Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2 weeks without LP's!
Of course the final spanner in the works comes from Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle :o( -- morris_minor morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Robin Bowes;294595 Wrote: darrenyeats wrote: You should try the ModWright brain upgrade...it blows away stock imagination. Valves get a bit warm though. That statement is completely invalid without double-blind testing. Make sure you insert forks in *both* your eyes before imagining and report your results, please. R. My initial impressions were AAARGHH!! MY EYES!!! ROBIN YOU SON OF A...!! Blind testing was way too stressful so I just imagined. I like my imagination with the new valve mod - amazing liquid highs which complemented the six double brandies brilliantly! I'm sure the improvements to the imaginary music are real and not just in my head. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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darrenyeats;294995 Wrote: My initial impressions were AAARGHH!! MY EYES!!! ROBIN YOU SON OF A...!! Blind testing was way too stressful so I just imagined. I like my imagination with the new valve mod - amazing liquid highs which complemented the six double brandies brilliantly! I'm sure the improvements to the imaginary music are real and not just in my head. Darren I would think that while double brandy listening test may not be quite as reliable as a double blind listening test, it must sure as hell be a lot more fun. Plus no painful forks in the eyes are required. In fact, careful and frequent use of double brandies would go a long way in helping to relieve the lack of an analog playback system. Luckily in the Netherlands there is another way to safely and legally relieve the pain of no LPs but it does require visits one's local coffeeshop every now and then. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj;295122 Wrote: Luckily in the Netherlands there is another way to safely and legally relieve the pain of no LPs but it does require visits one's local coffeeshop every now and then. Yes, you are completely right, if you want to find an all digital audiophile here in the Netherlands, go look for them in a Coffeeshop, they are always there relieving the alienated pain of not having vinyl. They say the therapy actually does work, however it only last a few hours; the only permanent cure is, well, you all know...to buy a hansom LP playback system. -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, Nagra VPS phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Nagra), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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GuyDebord;293729 Wrote: Nice thought, or it could also be because the medium is more involving, you have to do far more things than pressing a button from your couch... But this is precisely part of the experience of vinyl. However, ultimately, the sound that comes out of an LP caresses your ears while you listen, and that is less fatiguing anyhow. I agree with behaagensen, it is necessary to pause in-between records with any Slim Device... Well, if the vinyl ritual increases musical involvement, we should make it even more eccentric and difficult. Maybe if we recited Chaucer - backwards - in Polish - while cleaning our LPs it would be even more involving. And you guys really pause between albums during Squeezebox playback? Why not go one better and pause between Side A and Side B? -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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darrenyeats wrote: opaqueice;294348 Wrote: Voice!?! Sounds?? Heard through all that nasty air, ear wax, etc.?? True Audiophiles don't need any of that - they just imagine the music! You should try the ModWright brain upgrade...it blows away stock imagination. Valves get a bit warm though. That statement is completely invalid without double-blind testing. Make sure you insert forks in *both* your eyes before imagining and report your results, please. R. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I can't believe that a thread on about analog versus digital has 1) taken over 30 posts before the first mention of DBT (and not even a serious one at that) and 2) has not completely deteriorated in a flame war. I believe that says something very nice about this forum or maybe not. My personal take on the analog versus digital debate is rather simple and please excuse me if you've heard this before: Analog: excellent recording medium, so so playback medium and terrible storage medium. Digital: terrible recording medium, good playback medium and excellent storage medium. Too bad no one has yet found a way to make a digital/analog hybrid medium which is excellent in all areas. As for two weeks without vinyl - laughable. I've been living n the Netherlands since August 2007 with my Transporter, Squeezboxes and SqueezeCenter while my Linn LP-12, my record collection and most of other audio equipment (such as my Sim Audio pre and power amps and Vandersteen speakers) are back in the US. Now if only there were better implementation of meta-data within SqueezeCenter I just might not miss my LPs so much. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Good grief, I'm in the same boat as ralphpnj, work takes me abroad, and my complete system is a rarely visited treasure waiting for me in the UK. Not just my LPs, but my transporter too await my loving attention on my infrequent trips home. Although my son does get to play with the tp :) And what do I have to salve my musically bereft heart? An iPod :( -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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bigfool1956;294678 Wrote: Good grief, I'm in the same boat as ralphpnj, work takes me abroad, and my complete system is a rarely visited treasure waiting for me in the UK. Not just my LPs, but my transporter too await my loving attention on my infrequent trips home. Although my son does get to play with the tp :) And what do I have to salve my musically bereft heart? An iPod :( That's the beauty of the music server approach - one is now able to take along a very large (digital) music collection with just a few relatively small items: A computer (even a laptop will do), a router, an external hard drive and a SqueezeBox. Sure beats the heck out of trying to transport several hundred, or in my case, several thousand, CDs. The big problem is that solution doesn't work for vinyl. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ralphpnj;294628 Wrote: Too bad no one has yet found a way to make a digital/analog hybrid medium which is excellent in all areas. Of course, when you take it to extremes even analog is quantized - after all an atom has a finite size and the groove in a piece of vinyl is defined by the arrangement of atoms. All you need is a high enough bit rate to model that perfectly. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Not to mention the crystalline structure of the the tape coating. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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That's a good one! :) -- ymilner ymilner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1370 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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kittens, Dude... -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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A potential reason for the OP to be suffering the issues is system synergy. I remember a few years ago visiting a chap with a Linn/Naim system. Have to say that he played some vinyl, and it was jaw droppingly good. He then cued up his Naim CDX, which virtually ripped my ears off. Truly awful. I didn't understand why until I'd listened to a bunch of other systems. My opinion now is that the two mediums do tend to sound different. The result can be that if you optimise your systems for LP replay, then CD most certainly WILL sound ghastly. Of course the same is true the other way around. The only solution for multi-format users appears to be to get an LP spinner that is similar in presentation to a CDP (e.g. some of the Gyrodecks). -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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tyler_durden;294162 Wrote: The ultimate technology of which I speak was developed by none other than Thomas Edison. Edison cylinders... bah! Kids these days, with their new-fangled junk! Listen to this, recorded in 1860 using a stylus and some paper blackened with lamp smoke while Edison was practically still in diapers. It's a little noisy (but that won't bother a true audiophile), but listen to that PRaT... http://graphics8.nytimes.com/audiosrc/arts/1860v2.mp3 -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice wrote: Edison cylinders... bah! Kids these days, with their new-fangled junk! Recordings, junk. Hire a musician, tell them to play, listen. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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You hear that whoosing sound above your head?... -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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pfarrell;294305 Wrote: opaqueice wrote: Edison cylinders... bah! Kids these days, with their new-fangled junk! Recordings, junk. Hire a musician, tell them to play, listen. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ Hire ??? You revolutionary libertarian. Own one. Or, even better, own a couple of them, call them an orchestra and then own a composer to get them some work. Feed them as much as needed to survive and you'll be surprised with the results. Sound produced by the musician in fear for its very existence makes a HUGE difference. K -- slimkid The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will improve. DVD performance will also increase substantially. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iAj2aPdQnk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvMNuuFSvN0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDRhRv4q_SI http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlrpe8Ig5m8 http://youtube.com/watch?v=dC9tGlwPln8 slimkid's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8881 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Instruments! My goodness who needs those new-fangled pieces of junk. Stick to the pure voice, anything else is just artificial. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13782 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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bigfool1956;294321 Wrote: Stick to the pure voice, anything else is just artificial. Voice!?! Sounds?? Heard through all that nasty air, ear wax, etc.?? True Audiophiles don't need any of that - they just imagine the music! -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;294348 Wrote: Voice!?! Sounds?? Heard through all that nasty air, ear wax, etc.?? True Audiophiles don't need any of that - they just imagine the music! How would the speaker placement be in their imagination? -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, Nagra VPS phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Nagra), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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If you're imagining music, who needs speakers? [This thread's got a bit existential IMO :o)] Suffice to say - those of us who like, and care about vinyl reproduction can do so happily in the knowledge that flat-earthers don't know what they're missing - especially those who confuse the odd pop or tick from an LP as the spawn of the devil . . . -- morris_minor morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I don't get the whole love of vinyl either. I guess in some ways I do kind of miss the ritual of all the album playing procedures, but I like the accessability of digital much better. It just strikes me funny that in all the efforts to get everything bit-perfect, the things we're still clinging to are the devices that seem color it to a degree. Just MHO! -- Kurt Kurt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2153 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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opaqueice;294348 Wrote: Voice!?! Sounds?? Heard through all that nasty air, ear wax, etc.?? True Audiophiles don't need any of that - they just imagine the music! You should try the ModWright brain upgrade...it blows away stock imagination. Valves get a bit warm though. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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When I'm not listening to my Edison cylinders, I like to make music, too. I like the sound of bones against rock. I used to like the sound of bones against my dinner's skull, but the neighbors complained to the police about all the missing dogs in the neighborhood so I decided it was time for a change. TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Well recorded vinyl can sound great; well recorded CDs can sound great. The key is WELL RECORDED. Many vinyl albums have problems, just as many CDs do. IMHO vinyl itself is not the magic, nor are CDs; it's the recording and mastering process... There are a few recordings, irrelevant of the medium, which possess the magic, there are many average recordings, and there are far too many poor recordings... -- Timothy Stockman Timothy Stockman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8867 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Timothy Stockman wrote: Well recorded vinyl can sound great; well recorded CDs can sound great. The key is WELL RECORDED. Many vinyl albums have problems, just as many CDs do. And all of the mastering engineers and recording engineers want to make them sound great. But the pointy haired bosses at the labels, and clueless group managers, use the golden rule: he who has the gold, rules. -- Pat Farrell PRC recording studio http://www.pfarrell.com/PRC ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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All you vinyl heads are dead wrong. Your new-fangled gizmos such as vinyl LP records, magnetic cartridges, diamond styli, electric motors, etc. are compromises of the infinitely superior shellac recording technology that preceded them. And those are compromises of the one, true, high-fidelity medium ever produced for mass consumption. The ultimate technology of which I speak was developed by none other than Thomas Edison. My 100+ year old Edison Standard model B cylinder record player beats the pants off all the compromise technologies that followed. Analog recording from start to finish, with NO electronics to get in the way and muck up the sound. Combine those attributes with the constant radius, constant linear velocity of the disc playback, the medium- stearate wax, and the spherical sapphire pick-up and you have the best 2 minutes of recorded audio you have probably never heard. And we all know from experience that 2 minutes is the optimum match to the human attention span. Not too short to rouse one's interest without bedding it back down, and not too long that one will fall asleep part way through the performance. 40-50 minutes on a single LP/CD? Ridiculous! Variable velocity/radius on a disc medium? Nonsense! Electronics between the instruments/singers and the recording medium? Poppycock! Electronics in the playback chain? Foolishness! All compromises on the best system ever developed. I should also point out that the Edison cylinder system is as green as can be. A wind up motor and no electricity. Zero carbon footprint! TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Oh yes! I need my vinyl fix! Just the physical act of carefully removing an LP from its sleeve and placing it on the turntable is pleasurable. Could never say that for a CD (which is why I've taken to my Squeezebox so easily - and will be installing a Duet later today :o). And the sound - I agree, it is less fatiguing. Even with, perversely, FLACs of vinyl . . . It all comes down to, IMO, psychology and the way our brains interpret signals from our senses. Which is why audiophilia is such a can of worms! Bob -- morris_minor SB3 Sonifex RB DAC1 Musical Fidelity X10v3 Sudgen Headmaster Sennheiser HD 595 Michell Gyrodec SE DC [Tecnoarm, Goldring 1042] Graham Slee Era V Gold [Sugden Headmaster] . . . Pioneer DV565 universal player, Panasonic DVR, Yamaha DSPAX750SE, Kef Cresta 30 (fronts), Tannoy Profile 633 (rears) Mac Mini [1.83GHz, 2Gb], Iomega Minimax 500Gb, LaCie Ethernet BigDisk 1TB, D-Link DSL604+, M-Audio Transit USB, Audiolab 8000A, Monitor Audio M2s Crappy old PC - 1GHz Athlon morris_minor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I sold my Micro Seiki 2 years ago, along with my record collection, but yes, I too miss the warm distortion from time to time. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Carlsson OA50.2 Sennheiser HD580 Precision Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Well you asked for it. :) I think vinyl is laughable. Utterly ridiculous. The last time I heard a turntable was at a hi-fi show a few weeks ago. A piece of classical music was playing and as soon as the pops and crackles started I walked out of the room directly. Totally off-putting and just unacceptable for realistic reproduction. Maybe not all vinyl makes that noise, but the fact a vinyl loving exhibitor thought THAT was acceptable speaks volumes about the tunnel-hearing vinyl crowd. Maybe if there was an analogue format that didn't have glaring and frankly anachronistic short-comings then I would give it a second listen. This is only IMHO and I realise YMMV. [Blows smoking pistol barrel] :) Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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darrenyeats;293610 Wrote: Well you asked for it. :) I think vinyl is laughable. Utterly ridiculous. The last time I heard a turntable was at a hi-fi show a few weeks ago. A piece of classical music was playing and as soon as the pops and crackles started I walked out of the room directly. Totally off-putting and just unacceptable for realistic reproduction. Maybe not all vinyl makes that noise, but the fact a vinyl loving exhibitor thought THAT was acceptable speaks volumes about the tunnel-hearing vinyl crowd. Maybe if there was an analogue format that didn't have glaring and frankly anachronistic short-comings then I would give it a second listen. This is only IMHO and I realise YMMV. [Blows smoking pistol barrel] :) Darren Dear Darren, I agree with you that pops and crackles are inconvenient, but the truth is that vinyl lovers are more than prepared to live with those seldom annoyances just for the real and incomparable pleasure vinyl gives 99% of the time. As with digital you have to live 100% of the time with fake sound floor and digital sounding lows and highs, among its other problems. Playing vinyl has become a pleasurable ritual for me, from the selection of the album, removing it from the sleeve, looking at the album art, cleaning it, turning on the TT, brushing the stylus, fixing the record clamp, lowering the arm, LISTENING, repeating steps to change to the B side, LISTENING, removing the clamp, the record, and putting it back into the sleeve... So yes, maybe vinyl is more difficult and inconvenient, but usually it is from the most difficult things that we get more pleasure out of. Of course I dont play vinyl all the time, when I have friends in or my family is in the room, when I want to play music that was not released on vinyl or when Im exhausted I have the Transporter, which also gives me great listening pleasure, but I realized that this pleasure last max 2 hours. You should give it a try, audio shows are the worst place to audition equipment, go to your dealer and seat quietly in the audition room, and then Im sure you will begin to understand why digital just hasnt cut it...yet.. -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, Nagra VPS phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Nagra), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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GuyDebord,you poor soul! only two weeks and you'll be back in audio Nirvana. consider yourself fortunate to have the Transporter as an audio substitute stand in!. i too have a vinyl front end here (LP12);which i enjoy. each of the formats have their up/down sides,but isn't it great to have the choice.i'm sitting here listening to Aladdin Sane via the Transporter and IF i could be bothered i could get the Vinyl copy out..but then i'd have to move from this comfortable seat...Lazy Barsteward that i am!. ENJOY THE MUSIC! Dennis -- dennis55 dennis55's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8884 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2 weeks without LP's!
No doubt about it Vinyl sounds far better - even with the odd click! However, as for less listening fatigue, I have often wondered if thats because we get a break have to get up every 15/20 mins or so to change sides / LPs. -- penda penda's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6431 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2 weeks without LP's!
penda;293705 Wrote: However, as for less listening fatigue, I have often wondered if thats because we get a break have to get up every 15/20 mins or so to change sides / LPs. Interesting thought. Maybe you could try simulating by taking a break every now and then. I don't know much about vinyl, but I've noticed that after I replaced my cd-player with SD and instant access to my entire music library, I prefer to wait a few minutes in between CD's. This is mostly because the potentially quick change between styles/sound/genre/etc feels strange. -- bhaagensen bhaagensen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7418 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2 weeks without LP's!
penda;293705 Wrote: No doubt about it Vinyl sounds far better - even with the odd click! However, as for less listening fatigue, I have often wondered if thats because we get a break have to get up every 15/20 mins or so to change sides / LPs. Nice thought, or it could also be because the medium is more involving, you have to do far more things than pressing a button from your couch... But this is precisely part of the experience of vinyl. However, ultimately, the sound that comes out of an LP caresses your ears while you listen, and that is less fatiguing anyhow. -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, Nagra VPS phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Nagra), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2 weeks without LP's!
Come to think of it, ever since I ditched vinyl, I have been hit with constant upgrade bugs and still perpetually dissatisfied with my system. Despite the fact that my current system cost many times more than my modest system used during college, which consisted of a Systemdek IIX turntable with the mighty Naim Nait 2 integrated amplifier. Or this a case of first love being the sweetest? -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2 weeks without LP's!
agentsmith wrote: Despite the fact that my current system cost many times more than my modest system used during college, ... Or this a case of first love being the sweetest? Some of us just had better drugs back then. I can't grok this thread. I know that vinyl has fans, but I just don't get it. While badly recorded and engineered CDs are far too common, there is no way I'm going back. I listen to more music, and enjoy it more (plus or minus the drugs) than I ever did with records. There is no way that getting up to flip over an album is coming back after I've had SqueezeCenter feeding my Transporter. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2 weeks without LP's!
Long version: 2 weeks ago I received an email from the Benelux distributor of Nagra, my phonostage (VPS) had to go for some factory upgrades I was told that since I had purchased one of the very first units that came out of Nagra (this january) they lacked of some modification done to them after the second batch (february?)... Anyway, I sent it immediately, I really wondered how much better could it sound after the mods, I had never heard anything so liquid and transparent from reproduced music, the resolution and spatial render of the VPS was already heavenly.. so its been 2 weeks and Im getting desperate. I thought that going purely digital for some weeks wouldnt be such a big deal, I use one of the best digital frontends my ears have heard: the incredibly regarded Slim Devices Transporter! but something has gone wrong!!! with relatively long listening sessions (3-4) hours) Digital has become torture!!! Whats wrong with me??? I just keep thinking about vinyl I tried to change cables, I borrowed two other digital frontends from friends (MBL noble line and Creek destiny), just to check if it was the TP that was causing fatigue, and actually the TP did well in the comparison, but after some hours of any digital, my ears began to suffer. Recent experience: Just a few hours ago I was listening to Leonard Cohen's songs for love and hate and I had to stop it, something I would never do to Leonard in vinyl, but the digital version just lacks any sense of musical liquidity, the noise floor sounds artificial, the lower cords of the guitar sound electronic, the atmosphere flat and his voice filtered... And this experience is repeated whenever I listen in digital what I normally listen in vinyl... I think that living without vinyl for 2 weeks (until now) is proof to me of how much I love it... The TP is a great digital front end, but after a few hours (as with other good digital frontends) it just tortures me with listening fatigue, and this, after years of listening to digital, is something I just found out. Anyone in here shares the same view? -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, Nagra VPS phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Nagra), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 2 weeks without LP's!
Try moving your speakers. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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LOL! You may as well have asked whether anyone here tortures kittens. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46547 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
