Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Gary Stevenson]

Yeah,

The NSF have plenty of dash err cash!

Take for example the IceCube Neutrino Observatory located at the
Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, built over the years 2005 - 2010, and
estimated to have cost $229 million. Just getting the parts (including those
for the -hot water - drilling rig), to the site kept their own private
airline busy  for  years. God only knows what else this fleet does, or where
it does it!

 

Gary

PS As an aside,  google "murder at the south pole" re the death of Rodney
Marks. What is of major interest  is that although  New Zealand has legal
jurisdiction here, the NSF was very easily able to gag the NZ investigator,
and also spirit Marks' body away: handy having you own fleet.

 

From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf
Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 3:15 PM
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LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo sciences is fairly recent so
that the mediocre don't feel too left out. aka "political correctness".
Shows the problems of letting an organisation like the NSF define itself. It
appears to be a US Federal government body which doles out federal taxpayer
funding to universities and a few other bodies. OF COURSE they'll be as
inclusive as possible. Helps get more money by creating larger pressure
groups.

I remember only a couple of years ago STEM generally was taken to mean
Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics and social and political
science didn't count.


I make a small exception for psychology in that there is a legitimate part
of it that deals with human perception/reaction aka human factors research
which is what science/science fiction Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back in
the 1950s. There was even a TV series back in the late 50s about that sort
of thing, "The Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.

Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:



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The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition of STEM fields includes
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sciences, and the social and behavioral sciences - psychology, economics,
sociology, and political science.
 
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Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles
 
Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers smaller than what a car
manufacturer would put through the production line to debug the line.

It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any engineering or manufactured
anything. Academic, but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or
maths?

Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The vast majority of people in
this place identify themselves.

Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost $300,000 or more? Most cars costing
more than say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not just a cheap plastic
moulding. It does not cost $50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle is
designed to be held like 'this'. and an aircraft ccontrol column is designed
to be held like 'that'. diffeerent ergonomics. One is designed to be gripped
hard and the other should not be. If you don't get the difference, have a
look at the grip shape on any low-cost computer joystick. It does not look
anything like a wheelbarrow or bicycle handle. As Macca points out, you can
use the handle from a ski stock or a Norwegian walking stick or whatever
they are called. At least they're designed to be held like 'that'. D
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[Aus-soaring] Look at the pretty coloured knobs please.... [Was Air brake handles]

[Texler, Michael]

OK,
Please look at the pretty coloured knobs and breathe, pause, enjoy...


Hi Tom,

For knobs why not consider an arcade knob? (Many different colours too!) 
http://www.austinamusements.com.au/joysticks/joystick-knobs-choose-your-colour.html

Regards

Michael Texler

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Subject: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

Afternoon all

Could anybody advise a good place to purchase things like airbrake handles and 
trim knobs?

Thanks

Tom W 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

[Mark Newton]

On 06/06/2017, DMcD and Mike Borgelt wrote:

Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll.

And you?



Please don't. Just... don't.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

[DMcD]

>>It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job. 
>>I'm guessing you've never actually done any engineering or manufactured 
>>anything.

You guess wrong. That's exactly what I do. I guess you don't work in
any engineering where someone looks at your product and says do they
really look like that? If so, we'll buy two sets…(These were NASA
contract engineers with more PHDs than I have had hot dinners.)

There's no reason why a machine should not look as good as it works
other than the lack of imagination or laziness of the designer.

There are plenty of cars and boats made in numbers as small as
sailplanes, where great care is taken over every aspect of the design,
not just the aerodynamic engineering. Take a look at most of the
Jonkers products.

Oh, and there are a few gliders which don't just use wheelbarrow
handles on control columns. I guess you don't see enough modern
gliders.

>>Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll.

And you?

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Mike Borgelt]

LOL! I think you'll find that adding the Voodoo 
sciences is fairly recent so that the mediocre 
don't feel too left out. aka "political 
correctness". Shows the problems of letting an 
organisation like the NSF define itself. It 
appears to be a US Federal government body which 
doles out federal taxpayer funding to 
universities and a few other bodies. OF COURSE 
they'll be as inclusive as possible. Helps get 
more money by creating larger pressure groups.


I remember only a couple of years ago STEM 
generally was taken to mean Science, Technology, 
Engineering, Mathematics and social and political science didn't count.



I make a small exception for psychology in that 
there is a legitimate part of it that deals with 
human perception/reaction aka human factors 
research which is what science/science fiction 
Jerry Pournelle did at Boeing back in the 1950s. 
There was even a TV series back in the late 50s 
about that sort of thing, "The Man and the Challenge". It is on youtube.


Mike

At 02:02 PM 6/6/2017, you wrote:

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of STEM fields includes mathematics, natural 
sciences, engineering, computer and information 
sciences, and the social and behavioral sciences 
– psychology, economics, sociology, and political science.


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Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers 
smaller than what a car manufacturer would put 
through the production line to debug the line.


It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any 
engineering or manufactured anything. Academic, 
but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or maths?


Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The 
vast majority of people in this place identify themselves.


Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost 
$300,000 or more? Most cars costing more than 
say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not 
just a cheap plastic moulding. It does not cost 
$50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle 
is designed to be held like 'this'… and an 
aircraft ccontrol column is designed to be held 
like 'that'… diffeerent ergonomics. One is 
designed to be gripped hard and the other 
should not be. If you don't get the difference, 
have a look at the grip shape on any low-cost 
computer joystick. It does not look anything 
like a wheelbarrow or bicycle handle. As Macca 
points out, you can use the handle from a ski 
stock or a Norwegian walking stick or whatever 
they are called. At least they're designed to 
be held like 'that'. D 
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[Aus-soaring] Stem fields

[Gary Stevenson]

The National Science Foundation (NSF) definition of STEM fields includes
mathematics, natural sciences, engineering, computer and information
sciences, and the social and behavioral sciences - psychology, economics,
sociology, and political science.

 

From: Aus-soaring [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.base64.com.au] On Behalf
Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Tuesday, 6 June 2017 1:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

 

Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers smaller than what a car
manufacturer would put through the production line to debug the line.

It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any engineering or manufactured
anything. Academic, but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or
maths?

Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The vast majority of people in
this place identify themselves.

Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:



>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost $300,000 or more? Most cars costing
more than say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not just a cheap plastic
moulding. It does not cost $50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle is
designed to be held like 'this'. and an aircraft ccontrol column is designed
to be held like 'that'. diffeerent ergonomics. One is designed to be gripped
hard and the other should not be. If you don't get the difference, have a
look at the grip shape on any low-cost computer joystick. It does not look
anything like a wheelbarrow or bicycle handle. As Macca points out, you can
use the handle from a ski stock or a Norwegian walking stick or whatever
they are called. At least they're designed to be held like 'that'. D
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

[Mike Borgelt]

Most aircraft designs are built in total numbers 
smaller than what a car manufacturer would put 
through the production line to debug the line.


It is just good engineering to use what is available that will do the job.

I'm guessing you've never actually done any 
engineering or manufactured anything. Academic, 
but not from any STEM fields who can't do physics or maths?


Besides, you are a cowardly anonymous troll. The 
vast majority of people in this place identify themselves.


Mike


At 10:01 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:
>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost 
$300,000 or more? Most cars costing more than 
say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is not 
just a cheap plastic moulding. It does not cost 
$50,000 extra to do that. A wheelbarrow handle 
is designed to be held like 'this'… and an 
aircraft ccontrol column is designed to be held 
like 'that'… diffeerent ergonomics. One is 
designed to be gripped hard and the other 
should not be. If you don't get the difference, 
have a look at the grip shape on any low-cost 
computer joystick. It does not look anything 
like a wheelbarrow or bicycle handle. As Macca 
points out, you can use the handle from a ski 
stock or a Norwegian walking stick or whatever 
they are called. At least they're designed to 
be held like 'that'. D 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

[Texler, Michael]

Hi Tom,

For knobs why not consider an arcade knob? (Many different colours too!)
http://www.austinamusements.com.au/joysticks/joystick-knobs-choose-your-colour.html

Regards

Michael Texler

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Afternoon all

Could anybody advise a good place to purchase things like airbrake handles and 
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Thanks

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

[DMcD]

>>You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost $300,000 or more?

Most cars costing more than say $30,000 have a steering wheel that is
not just a cheap plastic moulding. It does not cost $50,000 extra to
do that.

A wheelbarrow handle is designed to be held like 'this'… and an
aircraft control column is designed to be held like 'that'… different
ergonomics. One is designed to be gripped hard and the other should
not be.

If you don't get the difference, have a look at the grip shape on any
low-cost computer joystick. It does not look anything like a
wheelbarrow or bicycle handle.

As Macca points out, you can use the handle from a ski stock or a
Norwegian walking stick or whatever they are called. At least they're
designed to be held like 'that'.

D
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Air brake handles

[Mike Borgelt]

Good engineering is when you don't re-invent the wheel every time.
You'd like the $250,000 glider to cost $300,000 or more?

I knew a bloke in California once who owned a business making 
switches for the aerospace industry. He had a large range of standard 
products but when his salesmen showed these an aerospace company for 
their new project they were swept aside and a new set of custom 
switches specified and designed for every new aircraft/spacecraft. 
Cost plus contracts will do that. Gliding doesn't operate in that space.


Mike




At 02:52 PM 6/5/2017, you wrote:

HA,

Knobs etc and standard parts:

http://www.ddbarry.com.au

Mainly German.

I note that you're making a PC control but I find it odd that one can
spend the thick end of $250,000 on some new gliders and the physical
connection between you and this beautiful thing is the handle off a
wheelbarrow.

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