it. Learning the expressive vocabulary make one a more astute and satisfied listener. It also makes one a more discerning judge of the musicality of a stereo system. Using PRAT is akin to relying on a blind mans description of a painting. Linn would have been well advised to learn that terminology to hone their listening skills. That is , if they were sincere in their effort. It is obvious that PRAT is just another marketing gimmick to delude musically uneducated people to buy overpriced Linn gear. I have attended Linn demos. As a trained musician I find myself feeling embarased for the Linn engineers when they display there utter lack of musical knowledge. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
JezA;486200 Wrote: tomjtx .. I can't find any reference to or use of the PRAT - pace, rhythm and timing - phrase on the Linn website or in any of their marketing material. I think this was a phrase that some hifi journalists invented some years ago, and is more commonly associated with NAIM equipment. Jeza , maybe so. The Linn guys do hype prat when they give the demos I have attended. That and follow the tune...toe tapping bs. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
kphinney;486089 Wrote: Yet you still insist that I can't make a valid judgment without an SPL? I prefer to go with what my ears want, not engineers from Linn or MD PhD BA and Total BS self proclaimed experts whom have never sat in my chair. Tom for President!!! He's magic and knows all!!! Look, it is well established that we often will ascribe a qualitative difference to a difference in SPL. We perceive louder as better. If you don't equalize volume levels with an SPL you can't be sure you are not just hearing that difference rather than a qualitative diff. This is very basic. If you can't accept that then I will glady sell you snake oil and laugh all the way to the bank. It is obvious that your opinion of gear is based more on bias than any kind of minimally controlled comparisons. But hey, be an audio fool and waste your money, that is your right. You have come across with a bullying, arrogant attitude telling audiomuze he was off topic when he wasn't. You don't get to censor or control threads. That is a job for moderators. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
kphinney;485396 Wrote: Stay on topic and there wouldn't be any issue. I think it's more likely that CliveB, who was correcting the nomenclature I used to described my observations, was actually trying to get to the route of the issue and that is much appreciated. Unlike CliveB, your post, Audiomuze, began with off-topic hypotheticals insinuating that the listening environment would be a likely cause of _everyone's_ issue with the TP not stacking up to the Linn gear, then went on to insult by saying we were chasing rainbows. I agree and stand corrected; perhaps it would be better to describe the TP sound thru the tube system as a more warm, less analytical, analogue sound which I prefer with my listening style. Yet, this sound is really only produced with the TP when it is used with both an external DAC and the tube system. This is the route of my questions regarding the Majik or Akurate: Has anyone who tried the Linn gear feel it is of a higher caliber? By this I mean which gear do you feel has both a preferred listen-ability and a feel of longevity. To bring it fully around to my original question: My Rotel and Linn gear from the 70's are still supported by the manufacturer and still sound great. In You Opinion will the TP sound and support live a full 40 years into the future? He was on topic. There are many who don't agree with you about the Linn or other gear sounding better. The TP certainly doesn't reduce the soundstageyou must have a defect somewhere in your system, room or brain. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
kphinney;485735 Wrote: Apparently you are right. Maybe we should have an insult forum also. Thanks for the input Phil. I'm going to see if I can arrange an in-home for the Klimax and Akurate DSs. In the show room I agree the Klimax DS is superior, but I'm not sure if my system has a weak link that would prevent me from hearing the difference for the extra money. As of last night I can safely say the Majik and TP + Berkeley DAC are close enough to warrant another listen, but price-wise the DAC alone cost twice that of the Majik and three times that of the TP. If I could sell my Berkeley TP I could afford the Klimax but that would leave my CD Transport with out a DAC. If you don't level match with an SPL you can't make a valid judgement. If you don't do some blind listening you can't rule out expectation bias. Of course, if you subscribe to that PRAT nonsense concocted by Linn engineers who are so musically illiterate they made up an incomplete and inferior vocabulary to describe expression in music then you are beyond hope anyway :=) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Blind Testing Controversy
pfarrell;412126 Wrote: Teus de Jong wrote: discussion is that I'm afraid a lot of people won't know the difference between the sound of a real Steinway and the sometimes totally distorted version some amplifiers make of them. When my daughter was trying to get into music schools (trumpet), we recorded her playing at the home of a professional accompanist. This woman was a music professor at a nearby university, and played all the usual places (Kennedy Center, etc.). She had a full size grand piano in her living room. It wasn't a Steinway, I forget, maybe a Bösendorfer. I'll never forget the sound of her playing with me sitting on the sofa. Amazing. And no stereo that I've ever heard has replicated it. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ A few weeks ago classical guitarist and grammy winner David Russel played a concert here, he records for Telarc. He had a rare free night on his tour the next day so he and his wife came over for dinner. He brought his latest CD to give me. I ripped it and played it through the TPRowlandWatt/Puppy rig. It sounded great. However when we started trying out my guitars (I had just bought a new one) there was no comparison between live and the stereo. Someone would have to be deaf not to hear the difference. And this is just guitar. BTW, His recordings , great as they are, just don't capture the magic of his sound. We had a blast trying out guitars and some very good wine :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61877 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A/B SB3 vs Transporter
duderino, how are you level matching? Are you using your preamp to chanege the level or are you lowering the volume on the TP. You should set both the SB and TP to max volume and use the preamp to change the volume to match. You raise the noise floor if you use the digital volume and might also drop some bits depending on how low you go. My preamp can keep separate volume levels for separate inputs. When I compared TP to SB I thought there was enough dif to make it worth it. However these difs are much less than the difs between speakers. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=61686 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
It's nice to see everyone getting along so well. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Burn in time?
SteveEast;401359 Wrote: What a great opportunity for Logitech to send Mr Leigh a brand spanking new TP so he can run his Audio DiffMaker tests on it as it burns in... Steve. I 2nd that and I bet Phil would 3rd it :=) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=59381 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Considering Transporter - but how to....
Rodney_Gold;400482 Wrote: I can tell you this , if you have a Valve based CDP..like I had/have (Joldia jd100 with rolled tubes) it is unlikely you will like the TP's DAC..it is the antithesis to valve sound ...but as I say , your mileage might vary. I was unfortunate is there is no 30 day money back trial period in South Africa re the TP and I bought it unauditioned. Im not saying the TP is bad ...it just doesnt cater to MY tastes ...so caveat emptor.. IMHO the far better solution is to use a SB etc as a high end transport so you have the ultimate convenience of Hd based audio and get a DAC that caters to your preferences. Either using a tube preamp or the tubed Modwright Transporter might solve that problem for you. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60574 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
sebbe , did you level match using a SPL ? That can make a big difference. It would be interesting to see if you hear a diff. level matched and blind. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
Manelus;398648 Wrote: Magik is not better Akurate is different, not better. Klimax is better. (Tested at home, all day long) I suspect in a DBT you would be unable to identify a difference in any of those products, let alone assign a SQ judgement. It can be surprising how differences vanish when the listening is done blind. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
Manelus;398693 Wrote: It can be surprising how differences vanish when the listening is done deaf :) If you mean intellectually deaf I quite agree :-) IMO people are being intellectually dishonest with themselves if they refuse to do a blind test. Did you compare the dacs blind ? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
browellm;398752 Wrote: It does make me laugh when people blithely accept ABX blind testing as the _only_ way to critically evaluate audio components. In what sense is an ABX test anywhere near approaching the way we listen to music for pleasure? Listening to 30 second snippets of music over and over again is not going to help you determine the sonic characteristics of a DAC/amp or whatever. This is not the Pepsi Challenge! You might not like it because it doesn't conform to rigorous scientific methodology, but what is scientific about listening to music? You are making some erroneous assumptions. I didn't say it is the only way. It is the only way to rule out expectation bias. A blind test doesn't require short snippets or rapid back and forth. One should do that as well longer term listening. Longer term listening can be used to deal with the habituation to stimuli problem. There is no reason one can't do a comparison in their preferred way while doing it blind. Here is an irrefutable fact, not an opinion: One can't rule out expectation bias if one knows what component one is listening to. Being a musician, I am well aware how one listens to music :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Will a transporter sound as good as the Linn Majik DS
I have compared Transporter to both those Linn products and I don't think either one sounds better. You have to level match and do blind AB comparos( which I did) to make any meaningful judgement. People have a tendency to hear more expensive gear as being better, that's where blind listening comes in. I do like my Linn Sondek but in the digital realm they have not bested the Transporter at all. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=60169 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
pfarrell;381211 Wrote: darrenyeats wrote: Holly Cole, eh? I'll have to have a listen. I could never get excited about Diana Krall. I have a few old Peggy Lee tracks - her voice is good but her timing is the greatest. Dianna Krall is great looking. But as a singer, well, she is great looking. My stereo happens to love female singers, probably the Sonus Fabers. I'm always looking for more great voices. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ Check out Eden Atwood if you haven't already. I'm finding Rhapsody a great way to discover singers I like. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Apple ends DRM and improves quality
darrenyeats;381338 Wrote: Apologies but I got my female singers confused, I meant Billie Holiday when I wrote Peggy Lee (although the Lee link is still fab). Maybe I'm the one getting old (and crabby)? Must...hold...myself...back. :) Darren Can you distinguish between Peggie and Billie in a DBT ? If not, I submit to you they are the same person. If you disagree we can duke it out at an audio meet of your choosing (preferably in Europe ) I will write it off on my tax return as ongoing musical development :-) The 1st bottle of wine is on me. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
Great article, thanks for the link Pat. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Stone Harley - new comedy team?
NewBuyer;379852 Wrote: I wonder if sometimes, some people who have spent a great deal of money on a standalone transport, are less able to accept that a $300 device can possibly do as good of a job. Their expectations may always drive their perceptions, sometimes vehemently - so that no amount of exposure will break through this expectations barrier. Amen. If more audiophiles would use your common sense they would save a lot of money. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57441 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Empirical Audio Pace Car Reclocker Observations
Themis;375981 Wrote: I read the technical details and there's something I just don't get: If the Pace Car uses a FIFO I/O buffer, then why does it need to slave(replace?) the input SB3 clock ? The I/O buffer is not enough, thus ? I don't get it. The pace car acts as a transport mechanism. It is highly effective in transporting money from your wallet to Empirical Audio :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57107 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Empirical Audio Pace Car Reclocker Observations
Are you being paid extra to shill on Christmas ? :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=57107 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Am I imagining this? Squeezecentre 7.3 sounds worse than 7.2.1?
don a hare suit...harebrained ? What do you call 100 hares in a row taking a step backward ? receding hare line -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=56591 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Absolute Sound reviews AppleTV and Squeezebox Duet
Robin Bowes;369004 Wrote: seanadams wrote: marc0716;368308 Wrote: your right it's state your opinion forum which is all i have done... Marc, Spammers and paid shills are not welcome on this forum. Just a few minutes of research reveals your real name, address, and employer. Don't come back. Just a few seconds, in fact. #1 result in google for marc qsonix is a gushing review by Marc Menowitz, Marina Del Ray, CA Further searching leads us to various posts on audiogon + avsforum, with username marcmen: http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?ddgtl1200172577openusidzzMarcmen45#Marcmen http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbclassified.php?do=adid=6859 So, Mr. Menowitz is a qsonix dealer. Please call 323 456 7802, he says... Ooo, he's a new member of the California Yacht Club - qsonix sales must be doing well! :) R. LOL, very good sleuthing , Robin :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49614 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting Articles in The Absolute Sound
I looked at their demo. You can do all that with Slim for MUCH less money. And now qsonix can use Itouch/phone as a remote..how innovative and exclusive :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40707 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Interesting Articles in The Absolute Sound
marc0716;368291 Wrote: itunes and hifi should never be mentioned in the same sentence. WAV files from my qsonix blow anything from either of those interfaces out of the water... Nothing you have said so far is accurate. You are simply showing your rather large ignorance of computer based hi-fi. You can stream wav from itunes as well as many other formats. The transporter DAC is regarded as top of the line. Squeezecenter works seamlessly with ripped music stored in itunes and streams it to Transporter or SB3 or Duet. The user interface using slim with either the controller or Ipeng Itouch is fast, elegant and easy. If you are not just a troll , stick around and you will learn a lot, although you will face the downside of realizing how much money you wasted on the qsonix. If you are a troll (as I suspect) you wont get too far here, most everyone here knows far more than you about this subject. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=40707 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Good sound from Squueezebox
Themis;366925 Wrote: Well, personal beliefs *are* part of the listening experience, actually. :) I would even say that the whole listening process is part of a belief. We always enjoy the music imagining that the artist and instruments are right in front of us, when it's just a bunch of plastic, metal and wood moving some air all around. ;) If he considers that wav sounds better than flac and that his setup sounds better without a switch, why not ? It doesn't bother me, as long as he doesn't promote this to an universal fact. That sounds dangerously like tolerance and has absolutely no place on an audiophile forum. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55950 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Direct to power amp?
A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 Question: Direct to power amp? - Yes - No X2 on Endler, I have balanced stepped shotgun ATT -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55246 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Linear PS with Power Console?
About 2 years ago I heard a difference in my SB3 when I plugged the WW into my power conditioner as opposed to the wall outlet. It seemed to effect the same improvement I heard using the linear PSU I had bought. I am unwilling to argue that this wasn't placebo because I didn't do this particular comparo blind. However the improvement seemed pretty obvious and that's why I didn't bother with blind testing. I concluded I didn't need the linear PSU if I had a good power conditioner. If I had to do the comparo again blind I don't know if I would hear a diff. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=55364 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Optimal Configuration
Ferris wheels sound much better than ferris rings. Now, seriously, try running the TP directly to the amp w/o the pre in the chain. For listening to music only Use the internal jumpers for attenuation and use the TP volume control. IMO, that will give you the best sound and you owe it to yourself to hear just how good that is. When you need the preamp use the xlr and bypass the dac in your preamp (if it has one) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54903 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
alekz;359164 Wrote: Yes, your post being extremely rude indeed crossed the line and was one of the reason why the whole thread was locked. alekz, I don't think his post was rude at all. It was humorous. It might help you to grow a thicker skin if you want survive most audiophile forums. Audiophiles can be a cantakerous lot. :-) Certainly egd's response was not a personal attack or rude to the level of a bannable offense, IMO, YMMV etc. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
alekz;359359 Wrote: Especially in that context (just reread the thread) it did not look humorous. BTW, look at what just happened. As soon as the forum owners came up with new rules, people began to dig out their own offensive posts and publish them again: See? That was not rude! That was normal. Nothing offensive. Will I be banned for such posts? I think this behaviour says enough. And no, this forum does not look like most audiophile forums. And yes, it needs to be properly moderated. Politeness and tolerance are not bad things at all. I think we will have to agree to disagree. An overly moderated forum stifles the free flow of ideas , IMO. Calling someone a liar, hypocrite, or worse shoudn't be tolerated but I see no evidence of that in the post you reference. Censorship is less palatable to me than someone calling me names. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Themis;357835 Wrote: If we can't talk politics anymore in the Audiophile section, where does this world go to ? I wonder. Vote for... ah, pity : it's over, already... :) Oh well, next time. I mean, I'm probably mistaken, but it seems we've spent too many posts already talking about things that are basic, and obvious to anybody : no personal attacks in these forums. As Mike reminded us. I see nobody disagreeing really. Moreover, I don't think that in *any* forums this simple rule has been used to abusively ban anybody. So, I doubt there's a risk it will happen here. BTW, I agree with Nonreality: it was quite an election, really. It made me really proud having American friends. :) I have been getting emails from friends all over the world. This has been a historic election. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] non-audiophile audio enthusiast?
Themis;357776 Wrote: Audiophiles don't hear : they just imagine things, based on the air displacement coming out of their speakers... ;) I think that is the best definition I have ever read , er, imagined, visualized -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54791 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Can we attack someone minus hominemally ? -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] New Rules
Skunk;357527 Wrote: I don't think so, but you could pull out the inverse ad hominem: he has spent a fortune on that stereo, so I believe him when he says the cables make a difference LOL, excellent suggestion. Under dictatorial regimes the rabble must find subtle ways of expressing themselves :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54775 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
Good solution, Mike, much better than thread locking. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
Although we might all agree that harmonic calling me a liar and hypocrite was a personal attack rather than a cultural or linguistic misunderstanding :-) I think the mods will be able to distinguish between such obvious and egregious infractions and good natured humor. I mean, just look at Mike Valera's pearly white smile , he's gotta be laughing most of the time. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
I compared the Linn to my Transporter in my system. I preferred the Transporter. There are a lot of Linn flat earthers that can't comprehend that something else can sound just as good or better. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
harmonic;356635 Wrote: As predicted when somone hears somthing that sounds better then the transporter tom returns. And I dont beleive you one bit, i dont think you would ever compared them , it would not be in your interrest since you allready are found all over the internet on your imbaresing -the transporter is THE best in the world period- quest. The fact is that the dealer have the Sneaky ds and Transporter set up so you can compare for yourself , and all the customers had chosen the sneaky as the best sounding unit , but som chose the transport for its userbility. The last refuge of the intellectually deficient is to call someone a liar. Thank you for revealing your lack of character, harmonic. BTW, when are you going to work on your spelling :-) We have a Linn dealer here and BTW I have a full blown Linn table. So I am not anti Linn per se. Linn demos are dominated by gullible Linn devotees so it doesn't surprise me that crowd would prefer any Linn product. The simple truth is that DAC technology has improved so much that there are many reasonably priced high end contenders out there. There is no need to limit oneself to the Linn line and ideology to get great sound. I'll take a Lavry, benchmark , Transporter or Ayre over a Linn. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
Phil Leigh;356678 Wrote: Hey Tom - careful with those sweeping generalisations! :o) I've heard the Klimax DS, Akurate DS and Majik DS (but not the Sneaky) and I have to say they do all sound excellent. They are also expensive. OK Phil :-) I think the Linn stuff sounds excellent as well. I do tend to prefer the sonic sig of the other dacs . Hence my saying I would choose those products over Linn. Of course: IMO, YMMV, HHTE (harmonic has tin ear) etc. :-) I do think the linn gear does not offer good value, for my ear at least. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
I knew that voting Obama would mean most of us would live in harmony , not harmonic :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter compared with Linn Sneaky DS
harmonic, you need to calm down, you are going to give yourself heart problems :-) Your personal attacks are untrue and out of line. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=54622 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SliMP3 audio quality
seanadams;350096 Wrote: Since there are so many of us, you need to use all y'all. careful, Sean, you are sounding like a Texan. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=53806 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter vs modded duet + monarchy nm24 dac?
jhm731;343908 Wrote: I agree, the Bolder mods are an over priced joke. He thinks you need his $300. DC cable to connect his $1800. PSU to his modified SB3.;-) Unfortunate for the wallets of Bolder fans. But humorous for the rest of us :-) It is amazing the price some will pay for shoddily built gear that doesn't improve the sound. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52999 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] transporter vs modded duet + monarchy nm24 dac?
I auditioned a full modded Bolder SB and a Transporter. I bought the Transporter, it was far more musical. I also fed the bolder into a Lavry DAC, still preferred the TP. The Bolder mods are a waste of money, IME. Just get a good jittter rejecting DAC with the duet if you don't get the TP. In my Headphone system my TP feeds a DarkVoice 337 amp AKG701, Sen 650 and others. The headphone amps in most DACs won't be as good as a separate. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52999 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is there THAT much difference betweeen SB3 ran through quality DAC and Transporter?
Pneumonic;343770 Wrote: Here is my experience. I just recently bought a Transporter so that I could stream the oodles of hi-rez needledrops that I have made over the years along with some of the 24/96 recordings that I have d/l. I also have a couple of SB3's paired up with external DAC's. My primary DAC is an oldie goldie Roksan 2 piece (DA1 DAC/DS4 PS) setup. I also have a 2nd DAC (COEM modified Lite Audio DAC AH) paired up with my other SB3 in my office rig. I'm ethernet wired. I have all 3 now connected to my main rig which consists of Martin Logan CLS II speakers, a Sonic Frontiers SFL-2 pre amp and a S.A.R. Labs MOS 450 power amp. I also have a Modwright Sony SCD 777ES CDP for SACD/redbook playback comparison. Cabling is all Cardas GS. Dedicated mains line with EquiTech conditioning and Oyaide receptacles. Dedicated listening room 19.5 x 21.5 x 9. Comparing the SB3/Roksan unit with the Transporter, both connected to the Sonic Frontiers pre, I found the SB3/Roksan to sound much more laid back and musical sounding while the Transporter was very detailed and resolving. I found the Transporter to have a bit better dynamics and to be better in the higher frequency extremes though it could sound a bit harsh with certain material. I found the SB3/Roksan to have a more pronounced and lusher midrange. Not surprising since the Roksan is noted for having a very analog sound to it. Both setups are very enjoyable but sound slightly different to my ears. The COEM sounded similar to the Roksan but maybe slightly moreso like the Trasnport in the detail side of things. Not much difference really. Last night I bypassed the Sonic Frontiers pre and plugged the Transporter directly into the SAR Labs and had a listen. Much brighter sounding, bordering on too bright. Punchier sounding no doubt but unpleasant to listen too overall because of the brightness. But this is probably largely the result of the sonic characteristics of my amp and speakers which can brutally revealing, to a fault even. With this amp/speaker combo you really need a tube component in one of the amp stages to act as a treble tone control. It would be interesting to try this same comparison with my Sonic Frontiers power amp in the equation so that the Transporter plugs in directly to it. Maybe next week I'll give this a whirl. I thought the TP was bright at first too. Try listening only to the TP direct to amp for a few weeks until your ears become acustomed to the higher resolution and detail the TP provides (which some may think is brightness). That's what I did and when I put back my SF2 pre (like yours) I thought the SFpre was too dark, muddy and lacking in detail . My Rowland pre was better, but still I prefered the TP direct to amp. I found this same diff with my SF DAC which was updated , and new tubes etc. Both the SF pre and DAC are unused in my closet now. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is there THAT much difference betweeen SB3 ran through quality DAC and Transporter?
Pneumonic;343794 Wrote: Out of curiosity, Tom. What tubes are you running in the SF? I don't remember. I'll have to look when I get home but I think they are harmonix gold? They are not fancy NOS. I hadn't listened to that pre amp in years and got it out last year for fun but decided not to use it. I have NOS in my DV337 headphone amp and I love the tubes. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
opaqueice;342744 Wrote: They're both from Islay, and as such they have some things in common (they're both pretty smoky, for example). To my taste, Lagavulin is more complex and interesting, but not as well-balanced as Bowmore. I always thought it (Lag) tasted salty, like sea water. Bowmore, particularly the 18 yr I just got, is sweeter and smoother. My overall favorites remain Caol Ila and Talisker :). But did you compare these with a SmBT (single malt blind test) Inquiring minds want to know :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
opaqueice;341571 Wrote: Just picked up a bottle of the Bowmore 18 ($60 - not bad, eh?). It's beautiful. Finally, we are talking about important things :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Its been too quiet on this board
gandt;339148 Wrote: So I thought I'd post the good news that you can now upgrade your Duet - at least in the UK 1st4audio will mod your duet - I quote from the description of the work they will perform on your duet (see their ebay.co.uk site for more info) The Digital Upgrade Starting with the DC input we install a Bybee Slipstream Quantum Purifier to reduce noise on the incoming power supply rail. The DC input rail is bypassed with a general purpose capacitor, this is upgraded to a Sanyo OS-CON SP type. OS-CON capacitors are characterised by lower ESR and ability to handle higher ripple current than their wet electrolytic counterparts. Low ESR is so important in electronics because the lower the ESR the faster the capacitor can discharge. This is a great benefit because it means the capacitors can respond faster to current transitions. The digital upgrades continue with improvements to the local decoupling for the clock DSP circuitry, the stock unit uses only surface mount capacitor to decouple the data processing and logic chips so we add OS-CON decoupling to lower noise and improve transient response. For the digital output itself it is back to the Bybee filters where we add a Slipstream Quantum purifier at the digital output to improve the quality of the digital signal. The finishing brush strokes are made by installing Sontech SFRT-AL resonance control. This is a specially designed visco-elastic material which removes vibrations across a wide bandwidth ensuring the sensitive components inside the Duet are free from noise. Price = £119.62 This will apparently result in: Switch to the digital output in to an external DAC and the improvements in sound are clearly manifest. Similarly to the analogue outputs, here we find a marked reduction is noise in favour of a more open, cleaner and sweeter sound. Detailing is also better, you are able to hear sounds that were previously buried in the mix, the music being more relaxed, less grainy, less strident. Improved detail. Anyone had it done and care to comment... gandt This is clearly inferior to my quantum aural mod PayPal me 500.00 and call me. I have a quantum incantation which I speak in quarks through the phone system. There will be a profound improvement to all your audio gear. If you have Skype and 200.00 more I can do the visual quantum clarity tweak which will improve things even more. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52478 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Pneumonic;339234 Wrote: Must be an age thing, Tom. Early on in my life at this hobby, when I was going through equipment like my older brother was going through girlfriends, it was all about the show. 30 years later, I'm just happy my ears work as they used too. It looks like you have a great sounding system nevertheless :-) I've always loved MartinLogans -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Pneumonic;339028 Wrote: Frankly, I'm not worried about getting an agreement from you or anyone on this. I'm just attempting to describe to whoever is interested what differences in the formats I am able to hear. What they make of this info is entirely up to them. I certainly can't comment on what their system can reproduce relative to mine because I'm not there to listen to their rig not that it would matter anyhow because I have no way of determining what a persons ears/mind does with the info that they receive from said system. Your obviously not an audiophile. Audiophiles are far too neurotic to be unconcerned about getting everyone to agree with them :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Virtual Dynamics Power 3 2000% Profit Margin
DeafCat, If you didn't do a blind comparison you can't rule out expectation bias. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45323 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is there THAT much difference betweeen SB3 ran through quality DAC and Transporter?
Phil Leigh;334624 Wrote: but squareloop clearly isn't a Linn cultist, since he has non-Linn gear... hmmm, well , I guess I'll have to let him live then :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is there THAT much difference betweeen SB3 ran through quality DAC and Transporter?
Themis;334407 Wrote: *caughs* He says he prefers the Kinos sound, I don't see what blind tests could do against that. Or, you probably mean that you did this bind test yourself (the TP vs the Linos dacs) and that you preferred the TP ? :) I meant that in a blind test he likely could not tell the difference. Expectation bias is very powerful, especially among the linnie cultists. BTW, I have a full blown LP12 so I am not anti Linn, just anti Linn Loonies. :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] is there THAT much difference betweeen SB3 ran through quality DAC and Transporter?
Squareloop;334028 Wrote: I will give you my experience. I have the Transporter, and I have several SB3's. I have two DACs, although the DACs are built into surround processors - a Bryston SP2 and a Linn Kinos. Everytime I try, the DAC built into the Transporter is not as good as the DACs built into the Bryston or Linn. And it is most noticable on imaging and top end clarity. In addition, feeding the SB3 into the Bryston or Linn built in DAC, is better than the Transporter DAC driving the Transporter balanced analog outputs. As always, getting this level of performance costs money, and the Bryston or Linn is much more expensive as a DAC compared to the Transporter. I can't comment on any standalone DACs. I like my Transporter, but its digital output feeds my Linn Kinos, which results in the best quality. I use an SB3 into the Bryston, and it is great. May not be a popular opinion here, but I think the Transporter DAC could stand some improvement. Square I'll sell you my Transporter for 5,000.00 more than the cost of your linn and then I'm sure you will think the TP sounds better. Do a blind test, it will open your ears. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=50428 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
Phil Leigh;333993 Wrote: Hurrah! Group hug Move on... A Brit advocating a hug? I am sorely disappointed in you, Phil. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is It Just Me...
those senn's would really benefit from a good headphone amp. The Meier Arrieta is under 300.00 and would make those senns sing. OTOH , good headphone listening can be addictive and you will just want to spend more money on bettter phones, better amp,then universal IEM's for when you want to tune out the family and travel, but then you need a portable amp and then a trip to the audiologist for ear impressions because custom IEMs just have to be better, then decide on Livewires, FreQs , UE's, Westones. spend a year on head fi researching, and finally go bankrupt :-) On second thought you better sell those cans, at 10% off retail some head-fier will buy them fast. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51508 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 320kbps Mp3's on a hi-fi system....
harmonic;331737 Wrote: Well I really dont want to get into somkind of pointless internet argument espicialy knowing the nature of this forum . But Yes i have atended abx tests several times . Im studing A level psychology at the moment and one of the my studys is the brains ability regading ABX tests. Well you do use music when you preform a ABX test . Having been around music makeing both active as well as studying it i think its pretty safe to say that music is basicly emotions with sound. The better a componet is the better it is at comunicating thise emotions out, In a ABX test this goes right out the window when you hear it over and over again, and thats just the tip of the iceberg why ABX tests dossnet work with sound. No, Harmonic, music is not emotions with sound. An accurate definition of music would be : organized sound existing in time The hearing of this organized sound usually will evoke emotions in the listener as well as invoking analytical elements especially in trained musicians. I would go on to say that it invokes serious neuroses in audiophiles :-) Didactically yours, Tom -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51021 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Start Small or Jump to Transporter?
Hi Struts, Nice to see you over here :-) -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=51311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
darrenyeats;331006 Wrote: Indeed. How do you measure the influence of branding? Darren Bravo.. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
I don't understand why anyone would want to be branded. It's quite painful. Just listen to the cows complaints. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] What DAC to use?
harmonic;330267 Wrote: You most really have a borring life. No, MC has has a sense of humor. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49316 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
