Re: [Aus-soaring] B2000 Glide computer for sale
Hi Ken, Looks like we are going the right way forwards towards getting this actioned. Re reading the originator for the topic about mishandled advanced aerobatics, signals that there was a deficiency in knowledge of basics. That would be a direct result of the lack of information in the IH about how this is done and how to teach it to others. It is well past time we actually got this done. There needs to be an included module on design limits , speed placarding on ASI's and why rolling G is so important,(especially with larger span gliders). An understanding of how the yellow arc speeds are affected by use of combined control inputs is needed. I think the illustrations in the reference I forwarded to you are sufficient. They are clear and accurate, and only need to be revised into any how we teach document. I previously mentioned Nigel Arnott should be included in development. This was specifically because of his extensive experience in advanced aerobatics , as a National unlimited category champion, and his vast Gliding experience teaching advanced Aerobatics over many years. I am sure there must be others with similar useful knowledge and experience, with whom we should also be consulting- perhaps ask each state to nominate their sky god. My view is that Basic Aerobatics should remain as part of the Instructor Handbook and all instructors should be able to perform these successfully. Anything to do with Advanced Aerobatics should be included into an advanced Gliding Instruction document. All training for advanced aerobatics in gliders should only be carried out by appropriately trained specialists in gliders rated for those maneuvers. Previous training and experience in basic aerobatics should be a requirement for this. A suitable medical standard needs to be defined for the higher forces involved. I don't envy your task to lay this out for the Ops panel then get consensus, as my experience tells me it will result in a yes minister outcome, but I may be surprised. Best of British Luck anyway. Regards Glenn On 1/06/2015 6:39 AM, Simon Rammelt wrote: Hi all, I have one of Mike Borgelts B2000 glide computers for sale. It has been an accurate and reliable computer that I have been confident to rely on for many years but it is time to move on. The B2000 comes with all cables, RAT (Remote Accsess Terminal), manuals and software and can be purchased for $200. If you are interested drop me a line or give me a call 0447735433 Cheers Simon Rammelt ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] B2000 Glide computer for sale
Beats me how that went out -but apologies to all.] Glenn On 1/06/2015 9:31 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: oops. I guess. Talk about thread drift! Mike At 09:22 AM 1/06/2015, you wrote: Hi Ken, Looks like we are going the right way forwards towards getting this actioned. Re reading the originator for the topic about mishandled advanced aerobatics, signals that there was a deficiency in knowledge of basics. That would be a direct result of the lack of information in the IH about how this is done and how to teach it to others. It is well past time we actually got this done. There needs to be an included module on design limits , speed placarding on ASI's and why rolling G is so important,(especially with larger span gliders). An understanding of how the yellow arc speeds are affected by use of combined control inputs is needed. I think the illustrations in the reference I forwarded to you are sufficient. They are clear and accurate, and only need to be revised into any how we teach document. I previously mentioned Nigel Arnott should be included in development. This was specifically because of his extensive experience in advanced aerobatics , as a National unlimited category champion, and his vast Gliding experience teaching advanced Aerobatics over many years. I am sure there must be others with similar useful knowledge and experience, with whom we should also be consulting- perhaps ask each state to nominate their sky god. My view is that Basic Aerobatics should remain as part of the Instructor Handbook and all instructors should be able to perform these successfully. Anything to do with Advanced Aerobatics should be included into an advanced Gliding Instruction document. All training for advanced aerobatics in gliders should only be carried out by appropriately trained specialists in gliders rated for those maneuvers. Previous training and experience in basic aerobatics should be a requirement for this. A suitable medical standard needs to be defined for the higher forces involved. I don't envy your task to lay this out for the Ops panel then get consensus, as my experience tells me it will result in a yes minister outcome, but I may be surprised. Best of British Luck anyway. Regards Glenn On 1/06/2015 6:39 AM, Simon Rammelt wrote: Hi all, I have one of Mike Borgelts B2000 glide computers for sale. It has been an accurate and reliable computer that I have been confident to rely on for many years but it is time to move on. The B2000 comes with all cables, RAT (Remote Accsess Terminal), manuals and software and can be purchased for $200. If you are interested drop me a line or give me a call 0447735433 Cheers Simon Rammelt ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments***- /design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 / www.borgeltinstruments.com http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FLARM update
Hi Tim, As you have reminded many in the past, - this is a Gliding Forum. Keep the politics and political comments out of it. Glenn On 14/03/2015 8:32 PM, Tim Shirley wrote: Hi all, Flarms are standalone devices. They won't stop working tomorrow, because there is nothing to stop them working. A Flarm on V5 will see a Flarm on V5 just the same for ever, so it is probably better for the upgrade at a club, or in an area where gliders often fly together, to be co-ordinated. Making an instant change to your own Flarm might simply disable yours :) Flarm is being 100% consistent in its policy, and if that is irresponsible well then more irresponsibility from Tony Abbott would be good (if that is possible). They have NEVER guaranteed that a major version upgrade is backward compatible, in fact they have always said that any backward compatibility between major versions is coincidental. I make no comment on the reasons or the necessity for this policy. There's nothing wrong with a Flarm, except for the far too high expectations we have of it. Just look out the window - no version changes required but make sure your specs are up to spec. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 14/03/2015 6:54 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: FYI: FLARM has now published it's latest update - v6. It's available here: http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/ The protocols in the current version (v5) and new version (v6) are supposedly totally incompatible, so please update your FLARMs before next flight or you won't be able to see pilots with the other version. soapbox opinion I think it's very irresponsible of FLARM to publish a backwards incompatible upgrade like this. I am glad I am not flying in the Alps this weekend. /opinion ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] RASP issues
Hi Bernie, I was wondering what has happened to the blipmap version developed by Morgan Sandercock which animated the program. I found it useful and easy to use, but it doesn't seem to be on the web any more. Regards Glenn On 18/01/2015 11:10 AM, Bernie Baer wrote: I’m hopeful that this afternoons NSW RASP automated run will be successful; should be complete by 1815. I have manually run regions NEWSOUTHWALES, CAMDEN and JWGC and they seem OK now. It’s still using 0.5 degree data for the time being (but in the new format/naming convention) as I probably need to do a lot of testing before switching to the 0.25 degree data. Testing will be done on the JWGC region. Regards, Bernie. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC report benalla accident.
Ross, That topic headline line reported a fatality at Bennalla today, it was not to do with Davids flight. Glenn On 2/01/2015 9:16 PM, Ross McLean wrote: David is on the ground at Benalla. 1558 km in 11 Hr 45. What a fantastic flight. He over shot Benalla and turned back at Lake Eildon in the hills to the south adding another 100km then overshot again to the east and turned back at Wangaratta. If the day is still going then keep going! No accident, I know David. David has had this flight (and many, many others) planned for ages and each day he checks the ISO charts for the right pattern. When it looks right he is already prepared and launches as early as the day permits. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Then one day it turns out like it did today and Perfect Planning Produced A Perfect Performance. It helps that he is also a superb soaring pilot I guess. _ Ross McLean -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Friday, 2 January 2015 6:47 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ABC report benalla accident. I hope we find out very soon what happened. Ron On 2 Jan 2015, at 5:25 pm, opsw...@bigpond.net.au opsw...@bigpond.net.au wrote: not good http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-02/person-killed-in-gliding-acciden t-in-vic-chesney-vale/5997616 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] M720 V2 radio guides/questions
Darrin, I have 2 Micro-air radios, the top line is the active frequency. I have found most problems with these very reliable radios are caused by users not understanding how they work.. Glenn On 4/12/2014 2:20 PM, Darin McLean wrote: Has anyone got a *user guide* and/or an*installation guide* for MicroAir *M720-V2* VHF Transceiver radio they can scan and send to me? Also, does the cursor position indicate the active frequency, or is the top line the active frequency only? Regards, Darin ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public.
Dear All, I am reasonably certain that most of our airborne contact incidents occurred in thermalling situations. The assumption that we should avoid any activities (aerotowing, turpoints, traversing or thermalling) over built up areas, is a nonsense. Perhaps ther is a case for improving vigilance in these areas of concentrated activity, but total aviodance is not going to solve that. Lets get the thread back on track and concentrate on realistic safety improvements please. Regards Glenn On 4/06/2014 9:50 AM, Nick Gilbert wrote: At the first Leeton JoeyGlide we invented several turnpoints in areas where there wasn't one handy - mainly for those 'funnel' type points that you use for non-fixed tasks (ie. AAT) to get everyone coming from the same direction. From memory I think they were named after supporters of the contest - Mander, Shirley, Mason, etc. Cheers, Nick. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:17 AM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: send not to know for whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. That was written 500 years ago. He wasn't wrong. We have retained the tradition of having waypoints at geographic features for three reasons. One is sheer laziness - we already had locations of towns and silos. A second is psychological - we like to say in the bar that we went to Hillston, rather than i went to a waypoint in the scrub west of Hillston. The third is more practical and does have a safety implication - if you are heading for a town you can see it out of the window, and don't have to keep referring to an instrument on the panel. None of these are showstoppers if change is seen as necessary. Cheers /Tim Shirley/ /tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/ On 04/06/2014 09:03, Mike Timbrell wrote: You mean we should make changes because someone in Poland gets beaned by a piece of wreckage? *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Scutter *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 June 2014 8:15 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. Turnpoints are usually over populated areas such as towns. Turnpoints are naturally an area of higher collision risk because of converging headings. Pilots tend to outland/get low near turnpoints because of tunnel vision or trying round the turnpoints efficiently in high wind. Perhaps turnpoints shouldn't be over populated areas/landmarks in competitions in this age of GPS navigation? On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au mailto:drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: Lookout, lookout, lookout... *From:*aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher McDonnell *Sent:* Monday, 2 June 2014 6:52 PM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/172564,Pilot-killed-in-glider-tournament ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Generation Vario
The nexus has GPS, wifi, and bluetooth. It can connect to Flarm either through a bluetooth Ioio, or by cable to the flarm output. Cable will also supply power to the nexus from the flarm. I currently have a small power pack which I use for extra battery life, (runs all day in the twin astir), but am getting a cable setup to the flarm for my single seater. Cheers Glenn On 25/05/2014 7:04 PM, Peter Champness wrote: Looks very good. What about connectivity. Nexus 7 does not seem to have a serial port. Also does it have inbuilt GPS. If mot how doe you connect to flarm or your logger? Peter Champness On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Glenn McLean glenn...@bigpond.com mailto:glenn...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Richard, I have followed your thread and the responses. The machine that I have been using is a Nexus7 loaded with the current vesion of XCsoar. This is a very low cost option (Nexus about 300 xcsoar free) and I must say how impressed I am with it. I recently flew in the state 2 seater comp at Keepit and set up the nexus in the back seat. The DG is equipped with an lx8000, loaded with flarm and such. In flight, the audio varios were singing together in harmony like the beach boys (remember them?). The program is easy to use and home grown'. The display was excellent in sunlight and I improved this with an anti glare overlay. (about $1.50).The only negative I have with the setup is that it offers too much information, generally more than is needed for most situations, but it's nice to know that info is there if needed. The (only)other negative is that it takes up a fair bit of realestate on the panel. Other users I know are Paul Mander, and Mick Webster. Mick downloads his flights to OLC whilst on downwind, and Paul says that this machine is state of the art. We have put one into our club two seater, mainly fo the vario unction, but it can also be hooked to the flarm and display other flarm traffic on the screen. So, my recommendation is don't ignore his excellent , very low cost option until you have tried oe. I have and I will continue to use mine in both of my aircraft. I hope you are well. Regards Glenn McLean On 23/05/2014 10:11 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: All, I am seeking contact with anyone who has recent experience with the any of the latest generation of Vario (Butterfly, LX7, etc etc). They do seem to full of many features that I will never use (apart from the noise and the wiggly bit, I really only used a couple of things (wind and final glide as a backup) on the 302 I was using in the Mozzie) as I find the Oudie more than adequate for 'Compute' tasks. Do the new devices add any value in things like gust rejection or wind accuracy or anything that you find of personal value. Am looking to possibly replace some older kit in an LS8 I am acquiring. Regards Richard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Generation Vario
Hi Richard, I have followed your thread and the responses. The machine that I have been using is a Nexus7 loaded with the current vesion of XCsoar. This is a very low cost option (Nexus about 300 xcsoar free) and I must say how impressed I am with it. I recently flew in the state 2 seater comp at Keepit and set up the nexus in the back seat. The DG is equipped with an lx8000, loaded with flarm and such. In flight, the audio varios were singing together in harmony like the beach boys (remember them?). The program is easy to use and home grown'. The display was excellent in sunlight and I improved this with an anti glare overlay. (about $1.50).The only negative I have with the setup is that it offers too much information, generally more than is needed for most situations, but it's nice to know that info is there if needed. The (only)other negative is that it takes up a fair bit of realestate on the panel. Other users I know are Paul Mander, and Mick Webster. Mick downloads his flights to OLC whilst on downwind, and Paul says that this machine is state of the art. We have put one into our club two seater, mainly fo the vario unction, but it can also be hooked to the flarm and display other flarm traffic on the screen. So, my recommendation is don't ignore his excellent , very low cost option until you have tried oe. I have and I will continue to use mine in both of my aircraft. I hope you are well. Regards Glenn McLean On 23/05/2014 10:11 AM, Richard Frawley wrote: All, I am seeking contact with anyone who has recent experience with the any of the latest generation of Vario (Butterfly, LX7, etc etc). They do seem to full of many features that I will never use (apart from the noise and the wiggly bit, I really only used a couple of things (wind and final glide as a backup) on the 302 I was using in the Mozzie) as I find the Oudie more than adequate for 'Compute' tasks. Do the new devices add any value in things like gust rejection or wind accuracy or anything that you find of personal value. Am looking to possibly replace some older kit in an LS8 I am acquiring. Regards Richard ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Nimbus or SH backrest
Shoebox!-you had shoebox. You were lucky-we had to live at bottom of lake. Glenn On 1/05/2014 9:52 PM, Ross McLean wrote: Hah! Good answer!! A friend of mine once described the Shorts as ...a wonderful aeroplane to fly, just don't look back over your shoulder at it when you get out after a flight.. ROSS Sent from my iPad On 1 May 2014, at 18:21, Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Ahh Rob that would be a Shorts 360 a proper man's shed Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 30 Apr 2014, at 8:48 pm, Robert Izatt thebunyipboo...@gmail.com wrote: Which shed will you be sitting in Justin? LOL The english teadher in me dies hard. Piano wanted by student with turned legs On 30/04/2014, at 8:31 PM, Justin Sinclair wrote: Hi all, My nimbus 2 has lost its backrest over the last 40 years, does anyone have a backrest that I could borrow sitting in a shed somewhere. Thanks J Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 98 fuel in motorgliders
Hi Macca The Shell refinery at Clyde has closed and they just import fuel from O/S. I don't know about Brisbane. The stain in the fuel is just a dye to differentiate the types. If it is damaging fibreglass tanks then it is likely that methanol is added. We don't use it at all, only Caltex -and that from a station which does not have e10 unleaded. Don't forget to reclaim the road tax component from your fuel bills if the fuel is used exclusively for aircraft. Regards Glenn On 19/12/2013 7:27 AM, Ian Mc Phee wrote: I am wondering if others in Australia are seeing a change in 98 fuel. Ours comes from Brisbane and I think is from Shell but for past 3 months has a very dark brown stain and more recently there was one lot with a deep orange colour. The issue is this new stain in 98 fuel really stains even correct German (with release note) clear fuel line and within say 6 weeks makes the tube a very dark brown and you can not see fuel in tube. Also recently Jabiru Aircraft have said DO NOT USE SHELL 98 in Jabiru aircraft which have fibreglass tanks as it is reacting with the fibreglass tank. Jabiru now say use 95 or Avgas even though most Jabiru s require 96 My concerns is this will show up in Turbo and Motorgliders like Duo and Arcus in the plastic tubes in the LHS of rear seat and may react with motorgliders like PIK 20 which have glass tanks. It could well be other states are not having an issue but think it is worth keeping an eye on and can send photo to anybody who asks. All this has come in over the last 3 months or so. Ian McPhee ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Good Press - Bunyan
There was a picture of the strip with the pawnee tied down outside a hangar on the ABC weather this morning.I'll watch for more tomorrow. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Stuart Kerri FERGUSON To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Good Press - Bunyan We are expecting more coverage on ABC News Breakfast at 7:30am during the weather presentation SDF From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013 4:51 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Good Press - Bunyan http://www.coomaexpress.com.au/story/1801439/gliders-land-in-cooma/?cs=567 -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Urine absorbent crystals
And then there is the noise problem -banging against the fuselage. Seriously though, there is an important point with using the crystals. Some years ago I had a bag split open after use. The crystals had made the plastic brittle, and the spares i had were also ready to split. It is important to use ziplock freezer bags, not sandwich bags, and I now double bag them as well. No more problems. Cheers Glenn - Original Message - From: Geoff Vincent To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Urine absorbent crystals Yeah, there was a bloke in our club with the same credentials but he ended up with gravel rash. Geoff V At 09:20 PM 12/11/2012, Ben Jones wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=_005_8F53118713E9C44C865A0FE4E83297CE12301119SINPRD0310MB379_; type=multipart/alternative I guess Iâ?Tm lucky having enough length to just hang it out of the clear view . Ben From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher McDonnell Sent: Monday, 12 November 2012 3:48 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Urine absorbent crystals Enter album name here VIEW SLIDE SHOW DOWNLOAD ALL This album has 1 photo and will be available on SkyDrive until 10-Feb-13. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring10ae2e0.png10ae2ef.png___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Springy Thingies
Hi Mark, They are just spring steel and should be avqailable from a watch/clock reairer. You would have to drill the two rivet holes and band to suit. Have you worked the side window installation out yet? I still have more of the offcuts if you need some. I blew another canopy for MW recently. We brought the bubble down an extra few Centimetres to try and get more curve in the transparency. We had a fire in the oven and the sheet had blisters and scoches on it and the sides collapsed when we lifted it up. Thinking we could only use it for experimenting (as it was stuffed), I put it back in and reheated it. Well, the most amazing thing happened- the sheet retracted back to flat as it heated up, and we soaked it for another hour. When we blew the bubble again, we took it lower, and all the imperfections had dissappeared. Keeping pressure in as we removed it from the oven stopped the sides going in and we ended up with the best bubble so far. After I cut it out and mounted it onto the annealing frame, we treated it and it is really rgeat. The colour is Green edge, -a very pale green, almost clear but with the 98% UV protection. I now have to get A 1mm piece made for the clearview window lip. Can you send a pic of yours? Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Mark Goodley To: Aus Soaring Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:17 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Springy Thingies Hello All, Can someone tell me where i can get those springy thingies that go on the clearview (sliding window) on the canopy. Cheers Mark -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Springy Thingies
Hmmm, Obviously I have hit the wrong button, reply was intended for Mark off line. Apologies all. Glenn - Original Message - From: Glenn McLean To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Springy Thingies Hi Mark, They are just spring steel and should be avqailable from a watch/clock reairer. You would have to drill the two rivet holes and band to suit. Have you worked the side window installation out yet? I still have more of the offcuts if you need some. I blew another canopy for MW recently. We brought the bubble down an extra few Centimetres to try and get more curve in the transparency. We had a fire in the oven and the sheet had blisters and scoches on it and the sides collapsed when we lifted it up. Thinking we could only use it for experimenting (as it was stuffed), I put it back in and reheated it. Well, the most amazing thing happened- the sheet retracted back to flat as it heated up, and we soaked it for another hour. When we blew the bubble again, we took it lower, and all the imperfections had dissappeared. Keeping pressure in as we removed it from the oven stopped the sides going in and we ended up with the best bubble so far. After I cut it out and mounted it onto the annealing frame, we treated it and it is really rgeat. The colour is Green edge, -a very pale green, almost clear but with the 98% UV protection. I now have to get A 1mm piece made for the clearview window lip. Can you send a pic of yours? Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Mark Goodley To: Aus Soaring Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 7:17 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Springy Thingies Hello All, Can someone tell me where i can get those springy thingies that go on the clearview (sliding window) on the canopy. Cheers Mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Acrifix
Hi Jenny, I can sell you some. Reply offline please. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Jenny Ganderton aviatrix726-soar...@yahoo.co.uk To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:27 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Acrifix Anyone know where you can buy Acrifix? To be more precise ACRIFIX® 1R 019 I tried google without much luck! Thanks Jenny ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Fw: Spotlight Magazine - Request to disseminateinformation to civilians [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi macca, I am still on dialup, but hoping to break into the current hi tech systems soon. The post wasn't too painful, and came through quite fast. Damn shame the gloriously expensive GFA couldn't have supplied this info to members, or at least copied it into what used to be our Gliding magazine. Cheers Glenn - Original Message - From: Ian Mc Phee To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 1:25 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Fw: Spotlight Magazine - Request to disseminateinformation to civilians [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Thanks to David Pietsch here is article on vision and aviation from Defence Aviation Air Force Safety.. Page 5 graph is what i was talking about - 55 year olds. There is a bit in the article and some of less interest to gliding but unfortunately I can say 100% of time i do not see other aircraft but young kids see them all Evidently my Eye doctor friend Petar N knew all about this. I hope there is nobody out there still on dialup as i will be in trouble Macca. -- Forwarded message -- From: David Pietsch dpiet...@internode.on.net Date: 2009/11/4 Subject: Fw: Spotlight Magazine - Request to disseminate information to civilians [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] To: Ian Mc Phee mrsoar...@gmail.com Macca, You are free to disseminate the attached article, as you see fit. Best Regards, David -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales
Hi dave, We've got the old scales at Richmond, but I think the modern ones are still at Temora. Try tom. 2. Just back from Narooma,. and will talk to our committee about MPL for Keepit. Will advise asap. Cheers Glenn - Original Message - From: Dave Shorter To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales Can anyone tell me who has the NSWGA weighing scales - required for National ClbSports comp at Lake Keepit in a few weeks. Reply off list please Dave Shorter - Competition Organiser Lake Keepit Soaring Club Inc 11 Lighthouse Crescent Emerald Beach, NSW 2456 Ph (02)6656 1979 Mob (0429)429 539 email treasu...@keepitsoaring.com __ NOD32 4489 (20091008) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 4489 (20091008) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales
Ah, a small mistake due to six hours driving making me a little tired. I had no idea this misshit would cause such offence and was waiting to see if anyone was miserable enough to moan about it. NSWGA has no property officer I am aware of. The reply was an atempt to assist preparations for the keepit comps. I am not in the least embarrassed,- just saddened at your pernicious approach to life. Sheeesh-yeah! Glenn - Original Message - From: Christopher Mc Donnell To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales Sheesh! Does NSWGA have a property/equipment officer ? Yeah! An on list reply is embarrasing. - Original Message - From: Glenn McLean To: d...@shorter.net ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales Hi dave, We've got the old scales at Richmond, but I think the modern ones are still at Temora. Try tom. 2. Just back from Narooma,. and will talk to our committee about MPL for Keepit. Will advise asap. Cheers Glenn - Original Message - From: Dave Shorter To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:10 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA weighing scales Can anyone tell me who has the NSWGA weighing scales - required for National ClbSports comp at Lake Keepit in a few weeks. Reply off list please Dave Shorter - Competition Organiser Lake Keepit Soaring Club Inc 11 Lighthouse Crescent Emerald Beach, NSW 2456 Ph (02)6656 1979 Mob (0429)429 539 email treasu...@keepitsoaring.com __ NOD32 4489 (20091008) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 4489 (20091008) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 4505 (20091014) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 4505 (20091014) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board Term of Office
Robert, GFA Board members,- Politicians and nappies should all be changed regularly--for the same reason. I do not agree that any terms of office should be extended. Glenn - Original Message - From: Robert Hart To: Soaring in Australia Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA Board Term of Office HI folks You may be aware that the current GFA constitution limits Board member terms to a maximum of 5 consecutive years. There are quite a number of current Board members who are approaching that limit. There is now a proposal to change that limit from 5 years to 8 years - as noted below, although this will require a change in our articles (which can only be done at a special GM or AGM). We need to think about this issue and determine our position. The arguments for the change are given in the email below. There is however the other side of the debate. One of the reasons that it is so difficult to find volunteers is that those who do join the Board or take on administrative roles fairly rapidly find the frustrations of the current system too great to bear - and they withdraw. The experience of quite a number of GQ personnel over quite some time illustrates this problem. To extend the term of office of individuals to 8 years would further cement the position of those holding office who do not have to face the membership in a direct election (the President, Vice President, Treasurer and the chairs of the major committees). I believe that extending the maximum term of office would be acceptable were the articles changed as follows at the same time:- 1.. the President, Vice President and Treasurer were subject to annual election by the membership at large. 2.. the Board level voting rights of the chairs of Operations, Airworthiness, Marketing and Development and Sports were removed. These positions should be policy advisors to the Board and on the Executive, actioning the policies set by the Board. They should not, however, be setting Board policy as this places them in the position of advising on, determining and actioning policy, which is generally held to be not be desirable. If these changes were implemented, I do not believe that a limitation of service would be necessary as the entire Board would be subject to annual election, a process that would allow the membership to remove those deemed to have passed their use by date. Looking forward to an interesting debate! Over to you... -- Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au Original Message Subject: TERM OF OFFICE Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:01:46 +0900 From: Graeme Wishart ness...@iinet.net.au To: bo...@sec.gfa.org.au Hi Everyone, At our Board meeting on Saturday 28th February the President listed item 4.5 Term of Office on the agenda for discussion. Listed were current Board members whose term in office would soon create an issue with Clause 12(e) of our Articles. This circumstance has occurred as a result of the new Board being recently established in 2005. The clause states: 12 e) A maximum consecutive term for any Board member shall be five years and shall apply except in special circumstances and where invited to continue, such an invitation being approved by at least two thirds majority of the Board. This is an explicit statement that restricts any Board member to a maximum of 5 consecutive years regardless of position. The intent of course was to ensure turnover of Board members and to prevent featherbedding, stagnation and empire building. There is no disagreement with the intent, however the reality is different. Individual members may come to the Board through more than one route and by gaining experience undertake several roles resulting in a period of continuous representation that would preclude them from taking on a different or more senior role on the Board. For example a member may represent a region for 2 years, take on treasurer for 2 years, Vice-President for 1 year and then be precluded from nominating for President. That representitive may be the only person willing to nominate or be the most suitable nomination. Or 3 years as Chairman of a Department, 2 years as Vice-president and then also be precluded from nominating for President, or any other position. In each case special circumstances may apply, however these special circumstances will inevitably become a common occurrence outside the intent of special circumstances. We now have a situation whereby the clause needs to be amended at the next AGM to allow freedom and flexibility for members to nominate for positions on the Board and still meet the spirit of the intent of the clause. The unintended consequences of the current limitation is that it does not allow a period of training,
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Contact for Glen Mclean
Stu, What's up? Call on 0419725691, or 0245725691(h). I'm going to be at the base most of tomorrow refitting the callair fuel tank. With Athol. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Stuart Welsby To: Aus-soaring Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:44 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Contact for Glen Mclean Hi All, Could Glen McLean please contact me or could some please forward his contact details, to sswel...@smartchat.net.au. Thanks in advance Stuart Welsby __ NOD32 3925 (20090310) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 3925 (20090310) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 3925 (20090310) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 3925 (20090310) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1993 - Release Date: 03/10/09 07:19:00 __ NOD32 3925 (20090310) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Membership Form
Here is ours. Glenn - Original Message - From: Mal Bruce m...@mals.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 6:51 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Membership Form GOOD Morning, Does anyone have a gliding club membership form I could use as a template in word 2007 format. Thanks in advance. Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 3704 (20081218) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 3704 (20081218) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.17/1846 - Release Date: 12/12/2008 6:59 PM __ NOD32 3704 (20081218) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com RAAF RICHMOND GLIDING CLUB Membership form.doc Description: MS-Word document ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Not working Tom. Glenn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:44 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Website is now up at www.flytemora.org.au Tom Gilbert __ NOD32 3557 (20081026) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 3557 (20081026) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 3557 (20081026) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 3557 (20081026) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1727 - Release Date: 10/15/2008 8:02 PM __ NOD32 3557 (20081026) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sim Update
Tom, That is looking spectacular. -I want one. Now if some australian scenery could be developed- Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Tom Wilksch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net; Adelaide Uni Gliding Club [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 11:41 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Sim Update The Sim is in a state of togetherness! Very satisfying to see after so long. Check it out: http://tomsglidersim.blogspot.com/ Tom ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 3597 (20081108) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 3597 (20081108) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1763 - Release Date: 11/2/2008 7:08 PM __ NOD32 3597 (20081108) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Start procedures
Hear hear dave. Spot on. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Dave Shorter To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Start procedures Message for the NCC. Dear Ross, I have refrained from entering into this discussion to date, but am concerned as others are, about what is happening to the starting procedures. I believe our present starting procedures have worked very well in recent years, they are well understood, and over a period of a week's flying any advantage gained by one start will even out. I think we should be very careful about changing procedures that are working well, particularly if the changes have a negative consequence for safety of pilots. So, this is my formal request to the NCC, as a competition pilot and occasional Comp Director, who was not invited to comment on the draft proposed rule change. My request is that the rule change be not implemented until all competition pilots are given the opportunity to comment and review discussion on the issue. I request that the NCC circulate amongst email lists of known competition pilots the proposals and discussion forthcoming, and notify membership in general by means of the GFA Soaring Australia magazine. (Please remember this aus-soaring site is not an official GFA site and only caters for a small number of GFA members.) I request that no final rule change be made on this issue until the above notification and discussion process has been completed, and then submitted to National and State pilot meetings during the forthcoming soaring season. I believe this then will comply with the intention of last year's pilot meeting resolutions to investigate how these procedures could be implemented. Please consider this email as a formal request from me to the NCC. Thank you Dave Shorter 11 Lighthouse Crescent Emerald Beach, NSW 2456 Phone/fax (02)6656 1979, mobile (0429)429 539 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Note no au in address) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2008 5:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Start procedures Guys Please see my previous emails on this topic. 30 May: If you go to the following link on the GFA website you will find the current set of rules, V1.53 August 2007. http://www.gfa.org.au/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=393Itemid=184; ...(snip).. The proposed rule changes are then circulated through various members of the gliding fraternity, experienced competition pilots, International pilots, thought leaders, previous members of NCC, and long time glider pilots, for a reality check. At this stage, after further NCC discussion, the rules can be amended, trialled, or scrapped. Only after this quite rigorous process are they implemented into a new revision of the rules. This process is currently in train for V1.6 of the rules which are still in Draft form. 31 May: The NCC has done as requested and is currently in the process of gaining consensus on the proposed rule. The rule has not been changed without the further chance to comment, the rule has been formulated, as requested, and is currently undergoing the rigour of gaining consensus, (or not). This is the accepted process and it is being followed. If you would like to understand the full details of the rule please feel free to contact me directly and I will be more than happy to discuss at length. Your opinions and views will be taken into account but I would like you to clearly understand the proposed rule as formulated. For the record, It bears absolutely no relation to the horrific nature of the rule that Gerrit, and others, were forced to use in Bayreuth, that sounded terrifying to say the least. As presently formulated it is not that different from the current rules and in fact the start circle is more than double the size, (increased from 3sq klm to over 7sq klm). ROSS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Hart Sent: Saturday, 31 May 2008 4:05 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Start procedures Ross McLean wrote: 3. *Height and Speed Restriction at Start Point:* David Jansen proposed a maximum starting height and speed for all National Competitions. This system was encountered by David Graham Parker at the 2007 18m Pre-Worlds and removes the potential for early launched pilots to gain an unfair height/speed advantage over later launched pilots. Tim Shirley advised that SeeYou is capable of scoring such a system. *Paul Mander moved that the NCC
Re: [Aus-soaring] Start procedures
Hi Bruce, Having used this start gate, and the start box system over many years at comps (mainly inter-service), I was glad to see this dangerous and unproductive practice eliminated. I am amazed that it has crept back into the system. The remote multiple start point system has been totally successful and I see no reason to change from that. The urge to start on an even playing feild should never overide safety issues, and the current system is definately best practise. My vote is leave the system as is. Regards - Original Message - From: Bruce Taylor To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Start procedures Just wondering if there is general knowledge of the new start procedures for Aussie nationals? I first heard of it last w/e at Kingaroy. Seems we will be both height and speed limited - obviously one must not be implemented without the other, and all this with the same style of beer can start point, albeit slightly enlarged. I have some serious issues with this idea regarding safety. Having flown with height restrictions at a number of competitions, I have found it a difficult exercise requiring lots of head-down time. I have only flown this rule in conjunction with a start LINE, where everybody must cross in the one direction - not so our new system. The pilot must confirm being below height limit, below ground speed limit and inside start radius while still within the start area. This area naturally has a concentration of glider traffic, which may be arriving/leaving/thermalling in any number of directions. I am not promoting we return to a start line - we abandoned that idea more than a decade ago in the interests of... safety. We have refined the multiple start point system to suit our weather and tasks, and I believe that it has saved lives. I imagine the new procedure was raised to promote the perception of fairness; it may offend competitors to think that someone has climbed to flight levels in shear wave, whilst they are fumbling below cloud base thousands of feet below. I have to say that I myself have benefited from such a situation... just once in nearly 20 years of competition. If this is the problem, all we have to do is ensure that the task setters do not set a first leg that goes downwind. Simple as that. Even if you do start with a height advantage, this will be entirely lost by the time you arrive at the first thermal climb with all those who started much lower, due to your having flown into a much stronger headwind. All experienced nationals pilots I have asked about this matter agree totally. I feel very strongly about this. The new procedure is difficult and dangerous, and I believe it has hit the table with less than the required amount of forethought. BT __ NOD32 3142 (20080528) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 3142 (20080528) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Special Request - Work Experience
Dion, The RAAF spends an absolute fortune trying to recruit persons such as this. I suggest you contact recruiting in adelaide and arrange for work experience on the base. Usually several positions are made available for potential ADFA joiners and Airforce Cadets. Regards Glenn Mclean - Original Message - From: D S Baker To: Aus Soaring Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Special Request - Work Experience G'day everyone! So as some of you may know, I work in an all girls school in Adelaide. A little while ago I had a student come up to me who was looking for work experience. She'd been to the career counsellor who in turn pointed her towards me saying I was a pilot and might have a few contacts. The student is 16 / 17 (in Year 11) and looking to become a pilot in the airforce when she graduates. For this years work experience, she wants to do the aero engineering side of things. I discussed this with her, and realised that she's a very determined girl. She seemed to know her stuff, already knowing a fair bit about aviation (apparently she's wanted to go into the airforce since she started school). When I mentioned the student to one of the teachers, she said that this particular student isn't scared doing the extra yard. As the teacher put it, she's not scared of a bit of hard work and doesn't mind getting dirty, willing to do what's needed to get the job done. From what I've seen of the student, I can strongly agree. In my opinion, I reckon she'd make a good helping hand for a week :) So I'm looking for someone in Adelaide (or surrounding areas I guess) who would be willing to take her on for one week for work experience. I must admint, I would prefer her not to have the hanger position of shitkicker, and actually have someone who would get her into the work (I believe she's good enough in all areas, and would do just as well as anyone else). If you can take her on, or know someone who might be willing, I would be very greatful if you would contact me. This would be very appreciated. Thanks, Dion Baker -- timmo you know what i hate timmo errors that wont go away Guilty So you dislike children too -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 3136 (20080527) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Penalty Units
Actually Mike, I believe the penalty unit was increased to $110 to allow for the GST. Cheers Glenn - Original Message - From: Mike Cleaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Penalty Units At 15:02 19/05/2008, you wrote: Re Penalty Points This is not just CASA speak , but Government speak. Last time I checked -some years ago - 1 point = $100.00. I guess that if the government wants to increase fines/penalties across the board for some reason - say for example a CPI change -it simply changes the value of the penalty point. This saves reprinting the legions of Acts and Regulations, that have penalty provisions! Gary Correct, Gary Under the commonwealth Criminal code the value of a Penalty Unit is adjusted from time to time to allow for CPI inflation. It is currently $110. Wombat ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 3107 (20080518) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] National Results
Cross Bread===Made at Easter. - Original Message - From: D S Baker To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] National Results Bread or bred? =D On 17/01/2008, Ashley Boyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe they are cross bread??? Ash Ash Peter Stephenson wrote: How can you have a Discus a/b and a Pik 20 a/b/e? PeterS Mal Bruce wrote: http://www.soaringspot.com/ausmulti2008/ Wish I had the time off work and spare cash for a glider depressing to think a comp is on and I am at bloody work. :( Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.5/1228 - Release Date: 16/01/2008 9:01 AM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Nafoi In our high school library, at the librarians desk there was a pair of scissors for students to use, to stop people from stealing them the genius had tied them to the leg of the desk with a piece of string. -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2804 (20080118) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rotax 535 c
Truly a crime worthy of the death penalty. What Philistine would do such a thing. Glenn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Rotax 535 c There might be a cheap one floating around now in the UK: http://blipmap.walsys.net/forum/index.php?topic=43.msg67#new ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2719 (20071212) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Any?
I do. 0409725691,or 0245725691 Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Patching To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:15 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Any? Greetings all and sundry, Does anyone have a Glasflugel seat back for Libelle, Hornet, Mossie etc ? Damaged OK. With or without adjuster. Thanks Patch __ NOD32 2708 (20071207) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2708 (20071207) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Family Tow Car
I've been watching the posts and must comment. I've towed all sorts of trailers in many varying makes -but most recently in my 0/6 Outback. The outback is by far the best towing vehicle I have ever used, and it is the normally aspirated 2.5ltr manual. The outback has load levelling suspension as well as almost every other desirable feature for our sport, and this ensures a level stance and correct handling at speed. The manual has a high/low shift for the transmission which splits the gear selection by 500 revs, so you end up with a 10speed selection. Cruising at highway speeds, it sips about 10.5 ltres/100km of standard fuel. On return from Benalla, I lost a wheel (complete) from my trailer at about 100kph in a thunderstorm, and the drive line simply compensated for the drag. I looked out to see the trailer tilted over -then braked to a stop. There was no wandering or fishtailing, the car stayed straight and we subsequently repaired the problem and continued home. I later found that the car had worn a bit more rubber from the left rear tyre whilst compensating for the drag. I am pretty sure if that had happened with my previous car, (falcon) I would have ended up wrapped around a tree near wodonga. Earlier soobies also have these features so if you can find one grab it. Glenn - Original Message - From: Dave and Cath [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Family Tow Car I hink cars can be somewhat idiosyncratic. I still have a '94 Magna Wagon which has been fantastically reliable. But then I don't tow with it :-) The Outback is a fantastic tow-mobile. I have the 3.0/6, but others tell me the 2.5/4 is OK. Still, the 180kw is great! Pity about the 95RON PULP, though. Dave L -Original Message- Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Family Tow Car I have a 1993 Magna wagon _However_ dont buy a Magna, they are junk cars. This one is the most unreliable piece of rubbish I have ever owned and I won't consider buying a Mitsubishi ever again! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2516 (20070909) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ACCIDENT INCIDENT REPORTING IN THE GFA
Jim and Gary, Latest research released shows that the additive sodium benzoate-a preservative used in choke, sprite and a range of other soft drinks, destroys DNA and to diseases such as Parkinsons. Probably safer to stay right away from the drink machine. Glenn - Original Message - From: Gary To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ACCIDENT INCIDENT REPORTING IN THE GFA Yeah Jim, I like the bit about not rocking the machine. It might put a different SLANT on things! Gary -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of james crowhurst Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2007 9:53 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ACCIDENT INCIDENT REPORTING IN THE GFA In the UK, a statistic was thrown around a few years ago that 5 people a year were killed by soft drinks vending machines and 4 people a year on average died in glider accidents. I've been more careful retreiving my Diet Coke ever since. Oh, and never rock the machine if it gets stuck. Thats sound advice! jim From: Ben Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ACCIDENT INCIDENT REPORTING IN THE GFA Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 20:31:56 +0900 Maybe if the results of a Accident/Incident were published this *might* just save a couple of lives every year, better some than none. Even if these reports were not published on paper , publishing on a website (in a members only area)where interested pilots and flying instructors could take and learn from some valuable lessons from those who didn't finish there flight as expected Ben - Original Message - From: Mark Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ACCIDENT INCIDENT REPORTING IN THE GFA What I am suggesting is that those who believe that some kind of magical safety panacea will be achieved if GFA would just publish more detailed accident data are _clearly_ wrong, and are consequently probably getting hung up on the wrong thing. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- Win tickets to the sold out Live Earth concert __ NOD32 2330 (20070615) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 13/06/2007 12:50 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 13/06/2007 12:50 PM -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2330 (20070615) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Scoring on aus-soaring
Tim, Absolutely spot on. Some of the list members may even be (shudder) hang Glider pilots, CASA or (even worse) Airservices employees.. We have enough trouble getting common sense and consensus among the glider pilot members of the list. Leave it as it is. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Tim Shirley To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Scoring on aus-soaring Perhaps surprisingly (given my status as a card-carrying apparatchik) I am going to disagree on the subjects of list moderation and the use of the list for gauging the opinions of GFA members.. I believe in free speech, and as a result I have to ask who moderates the moderator? I have a thick enough skin to ignore the occasional serve that comes my way, and to sift the list for the good stuff and my delete key takes care of the rest. I appreciate the freedom that the list gives for all to have their say in whatever way they wish, and I willingly defend their right to have that say. I've yet to see a bully on this list - not a successful one, anyway. I am opposed to aus-soaring being used as a gauge of GFA members opinions. While it has 313 members, as Robert says there is no indication as to whether these people are GFA members, or even glider pilots. Some of them may simply be interested spectators, and those spectators may have all kinds of motives. Not all of them may be our friends. Further, I seriously doubt whether this list can be representative. As with most lists of this kind it will be biased towards those with an interest in technology, and the time to spend monitoring it. It probably attracts the younger end of the demographic (Robert and I are exceptions) and it does not appear to have a strong showing of competition pilots. The statistic show also that the majority of contributions come from a very narrow group. Last month one contributor managed close to 10%, 13 people contributed 50% and 29 made more than 75%. There is no information at all about the membership status of these 29. This suggests that we are hearing from a very small group of people. Not the lists fault of course, but if the GFA were to take this as a sample of opinion, I am not sure it would be very representative. If the GFA wants to set up a moderated list open only to members then I'll support that. But I like aus-soaring just the way it is. Cheers Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Rowe Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 22:44 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Scoring on aus-soaring Gday Robert, My opinion is that open forums allow inaccurate information to enter the space, thus a semi controlled forum (moderated) like you are recommending is a great communication method that is very easily maintained using mostly technology rather than manpower and hardware. The biggest gain is correcting issues live, instead of heading them off a month later in the magazine. Most Government departments now use electronic medium as the sole means of disseminating information and this has had a very strong push behind it from government, to remove the beaurocratic faults (one mans opinion should not make a standard). Aus-soaring has some fantastic debates on very valid issues, but, left un-checked we are starting to see cyber bullying (yup just like the teenagers at school) and missinformation creeping in, a semi controlled forum would certaily be a great place to chat with like minded mates all over the country all year round. Control doesnt have to mean censored. I also believe it would allow a more democratic system to allow members to vote or voice opinion than what currently exists. The GFA is still pretty good at this when you take into account that it's a 60 year old entity, but times are a changing and we do need to, at minimum, keep up. The reality is we are at a complete contrast to our membership base, ab-initio is pretty much all hands on and no technology whereas at competition level, high tech rules. A correctly set up forum would allow all punters to see into all facets of the sport. Keep up the good work Robert. Cheers Mark Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 08:41:24 +1000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Scoring on aus-soaring Tim Shirley wrote: Hi all, I bet you didn't think that it was possible to score on this list... Thanks for this Tim - and Mark. With 313 subscriptions, that places Aus Soaring at about 10% of the GFA membership. I say 'about' because * there are people on this list that I know are not GFA members (but who do fly gliders) * there may well be people on this list that are not
Re: [Aus-soaring] Scoring on aus-soaring
Aaah Mike - I was waiting to see how long you took to respond. Your right of course, and there are many on the list who are multi faceted in aviation sport. They do present different views which are refreshing. Tims view is correct however, this forum should remain neutral and it seems to work best the way it is. The statistics are interesting but the list is not representative and as ben replied , any true census of topics for GFA would have to address all the membership and involve mail and email correspondence. Remember the last time that was tried? I think it was the vote on amalgamating with the HGFA and combining the magazines. I recall there was a very poor response although efforts were made to ensure all members were contacted. Cheers Glenn - Original Message - From: Mike Cleaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Scoring on aus-soaring Glenn, what the hell is this supposed to mean? As well as being a glider pilot who IS a GFA member, I am also a hang glider (well, Class 3 -non-rigid- i.e. paraglider - pilot) AND a CASA employee. Several well-qualified glider pilots share these attributes - like former World Champions who also fly hang gliders (and came to sailplanes that way!). Would you deny us the right to fly other kinds of aircraft as well, or to earn our living according to our skills and interests? And who said that consensus was desirable in all things gliding - surely the list would be poorer if there was nothing to argue about! As for common sense, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. (But don't expect the list to be representative of GFA members' views.) Wombat At 17:52 13/06/2007, you wrote: Tim, Absolutely spot on. Some of the list members may even be (shudder) hang Glider pilots, CASA or (even worse) Airservices employees.. We have enough trouble getting common sense and consensus among the glider pilot members of the list. Leave it as it is. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Tim Shirley To: mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Scoring on aus-soaring Perhaps surprisingly (given my status as a card-carrying apparatchik) I am going to disagree on the subjects of list moderation and the use of the list for gauging the opinions of GFA members.. I believe in free speech, and as a result I have to ask who moderates the moderator? I have a thick enough skin to ignore the occasional serve that comes my way, and to sift the list for the good stuff and my delete key takes care of the rest. I appreciate the freedom that the list gives for all to have their say in whatever way they wish, and I willingly defend their right to have that say. I've yet to see a bully on this list - not a successful one, anyway. I am opposed to aus-soaring being used as a gauge of GFA members opinions. While it has 313 members, as Robert says there is no indication as to whether these people are GFA members, or even glider pilots. Some of them may simply be interested spectators, and those spectators may have all kinds of motives. Not all of them may be our friends. Further, I seriously doubt whether this list can be representative. As with most lists of this kind it will be biased towards those with an interest in technology, and the time to spend monitoring it. It probably attracts the younger end of the demographic (Robert and I are exceptions) and it does not appear to have a strong showing of competition pilots. The statistic show also that the majority of contributions come from a very narrow group. Last month one contributor managed close to 10%, 13 people contributed 50% and 29 made more than 75%. There is no information at all about the membership status of these 29. This suggests that we are hearing from a very small group of people. Not the lists fault of course, but if the GFA were to take this as a sample of opinion, I am not sure it would be very representative. If the GFA wants to set up a moderated list open only to members then I'll support that. But I like aus-soaring just the way it is. Cheers Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Rowe Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2007 22:44 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Scoring on aus-soaring Gday Robert, My opinion is that open forums allow inaccurate information to enter the space, thus a semi controlled forum (moderated) like you are recommending is a great communication method that is very easily maintained using mostly technology rather than manpower and hardware. The biggest gain is correcting issues live, instead of heading them off a month later in the magazine.
Re: [Aus-soaring] all gliders need one of these
That would help, ---especially when on the downleg wind. - Original Message - From: Ben Jones To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] all gliders need one of these Guess I will have to add that to my wish list too, along with a Vibrator...err panel thingy ? . Got a Mk 1 Vario, but the vol is stuck on loud. Ben - Original Message - From: Nick Gilbert To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] all gliders need one of these http://www.winchesters.us/JantarForSale/PanelFulRes.html ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2277 (20070518) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] all gliders need one of these
What! You don't have one yet? Glenn - Original Message - From: Nick Gilbert To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] all gliders need one of these http://www.winchesters.us/JantarForSale/PanelFulRes.html -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2275 (20070517) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Them were the days
Rolf, They must have had a super crew of drivers and retrievers, -that's over 22 launches per hour for eighteen hours. Two drum winch, 11plus each side per hour,-5mins each launch and retrieve, wow that's impressive. I can't see that one being exceeded anytime soon. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: rolf a. buelter To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:01 AM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Them were the days I believe my old home club in the north west of Germany has the record number of winch launches per day. On a mid June day late seventies, commencing operations around 04:00 and flying through to about 22:00 (1/2 hr before and 1/2 hour after sun rise / set) we did 400 launches with one 2 drum winch. Best Regards - Rolf From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: Re: [Aus-soaring] Them were the days Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 11:13:46 +1000 Nick and others My record is 83 tows in one day in May with 2 bergfalkes (Geof Simm and Warwick Kenny were instructors while I did tows). We dropped all ropes and glider was sitting with rope attached and went straight on the tug.10 years earlier think we had about 75 winches with 2 single drum winches with scouts etc Ian McP - Original Message - From: Nick Gilbert To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:43 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Aus-soaring] Them were the days I would like Ian McPhee to tell us all (when he gets back from Melbourne) what is the most number of winch launches he has done in a day. Any one else want to have a crack at the title first? On 4/25/07, Mike Cleaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dunno - what sort of noise does it make in lift? and in sink? Wombat At 18:11 24/04/2007, you wrote: Ian's bum is not 8 normal bums, is it? 5 or 6 maybe! Oops! Sorry, doing that fun thing again. CMcD - Original Message - From: Caleb White [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: [Aus-soaring] Them were the days Correct JR, there are eight (8) As in MTE. -Original Message- From: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:36:25 +0930 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Them were the days Hey Patch, I read on the vintage glider site, that you test flew Daves Kooka, and that the varios didnt work , but like any good kooka pilot you used you bum as a vario. So my point is that all this time when I've been flying around you, you have had an excessively large advantage over the rest of us. So is there some sort of formula that can be applied to make it more fairer for all of us ? cheers JR MTE. - Original Message - From: Patching [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Them were the days Hit the send button too soon. Should be signed. Patch. - Original Message - From: Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Them were the days On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 10:46:00 +0800 Texler, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Worst thing was that I didn't get to go gliding You want to add aviation related trouble to a day like that?! And you tell that to the young folk of today. They wouldn't believe it! Nooo, they wouldn't. :) The bad part is, I suspect some of them would. Every retrieve story sounds like that! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.9/773 - Release Date: 22/04/2007 8:18 PM
Re: [Aus-soaring] blanik solo club
You had Grunau?--- You were lucky, we used to dream of Grunau. - Original Message - From: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] blanik solo club RIGHT, There was a hundred and fifty of us living in a Grunau, in the middle of the airfield, we had to get up in the morning, half an hour before we went to bed, clean the Grunau , and then go and work on the winch,unpaid, and when we got home our dad would thrash us to sleep with a tie down peg., and you tell that to the young people today , and they wont beleive you JR - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 6:22 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] aviation. To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2209 (20070421) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club'
What! Solo and silver C in a blanik? We used to dream of being able to cruise in such a hot ship. We used the 1-26 schwiezer for silver c, and solos in the 2-22. The Blanik and the ka6 were reserved for big flights, 300k. Glenn - Original Message - From: Allan Armistead To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:03 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club' And actually had to land out in a paddock, too, and dismantle the Kook and put it on the trailer, one piece wing and all. None of this out and return stuff. Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be. Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Roden Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2007 12:19 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club' Then they did their Silver C in the Kookaburra as well From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Armistead Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2007 12:05 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club' Ah, c'mon Mitch. Real pilots soloed in a Kookaburra. Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be. Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitchell Preston Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2007 10:59 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club' John, You've had several replies setting out the fate of GTC I'd like to add that I soloed in GTC as an intrepid 15 year-old at Grafton in 1976. Who else out there soloed in a Blanik? MP. On 18/04/2007, at 10:27 PM, John Parncutt wrote: Talking of Blaniks, does anyone know what happend to GTC. I learnt to fly in this Blanik in 1975 at Kilparra soaring Club at Tennant Creek NT. As far as I know the club is long since gone and the Blanik which was then owned by the clubs only instructor (as was the auto tow vehicle) may have ended up in Queensland. John Parncutt __ NOD32 2209 (20070421) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2209 (20070421) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club'
Brian, I flew out of Penang in 71-74, and travelled to Ipoh several times in the C172. I noticed two gliders packed up in a small shed on the airfield, and they looked like a couple of slingsby t21's. they were painted all silver from memory, and ants had invaded them. There was no gliding in Malaysia when I was there, but a small winch club was working in Singapore. Glenn - Original Message - From: Brian Wade To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club' Nuh - REAL pilots soloed in a single seater - in my case a Kirby Cadet on 26 Sep 1960 in Ipoh (Malaya). Brian Wade 07 3371 2944 0432 72 40 40 - Original Message - From: Allan Armistead To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 12:04 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club' Ah, c'mon Mitch. Real pilots soloed in a Kookaburra. Allan Armistead ph (02) 6249 6470, mobile 0413 013 911 PO Box 908, Dickson ACT 2602, Australia When once you have tasted flight, you will always walk with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been and there you always will be. Leonardo da Vinci, 1452-1519 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mitchell Preston Sent: Sunday, 22 April 2007 10:59 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] The 'Blanik Solo Club' John, You've had several replies setting out the fate of GTC. I'd like to add that I soloed in GTC as an intrepid 15 year-old at Grafton in 1976. Who else out there soloed in a Blanik? MP. On 18/04/2007, at 10:27 PM, John Parncutt wrote: Talking of Blaniks, does anyone know what happend to GTC. I learnt to fly in this Blanik in 1975 at Kilparra soaring Club at Tennant Creek NT. As far as I know the club is long since gone and the Blanik which was then owned by the clubs only instructor (as was the auto tow vehicle) may have ended up in Queensland. John Parncutt ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2209 (20070421) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2209 (20070421) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4?
Bruce, What an unfortunately obtuse comment regarding the Hornet. I realise that you are entitled to your opinion,- even when it is as incorrect as yours. PIO's are generally caused by poor pilot input, and not as you allude , a fault of the aircraft. All the glasfuegels need a little time to get used to the parellogram control system. Never had a pio in any of them. The most enjoyable aircraft I have flown, was the Mucha, and then SZD's finest production, the Cobra. I think they must have changed the engineering department after that, and not for the better unfortunately. The worst aircraft I have ever flown was without doubt, the Scwiezer 2-22. Unfortunately for me, I was sentenced to hard labour instructing in the barge for years, the only good point it did have -was a door for rear pilot entry. Cheers Glenn - Original Message - From: Bruce Campbell To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:19 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4? Stuart, Don't worry, it wasn't MP. Only flew one Hornet, that was enough. Of course if you reckon I'm wrong then I'd be happy to fly yours to be correctedHaving said what I said about Libelles too, I must say that I have flown about 4 Libelles and they were all fun, but I just prefer a Cirrus, they're even more fun - and thermalling a Cirrus is like cheating. They tell you the thermal is RIGHT THERE. Try flying my Dad's Libelle with the 17m Renner tip extensions for a whole new experience at rudder ineffectiveness. Why has no-one ever come up with a rudder extension mod for a Libelle?* With a rudder they'd be great! I'm going to have to stop replying to this list again... Cheers Bruce * H201b has a bigger fin, but the rudder is just as poor! On 17/04/07, Stuart Kerri FERGUSON [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bruce, I have never experienced PIO in my Hornet, and I hope your referring to a particular aircraft with your comment in brackets. SDF From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Campbell Sent: Tuesday, 17 April 2007 10:45 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4? Mitch, Std Cirrus is MUCH nicer to fly than a Libelle. Just don't let go of the stick, and don't fly it at the aft limit. Aileron/rudder coord is perfect. Libelle is shocking. Elevator is not pitch sensitive as such, it is just low stick force per G. That sounds counter-intuitive, but for normal control movements it is not sensitive, but excessive movements produce large G loading - esp if you let go of the stick and it gets a gust or something - then the stick goes to full travel (either way) and you get a large G response. Easy fix - DON'T LET GO OF THE STICK. I never had PIO in a Std Cirrus, and I've flown 7 of them now. I did have PIO in a Hornet (piece of junk) as there is no feel to the stick at all. Cheers Bruce On 17/04/07, Mitchell Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like the result of a Piper Cub and a K4 having a quick 'liaison' behind a hangar... Speaking of all-moving tails (boom tish!), I always found myself at least 10 seconds behind the similarly-adorned Janus that BT used to have at his Kentucky ops. I've never quite worked up the courage to get back into a glider of the AMT species. I'm sure my fears are unfounded - just a case of once bitten etc. I dips me lid to you Std Cirrus drivers. Can't be any more 'difficult' to fly than a Std Libelle, can they? On the topic of glider handling characteristics, an open question to all and sundry (and JR): which glider has had you walking away from it after landing saying Thanks, but no thanks? I don't mean the Libelle, by the way (my father had one - I thought it was tops). Alf Lying-Tale. On 17/04/2007, at 7:57 AM, Caleb White wrote: That's actually one of the more tasteful K-4 motor conversions I've seen photos of. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4?
Haven't tried the Barge?- As bad as their beer. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4? Haven't tried West End? Kevin McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/04/2007 09:11 AM Please respond to Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net cc Subject Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4? I though that Gliders were like beer, no bad ones, just some better than others. K From: Caleb White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4? Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:12:43 +1000 Itâ??s actually very simple, although itâ??s taken me ten years to work it out - My favourite glider is the one Iâ??m flying at the time. Thatâ??s any glider, wood, metal or even plastic. -Original Message- From: JR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 23:20:30 +0930 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4? Surely Bruce you cannot say that a cirrus has feel in the elevator circuit ? and as for hornets libelles mosquito,s they are nice and light on the controls, you think them around the sky, beautiful, a sailplane you can fly all day and still feel refreshed , I just like flying, and I dont mind most of the machines we have in Australia, my dislikes of some types comes from working on them. regards JR - Original Message - From: Bruce Campbell To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pipcher K-4? Mitch, Std Cirrus is MUCH nicer to fly than a Libelle. Just don't let go of the stick, and don't fly it at the aft limit. Aileron/rudder coord is perfect. Libelle is shocking. Elevator is not pitch sensitive as such, it is just low stick force per G. That sounds counter-intuitive, but for normal control movements it is not sensitive, but excessive movements produce large G loading - esp if you let go of the stick and it gets a gust or something - then the stick goes to full travel (either way) and you get a large G response. Easy fix - DON'T LET GO OF THE STICK. I never had PIO in a Std Cirrus, and I've flown 7 of them now. I did have PIO in a Hornet (piece of junk) as there is no feel to the stick at all. Cheers Bruce On 17/04/07, Mitchell Preston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like the result of a Piper Cub and a K4 having a quick 'liaison' behind a hangar... Speaking of all-moving tails (boom tish!), I always found myself at least 10 seconds behind the similarly-adorned Janus that BT used to have at his Kentucky ops. I've never quite worked up the courage to get back into a glider of the AMT species. I'm sure my fears are unfounded - just a case of once bitten etc. I dips me lid to you Std Cirrus drivers. Can't be any more 'difficult' to fly than a Std Libelle, can they? On the topic of glider handling characteristics, an open question to all and sundry (and JR): which glider has had you walking away from it after landing saying Thanks, but no thanks? I don't mean the Libelle, by the way (my father had one - I thought it was tops). Alf Lying-Tale. On 17/04/2007, at 7:57 AM, Caleb White wrote: That's actually one of the more tasteful K-4 motor conversions I've seen photos of. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ Advertisement: 1000s of Sexy Singles online now at Lavalife - Click here http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2Eau%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3Den%5FAU%26a%3D27782_t=762229680_r=lavalife_apr07_1000sexysingles_m=EXT ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
Re: [Aus-soaring] [Fwd: Newsletter Apr 1]
A good one for that date.Almost believable though. Glenn - Original Message - From: David Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] [Fwd: Newsletter Apr 1] From Tom Knauff's newsletter. Dave L Original Message Subject: Newsletter Apr 1 From:Tom Knauff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Mon, April 2, 2007 12:27 am To: -- The FAI (Federation Aviation International) has discovered an error in the calculation to convert Statute miles into Kilometers, which is causing the USA to forfeit many aviation records including nearly all claims for international gliding records. The NAA (National Aviation Association) is disputing the FAI ruling even though it seems they have confirmed the small error in the formula. The SSA (Soaring Society of America) has deferred the problem to the rules committee. As it turns out, many recent soaring contests have been computed erroneously, and some competition pilots are upset with the re-calculations which is resulting is some top-ranked pilots no longer having enough points to compete in the upcoming international contests. On the other side of the big pond, England is elated with the new ruling, since some of their pilots will now be ranked higher on the international scoring system. England only recently changed from furlongs, perches, and rods to measure distance, but still refuses to change the pronunciation of kilometers so it rhymes with thermometer. It is expected the new ruling will cause quite a stir, not only among the flying community but will also affect space travel, and perhaps ownership of certain land parcels near countries using the metric system. Schempp-Hirth has announced the availability of a new option for their glider designs to make them more popular among the group of left-handed pilots. No other manufacturer has considered the special needs of left handed pilots and simply have ignored the problem. Schempp-Hirth has identified the rather large percentage of pilots who are left handed, and will benefit from the simple modifications necessary in the control layout to make flying more comfortable. For more information, contact Schempp-Hirth sailplanes. In the future, if you are in the market for a used glider, you will need to ensure it is made for whichever hand you favor. I understand Glasflugel did build a few special left-handed designs, but their happy owners have zealously guarded most of these gliders, and few have made the used market. Thomas Knauff [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone 814 355 2483 fax 814 355 2633 www.eglider.org ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2161 (20070401) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera
Michael, Just opened my open road magazine and there on P53, is a Polaris rear view camera, 3 models with 130deg rear vision and a 9cm screen. Not cheap at $445, but would appear to suit your needs. Hope this helps. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Michael Shirley To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Lake Keepit is experimenting with an on board Tost rope recoil winch on our eTug that eliminates loss of rings, eliminates risk of tug upset (tug has a guillotine on the rope) reduces taxiing time, saving time and fuel. To speed up take up slack we want to mount a small video camera on the tug release bracket to see a colour marker on the rope (indicating rope nearly out) and also to see the glider has released. eTug has the ability to descend abruptly so safety demands certainty of glider release. Most car and truck rear vision cameras have a wide angle view - 95 to 110 degrees. We need about 45 degrees - can anyone help source a robust water resistant 12v video camera? Michael Shirley __ NOD32 2110 (20070312) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2110 (20070312) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera
Michael, There are several models, the phone contact is 130014-- Good luck. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Michael Shirley To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 4:04 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Hi Glenn Thank you, but my spec was for 45 degree field-of-view. Is there is phone contact, perhaps they make another model that meets specs? Cheers Michael -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn McLean Sent: Tuesday, 13 March 2007 2:46 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Michael, Just opened my open road magazine and there on P53, is a Polaris rear view camera, 3 models with 130deg rear vision and a 9cm screen. Not cheap at $445, but would appear to suit your needs. Hope this helps. Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Michael Shirley To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Lake Keepit is experimenting with an on board Tost rope recoil winch on our eTug that eliminates loss of rings, eliminates risk of tug upset (tug has a guillotine on the rope) reduces taxiing time, saving time and fuel. To speed up take up slack we want to mount a small video camera on the tug release bracket to see a colour marker on the rope (indicating rope nearly out) and also to see the glider has released. eTug has the ability to descend abruptly so safety demands certainty of glider release. Most car and truck rear vision cameras have a wide angle view - 95 to 110 degrees. We need about 45 degrees - can anyone help source a robust water resistant 12v video camera? Michael Shirley __ NOD32 2110 (20070312) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2110 (20070312) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ NOD32 2110 (20070312) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 2110 (20070312) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ideas please!
Scott, Your email always come as a blank screen with attachments. The text is in the attachment and I have to select this and open it if I want to read your message. Yours appear to be the only posts which present this way. Is it possible to change your outgoing emails or is it a security thing? Regards Glenn - Original Message - From: Scott Penrose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ideas please! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 1.1433 (20060307) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] seeyou/ volksloggers
Ron, See You does this almost automatically. Connect your volkslogger, turn on seeyou and under the "edit" button click on the "connection wizard". This opens a screen which allows you to select from various logger brands and upload or download waypoints, files, tracks etc, depends on which box you open. When you have selected your wishes, you may have to disconnect -then reconnect the logger as it picks up some files on the startup sequence. It all happens automatically from there, just click on the bottom button and wait until it is completed. Hope this helps. I too was puzzled when I first tried it,but soon became used to it. Regards Glenn Mclean - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2005 10:09 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] seeyou/ volksloggers Is any body out there able to help me use See you to down load flights from a Volkslogger and up load tasks and way points,please? Ron Sanders ___Aus-soaring mailing listAus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netTo check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring__ NOD32 1.1305 (20051125) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] What do I do?
Hi, It is also in the old Instructors Handbookbook, (Blue Book), page 14-9(a),and (b). it was always thus. Glenn - Original Message - From: John O'Neill To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:12 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] What do I do? Hello All, I have my 2nd GFA log bookdated 21/12/69 in front of me, no mention of any rules whatsoever in the log book. I still have a copy of the originalinstructors Handbook some where, will have a look in it when I find it. Regards John O'Neill --Original Message--- From: John Parncutt Date: 06/21/05 20:59:42 To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] What do I do? Pretty sure my first GFA logbook (circa 1974) had the rules of the air, I'll have to dig it out of storage to check. My second and third (current) GFA log books have the rules of the air on the last page. Perhaps someone with older GFA logbooks would like to comment? Probably a good argument to standardise on the GFA book rather than getting other club based ones printed which seems to be a waste of resources. John Parncutt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Peter Creswick Sent: Tuesday, 21 June 2005 8:38 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] What do I do? Not in mine John. It's a SCGC Camden log book, probably produced in the early 70's, at the latest, (fist logged flight 2/12/75) probably before the "GFA" log book even existed, perhaps ? Inside back cover is History / Ratings, but opposite page does have "General Information" which includes checks, Chaotic, Chob, Fust and Hhellt, and rules of the air (4) - head on, converging, overtaking and landing, AND rules in thermals (3) highest, first and joining. No 200 feet there either !!! John Parncutt wrote: By the way, anybody who hasn't seen the rules of the air, including the 200 ft rule might like to look at the back inside page of a GFA logbook, its all there! John Parncutt -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]*On Behalf Of *Terry Neumann *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 June 2005 2:25 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] What do I do? It is written: One could surmise that the author hadn't heard of the 200 foot rule either. LOL! One could, but one would probably also be wrong Mike Valentine, being the practical and thinking person he was, probably foresaw that to lay great stress on an arbitrary figure would possible cause most people to miss the point entirely - something which many of the well intentioned contributors to this discussion have demonstrated with exceptional skill. This 200 foot rule is a classic example of the old adage that "Rules are made for the guidance of wise men, and the obedience of fools". Wombat and a couple of others in this discussion, notably Kevin Roden, have more correctly pointed out that notwithstanding the 200 foot rule, sensible, and therefore safe flying in shared thermals is essentially a product of airmanship.Indeed I will suggest that it is one of the most crucial and important aspects of true airmanship.If your technique in sharing thermals keeps you at all times no closer that 200 feet and six inches from others, but causes those in other gliders concern, fear, or sheer terror, you have a long way to go in this area. Leigh touched on a very interesting point when he reflected on the thermalling parameters of his Super Grunau.Allow me to expand. How should everyone behave in a thermal which contains (say) his Grunau, Bernard's ASH-25,and a club ASK-21 on passenger flight, all with
Re: [Aus-soaring] Polar for Mosquito?
I sent dave the polar.xls program last night. I wonder how many thousand replies he recieved on this? Glenn - Original Message - From: Derek Ruddock [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 7:32 AM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Polar for Mosquito? I've sent Dave the print from POLAR GLIDE -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dave Boulter Sent: Monday, 31 January 2005 08:35 PM To: Aus-Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Polar for Mosquito? Hi, Does anybody have a Polar diagram for a Mosquito? Thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- This communication, including any attachments, is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not read it - please contact me immediately, destroy it, and do not copy or use any part of this communication or disclose anything about it. -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ NOD32 1.987 (20050128) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.nod32.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: NSWGA Notice of AGM 28 Aug 04 Camden
Kerrie, Brilliant, The annual CCSC Gloucester camp runs from 21-29th August. Does anybody ever check these things before setting meeting dates. The camp was organised months ago. Glenn - Original Message - From: Jason Jemima Armistead To: Aus-Soaring Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: NSWGA Notice of AGM 28 Aug 04 Camden FYI all glider pilots in NSW and ACT From: "Kerrie and Tom Claffey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: All NSW Gliding ClubsSubject: NSWGA Notice of AGM 28 Aug 04 Camden Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:41:51 +1000NOTICE OF ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING OF NSWGADate: Saturday 28 August 2004Time: 7.00 pmPlace: Southern Cross Gliding Club, Camden Airport Agenda: Regular business Officers' reports Operations reports and planning Department of Sport and Recreation Funding Election of Officers General Business Special business Restructure of NSWGA Winding up company limited by guarantee Conversion to incorporated association or committee of GFA See report attached NSW Championships Need for alternate site due Lake Keepits recent loss Due to the importance of the restructure and the requirements of the current articles, it is important that as many club representatives, preferably presidents, attend as possible. Travel expenses will be refunded. Kerrie ClaffeySecretary ___Aus-soaring mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]To check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: NSWGA Notice of AGM 28 Aug 04 Camden
Stuart, Thanks for your input. The point however, this meeting has been announced with inadequate notice to intrested parties to plan their attendance, not just "send a representative". Further, there has been no notice of agenda, and insufficient time to allow submission of anytopics for inclusion. Previous minutes have not been posted etc. etc. My suggestion is that the committee sharpensthepencil and gets some real communication going with the clubs it purports to represent. This would include agreement on meeting dates, or establishment of a fixed set of dates early in the year for future meetings. In this age of instant communication, there really is no excuse for setting a meeting to "get it out of the way before the comps start". Glenn - Original Message - From: skf1 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:40 PM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: NSWGA Notice of AGM 28 Aug 04 Camden Glenn I am sure what ever weekend or day of the week this meeting is held it will clash with something somewhere - that is the way it is this time its you camp. I am sure you can find some to represent your club if you wanted to. SDF PS I am on the tug roster that day too but I or a club rep will be there. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn McLeanSent: Friday, 13 August 2004 9:44 PMTo: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: NSWGA Notice of AGM 28 Aug 04 Camden Kerrie, Brilliant, The annual CCSC Gloucester camp runs from 21-29th August. Does anybody ever check these things before setting meeting dates. The camp was organised months ago. Glenn - Original Message - From: Jason Jemima Armistead To: Aus-Soaring Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:21 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: NSWGA Notice of AGM 28 Aug 04 Camden FYI all glider pilots in NSW and ACT From: "Kerrie and Tom Claffey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: All NSW Gliding ClubsSubject: NSWGA Notice of AGM 28 Aug 04 Camden Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:41:51 +1000NOTICE OF ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING OF NSWGADate: Saturday 28 August 2004Time: 7.00 pmPlace: Southern Cross Gliding Club, Camden Airport Agenda: Regular business Officers' reports Operations reports and planning Department of Sport and Recreation Funding Election of Officers General Business Special business Restructure of NSWGA · Winding up company limited by guarantee · Conversion to incorporated association or committee of GFA · See report attached NSW Championships · Need for alternate site due Lake Keepits recent loss Due to the importance of the restructure and the requirements of the current articles, it is important that as many club representatives, preferably presidents, attend as possible. Travel expenses will be refunded. Kerrie ClaffeySecretary ___Aus-soaring mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]To check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring__ NOD32 1.840 (20040811) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com ___Aus-soaring mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]To check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring__ NOD32 1.840 (20040811) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.nod32.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Parachutes
Ken, I found out today that Parachutes Australia have issued a Service Bulletin (No.PA SB9502 Rev 2) which lifes their containers,harness and canopies for the types listed, at 20yrs. The list includes most types which we normally use in gliders, including the slimpacks and thinbacks. If the equipment has exceeded that time, it is to be taken out of service. We have 8 which are suddenly of no use, and I suspect many other clubs are in a similar situation. I don't recall seeing any advice on this matter and note that the bulletin distribution did not include GFA, althoughI was told "someone at GFA office"was informed. As there is a requirement to have a serviceable parachute for comps, this may affect some entrants to this years events. Forwarded for your information. Regards Glenn Mclean ___ Aus-soaring mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [aus-soaring] Canberra Club wants Starion Release Tester
Alan, We have a release tester at RAAF Richmond which we got from Len Diekman. Not sure if it is the Southern one, or Central NSW. It will be needed at Bathurst for the Airworthiness course this month. If you need it urgently prior to that, please contact Len - so he can keep track of its whereabouts. Regards Glenn McLean - Original Message - From: Alan Wilson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Bruce Campbell ; Paul Wiggins Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 10:19 AM Subject: [aus-soaring] Canberra Club wants Starion Release Tester HELP!! The Canberra Gliding Club is looking for the Southern NSW GFA Release Tester. It was sent to another club/individual early late last year/early this year. The Club has several releases that need to be tested. We would like to avoid the cost of having the releases commercially tested. Could anyone knowing where it is please advise the two addressees on this email. Alan Wilson Ph 0416 2312641 [EMAIL PROTECTED] will not access e-mail til 24 OCT
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Re: [aus-soaring] Flying Jokes
Mike, I apologise for hitting the wrong button on sending you my email, it was not intended to go to the web site, but to you personnally. I have no intention of having a public debate on your GFA bashing attitudes online, but would respond to you privately. You are entitled to hold the views you outlined, however, I do not agree with them, (or Pincus) , and that is my perogative. But-- It is always useful to have alternative views put forward, so long as they are useful, well intentioned, and offer details to pursue them. Perhaps you could assist with some definitve outlines which would assist the recovery of our sport, and refrain from the negatives which seem to persist in all your corro. I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Glenn McLean - Original Message - From: Mike Borgelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Flying Jokes At 08:27 AM 14/12/01 +1100, you wrote: Mike, Although you have been very helpful in past contacts with freely giving assistance and information, I have to reply to your last couple of shots at the GFA. I am an instructor and have freely given my time and resources for the last thirty years at the RAAF Richmond club. I have also been RTO/Ops central NSW for the last four years. Mike I feel personally insulted by your assertations that instructors do not have faith in their training as I have worked very hard towards getting instructor standards to the highest point and maintaining them. As a power pilot I am sure that the system we employ is superior to what you get at a local flying school, in all abinitio aspects. Glenn, Having been gliding for 35 years and power flying for the last 8 I have to disagree with you about ab initio instruction. In all good conscience I cannot recommend anyone take ab initio instruction in the GFA system. I would have been extremely unhappy if Carol had wanted to do ab initio training in gliders instead of at the local Aero Club. There are no doubt some places where you can get good ab initio instruction in gliders but merely the fact that someone is a GFA instructor or the training operation has been accepted by the GFA is not in my experience a guarantee of this. The same can apply to power training but it is easier to choose a school and instructors you are comfortable with. I also find ab initio training in gliders to be appallingly inefficient. It is the nature of the vehicle that is the problem as it requires far too much ground and launching support. Take a look at the retention rate in gliding training. It is time for a re think. I think Peter Rundle's 20% estimate is unfortunately hopelessly optimistic. If your opinion is jaded by the actions of a few of the cowboys in the system, that is unfortunate, but overall I am sure you must agree that most instructors are not in that category and that your comments were unkind, unfair, and largely untrue. In my experience most GFA instructors a) don't get enough instructing hours per year and b) don't do enough solo flying of their own. The first is largely a system problem, the second goes to motivation. Having these people somehow responsible for my operation is obnoxious. You might be surprised at who these cowboys as you call them were. I know the names. Several involved in the incidents/accidents I mentioned are/were CFI's or higher in the GFA system. The GFA is nothing more than a collective of people who mostly work in their own time, mostly unpaid- towards conserving the freedoms our sport has and ensuring systems are in place to maximise safe operations. Oh dear God the we are only volunteers excuse again. Actually the GFA is a private company isn't it, not a collective? It has a stated aim of being the ONLY body to control gliding in Australia, something I find extremely objectionable. Exactly what freedoms are you talking about? As a PPL holder and homebuilt experimental aircraft owner I have far more freedom to operate with far less official involvement than I do as a glider pilot. The accident rate in gliding isn't anything to be proud of so maybe the GFA systems aren't so good after all at obtaining safe operations. After being involved in operaations for a while, I can attest that those I have been in contact with, have only the best intentions for maintaining those freedoms we have , in an ever increasing environment of over regulation. Sorry, but this is claptrap. Australian aviation at the recreational end has had quite a few wins in the direction of less onerous regulation in the last few years. Unfortunately the GFA doesn't appear to have much to do with this and seems reluctant to make use of the new rules. The road to hell is paved with good intentions - sorry about the cliche. I'm sure that many tens of thousands of man hours are expended each year by the volunteers in the GFA with the best of intentions
Re: [aus-soaring] Flying Jokes
Mike, Although you have been very helpful in past contacts with freely giving assistance and information, I have to reply to your last couple of shots at the GFA. I am an instructor and have freely given my time and resources for the last thirty years at the RAAF Richmond club. I have also been RTO/Ops central NSW for the last four years. Mike I feel personally insulted by your assertations that instructors do not have faith in their training as I have worked very hard towards getting instructor standards to the highest point and maintaining them. As a power pilot I am sure that the system we employ is superior to what you get at a local flying school, in all abinitio aspects. If your opinion is jaded by the actions of a few of the cowboys in the system, that is unfortunate, but overall I am sure you must agree that most instructors are not in that category and that your comments were unkind, unfair, and largely untrue. The GFA is nothing more than a collective of people who mostly work in their own time, mostly unpaid- towards conserving the freedoms our sport has and ensuring systems are in place to maximise safe operations. After being involved in operaations for a while, I can attest that those I have been in contact with, have only the best intentions for maintaining those freedoms we have , in an ever increasing environment of over regulation. The organisation could benefit from your knowledge and experience, should you wish to assist. There are many ways you could do this, but constantly publishing derogatory comments achieves nothing- and I would be pleased if you could cease that. If you have no success in getting your views put to GFA, through your local representatives, I will be happy to act for you, or you could enquire about development of local regional operations panels, through your RTO/Ops. In closing, I must let you know that we recently purchased a B50 from you, which was shipped without the temperature probe and the panel adaptor. Delays in fulfilling this order correctly has resulted in our losing four flying weekends ( the adaptor arrived yesterday). Some attention to detail could be required on your part. Regards Glenn McLean - Original Message - From: Mike Borgelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [aus-soaring] Flying Jokes At 12:57 PM 12/12/01 +1000, you wrote: The three best things in life are a good landing, a good orgasm, and a good bowel movement. The night carrier landing is one of the few opportunities to experience all three at the same time.(A DC-9 captain trainee attempting to check out on the 'glass cockpit' of an A-320.) Now I know what a dog feels like watching TV.It only takes two things to fly: airspeed and money. up, the pilot dies. If ATC screws up, the pilot dies.It's better to break ground and head into the wind than to break wind and head into the ground. usually quits whining when it gets to the gate.A copilot is a knot head until he spots opposite direction traffic at 12 o'clock, after which he's a goof-off for not seeing it sooner.Without ammunition the USAF would be just another expensive flying club.If something hasn't broken on your helicopter, it's about to.I give that landing a 9 . . . on the Richter scale.Basic Flying Rules: 1. Try to stay in the middle of the air. 2. Do not go near the edges of it. ground, buildings, sea, trees and interstellar space. It is much more difficult to fly there.Unknown landing signal officer to carrier pilot after his 6th unsuccessful landing attempt: You've got to land here son, this is where the food is.***And a personal favourite: New FAA motto: We're not happy, till you're not happy. You got it wrong. The last is the GFA motto. Mike Borgelt Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments ABN 75532924542 Box 7474 Toowoomba M.C. Queensland 4352 Australia Tel 0746 355 784 mob 0428 355 784 0429 355 784 fax 0746 358 796 International phone:int'l+ 61 7 46 355 784 Cellphone:int'l +61 4 28 355 784 int'l +61 4 29 355 784 fax :int'l+ 61 7 46 358 796 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website:www.ozemail.com.au/~mborgelt -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information. -- * You are subscribed to the aus-soaring mailing list. * To Unsubscribe: send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] * with unsubscribe aus-soaring in the body of the message * or with help in the body of the message for more information.
