Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modwright TP: Balanced or Single Ended
Kind of makes a mockery of threads like what balanced DAC should I buy. My understanding is that in theory balanced should have the edge, but requires a good implementation, and as such can result in a worse solution. After years of seeing this kind of technology at all costs being preached, I'm now a believer in the idea that if it sounds better, then it is. Go enjoy! -- Mr_Sukebe SB+, Bel Canto Evo2i, Impulse Ta'us, Coherent system cables, Stillpoints Mr_Sukebe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modwright TP: Balanced or Single Ended
dtz;310004 Wrote: So after some tube swapping and some head scratching I tried it single ended. New RCA's are part of the mod and the old RCA's are disconnected. What a difference. The frequency extension is back as well as the dynamics. It went from dullsville to musicland. Almost any review I've ever read said, if something can be used balanced it should be. I was a bit surprised to find, in this case, the opposite to be true. Anyone else have a similar experience? Thanks for any replies. The stock TP is an intrinsically balanced device, and its unbalanced output is derived from that. IME the balanced output is distinctly better. The Modwright update completely replaces the analogue output stage, right? Reading their website, they say that their balanced output uses custom wound transformers. This implies their output stage is an intrinsically unbalanced design. It would therefore be no surprise that balanced signal, after it has been through a transformer, might be degraded in some way. If you have short interconnects it is therefore quite feasible that the unbalanced output would sound better. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modwright TP: Balanced or Single Ended
I'm a MWTP owner (first one, in fact) and have tried multiple XLR's and RCA's but have never been able to a/b using the same cable model. I use RCA's only (I thought) cuz the Stealth Nanofiber midrange is wonderful, and I only have Nanofiber in RCA. Maybe it's more than that, as Clive suggests. DTZ, what cables did you use when swapping? Could that variable be enough? -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modwright TP: Balanced or Single Ended
Ted: I'm using Audience AU24 in both systems. I use equal lengths of balanced or single ended so that isn't a variable. Thanks for the response guys. -- dtz dtz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15444 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modwright TP: Balanced or Single Ended
Here's Dan's reply: The ModWright Transporter is terminated via custom-wound output transformers. The outputs are, thus, truly balanced. The RCA's are ALSO connected to the OPT's, using only one leg of the signal from the OPT. While in theory, one might assume that adding any active device such as an output transformer may degrade the sound, you must also consider what the transformer does. A. Lowers output impedance to 110ohm. B. Filters out all out of BW noice 60Khz. C. Converts SE input into true balanced output. D. Allows for phase correction of RCA outs. There is no reason why RCA outs should sound better than XLR's, assuming all else is equal. It is possible that there is a phase issue here, but cannot be certain. The only way that the balanced outs could possibly sound bass shy and lacking in clarity and dynamics, would be if one output was wired out of phase from the other. Again, however, the comparison is only valid if the same preamp is used to evaluate the outputs, RCA vs. XLR and cabling the same. I am not sure of all of the variables. By all means, if you have any concerns about the unit, we would be happy to take a look at it under warranty for you. Thanks, Dan Wright President, ModWright Instruments Inc. www.modwright.com ModWright LLC - www.modwright.com -- ted_b ted_b's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modwright TP: Balanced or Single Ended
Thanks for going the extra mile. I should be able to get my hands on some other cables to try to figure this out. Maybe I'm just daft. If there is a problem, I'll contact Dan. Thanks again. -- dtz dtz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15444 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Modwright TP: Balanced or Single Ended
I've been listening to my MWTP mostly in my office system and only a few times in my main rig. I use a Primaluna Dialogue 2 in my office and of course use it single ended. In my main rig, a BAT setup, without any thought, I use it balanced. The MWTP sounded a little bass shy, short on dynamics and a little soft on top with the BAT stuff. So after some tube swapping and some head scratching I tried it single ended. New RCA's are part of the mod and the old RCA's are disconnected. What a difference. The frequency extension is back as well as the dynamics. It went from dullsville to musicland. Almost any review I've ever read said, if something can be used balanced it should be. I was a bit surprised to find, in this case, the opposite to be true. Anyone else have a similar experience? Thanks for any replies. -- dtz dtz's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15444 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=48673 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
