Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Cool, Good to know! Especially about the boks, Cheers :-D -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
I'm really rather glad you guys have posted, initially I thought it was a simple subject of twiddle with the DCX to get it sounding right by ear :-o Just shows a little knowledge could be disastrous. Now one feels enlightened, and incapable of setting up an active crossover, so am rather pleased I did not attempted it with the little knowledge I have :-) The speakers up for the tweek are BW's not Linn's, I have no worries that the most suitable boards would be obtained and modified if required to suit the speakers... One would guess Linn boards are suggested as I'm guessing the components are of a decent quality. -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Deaf Cat;634667 Wrote: I'm really rather glad you guys have posted, initially I thought it was a simple subject of twiddle with the DCX to get it sounding right by ear :-o Just shows a little knowledge could be disastrous. Now one feels enlightened, and incapable of setting up an active crossover, so am rather pleased I did not attempted it with the little knowledge I have :-) The speakers up for the tweek are BW's not Linn's, I have no worries that the most suitable boards would be obtained and modified if required to suit the speakers... One would guess Linn boards are suggested as I'm guessing the components are of a decent quality. Yes they are of decent quality - they also exist and can be obtained, which is more than can be said for most other manufacturers! Just as a point of interest, Linn make something called a Tuneboks, which is a chassis with PSU and socketry that allows their active cards to be mounted into a conventional looking unit and used with ANY pre-amp+power amps... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
MediaCenter;634376 Wrote: I also should warn you that it is addictive and fun but getting it right and settling down on a sound is very difficult.. Thank you for the warning, I noticed that when listening to dacs, each style of tune that was played, I prefered a different dac. So stayed with my own to save getting lost in choice/confusion. I also noticed that with each little tweek some tunes sound so much better and others now have the skip button pressed. I like the idea of tweeking but endless choice at ones finger tips h... Maybe it's best if I do go the Linn card route, as I'm thinking they can't be user tweeked :-o Cheers! -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Well speaker response can be measured with surprisngly good accurace even with hobby software, bass response can be hard to measure without an aneoic chamber but the important part around the midrange xover piont and impulse response and some more. In fact in a case like the one you are describing you must measure to not be completely lost, you must have some baseline performance to tweak around :P Your friend with the Linn cards does he know what he is doing ? will he know what is the right settings for your speakers ? it is not that simple as just choosing a frequency ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Mnyb;634410 Wrote: Well speaker response can be measured with surprisngly good accurace even with hobby software, bass response can be hard to measure without an aneoic chamber but the important part around the midrange xover piont and impulse response and some more. In fact in a case like the one you are describing you must measure to not be completely lost, you must have some baseline performance to tweak around :P Your friend with the Linn cards does he know what he is doing ? will he know what is the right settings for your speakers ? it is not that simple as just choosing a frequency ? Indeed the only immediate choices you have with the Linn XO boards are frequency and level... and one or both will require soldering, depending on the baords chose (and there are A LOT of boards to choose from!). -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Mnyb;634410 Wrote: Your friend with the Linn cards does he know what he is doing ? will he know what is the right settings for your speakers ? it is not that simple as just choosing a frequency ? Yes he repairs quite high end hifi stuff, has built his own active crossovers from scratch, and recommended the Linn cards for my set up, but also suggested it may be a bit of a waste, on my current speakers :-( Good I guess, he says it how he see's it. I think also it will be difficult getting hold of Ditton to get the specs on the drivers and crossovers, so maybe some new second hand speakers are due too :-0 Good I like the idea of soldered parts for the crossover so I can't play, and will leave it up to the repair guy as to what boards, as he should know best... Out of interest why are there so many different Linn XO boards? If all they do is filter out bits, by soldering in the bits, you need..? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Deaf Cat;634550 Wrote: Yes he repairs quite complicated hifi stuff, and recommended the Linn cards for my set up, but also suggested it may be a bit of a waste, on my current speakers :-( Good I like the idea of soldered parts for the crossover so I can't play, and will leave it up to the repair guy as to what boards, as he should know best... Out of interest why are there so many different Linn XO boards? If all they do is filter out bits, by soldering in the bits, you need..? Because they make custom boards for every speaker in their range(s). They aren't generic designs. Every PCB is different... The only generic thing is their PSU and mounting arrangements so that they fit into LINN AMPS... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Phil Leigh;634554 Wrote: Because they make custom boards for every speaker in their range(s). They aren't generic designs. Every PCB is different... The only generic thing is their PSU and mounting arrangements so that they fit into LINN AMPS... Yea but are we talking about a pair of linn speakers here ? OP does not say wich speaker he is tweaking. badly implemented active fillters would not acomplish much good... If it is linn speakers, then by all means use the linn boards as they are factory designed to work properly, theoretically you migth be able to improve with a DCX type of xover given time and skills and ability to measure the result. For batling the room acoustics the inguz plugin or a DCX could be used I supose, but given that the speakers work. also tweaking so it's sounds good is not a design method I recomend, most repectable manufacturers design at reproducing the signal as good as they can ( hence the term high fidelity meaning that input and ouput is very similar ) But as speakers are by their very nature never transparent and interact with your room and listening position and moore all speaker builders have to decide wich flaws they can live with and also add thier secret sauce to give thier creation it's sound. You can hear when this is not done properly, ever been to the hifi store and listened to equipment that only shines on certain recordings and certain kinds of music ? off course some recordings sounds horrible all the time and you cant make that go away with any hifi, and if you try you get it very wrong ( an extreme example would be a stereo that makes californication sounds good, this would then reproduce any good recording 100% wrong and be badly designed all over as this record is 100% bad ) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Ah well, I was thinking my speakers needed just a little lift of some sort, slightly sweeter in the mids maybe. I started to look into upgrading the passive crossover components, changing the capacitors etc, or rebuilding the whole crossover. As time is some what short for hobbies at the moment I thought if I'm taking them apart I want to put in the best I can afford as they probably won't come apart again for a good while. When adding up the cost and time, I thought I may as well investigate active! From what I've been reading, active seems to result in more impressive results than passive upgrades... who knows though, untill one has tested it ones self... Not got the time or money for both. It makes sence to use the amp to power everything rather than loosing some power in the passive circuits.. So in answer to your question, no not new ones, playing with the old :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Deaf Cat;634288 Wrote: Ah well, I was thinking my speakers needed just a little lift of some sort, slightly sweeter in the mids maybe. I started to look into upgrading the passive crossover components, changing the capacitors etc, or rebuilding the whole crossover. As time is some what short for hobbies at the moment I thought if I'm taking them apart I want to put in the best I can afford as they probably won't come apart again for a good while. When adding up the cost and time, I thought I may as well investigate active! From what I've been reading, active seems to result in more impressive results than passive upgrades... who knows though, untill one has tested it ones self... Not got the time or money for both. It makes sence to use the amp to power everything rather than loosing some power in the passive circuits.. So in answer to your question, no not new ones, playing with the old :-) sounds fun as hobby thing, a programable and configurable device like The DCX will do experiments easier, a good starting piont is to figure out what the passive filters did xover freq filter slopes and more baffle step compensation etc. Even if the passive filter looks simple it can be a considerable amount of thinkinh behind it anyway. Imho such diy should be done for fun and as a hobby, it's hard to compete with ready made stuff , you must be really good or have reqirements that is not provide by the market to save money this way, some designs are not possible to sell even if they are good , things can not be big and uggly ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
:-) my diy skills would probably streach to replacing like valued components with upgraded like valued components, and was thinking a passive crossover should be pretty simple... Swaying towards the active, I mentioned it in passing to the guy who fixed my pre/pro, he thinks he would be able to get some Linn active cards in the space, in the case of my pre/pro as I am missing the 7.1 and bypass cards. No extra boxes which is a big plus, and he would do the solderig etc. and he would set it all up with me watching :-) more likely to work if someone else does it! Not the cheapest of options but sounds favorite to me at the moment... Will more than likely have to save up for a year or two though :-( As opposed to the cheep DCX, h may get impatient on the journey. :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Deaf Cat;634320 Wrote: :-) my diy skills would probably streach to replacing like valued components with upgraded like valued components, and was thinking a passive crossover should be pretty simple... Swaying towards the active, I mentioned it in passing to the guy who fixed my pre/pro, he thinks he would be able to get some Linn active cards in the space, in the case of my pre/pro as I am missing the 7.1 and bypass cards. No extra boxes which is a big plus, and he would do the solderig etc. and he would set it all up with me watching :-) more likely to work if someone else does it! Not the cheapest of options but sounds favorite to me at the moment... Will more than likely have to save up for a year or two though :-( As opposed to the cheep DCX, h may get impatient on the journey. :-) If you are going the active route, I would suggest miniDSP. I already played with DCX2496 and its a good option. I takes Digital input so no loss their and it'll be one D to A conversion i.e. in DCX. I also should warn you that it is addictive and fun but getting it right and settling down on a sound is very difficult. It is endless tweaking, because you are drawn into making every recording sound right that gets to infinitum. -- MediaCenter Source Device: Transporter Amplifiers: Tri-Amped NAD C272 x 3 Speakers: x-Statik Passive Crossover Removed Crossover: Active MiniDSP x 2 (3 Way) Pre-amplifier: NAD C162 Room Correction applied using REW MediaCenter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32623 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Mnyb;633874 Wrote: I think it would work just fine, I think so too. Just seems a bit unnecessary for me to convert to analogue then have the new box convert AtoD and then DtoA once again... Or to avoid all these conversions, just don't use my pre/pro... hmmm I shall read some more of the instruction book, and learn more around the whole subject. Many thanks for your help on me understanding more! Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
What kind of projekt is this as you wanted active xover ? Do you plan to build your own speakers :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Does anyone know if the dcx will pass a/ some digital out, as one might want to one ones choice of DAC -- adamdea adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Ah ha, so it can be done that is wonderfull, but, splitting the 2 channels to 4, pcm will loose some sound quality? even if the same amount of music information is there, just because it it split into 4 channels rather than 2 some quality will be lost, am I understanding that right? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
What henry is sugesting is using AC3 aka Dolby Digital (or DTS) . In this case a single SPDIF ch can carry 5.1 or 6ch channels as a dolby or DTS bitstream . But it is a lossy format both dolby and dts or similar to mp3 and other lossy formats in that it sacrifies some soundquality. I have no idea what the maximum bitrates are ? People usually do this to get surround sound via a squeezebox. But you are trying out an digital xover implementation ? Is it not easier to get purpose made equipment for this , I have not shopped for this kind of stuff but hobby and semi pro music equipment does not carry the silly price tags as audiophile stuff . I can imagine some utilitarian ugly boxes made in china with a lot off knobs and leds on them :) But it would sure beat lossy compression via dolby and ofcourse beat any passive xover . I think there is plenty of digital active crossovers to be had. So a trip to the music store instead of the audiophile botique ? Of course it can be combined with inguz for fine adjustment and drc . Programmable digital xovers ? that would be a better way to diy speakers, you can easily tweak the filters without expensive component swaps and labor -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Yes, DD, DTS, that is what I was thinking could be used, but was unsure how, nice to know it can be done, but it did not occur to me that one would loose some sound quality in doing so. Yes, I was wondering if a digital crossover could be implemented in slimserver some how. I read that a nice digital crossover can be achieved with a pc and sound card, outputting the highs mids and lows for stereo, but don't want a pc in the lounge. I'm quite happy with my processor/dac so don't really want to pay out for any more DA converters either. And, did not really want any more boxes, or additional stuff in the ananlgue path. Fussy, I know! ;-) It just seemed the simplest solution to have software do the filtering and SB transport it to my processor.. So maybe the best solution if quality would be lost using the SB with pcm, is to have an analogue active crossover.. I don't quite get the lossy thing with DD/DTS, if the same amount of information is there for stereo, 2 channels, why would information be lost if it were just split in to 4 channels rather than 2? Is it the processor/decoding that can't handle the information split 4 ways or the pcm signal? Thanks for the feedback so far :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Spdif is an old ca 1979 standard, it is simply not made for this aplication it is probaly not technically hard to do nowadays it's simply not in the protocoll hence not suported by any ic etc. There exist other propriotary and pro standards for multichannel pcm. My meridian gear have it's own format with 4 parell spdif cables, but consumer audio has hdmi. Hdmi supports multichannel pcm with hirez files. A souncard with an hdmi output ? To an AV reciever, this can possibly be abused for you idea.. If you can figure the necessary programming and have a lot of sparetime. You can of course bypass the whole problem by getting a nice pair of active speakers ;) This is a very minimal boxcount. Forum members here can suggest a variety Of such speakers AVi, ATC, Adam, Dynaudio , Meridian and more spanning all budgets -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Ah, that is more than likely why it has not been done already, and why I could not find any information on how to do it. I guess Meridian found their own way around it. HDMI, hmmm my processor is pre HDMI, good job really, as I can't program and spare time... what is that? ;-) So it looks like my so called simple solution is a dead end, Oh well, many thanks! for your input to help me understand the area a bit more. HeHe active speakers, it does not seem quite so much fun buying something that will work straight away :-) Simple though which is always good! Thanks again, I shall investigate analogue active crossovers and active speakers next, Cheers :-) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
You can do this, but NOT with SB gear. You need a multichannel (at least 4) soundcard that can put out parallel spdif streams. If you really want to use digital crossovers and SB's, get a DCX2496 and forget about server-side crossovers (but you can use Inguz for DRC). If you want server-side crossovers and DRC, forget about SB's and get a suitable soundcard... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
This Behringer DCX2496 unit is susprisingly cheap :) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Cheers Phil for the confirmation of, no go with the SB, and the other possible options :-) Ah yes, the DCX2496 is rather reasonable, quite tempting to have a punt, but in reading more noticed it's analogue inputs are converted to digital and then back to analogue, I may guess, this could degrade the signal from what it is already..?? Only trying at home would tell...I guess. So maybe I'll look down the analogue active crossover avenue and start learning exactly what the options are there :-) I understand from hear say that some linn crossover boards have been used to make an active system with some BW's with rather impressive results. Pleanty of reading to catch up on. Many Thanks for your input in concluding my initial thoughts were not possible, and directing me in other possible directions. Cheers :-) DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
the Dcx also has a digital input. Oh it has 24bit adc for analog signals ,but some the tricks it performs is only feasible in the digital domain ? and if one looks at the total performance, passive fillters still sucks AND analog active fillters are not free from artifacts either, once in the digital domain fillters and eq can be done without the penalty that always comes with yet another box off analog circuits ? I have not read its manual maybe it does things that are completely impossible in the analog domain too ? I think it would work just fine, one has ofcourse to be carefull with the levels when using the analog input, to get the best performance. Btw the Squeezebox has 24 bit digital outputs if I used a dcx I would use that and keep the squeezebox volume at 100% as it's volume controll is digital. the analog sources one owns is usually less critical . if one has several digital sources you need some way to switch between them, but I bet there exist some magic box for that to. Phil has experience with this kind of equipment, so he is one of the forum members that can answer this kind of questions , there some presenence of audio profesionals on this forum. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Hi, Just starting to try and understand all the different speaker crossover options. It seems to make sence to me to have something like an inguz plugin that can filter frequencies in the digital domain, split them to hi and lo and left and right and run the pcm to, and out of, a SB, and into a pre/processor on to power amps and drivers. Not knowing much about the subject and what is involved, am I in cloud cookoo land or would something like this be possible...? Much appreciate any comments! Cheers DC -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
Split each channel into a separate WAV file. Then use the free 'wav2ac3 encoder' (http://wav2ac3.sourceforge.net) to encode multiple channels to AC3. Then use the techniques in 'this thread' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=19260) to encapsulate them for S/PDIF. (After that I encode to FLAC for tagging.) Stream this audio out the Squeezebox digital out (coax or optical) to a receiver that can decode AC3 (Dolby Digital). You have to make sure that the stream is at 100% volume with no fade in/out and no replay gain. -- Henry66 Henry66's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Is there a way to get PCM out of a SB with 4 channels rather than just stereo
A spdif interface can only carry 2ch of pcm audio ( lossy bitstreams is another story ) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=88011 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
