[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
For those of you haven't had your fill of this topic, here is a 13 page thread on Audio Circles. http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=34161.msg304201;topicseen#new -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
The Outlaw folks told me their cables performance does not change after additional usage... So there... :-) ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
I am currently drilling a hole in the apartment wall here installing a forced draft fan and some clever directional ducting. This to maximise benefit of the Siberian winds that are due to hit Beijing any time soon. The cats won't like it, my wife won't like it, but who cares, the cables will be in seventh heaven!! Around -200 C or so, they become superconductors, with current flowing with no voltage. Does this mean that that Carpernters CD I cut to FLAC could still be circulating in a ground loop somewhere? -- chinablues chinablues's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Be careful, you might cut through some of the cameras and/or microphones hidden in your walls! The Powers that Be won't appreciate that! On 12/3/06, chinablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am currently drilling a hole in the apartment wall here installing a forced draft fan and some clever directional ducting. This to maximise benefit of the Siberian winds that are due to hit Beijing any time soon. The cats won't like it, my wife won't like it, but who cares, the cables will be in seventh heaven!! Around -200 C or so, they become superconductors, with current flowing with no voltage. Does this mean that that Carpernters CD I cut to FLAC could still be circulating in a ground loop somewhere? -- chinablues chinablues's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
tyler_durden;159119 Wrote: When burning-in a cable, how do you decide how long is enough?TD What is the difference between a good and bad signal for burn-in and how do you know if what you're using is one or the other? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Cable burn-in sounds like a classic case of audiophile voodoo to me, but I would submit that running electricity through a wire does change it over time. I've been doing a lot of electrical fixes in our 40-year-old house. The copper in the romex is very brittle. I can snap off bits of it with the pliers pretty easily. Now it may be that the copper is oxidized, although that seems unlikely to me as it's jacketed. And of course, a 120V @ 15 amps gusher of electrons is a little different than the trickle passing between your SB and amp, or between the amp and speakers, for that matter. But then our telephone wiring is brittle, too. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ jonheal's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2133 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
jonheal;159444 Wrote: Cable burn-in sounds like a classic case of audiophile voodoo to me, but I would submit that running electricity through a wire does change it over time. I've been doing a lot of electrical fixes in our 40-year-old house. The copper in the romex is very brittle. I can snap off bits of it with the pliers pretty easily. Now it may be that the copper is oxidized, although that seems unlikely to me as it's jacketed. And of course, a 120V @ 15 amps gusher of electrons is a little different than the trickle passing between your SB and amp, or between the amp and speakers, for that matter. But then our telephone wiring is brittle, too. Maybe it's just the impurities in the copper taking their toll over time. It's not electricity running through the wire that changes the copper, but contamination from mostly ppm level (parts per million) of H2S or SO2 over many years. We see this in cables in my business (instrumentation) where we have millions of miles of the stuff. SO2 or H2S can come from many sources, mostly by burning something (cigarettes, coal, hydrocarbons, gasoline etc). We take care of this problem in large termination rooms by pressurizing with clean air (also to keep out flammable hydrocarbons). In households there is no such protection, so after 40 years you are likely seeing long term corrosion due to atmospheric sulfur. Over time too, the gas can migrate along the wires inside the insulation. There is also the issue of traces of salts deposited on the ends of the cable by the original installer (sweat etc) which set up a very slow acidic attack on the copper. Of course in the houses of serious audiophiles, there is the gas from those damned farting mosquitos that always seem to be just at the limits of hearing. Anyway, lots of things that can degrade copper over time, but I don't believe its the actual flowing electricity that does it. -- chinablues chinablues's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
highdudgeon;159127 Wrote: How about calling the nice guys at Blue Jeans... Good plan, I sent them an email last night. And Outlaw too. I'll let you know what they say... jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
I already know... jmourik;159195 Wrote: Good plan, I sent them an email last night. And Outlaw too. I'll let you know what they say... jan -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=32771.msg303315;topicseen#new -- rajacat rajacat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
A nice sales guy at Blue Jeans Cable told me this: salesguy Wrote: Burn-in is one of those entrenched cable myths that certain companies use to market themselves, any cable that doesn't come off the line with a tight impedance tolerance is not likely to get any better over time. Belden Cable has some of the tightest specs in the industry, and with proper usage will reproduce signals with no loss from the moment you hook them up. Let us know if you have any other questions. Sounds reasonable to me! jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Myth??? Hah! Cable burn-in is critical for cables that have been cryogenically treated. The burn-in is necessary to warm up the cold sound produced by the cryogenic treatment. That way, you get a nicely defrosted sound. Alternatively, you can just let your cables sit on the kitchen countertop for a few days. -- Mike Anderson 'FREE RADICAL RADIO!' (http://nvo.com/cd) Hours of free radical MP3s. Mike Anderson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1705 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Mike Anderson wrote: Cable burn-in is critical for cables that have been cryogenically treated. The burn-in is necessary to warm up the cold sound produced by the cryogenic treatment. That way, you get a nicely defrosted sound. Alternatively, you can just let your cables sit on the kitchen countertop for a few days. Careful, this time of year the FDA spends a lot of time and effort reminding people that defrosting turkeys and cables on the kitchen counter top is bad, can lead to many kinds of contaminations. Much better to defrost it in the refrigerator for longer, a week or so. -- Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
In operating rooms, they run cautery devices close to the cables, to prepare them for a scorching session of Metallica. Hot cable and heavy metal are awesome for nasty yank'em and cut'em intestinal surgery. Mike Anderson;159222 Wrote: Myth??? Hah! Cable burn-in is critical for cables that have been cryogenically treated. The burn-in is necessary to warm up the cold sound produced by the cryogenic treatment. That way, you get a nicely defrosted sound. Alternatively, you can just let your cables sit on the kitchen countertop for a few days. -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Pat, You continue to be a font of wisdom. Your advice is sure to prevent me getting audio ptomaine poisoning this XMAS season -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Mike Anderson;159222 Wrote: Cable burn-in is critical ... you get a nicely defrosted sound. Yeah, but as cables defrost, the resistance rises, dulling the subtle, yet inaudible harmonics above 100kHz. This causes listening fatigue very late at night. I have Bluejeans 1505 interconnects and other wires from them. They are very well made and an incredible value. But when it comes to sound quality though, frozen or thawed, I prefer my anti-ICs. $100/meter, and worth every penny! http://www.anticables.com/anti-ic.html Rich -- richidoo richidoo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3097 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
richidoo;159273 Wrote: But when it comes to sound quality though, frozen or thawed, I prefer my anti-ICs. What difference in sound do you hear between the BJ/Belden and the anti_ic? jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
A friend of mine actually looked into this. The wire, available commercially, costs pennies a foot when you buy by the 100lb load. Thing is, 100lbs is quite a bit of copper and many, many feet. I've heard a system with the speaker cables and thought they were just fine. Then again, I think my 10 gauge cables from BJC are just fine. I'll give the anti-IC's this -- they win the prize for cool-looking cables, hands-down. jmourik;159308 Wrote: What difference in sound do you hear between the BJ/Belden and the anti_ic? jan -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
Any or all of those scenarios will work equally well. When burning-in a cable, how do you decide how long is enough? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
tyler_durden;159119 Wrote: When burning-in a cable, how do you decide how long is enough?Good question. What I'm doing now is comparing a couple of interconnects. I have a Blue Jeans lc1 (http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/audio/index.htm) that I like better than a Better Cables Silver Serpent. Both of these have been in my system for a bit over a week. I just received the Outlaw PCA (http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/cables.html). So I'll burn in the pca for a week and then compare it against the LC1 to see which one of those I prefer. I did some comparing today, and so far prefer the LC1, but the PCA sounds promising anyway, so I'm curious if a week of burning in will make some changes, so that's what I'm trying. Just having the SB2 on repeat makes the burn-in easier obviously... jan -- jmourik jmourik's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7123 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Re: Cable burn-in, does this work?
How about calling the nice guys at Blue Jeans (they are really nice and I use some of their stuff...sanely priced, good quality, great service) and ask them what they think about burning in cables. jmourik;159126 Wrote: Good question. What I'm doing now is comparing a couple of interconnects. I have a Blue Jeans lc1 (http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/audio/index.htm) that I like better than a Better Cables Silver Serpent. Both of these have been in my system for a bit over a week. I just received the Outlaw PCA (http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/cables.html). So I'll burn in the pca for a week and then compare it against the LC1 to see which one of those I prefer. I did some comparing today, and so far prefer the LC1, but the PCA sounds promising anyway, so I'm curious if a week of burning in will make some changes, so that's what I'm trying. Just having the SB2 on repeat makes the burn-in easier obviously... jan -- highdudgeon Relax. It's about the music. highdudgeon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2195 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=30223 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
