[Aus-soaring] Darling Downs Weather for the weekend of 28 - 29 January 2012

2012-01-25 Thread Robert Hart


  
  
Hi Folks

The weekend forecast is available at
http://the-white-knight-speaks.blogspot.com and I'm afraid it is
rather pessimistic at this stage. The monsoon trough is forecast to
venture a long way south into the continent and with it will come
quite a bit of rain.

I will update tomorrow as usual.
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+61 (0)438 385 533   http://www.hart.wattle.id.au

  

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Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

2012-01-25 Thread Tim Shirley

Hi Mike,

Your generic points about file editing are perfectly correct, and 
there's certainly nothing wrong with a general discussion about how to 
make an airspace file or files that everyone can live with.  I make 
similar files quite regularly and I am in agreement that the smaller the 
file, the better.


However, the existing files are fixed in the rules for Narromine.  Since 
the scorer can only use the files specified in the rules, the danger for 
anyone using a different and unofficial file in their PDA will be the 
possibility of getting penalties due to something important accidentally 
disappearing in the editing.


The problem with this forum is that while many of the Narromine entrants 
and organisers will be reading this, there will also be many who are 
not, and no one knows which ones.  So it is not quite correct to say 
that "everyone" knows about this concern now.  This is why I suggest 
going direct to the organisers.  Anyone can edit the files, but only the 
the organisers can change them on an official basis and make sure every 
entrant (and the scorer) gets an identical copy.  That remains my 
recommendation.


Cheers


 /Tim/

/tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/


On 26/01/2012 13:56, MIKE BORGELT wrote:

At 11:59 AM 26/01/2012, you wrote:
It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is 
specific to one competition .  The only people who can do anything 
about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or 
perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read 
this forum.   The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of 
the event and so can only be changed by officials.  It isn't a democracy.


Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them?

Cheers


  *Tim*



Why? This could arise at any contest and now everyone is aware of it. 
We could have one person edit the databases for the contest or every 
single pilot gets to do it.
Try to think before hitting send. I know it hurts but try to make the 
effort.


Mike


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Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

2012-01-25 Thread MIKE BORGELT

At 11:59 AM 26/01/2012, you wrote:
It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is 
specific to one competition .  The only people who can do anything 
about it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or 
perhaps other officials of the competition, who may or may not read 
this forum.   The relevant files are referenced in the local rules 
of the event and so can only be changed by officials.  It isn't a democracy.


Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them?

Cheers


Tim



Why? This could arise at any contest and now everyone is aware of it. 
We could have one person edit the databases for the contest or every 
single pilot gets to do it.

Try to think before hitting send. I know it hurts but try to make the effort.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

2012-01-25 Thread MIKE BORGELT

At 08:28 AM 26/01/2012, you wrote:

Ross,

WinPilot on older iPaqs has serious issues with large databases of 
any kind. It seems to be constantly checking final glide to any 
marks landable point in either the TP file or the Airfield file 
(which contains every official airfield in asia and australia) - it 
can't do this in the refresh time, so crashes WinPilot - deleting 
the Airfield file helps.


I suspect that it is also constantly checking the distance to any 
airspace boundary, but the calculation used is unable to ignore 
unrealistic points in the file. This means a huge file causes the 
same problems as above.


In real terms (as you ask), WinPilot crashes if I try to use the 
airspace file on either of the iPaqs I have owned.


Newer iPaqs with much faster processors, and processors better 
designed for calculations will work, but may be close to the limit !


I have previously taken this huge airspace file and spent several 
hours deleting any airspace that I wasn't likely to encounter from 
it, but this file is out of date (even if I can find it again).


Matt


There are several issues here. There are basically 3 ways you can set 
up a moving map:

Track up
Desired Track up
North up

Gliders change track all the time. Each time you do if you have the 
first selection the whole moving map gets redrawn. This is 
computationally intensive as the WHOLE map gets redrawn not just the 
bit you see on screen. Checking airfields and airspace boundaries 
isn' t so bad.


Use Desired track up or North up to reduce the computation load.

You should take the huge airspace file and edit it to several files 
relevant to the particular sites. Delete any detail that isn't 
relevant like the inner Brisbane airspace boundaries and you should 
also personally check any critical boundaries against the latest 
version of the Designated Airspace Handbook. Avoid those embarrassing 
points penalties due "airspace violation". For airspace relevant to 
gliding the airspace database can be quite small at most sites.
OpenAir is a simple airspace description language easily human 
readable on any text editor like Notepad.
Likewise any airfield or turnpoint databases should be edited down to 
only those in the contest task area.


It is bad that the program crashes instead of gracefully degrading.

If you do what I say above you shouldn't crash any kind of PDA/PNA

Mike

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Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

2012-01-25 Thread Tim Shirley
It seems a bit odd to be raising a concern on aus-soaring that is 
specific to one competition .  The only people who can do anything about 
it (should anything need to be done about it) are the CD or perhaps 
other officials of the competition, who may or may not read this 
forum.   The relevant files are referenced in the local rules of the 
event and so can only be changed by officials.  It isn't a democracy.


Can I suggest it be taken off-list and directly with them?

Cheers


 /Tim/

/tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/


On 26/01/2012 11:28, tom claffey wrote:

There is no airspace of concern in the task area?

Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones.

Tom


*From:* Ross McLean 
*To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 


*Sent:* Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

Hi Chris
The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly 
experienced competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file 
developed by Miles Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole 
lot of flexibility to set tasks according to the weather variables.  
There are no real airspace issues tasking out  of Narromine so it 
wasn't felt necessary to assign a "playing field" as such in the 
airspace file but rather to provide a file that identified all the 
CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present locally 
and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no 
Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine.  I 
have personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot 
and have found no problem with it at all.

I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms.
Regards, ROSS
*From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of 
*Chris Woolley

*Sent:* Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM
*To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
Narromine Nationals Competitors,
The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and 
airspace files (see below) which from my point of view have issues


  * For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official
airspace file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the
whole continent.
  * The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for
record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of
view it is not suitable in its current form.

The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look 
much better.

http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine
Regards
Chris

*From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of 
*Ross McLean

*Sent:* Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM
*To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
*Subject:* [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
*50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: *
**
*We're All Set!! *the organisation is all in place and we are ready to 
go.
All sections of the website 
www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html 
 
 are fully functional.
The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site 
and are available for download.
The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the 
scorer from your web browser and you can check the scores online with 
a single click.
The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met 
briefing each day provided by the competition organizers you will be 
able to do your own forecasting well ahead of time.
If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each 
day you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from 
the website.
If you haven't registered for the competition yet there are still a 
few places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You 
can download the entry form from the website and email it back to the 
comp organizers.

It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun.
ROSS

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Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

2012-01-25 Thread gstevo10
Tom,
What point are you trying to make re start points?
My understanding is that the local rules say indeed, that a selection from (not 
all), the old start points as listed in the nominated database will be the ones 
used for this contest.Do you have a problem with that?
Cheers,
Gary
  - Original Message - 
  From: tom claffey 
  To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 11:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine


  There is no airspace of concern in the task area?


  Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones.


  Tom



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  From: Ross McLean 
  To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 
 
  Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine



  Hi Chris
  The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced 
competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles 
Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set 
tasks according to the weather variables.  There are no real airspace issues 
tasking out  of Narromine so it wasn’t felt necessary to assign a “playing 
field” as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that 
identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present 
locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no 
Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine.  I have 
personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have 
found no problem with it at all.
  I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms.
  Regards, ROSS

  From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley
  Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM
  To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

  Narromine Nationals Competitors,

  The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace 
files (see below) which from my point of view have issues
a.. For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace 
file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent.
b.. The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for 
record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not 
suitable in its current form.

  The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much 
better.
  http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine

  Regards
  Chris  


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  From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean
  Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM
  To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
  Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

  50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: 

  We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go.  
  All sections of the website  
www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html  are fully 
functional.  
  The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are 
available for download.  
  The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer 
from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click.
  The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each 
day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own 
forecasting well ahead of time.
  If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you 
will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website.

  If you haven’t registered for the competition yet there are still a few 
places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download 
the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers.

  It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun.

  ROSS


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Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

2012-01-25 Thread tom claffey
There is no airspace of concern in the task area?

Start points in the turnpoint file are the old ones.

Tom




 From: Ross McLean 
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 
 
Sent: Thursday, 26 January 2012 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
 

Hi Chris
The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced 
competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles 
Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set 
tasks according to the weather variables.  There are no real airspace issues 
tasking out  of Narromine so it wasn’t felt necessary to assign a “playing 
field” as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that 
identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are present 
locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no 
Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine.  I have 
personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have 
found no problem with it at all.
I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms.
Regards, ROSS
 
From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
 
Narromine Nationals Competitors,
 
The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace files 
(see below) which from my point of view have issues
* For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace 
file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent.
* The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for 
record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not 
suitable in its current form.
 
The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much better.
http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine
 
Regards
Chris  
 



From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
 
50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: 
 
We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go.  
All sections of the website  
www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html  are fully 
functional.  
The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are 
available for download.  
The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer 
from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click.
The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each 
day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own 
forecasting well ahead of time.
If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you 
will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website.
 
If you haven’t registered for the competition yet there are still a few places 
available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can download the 
entry form from the website and email it back to the comp organizers.
 
It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun.
 
ROSS
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

2012-01-25 Thread Matt Gage
Ross,

WinPilot on older iPaqs has serious issues with large databases of any kind. It 
seems to be constantly checking final glide to any marks landable point in 
either the TP file or the Airfield file (which contains every official airfield 
in asia and australia) - it can't do this in the refresh time, so crashes 
WinPilot - deleting the Airfield file helps.

I suspect that it is also constantly checking the distance to any airspace 
boundary, but the calculation used is unable to ignore unrealistic points in 
the file. This means a huge file causes the same problems as above.

In real terms (as you ask), WinPilot crashes if I try to use the airspace file 
on either of the iPaqs I have owned.

Newer iPaqs with much faster processors, and processors better designed for 
calculations will work, but may be close to the limit !

I have previously taken this huge airspace file and spent several hours 
deleting any airspace that I wasn't likely to encounter from it, but this file 
is out of date (even if I can find it again).

Matt


On 26/01/2012, at 1:07 , Ross McLean wrote:

> Hi Chris
> The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced 
> competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles 
> Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to set 
> tasks according to the weather variables.  There are no real airspace issues 
> tasking out  of Narromine so it wasn’t felt necessary to assign a “playing 
> field” as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file that 
> identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are 
> present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really no 
> Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine.  I have 
> personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have 
> found no problem with it at all.
> I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms.
> Regards, ROSS
>  
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris Woolley
> Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
>  
> Narromine Nationals Competitors,
>  
> The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace 
> files (see below) which from my point of view have issues
> For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace file 
> because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent.
> The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for record 
> flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is not 
> suitable in its current form.
>  
> The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much 
> better.
> http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine
>  
> Regards
> Chris  
>  
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean
> Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine
>  
> 50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised:
>  
> We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go. 
> All sections of the website  
> www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html  are fully 
> functional. 
> The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are 
> available for download. 
> The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer 
> from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single click.
> The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each 
> day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own 
> forecasting well ahead of time.
> If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day you 
> will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the website.
>  
> If you haven’t registered for the competition yet there are still a few 
> places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can 
> download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp 
> organizers.
>  
> It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun.
>  
> ROSS
>  
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Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

2012-01-25 Thread Ross McLean
Hi Chris

The airspace file was provided to the organizers by a highly experienced
competition pilot and the CD felt that the turnpoint file developed by Miles
Gore-Brown previously gave the task setters a whole lot of flexibility to
set tasks according to the weather variables.  There are no real airspace
issues tasking out  of Narromine so it wasn't felt necessary to assign a
"playing field" as such in the airspace file but rather to provide a file
that identified all the CTAFR and Danger Area airspace restrictions that are
present locally and are generally only activated by NOTAM. There is really
no Restricted Airspace in the realistic task areas out of Narromine.  I have
personally uploaded the airspace file to my iPaq running Winpilot and have
found no problem with it at all.

I am left wondering what your issue is in real terms.

Regards, ROSS

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Chris
Woolley
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2012 4:35 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

 

Narromine Nationals Competitors,

 

The Narromine Nationals web site has links to the turnpoint and airspace
files (see below) which from my point of view have issues

*   For those WinPilot users there are issues with the official airspace
file because it is too large. It looks like it covers the whole continent.
*   The official turnpoint file looks like one Miles put together for
record flying out of Narromine many years ago. From my point of view it is
not suitable in its current form.

 

The joeyglide 2010 airspace and turnpoint files for Narromine look much
better.

http://soaringweb.org/TP/Narromine

 

Regards

Chris  

 

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From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean
Sent: Sunday, 22 January 2012 4:18 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: [Aus-soaring] 50th Multi Class Nationals at Narromine

 

50th MultiClass Nationals Preparation Finalised: 

 

We're All Set!! the organisation is all in place and we are ready to go.  

All sections of the website
www.narromineglidingclub.com.au/Narromine50/MultiClass2012.html  are fully
functional.  

The rules, handicaps, turnpoints, airspace files are all on the site and are
available for download.  

The website has the facility to upload your log files directly to the scorer
from your web browser and you can check the scores online with a single
click.

The weather page is comprehensive and apart from the daily met briefing each
day provided by the competition organizers you will be able to do your own
forecasting well ahead of time.

If you want to follow the progress of the pilots during the task each day
you will be able to track them with the SPOT device directly from the
website.

 

If you haven't registered for the competition yet there are still a few
places available and you will be very welcome to join the fun. You can
download the entry form from the website and email it back to the comp
organizers.

 

It promises to be a great Comp! We hope you enjoy it and have fun.

 

ROSS

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Youngest 1000km pilot in AUS?

2012-01-25 Thread Adam Webb

made the homepage of the OLC as well!

http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/segelflugszene/index.html

Good work Secret Squirrel!



On 25/01/12 01:09, Ross McLean wrote:

Nice pics Matthew, obviously a big day but you seem to have squeezed
everything out of it judging from your last pic.
Great flight well done, congratulations.
ROSS

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Scutter
Sent: Tuesday, 24 January 2012 8:39 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Youngest 1000km pilot in AUS?

Age 20, last I checked :)
Some photos from the flight can be found here:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150500687357549.371205.596112548
&type=3&l=ee9d829b1d

-Matthew
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Adam Woolley
  wrote:

Hello All,

Just wondering what is the youngest age of an AUS pilot to complete a

1000km in AUS? Whether that be a FAI or OLC 1000km?

Keen to know, Matthew Scutter managed the feat out of Gawler very

recently, at age 19 (I think)!

Well done Matthew, looks like I've got some catching up to do over the

coming 25yrs...


WPP

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