Re: [Aus-soaring] new weather site
See also the original(?) one in this style http://earth.nullschool.net/ , they both use same data source (GFS). On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 7:21 PM, Mike Borgelt < mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote: > Anyone else seen this? User interface is nice: > > > > www.windyty.com > > Mike > > > > > > *Borgelt Instruments* - > *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * > www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] IS28's back in the air?
According to rec.aviation.soaring: "The Romanian Aeroclub would like to inform you that has requested and obtained the EASA approval for an STC which replaces the lifetime limitation of 35 calendar years by periodical inspection (structural health control) on every 2 years for IS-28B2 gliders. Romanian Aeroclub will apply this STC for its own gliders and plans to apply it to the IS-28B2 gliders which are under private property. Please inform us if you are interested in respect with this particular STC and if so, communicate us how many gliders are in this situation" ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider at HallsCreek WA?
Probably the Richmond(?) DG1001M that went through Alice Springs last week? Anyone know if they're blogging their adventures somewhere? On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:04 PM, John Welsh jwe...@arach.net.au wrote: Hi Folks, A friend of mine works at Halls Creek Met Office in the far north of WA sent me this photo of a glider in the area today. It looks like a DG1001, anyone know who’s up there and what are the conditions like? Regards, John Welsh. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] more on ADSB
Since we're going down this tangent, there's a new kid on the sat tracking block - Delorme's InReach. Offers higher update frequencies than SPOT's, *two* way messaging (this is the killer feature), and I believe they also send altitude information, unlike the SPOT's. Roughly twice the cost though. I think this one is especially cool, includes a solar panel - http://www.inreachdelorme.com/product-info/inreachse_extreme_bundle.php I haven't used one myself but I have heard very good things from pilots overseas. Do check of the coverage maps for both SPOT and InReach, they're not actually global (ask the pilots in Namibia...) On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 7:07 PM, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: On 28 May 2015, at 4:25 pm, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: It has been pointed out to me that all we really need is the cellphone network. Implement flight tracking for everyone using the web via the cellphone 3 or 4G and receive the information on tracked aircraft via the same method. Essentially unlimited range and 15 second updates are plenty at longer ranges. AMSA are about to implement the tracking via AvPlan so you can let them know you'll be doing this. If you don't show up it will help the search. That’s essentially what Spot Trackers are: Hockey-pucks that know how to send Iridium satphone SMSs, so they can work anywhere, including where terrestrial cellphones aren’t. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Avplan live
Skylines + XCSoar have had this functionality for some time. You'll often see some of the juniors live on skylines. On 4 May 2015 12:13 pm, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Looks like the whole flight tracking thing just happened. Avplan is a GREAT piece of software. I used it on the way back from Perth in January. We had Telstra data comms all the way both ways. Unparalled situational awareness. No I'm not getting a cut. Twitter? Fakebook? Isn't there some other way to share? Mike Introducing AvPlan Live View this email in your browser http://us4.campaign-archive2.com/?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=d434ab54c9e=4e6158a4fd [image: []] *Introducing AvPlan Live * *Live in-flight aircraft tracking and position reporting*Today we are introducing AvPlan Live! AvPlan Live brings live flight tracking to AvPlan EFB. When enabled, your devices will automatically send position reports via the internet every 15 seconds. This is a free service for all AvPlan EFB subscribers. These position reports are extremely light weight and when combined with a good coverage cellular network (Telstra in Australia for example) will enable your aircraft to be tracked with very good accuracy. The amount of data sent by your device is also very small - around 30 KB per hour while in flight. You do not need to have submitted a flight plan either, the service will work if you have a flight plan in the system or not. In Australia, soon you will be able to submit notification that you are using this service, and AMSA will be able to pull up details of your last known location if you happen to not arrive at your destination and a search is initiated. This will save a lot of time if a search is commenced and will ensure you are located sooner than before. [image: []] When you share your flight plan via Twitter or Facebook, others can view your flight plan, current location and ground track. If you do not share your plan via these mechanisms, then your current location not viewable by anyone but yourself (when looking at the My Flights http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=9f9e1c49d1e=4e6158a4fd section of our website). *How reliable is it?*We have developed a very lightweight protocol which is proving to be incredibly reliable over cellular data networks. Our beta testers have been busy flying in remote parts of the country to assist us in the development process. On one example flight from Lightning Ridge to Burke in Western NSW, every position report was received by our service. *How to get started with AvPlan Live* 1. Open AvPlan EFB on your device(s) and tap *Settings*, *User Settings*. 2. Enable the 'AvPlan Live' user setting 3. Enable the 'Sync plans via cloud' setting 4. Share your flight via twitter or Facebook to allow others to follow your flight. If you do not share your plan via these mechanisms, then your location will remain private. However we will share your last known position with AMSA if we are contacted in the event you do not arrive at your destination (which has happened in the past). *Other additions in AvPlan EFB 5.0.1*AvPlan Live isn't the only new thing we have added. In AvPlan EFB 5.0.1 we have added the ability to save flight status and flight callsigns. These will be remembered and reused. The full release notes for AvPlan EFB 5.0.1 are available on our website http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=770b295751e=4e6158a4fd. Renew http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=d1d2cff5b4e=4e6158a4fd [image: Facebook] http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=7047b360b8e=4e6158a4fd Facebook http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=51bd6a796ce=4e6158a4fd [image: Twitter] http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=9895f3f302e=4e6158a4fd Twitter http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=b1d8383c50e=4e6158a4fd [image: Website] http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=f7db40510ee=4e6158a4fd Website http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=7cfc483723e=4e6158a4fd *Copyright © 2015 AvSoft Inc, All rights reserved. *You are receiving this email as you either signed up via our iOS apps, or via our website at www.avplan-efb.com unsubscribe from this list http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage2.com/unsubscribe?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=ff213ae201e=4e6158a4fdc=d434ab54c9 update subscription preferences http://avplan-efb.us4.list-manage.com/profile?u=05e2c7aac13473c15d99e90f2id=ff213ae201e=4e6158a4fd *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07
Re: [Aus-soaring] varios, redundancy
Which turns out to be remarkably self enforcing, because for someone who's only ever flown with a vario it's extraordinarily hard to get out of gliding distance without one. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Sean Jorgensen-Day sean.jorgensen...@bigpond.com wrote: *“*For the paleo engineless gliders you are likely to risk an outlanding with its attendant hazards. Pretty stupid to risk breaking your glider or yourself over lack of a backup.” So you are saying that a outlanding is a risky occurrence? People are outlanding all the time, except for a few occasions they seem to be walking away and still have a glider they can use. Maybe we should ban outlandings? Suggested new rule may read: “You must remain in gliding distance of a suitable landing point, unless you have a working vario.” ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FLARM update
FYI: FLARM has now published it's latest update - v6. It's available here: http://flarm.com/support/firmware-updates/ The protocols in the current version (v5) and new version (v6) are supposedly totally incompatible, so please update your FLARMs before next flight or you won't be able to see pilots with the other version. soapbox opinion I think it's very irresponsible of FLARM to publish a backwards incompatible upgrade like this. I am glad I am not flying in the Alps this weekend. /opinion ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] FOR SALE: Parcel shelf parachute
Did you have one too many christmas puddings and now don't fit in your glider? Did you buy an 'a' fuselage glider and find it a little less 'cosy' and a little more 'uncomfortable'? Is your centre of gravity too far forwards? Would you rather CONFOR and cushions under you than some lambswool and fabric? Thanks to months of yoga, dieting, (and some small glider modifications), I am now able to contort myself such that I can actually fit in my own glider with a regular parachute, so subsequently my parcel shelf parachute is for sale. You wear a harness, and stick the parachute in the parcel shelf area. It's a static line so no fumbling for handles as you plunge to the earth. More details here: https://www.gliderpilotshop.com/emergency-parachute-10-30-24-ii.html Perfect condition, 1.5 years into the 15(+) year lifespan. New is ~3000$ landed in Australia (w/GST). Asking 2150$. I would consider a swap (with cash) for a slim parachute (National 360 or similar). ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competitive club class sailplane wanted to buy.
noun: scutter; plural noun: scutters 1. an act or sound of scuttering. there was no sound in the wood, no scutter of tiny beast On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 9:24 pm Justin Sinclair jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au wrote: What's a Scutter mate, never heard of her Justin Sinclair 17 Queen st. Scarborough Qld 4020 Hm 07 3885 8949 Mob 0421 061 811 Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au Sent from my iPad On 19 Feb 2015, at 8:14 pm, Grant Hudson granthuds...@gmail.com wrote: Scutter in a Phoebus would eat Ingo alive! Grant Hudson On 19 Feb 2015, at 15:38, James Dutschke james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com wrote: The gauntlet has been thrown. I betting Ingo could bring a std cirrus out of retirement and show who's who, what's what. Sent from my iPhone On 18 Feb 2015, at 22:23, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Benalla next 2 years will be multiclass, not Club Class. I rather doubt that the winning glider in January 2017 will have cost less than $60K. :) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Airspace infringement checker
http://xcaustralia.org/aircheck/aircheck.html The hang/paragliding guys have put together a great tool to check your flights for airspace infringements. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus RASP
AusRASP is now functioning again, still with the old data source though. In coming days I'll see if it can be made to work with the new higher resolution GFS, but the current hardware may not be up to it. On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:04 am Chris Runeckles cmruneck...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Guys Does any one know what the status is on the Aus RASP, after the data source upgrade ? It still seems to be off line at the moment, and it would be nice to use it for this weekend. Many thanks Chris Runeckles GCWA ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] RASP issues
XCSkies seems to be broken too, as well as just about everything that uses GFS. Kind of tragic given this change has been in the works for years! Of course RASP is all volunteers, but the paid services could have handled it better... I understand part of the upgrades was increasing the resolution of the seed data from 36km grids to 13km grids so we might see more accurate forecasts once they're fixed? On Sat, 17 Jan 2015 10:15 am Bernie Baer bb...@internode.on.net wrote: FYI: RASP instances world wide are experiencing problems due to NCEP making a change to the seed data that RASP uses. NCEP changed both the naming convention for the data files and the internal structure. Lots of people working on this world wide but no formal resolution yet. Regards, Bernie. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 135, Issue 78
The horizon appears higher, and pilots in flatland sites are often taught to judge airspeed based on nose attitude on the horizon. On Sun, Dec 28, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Richard Frawley rjfraw...@gmail.com wrote: I infer from this thread that the general view is that a pilot (perhaps more so in low hours) has a higher potential to spin when thermalling or attempting to thermal at less than 500' AGL than at higher altitudes. If so, why? What behaviours and responses are different? Richard Sent from my iPhone On 28 Dec 2014, at 11:59 am, aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net wrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training (stephenk) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2014 11:29:44 +1030 From: stephenk steph...@internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] ASK21 spinning was Re: Spin training To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 549f5600.7050...@internode.on.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed And that is what is so annoying about this whole discussion. Only a little factual documentation* exists about the whole issue. Yes, I have seen a number of posts by the person you mentioned but dont recall/cant find one like that. Here's a post from the same person https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.aviation.soaring/JQvuWQYd-9k regarding the rudder dropping off a Puchacz, with later posters giving a link to an FAA report which purportedly confirms it. Except the link doesn't confirm it, no incident seems to exist in the FAA database now and another poster said they were from the club in question and the source of the story wasn't telling what really happened. It's happening in this thread too, Derek said he recalled 26 fatalities from Puchacz spin accidents and Bernard has talked about 26 fatal spin accidents. Meanwhile has anyone ever actually seen the original list which was being discussed in the mid 2000's? *And yet another example. Bernard recalls Mike Valentine calling the Puchacz a widow maker. In my previous reply to Derek I almost made mention of _my_ recollections of what Mike V said. Strangely enough, I was at those instructor seminars which Bernard refers to, as from the late 80's till about 2000 I was CFI of Port Augusta gliding club. I do remember Mike V talking about the Puchacz and calling it an honest aeroplane. ie in the sense that it behaved in a text book manner, if you mishandled it it would depart into classic spin behaviour and because it was heavy it would take a fair bit of space below to recover. Not saying Bernards recollection is entirely wrong either, we might be remembering two different parts of the same elephant. Regards SWK On 28/12/2014 10:41 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: I've never seen an official NTSB report on it but it was reported on r.a.s. in a thread on Puch spinning after another Puch spin in elsewhere. IIRC it was Cindy Brickner who posted that information. R.a.s. Is probably archived somewhere. Note also we've had one near spin in by two level 3 instructors in W.A., reported here by one of them And a Puch spin in at Narrogin by an experienced instructor with student from low level thermalling. Maybe all the spin recovery training in the world is simply ineffective when the aim is to prevent spinning in the first place. Spinning is not a normal manoeuvre in soaring flight. Spin prevention training doesn't seem to help much either, although both are a good idea. Simulators may help but we have no information. It seems possible that the real problem is that task prioritisation has been incorrectly or not taught, including the ability to not get distracted, focus on just one thing and forget all the others. It only takes a few seconds. As Alan Rundle once said flying is easy, you can teach a monkey to fly an aeroplane. It is the thinking that goes with it that is hard to teach. Mike On 27 Dec 2014, at 10:05 pm, stephenk steph...@internode.on.net mailto:steph...@internode.on.net wrote: Mike, you've made this claim before. I assume it is another incident, not the Caracole one (because they weren't that high, nor were they ex test pilots) But I've never been able to find any other
Re: [Aus-soaring] lake glenmaggie private strip
Probably John Gwyther, if the OLC is anything to go by - http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightsOfAirfield.html?aa=GLENM1st=olc-leaguert=olcc=C0sc=sp=2013 On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Neville Sutton nevs...@wideband.net.au wrote: I was contacted around 12 months ago on this forum (I think) but a gent who owns 2 Gliders somewhere near lake glenmaggie or Coongulla Inviting me to come have a look at his Gliders Sorry I have lost his contact details Could he please contact me again ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Slingsby Skylark gliders in Australia
How about: http://victoriancollections.net.au/items/5108825f2162ef0e303871d5 http://www.airport-data.com/manuf/Slingsby:8.html On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Dion Weston dwes...@bigpond.com wrote: Does anyone on this list know whether any of the following gliders were ever operational in Australia and if so who I might contact to obtain specific details about them? T.43 Skylark 3B T.43 Skylark 3F Slingsby T.53B Dion Weston Mb +61 (408) 859-267 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Philipines?
http://www.aviationsocietyphilippines.org/blog/?tag=nampicuan On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Christopher McDonnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com wrote: http://www.interaksyon.com/article/99432/german-national-survives-nueva-ecija-plane-crash ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules - in the shit
Official report from who exactly? On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 12:27 AM, Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Paul, As I somewhat earlier said, we should wait for the official report, and full knowledge of the facts, before trying to draw ANY definitive conclusions. Given this, I therefore was NOT making any judgement *as such*, at all. Other than that, you are in general perfectly correct, and your further comments/conclusions are astute and bear thinking about. From what Jim choose to tell us, there is a difference between his final glide and that of the other two pilots who also outlanded close to home. Jim ended up in a situation where he had nowhere to go. In contrast, the other 2 pilots safely landed, without incident, in a suitable paddock, and I think that is the lesson here. They did indeed show greater wisdom. Hope that helps to clarify things for you. Kindest regards, Gary BTW let me correct one part my earlier email. *The Specialist* is an American – not Australian - work written many years ago by Charles Sale. However the parallels to the Australian experience are unmistakable. *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Paul Mander *Sent:* Thursday, 30 October 2014 1:54 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules - in the shit I think you’ve been a bit quick to judge. You state that whilst “Jim chose to fly on”, two other pilots made quite routine outlandings 7km back on the track, implying a greater wisdom on their part. Those outlandings were not routine, if you study the traces. They were straight in landings just as was Jim’s. One of them makes a desperate last circle close to the ground then straightens up and lands. There is a striking similarity in all three traces, which paint a cautionary picture. All three picked up climbs just before their last turn, and then appear to consider themselves on final glide. Then they turn into a 20kt headwind from the SW, lose their final glide and start to search for lift. All three try to thermal again without success. All three glide on and the ground rises up to smite them; the other two are simply 7km further out when it does. There are undoubtedly lessons to be learnt from their experience, not the least being how quickly thermals die in Queensland and how quickly the trap can snap. But it’s not instructive, or fair, to make out that one was foolish where others were wise. *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Gary Stevenson *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 October 2014 10:45 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules - in the shit Michael Texler in his post of the evening of 28 Oct, finally “Got It”. Tim has now amplified matters, so that to mis-quote one famous author, “even a schoolboy can understand”. Just a preamble: the point I* really* want to make is that on that last day when Jim choose to fly on, 2 pilots in Sports Class elected to make quite routine outlandings (into the same paddock apparently), just 7 km from home. As usual their traces are available on Soaring Spot. Names do not need to be mentioned – just look at Sports Class, and then check the outlandings and distances covered to pinpoint the two relevant traces. Tim , you are being a little bit shy in your use of the Oz vernacular. The “Municipal Dunny Man” filled a very valuable and quite unique place in servicing one the essential needs of communities prior to the development of reticulated sewerage systems. So to get the language straight, let me put “shed loads” back into its true blue and dinky di context: “shit-cart full loads”. Further ; For Australian Musical Researchers try Googling “Municipal Dunny Can”. . And of course do not overlook that Australian work of great literary worth titled “The Specialist”. For visual art buffs this work was no doubt part inspiration for the 2006 Oz movie “Kenny”. Cheers, Gary *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Tim Shirley *Sent:* Tuesday, 28 October 2014 8:39 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Bizarre Comp Rules... Hi all, Once again a disclaimer: I hold no relevant official position with the GFA. I do have considerable experience as a rulemaker, as a Contest Director, as a Scorer, and as a competition pilot. I speak only for myself. What follows is general clarification about competitions and rules, and is not intended as a comment on any specific incident. Back when I was involved in competition rulemaking, I
Re: [Aus-soaring] Would you fly on a pilotless plane?
That's self defeating, what about all the times the pilot has done something wrong a computer would have handled fine? It's just a matter of time... Self flying planes should be a much simpler problem than self driving cars/buses/trucks. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Change of topic
Great turnout to the AIS masterclass with Ingo and Brad today. A bit lonely as only junior though... On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 6:37 pm James Dutschke james.m.dutsc...@gmail.com wrote: Today was Saturday. Any no joke, there I was. Type stories anyone would like to share? Sent from my iPhone ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 20M gliders
I see EB has essentially fit two pilots in a single seat EB29 with their EB29D ( http://www.binder-flugmotorenbau.de/eb29d-racing-doppelsitzer.html?L=1), so I expect there is plenty of scope for improvement in fuselage size with ergonomic innovations. On 12 Jul 2014 22:34, Harry hw.medlic...@optusnet.com.au wrote: Mike, It’s all about driving a large fuselage through the air. The quite small size difference between say, a Discus A and B fuselage makes an appreciable difference in performance, particularly at higher speeds. Compare the massive size difference between an ASG 29 and a two seater fuselage. I don’t know what the actual drag figures are but they must be a large difference. Likewise the two seater ASH 25 and Nimbus 3DMs and 4DMs are left far behind the ballasted 18 metre gliders when the speeds get up a bit. The actual Arcus fuselage is very similar to the 20 year old Nimbus 3D fuselages so I guess there was not much scope to improve them much.The Jonkers JS fuselage is reputed to be an exact copy of an earlier German glider. Actually expected the new Schleicher 32 fuselage, being a new design, to have lesser drag but the information from Finland is not indicative of a substantial improvement. Time will tell. Am sure you could give us some useful information on drag calculations, Harry Medlicott *From:* Rob Izatt thebunyipboo...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, July 12, 2014 7:09 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] 20M gliders You can get two people in a two seater and share the fun which is the wholepoint of said two seaters. Without handicaps glider comps would be even less viable. On 12 Jul 2014, at 5:59 pm, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: From what has been written here over the last few days, it is disappointing that a new flapped 20M two seater doesn't have as good performance as a 15M unflapped glider. Mike *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978* www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] World comps in Finland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xrDLQ61474 Standard class definitely seems to be better at high speed. 750kg AUW in 20m class probably doesn't help them either, or at least not with 16sqm of wing. On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Matt Gage m...@knightschallenge.com wrote: Sadly, whilst it was great to see a new glider on the air, nothing can be taken from the comp in terms of potential performance. The 20m class had far more to do with the pilots than the gliders. The Jones brothers would still have won flying a DG505! I got to see it close up for a short period on the last day. Initial impressions were not what I had expected (but neither was the Arcus). In the only thermal we had together, the LS8 at max weight out out climber it and then was gaining in the cruise at 90 knots. I had expected better from both, but again, this was 1 climb and a short period gliding together Matt On 10 Jul 2014, at 9:48, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: unlike the grotesque Arcus Well it's difficult to see in the pic, but I guess that the ASG-32 is entirely devoid of those terrible speed robbing bumps. Still, they don't seem to rob that much speed. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] World comps in Finland
Is the wing area wrong in that document or the polar? Because 800kg/15.38sqm (52kg/sqm) does not match the 800kg @ 46kg/sqm on the polar. On 11 Jul 2014 08:42, Robert Izatt thebunyipboo...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps you should all wait for the new HpH TwinShark from HpH. First flight in the next 12 months. Available as pure glider/ Jet Sustainer and BinderSolo powered self launcher. http://hphuk.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/TwinShark_20m_p4.pdf A new self-launching Shark 304MS will be delivered to Australia in October Serial #40. The Shark is a boutique glider but it has a strong following in the US and particularly the UK. I'm the HpH Agent in Australia. Rob Izatt On 10/07/2014, at 10:29 PM, Matthew Scutter wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xrDLQ61474 Standard class definitely seems to be better at high speed. 750kg AUW in 20m class probably doesn't help them either, or at least not with 16sqm of wing. On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:12 PM, Matt Gage m...@knightschallenge.com wrote: Sadly, whilst it was great to see a new glider on the air, nothing can be taken from the comp in terms of potential performance. The 20m class had far more to do with the pilots than the gliders. The Jones brothers would still have won flying a DG505! I got to see it close up for a short period on the last day. Initial impressions were not what I had expected (but neither was the Arcus). In the only thermal we had together, the LS8 at max weight out out climber it and then was gaining in the cruise at 90 knots. I had expected better from both, but again, this was 1 climb and a short period gliding together Matt On 10 Jul 2014, at 9:48, DMcD slutsw...@gmail.com wrote: unlike the grotesque Arcus Well it's difficult to see in the pic, but I guess that the ASG-32 is entirely devoid of those terrible speed robbing bumps. Still, they don't seem to rob that much speed. D ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Cloud proof fence
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/14/science/earth/14fenc.html The article is ancient but I thought it was fascinating nonetheless. Often I've seen cumulus form over the sunset country but not elsewhere when flying out of Waikerie or Horsham. Apparently it's not a coincidence. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public.
Turnpoints are usually over populated areas such as towns. Turnpoints are naturally an area of higher collision risk because of converging headings. Pilots tend to outland/get low near turnpoints because of tunnel vision or trying round the turnpoints efficiently in high wind. Perhaps turnpoints shouldn't be over populated areas/landmarks in competitions in this age of GPS navigation? On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: Lookout, lookout, lookout… *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher McDonnell *Sent:* Monday, 2 June 2014 6:52 PM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/172564,Pilot-killed-in-glider-tournament ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public.
You mean we should ban low level finishes and require FLARM's in competitions because someone 'beaned' someone else overseas? We have a relatively small gliding community in Australia - not large enough to notice trends in long tail / black swan events. So, yes, I think we should take heed of happenings in the wider gliding world. Would it be safer to move turnpoints away from towns? Probably Is it worth it given the frequency of events like this? I don't know. Competition organizers might feel so, given they selflessly volunteer and are potentially held liable as thanks - ... the event organisers will be investigated, as the accident demonstrated that town residents' lives had been endangered by the tournament. On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Mike Timbrell mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au wrote: You mean we should make changes because someone in Poland gets beaned by a piece of wreckage? *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Scutter *Sent:* Wednesday, 4 June 2014 8:15 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. Turnpoints are usually over populated areas such as towns. Turnpoints are naturally an area of higher collision risk because of converging headings. Pilots tend to outland/get low near turnpoints because of tunnel vision or trying round the turnpoints efficiently in high wind. Perhaps turnpoints shouldn't be over populated areas/landmarks in competitions in this age of GPS navigation? On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 4:56 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: Lookout, lookout, lookout… *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher McDonnell *Sent:* Monday, 2 June 2014 6:52 PM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Liability to public. http://www.thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/172564,Pilot-killed-in-glider-tournament ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Varios and a new thread
The algorithms we use are based on years (literally) of research and part of a doctor thesis. Was this published somewhere? It'd be interesting to read. On 26 May 2014 10:12, Mark Fisher m...@spe.com.au wrote: A response from Butterfly's Marc Forderer via Swift Avionics. Dear Mike and Bernard Both of you wrote us the same forum post. We would prefer not getting involved into forums discussions. Her’s the (short-ish) answer. We are using AHRS computed data to determine airflow around the aircraft in realtime. We do this using our inertial platform inside our sensor unit. The algorithms we use are based on years (literally) of research and part of a doctor thesis. The horizontal component is wind, the vertical is what we call vertical air mass“ (VAM). The advantage of this new computation method is that horizontal energy addition (in gusts) does not have influence on VAM readings. We have a mixing method that allows the user to blend in normal pressure sensor (TEK) based „Netto Vario“ signals into the VAM readings. If your installation is not perfect (= AHRS won’t work very accurately) or if you prefer not to use the new data but like your old fashioned netto better (with gust induced energy changes), then you can set it to 50% to mix it or even 0%. The standard setup is 100%, that means 0 conventional and 100% AHRS based data. We are very confident in this new technology and its fun to use. We don’t use just some Accel/Gyro data and mix them in some way to tell people its cool. Actually most users fly with 100%. Instantaneous wind makes a huge difference to your flying, even if not flying in mountainous regions where the advantages are obvious. The new wind indication helps you to locate thermals or convergences in flatland areas as it reacts to smallest local airflow/wind differences. We have come a long way bringing this technology to the market and making it available to many pilots in different aircraft. We have had quite some troubles in the beginning, but this is not unusual. If you want to bring new technologies to the market , you must know about the pain you will go through initially. We are thrilled by the possibilities the system offers and love flying with it, our customers do so, too. *Something you don’t have to write in the forum but its obvious:* Old technology vario manufacturers love to tell people that it does not help you flying or does not work. Now that its proven to work (ask people flying with it) they love to tell people how difficult it is to install it. I must admit that installation requires good care and some hours worth of time. But fly with one, you will see that its worth it. Cheers Marc -- Mark Fisher Managing Director Swift Performance Equipment Unit 2, 1472 Boundary Rd Wacol 4076 Australia Ph: +61 7 3879 3005 Fax: +61 7 36076277 www.spe.com.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Generation Vario
I believe the butterfly vario has an adjustment of how much you want to 'mix in' the accelerator/gyro with the TE. I hear the recommended setting has increased over time so they must be getting more confident. Current the big advantage of these new varios is instantaneous wind information. I can see that being very useful in the mountains. On 23 May 2014 01:29, Scott Penrose sco...@dd.com.au wrote: Yeah I heard rumours about the butterfly not actually using the internals. Thanks Mike Scott On 23 May 2014, at 2:07 pm, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 12:35 PM 23/05/2014, you wrote: The newer generation Varios still use TE but have inertial sensing as an adjunct to TE to assist with gust filtering. Regards, John Orton Mob: 0429357439 The inertial versions do (ie. ones that don’t use a TE tube). One other valuable feature I think is a good Artificial Horizon. I agree though that I would rather use external device (I use XCSoar) for glide computer (final glide, navigation etc). Scott You don't need a TE tube to do a total energy vario based on pressure measurement but there are many problems introduced by this which is why most varios that offer this also can use a TE probe. The main problems are that you are taking the difference between two large signals and if they don't arrive at the vario at the same time you get large transient false indications. The other problem is that a pitot and static source on a glider are far more sensitive to yaw and pitch changes than is a good TE probe. You may as well just use the TE probe. The so called inertial varios no doubt have the 3 axis accelerometer/gyros and magnetometer built in (same kind of thing as in your iPad and maybe even the same device, they are only a few dollars) but whether or not anything useful is done with them is another matter. They may be there for advertising purposes. I was advised to put them in the B600/B800 and advertise that but not do anything with the data. If you buy a vario with inertial sensors ask what exactly is done. It is a good bet that you will get some figurative arm waving and talk of Kalman Filters without an actual good explanation. It is fairly easy to build a variometer (not TE compensated) using the inertial techniques but a total energy variometer is far more difficult. Or at least one that is a *good* vario with low zero point drift, like all modern pressure transducer varios. The MEMS (Micro Electro Mechanical Systems) accelerometers are pretty good but the gyros are fairly horrible. They look good when you sit them on the bench and integrate the output to get attitude (they measure *rate* of roll, pitch and yaw you need to integrate these to get attitude changes from the start attitude) but are terrible when moved around due to something called cross axis coupling and output noise (no, the noise doesn't average out to zero). Been there, done that. Inertial measurement units that will work are still quite expensive, of the order of USD10,000 for the bare sensor and even then by the time you do all the reference frame transforms and put it in a dynamic flight vehicle (read glider) you'll probably find the error budget has got out of hand. A human pilot filters out horizontal gusts by seat of the pants i.e. the vario is now showing lift but did I feel the vertical acceleration? The problem is that sometimes the onset of lift is very gentle and your push or pull on the stick can mask it easily. Sure it is simple to use an accelerometer to detect vertical acceleration but how do you remove the pilot inputs on the stick? Removing them is what total energy varios are about but by measuring the airspeed you make the vario respond very well to small rapid changes in airspeed caused by horizontal gusts as well as small rapid changes in vertical motion of the air. This makes the vario more difficult and tiring to interpret. Anyway, our upcoming* Dynamis *system solves all these problems and can be added to B600 or B800 variometer systems. Mike *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 3.
I doubt die tritus would fly in german. On 13 May 2014 17:25, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 07:32 AM 13/05/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0031_01CF6E7D.7732D0A0 Content-Language: en-au The Bogus? Love it! However there seem to be multiple reports from different sources that the new glider will happen sooner rather than later. I was told that one dealer ordered 8 of them. I wouldn't expect an 18/21/23 though as that might cut into the Quintus and would leave them without a new 15m glider. BTW what exactly is the Ventus 2axS that Tilo is flying in the GP? Anyway my bet on the new name is Tritus. Maybe Tertius is better Latin but doesn't read or sound as well. Maybe an outside chance for Volus? I guess we'll see. Mike *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Ventus 3.
How about Senarus (latin..ish for sixth), which comes after Quintus (latin for fifth). On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 9:28 PM, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: Bolus. - mark On May 13, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Adam I'Anson adam.ian...@gmail.com wrote: The Dingus Regards, Adam I'Anson On 13 May 2014, at 6:59 pm, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: I doubt die tritus would fly in german. On 13 May 2014 17:25, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 07:32 AM 13/05/2014, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_0031_01CF6E7D.7732D0A0 Content-Language: en-au The Bogus? Love it! However there seem to be multiple reports from different sources that the new glider will happen sooner rather than later. I was told that one dealer ordered 8 of them. I wouldn't expect an 18/21/23 though as that might cut into the Quintus and would leave them without a new 15m glider. BTW what exactly is the Ventus 2axS that Tilo is flying in the GP? Anyway my bet on the new name is Tritus. Maybe Tertius is better Latin but doesn't read or sound as well. Maybe an outside chance for Volus? I guess we'll see. Mike *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Wingspans
Some of us got it. I think Easter comps are generally more about fun than rules though. On 24 Apr 2014 16:58, Ron Sanders resand...@gmail.com wrote: nobody got it. On 23 April 2014 20:36, Catherine Conway c...@internode.on.net wrote: ZBY IS 26.5 m Cath Sent from my iPhone On 23 Apr 2014, at 9:44 pm, Rob Wintulich r...@signwizard.com.au wrote: Ron, Schempp Hirth website says 4DM has 26.5m wingspan! -Original Message- From: Ron Sanders Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:55 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Wingspans I was just wondering what is the wingspan of VH GXY, Nimbus 4 DM?? Ron ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Goondiwindi Maps
Generate your own maps at mapgen.xcsoar.org . The mapgen goes offline pretty frequently at the moment so if it's not working, try again tomorrow. On 27 Mar 2014 08:35, Trezise tre...@ozemail.com.au wrote: ... probably a dumb question but ... Loading data into XC Soar for Goondiwindi I note that there are two maps available: Northern NSW, and Queensland. Neither of these seem to cover the complete comp area and XC Soar only enables one map to be loaded at a time (I think). So which map do you load, or does it depend on the tasking for the day ? Thanks, John Trezise ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] The nationals: a proposal
A few points:
Despite popular belief, team flying is disallowed or doesn't happen in most
European national competitions.
I've heard of multiple start points being tried in some places (WGC2010?)
but it hasn't stuck. It seems it only takes one day where pilots on one set
of start points are disadvantaged and everyone is up in arms and wants
start lines back - like after the nationals at Tocumwal with essentially
unsoarable weather covering 2/3rds of the start points.
I'm not convinced that multiple start points are safer than start lines -
with multiple start points I found myself thermalling with vastly different
span/wing loading gliders prestart, whereaa with distinctly separate start
lines such as those set at Kingaroy and Waikerie it'd be with comparable
gliders with similar circling speeds and diameters - if at all, on a 10km
start line there were usually multiple potentially optimal locations. If we
want to reduce gaggling we could even increase the line length - some
european comps fly with 20k.
I agree that gaggles are a high risk sitdayson but I remain unconvinced
that the formation is any less frequent with start points than start lines
- I remember the balls of glass forming on the blue days just as readily at
Benalla (last nationals with multiple points) as Waikerie/Kingaroy. There'd
be an enormous prestart gaggle, everyone would leave on diverging headings
for their start points then reconvene in the first thermal on track. It was
essentially the same as we have now but with a randomly selected group of
pilots being forced to start a bit lower than everyone else each day. I
welcome comments from those who've flown many more competitions than I with
both start systems.
The reality of the situation is that in weak and inconsistent conditions,
it's much slower/riskier to fly alone than with a gaggle and unless you
find a way to change the incentives that drive this, on the low, weak, blue
days there will be gaggling. All of the ways that I can think of (everybody
has a different task, everybody has a different start time) have a
substantial impact on fairness such that the day would better be cancelled.
On 13 Feb 2014 22:11, Gary Stevenson gstev...@bigpond.com wrote:
Hi All,
Harry has given us some good information here, which should be of special
interest to newer competition pilots.
I am somewhat at loss as to why Harry made comment in his last
paragraph on team flying. Team flying is OUT in Australian National
Competitions, and Ross McLean in a very recent post on this site explained
exactly why.
Harry gave a brief comment on Start Line (as currently used), as opposed
to Start Circle, and as I see it, voted for the start circle. Perhaps Harry
might like add some extra comment here?
From my now EXTENSIVE experience of using a start line, I can say that
the reality is that it would *seem* that in *a majority* of circumstances
the actual start method does not really matter that much. However note my
use of the words SEEM MAJORITY. As Harry pointed out, there are
exceptions, and there is not the slightest doubt, that safety is
compromised, in these exceptions.
The Europeans love start lines ( despite all its potential hazards),
because European pilots mostly team fly, and using a start line makes the
start easier for a team.
It is my understanding that Australia pioneered the use of allocated Start
Circles. In Harry's paragraph 6, he talks about Start Point Circle
layout geometry. The competition guide lines unambiguously set all this
out: Very safe, and very fair. {I use fair as some pilots seem to think
(argue), that having a choice of ONLY three start points is very
inhibiting, and very unfair.] My comment - GET REAL!
Basically THERE ARE MINIMAL HAZZARDS associated with start circles. If you
don't quite get it' yet*, I STRONGLY advocate that in Australia we
exclusively use start circles*. They tend to inhibit a team flying
approach, and they tend to inhabit a start gaggle, which is of course why
the Europeans have not adopted the idea.
Gary Stevenson
*From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:
aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Harry
*Sent:* Thursday, 13 February 2014 3:39 PM
*To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
*Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] The nationals: a proposal
Hi All,
These notes may be of interest,
Having a background of flying competitions for over 20years, being
coordinator of the National Pilots Safety Committee and being involved in a
midair in which I was hit from behind by a following glider and only just
opening my parachute in time, maybe these comments may have some value.
Over the period 1988 to 1999, national multiclass competitions mid air
collisions resulted in 2 fatal mid airs, several pilots just opening their
parachutes just in time, 5 gliders destroyed, as well as other mid airs
where the damage did
Re: [Aus-soaring] Horsham Week 2014
Why not score overall placings on % of available points achieved then? On 10 Feb 2014 07:13, Jo Pocklington jopockling...@bigpond.com wrote: Traditionally, Horsham Week has been an entry level comp with pilots required to nominate 3 flying days in advance to allow sharing of a glider for the 8 days. The idea was to attract beginner-pilots to share a club glider and compete against all levels of pilots, up to international standard. For the record, 2014 Horsham Week was scored to new rules. Local Rules (published Dec 13) included the usual: *All* scoring days will attract 1000 points. This was rescinded at briefing on day one resulting in 3 devalued days in 15m (882, 979, 612) and Open (707, 893, 600) and 2 in Club (821, 600) and Std (882, 612). A pilot who pre-nominated the subsequently-devalued days was therefore disadvantaged, contrary to the spirit of Horsham Week. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k
I'm interested to know more about the standard class 1000k out and return record - 1000.86km in an Astir CS by G.J Vakkur on 8/4/77. As if an Astir wasn't impressive enough, in April?? Does anyone know where or how it was done? Perhaps someone has the relevant AG mag. Having done some googling I find an account (Soaring the bald eagle ridge) of a George Vakkur flying 1000k out and return on 7/4/77 in an Astir CS in the wave in Pennsylvania, USA which seems like too much of a coincidence to me. -matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k
So, why is it an Australian record? Or do I have a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes a record? http://www.gfa.org.au/GFA-Sport/records-australia.html On 3 Feb 2014 21:14, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: It was on the ridge, Matthew. Some years earlier Karl Striedieck did a world O/R record on that ridge in a K8. Check time zone for George's flight. Gawler to up north to wherever and back in that moonscape up north should break that record. I know several 1000 km O/R were flown in the late 80's early 90's in I think mini Nimbus and Ventus A so a D2 or LS8 shouldn't be a problem on the right day. At least one 1000km O/ and almost return wasn't bothered to be claimed. The pilot did it for his own satisfaction. It was 1003 km and I know because Carol and I did the retrieve. He didn't quite get home. I even took my trailer as mine had better fittings and worked better than his. Mike At 08:18 PM 3/02/2014, you wrote: I'm interested to know more about the standard class 1000k out and return record - 1000.86km in an Astir CS by G.J Vakkur on 8/4/77. As if an Astir wasn't impressive enough, in April?? Does anyone know where or how it was done? Perhaps someone has the relevant AG mag. Having done some googling I find an account (Soaring the bald eagle ridge) of a George Vakkur flying 1000k out and return on 7/4/77 in an Astir CS in the wave in Pennsylvania, USA which seems like too much of a coincidence to me. -matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Records flown Overseas
Thanks Casey, I suspect the heading on the page at http://www.gfa.org.au/GFA-Sport/records-australia.html is incorrect then - Records flown in Australia. I remember at one stage both Australian and Australian overseas records were published. -matthew On 3 Feb 2014 21:59, Casey Jay Lewis cj...@me.com wrote: From the GFA website: Flights by Australian Pilots in foreign countries will be recognised as AUSTRALIAN RECORDS. Flights in Australia will stand as NATIONAL RECORDS. Reference: https://docs.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/file/d/0B30o7SKxzo8nYWg3RXFCdFZVcHc/edit?pli=1 I'm hoping to use this myself for flights in PA, USA. Brgds, Casey On 3 Feb 2014, at 19:16 , aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.netwrote: Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net You can reach the person managing the list at aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Astir CS 1000k (Matthew Scutter) 2. Re: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 125, Issue 9 (Casey Jay Lewis) 3. Astir Altitude record 1000K Flight 1964 (John O'Neill) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 21:23:25 +1030 From: Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Astir CS 1000k To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: calubygslb+fvzifl6pomnm8d9mupbrrsotkxf2up1hczqnb...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 So, why is it an Australian record? Or do I have a fundamental misunderstanding of what constitutes a record? http://www.gfa.org.au/GFA-Sport/records-australia.html On 3 Feb 2014 21:14, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: It was on the ridge, Matthew. Some years earlier Karl Striedieck did a world O/R record on that ridge in a K8. Check time zone for George's flight. Gawler to up north to wherever and back in that moonscape up north should break that record. I know several 1000 km O/R were flown in the late 80's early 90's in I think mini Nimbus and Ventus A so a D2 or LS8 shouldn't be a problem on the right day. At least one 1000km O/ and almost return wasn't bothered to be claimed. The pilot did it for his own satisfaction. It was 1003 km and I know because Carol and I did the retrieve. He didn't quite get home. I even took my trailer as mine had better fittings and worked better than his. Mike At 08:18 PM 3/02/2014, you wrote: I'm interested to know more about the standard class 1000k out and return record - 1000.86km in an Astir CS by G.J Vakkur on 8/4/77. As if an Astir wasn't impressive enough, in April?? Does anyone know where or how it was done? Perhaps someone has the relevant AG mag. Having done some googling I find an account (Soaring the bald eagle ridge) of a George Vakkur flying 1000k out and return on 7/4/77 in an Astir CS in the wave in Pennsylvania, USA which seems like too much of a coincidence to me. -matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring *Borgelt Instruments* - *design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 * www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/20140203/18514c9d/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2014 18:55:07 +0800 From: Casey Jay Lewis cj...@me.com Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 125, Issue 9 To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Message-ID: 463bc62a-7541-4e13-b0b6-e461975be...@me.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Matthew, Another confirmation for George's flight being done on the ridges of Pennsylvania. He broke four Australian records with that flight and earned the 9th 1,000km in the USA, 17th in the world. It was flown from Karl Striedcks Eagle Field as Ridge Soaring Gliderport is in a valley, receiving the morning light a little later than Eagle Field
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 302 and 303 service
XCSoar's website has a few IOIO suppliers listed - http://www.xcsoar.org/hardware/ I have a prototype plug-and-play SoarTronic that seems to work reliably (although it is quite 'noisy' - needed to lift the squelch on my radio) -matthew On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Paul Mander p...@mander.net.au wrote: Hi Macca, can you put me in touch with the IOIO supplier you mention, please? All the best, Paul *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Ian Mc Phee *Sent:* Friday, 8 November 2013 7:43 AM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 302 and 303 service I spoke to Gary Kammerer of Clear Nav a few days ago and am pleased to report he will be taking over the service of the 302 varios 303 navigator (he has been doing service on earlier LNav and model 20 loggers). The owners of Cambridge closed the doors for business earlier this year and finally parted with parts etc so service could be continued. The owners of Clear Nav are glider pilots as is the software developers who are based in UK. Most of the issues with 302s is the equipment made at Martinsville which was between Vermont base and then Memphis as quality control was not good enough. There were little issues with equipment which came from Gary and then Jeff Bennett at Memphis. It is now 20 years since Cambridge introduced GPS logging to the gliding world and all that gear can now be serviced. The Clear Nav vario has been extremely slow at coming to the market but think this has proved a good decision. The presentation of climb and cruise I believe is better than the 302 but the same very reliable transition between cruise and climb of 302 has still been retained. Clear Nav have submitted the Vario to the IGC and await their approval as a secure logger which I would like to think may be done by Christmas.. Coming shortly for the CN vario will be an inexpensive navigation display and will look a little like the Cambridge 303 navigator. It is designed for those not coupling their vario to the CN Multi Function Display or Nexus 7 etc. I recently did an install and customer with 2 seater and was using a pair of Nexus 7 using XC soar and are linking it to Clear Nav Vario via an IOIO box from Sweden. This looks interesting and I would expect even better displays just around the corner. That's about all I know for know for now. Ian McPhee 0428847642 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules
Maybe the reference weight is set for only one pilot? Whichever way you set it, it's going to involve a big handicap to the other configuration. -matthew On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 8:21 PM, Terry Home terrycub...@bigpond.com wrote: That reference weight seems quite low. With Brian and I in the DG ( less than 200kg pilot weight), we sit at 690-700kg. This means two pilots of 70kg required to stay within the reference weight. Terry Sent from my iPhone On 15/09/2013, at 12:23 PM, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: Derek, AUW is distinct from reference weight. Club/Sports is flown dry, and as such the reference weight is lower (and not a hard limit, your handicap will change slightly if you are over/underweight.) -matthew On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.auwrote: Hi Mandy The reference weight for the DG1000 is still incorrect: the manual a.u.w. is 750 kg, not 630 Cheers Derek ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Pete and Mandy Temple *Sent:* Saturday, 14 September 2013 4:00 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules ** ** Hi Derek ** ** The document you refer to was a work in progress and was only on the site for a short while, I thought I had set the permissions so only I could see it. I will be more careful in future. It is now deleted. The pdf version is the current version and I believe it is correct. ** ** MT ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Derek Ruddock *Sent:* Saturday, 14 September 2013 2:17 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules ** ** Thanks for that Mandy The list of Handicaps Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps (not the pdf version) has some issues: **- **The first page is illegible **- **There are some formatting issues on the remaining pages*** * **- **The reference weight of the DG1000 is incorrectly shown as 630kg. It is correctly shown in the Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps.pdf as 750kg ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Mandy Temple *Sent:* Friday, 13 September 2013 6:43 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules ** ** They are now available (Sports – Sports Documents – Competitions) https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnMusp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM document Sport 0018 MT ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Derek Ruddock *Sent:* Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:42 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules ** ** Who is responsible for the NSW rules? They need updating to incorporate the 2 seater class ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules
Derek, AUW is distinct from reference weight. Club/Sports is flown dry, and as such the reference weight is lower (and not a hard limit, your handicap will change slightly if you are over/underweight.) -matthew On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.auwrote: Hi Mandy The reference weight for the DG1000 is still incorrect: the manual a.u.w. is 750 kg, not 630 Cheers Derek ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Pete and Mandy Temple *Sent:* Saturday, 14 September 2013 4:00 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules ** ** Hi Derek ** ** The document you refer to was a work in progress and was only on the site for a short while, I thought I had set the permissions so only I could see it. I will be more careful in future. It is now deleted. The pdf version is the current version and I believe it is correct. ** ** MT ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Derek Ruddock *Sent:* Saturday, 14 September 2013 2:17 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules ** ** Thanks for that Mandy The list of Handicaps Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps (not the pdf version) has some issues: **- **The first page is illegible **- **There are some formatting issues on the remaining pages **- **The reference weight of the DG1000 is incorrectly shown as 630kg. It is correctly shown in the Sport0008_Club_Sports_Handicaps.pdf as 750kg ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Mandy Temple *Sent:* Friday, 13 September 2013 6:43 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules ** ** They are now available (Sports – Sports Documents – Competitions) https://drive.google.com/a/glidingaustralia.org/folderview?id=0BzvOakkAvohCbDl4ZTgzQnI5SnMusp=sharingtid=0BzvOakkAvohCZGozSnRsQlNGeHM document Sport 0018 MT ** ** *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Derek Ruddock *Sent:* Thursday, 12 September 2013 2:42 PM *To:* 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] NSW Rules ** ** Who is responsible for the NSW rules? They need updating to incorporate the 2 seater class ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ScratchBuild
Hi Neville, You might find some value on this site http://www.hpaircraft.com/plans/ But as acknowledged on the page, not enough to build from scratch. On the same site you'll find kits for the much more modern hp24. The creator is an active poster on the US equivalent of this list, rec.aviation.soaring and you might find more advice there. As for avionics, swiftavionics and Borgelt instruments come to mind as local suppliers. I've seen complete plans for vintage aircraft show up on wingsandwheels before too, may be worth keeping your eyes out there. -matthew On Aug 24, 2013 1:39 PM, Neville Sutton nevs...@wideband.net.au wrote: Where can one find Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control Is there a list of suppliers somewhere that supplies Glider Avionics etc? __**_ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.**on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/**mailman/listinfo/aus-soaringhttp://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Rules: Start Heights
The JWGC organizers this year had a remarkably elegant solution to start heights that made me feel stupid for not having thought of it myself. If a maximum start height is set, it is simply required that pilots have a single fix BELOW the start height between the time of the start gate opening (usually ~20 minutes after last launch) until the time they actually cross the start line. So you can climb into wave as high as you like and start as high as you like, as long as you do it after the start gate has opened. If you're in the wave before the start gate opens, you have to come down and then climb up again like those who launched later. This means: 1) Everyone has a fair chance of getting into the wave / getting to cloudbase. 2) No VNE dives to get under the start line. -matthew On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.comwrote: Heard on the grape vine again... Max start height no more than 500ft below convection; and less than 150 kph groundspeed.. Thoughts? Discuss? WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Wind Turbines cause turbulence risk?
I found the report (below), it's about the Gunning Wind Farm, built along the Cullerin ranges. Turbulence? 9km directly downwind of a range of hills? Has anyone heard of a phenomenon that might cause such turbulence? Report: Date: 18-03-2013 Local time: 0730 State: NSW Location: 9kms WNW of Gunning Wind Farm, Gunning NSW. Damage to aircraft: nil Most serious injury: nil Summary: Whilst on descent to my operating airstrip near Biala NSW, I suddenly experienced severe turbulence at about 500-600ft AGL. The wind at this time had been approx. 5-8 knots from the SE. After landing I ascertained that there was only a slight breeze at ground level. I suspected that the turbulence was caused by the wind turbines at the Gunning Wind Farm but was amazed that the effect could be felt 9kms away. After the next take-off I confirmed that the turbulence was indeed caused by the turbines. There are many fixed wing helicopter aircraft which operate at or below 500 ft AGL legitimately from hundreds of airfields around Australia. CASA the Dept. of Infrastructure Transport have released a study, the National Airports Safeguarding Framework Guidelines D (Wind Turbines) to protect major airports, but it should be apparent that the greater threat to air safety from wind turbine turbulence lies around country airports, both public private, which threat CASA the Dept of Infrastructure Transport have glossed over or ignored. Could the ATSB please investigate this report the future ramifications of authorities ignoring it. On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:58 AM, Nelson Handcock nelson.handc...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-11/bushfire-pilots-want-investigation-into-wind-turbines/4815302 Would a glider be affected? Could this really be likely? I've never seen a power-generating turbine spinning faster than 15 - 20 RPM? Thanks Regards, Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ASG32 - Schleicher's 20m glider
http://soaringcafe.com/2013/04/schleicher-announces-the-asg-32-a-new-20m-two-seater/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Low cost avionics
Top competition pilots tell me you should always navigate by an instrument connected to your primary logger to make sure you actually round the turn, which would rule out the big colour moving map outside. On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 3:49 PM, JR jma99...@bigpond.net.au wrote: there is a big colour moving map just outside the cockpit.. JR ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
Ron, Because the handicaps have practical limitations as gliders have different performance characteristics in different weather, which handicaps can't take into account. The handicaps are probably fair for a Cirrus and an ASG29 on a 3kt day, but they certainly aren't on a 12kt day. This seems to be the general consensus - in normal weather, the handicaps are close to the technical optimum, but in strong weather the higher performance gliders have an advantage. Technical ways to 'solve' this have been postulated for years, different handicaps for different weather etc, all of which sounds to me like too much work. How we solve it now is grouping the gliders in relatively similar performance classes. If higher performance gliders have an advantage in stronger weather, it makes sense they should not be able to come 'down' a class and fly with lower performance gliders. Whether it should work the other way depends on whether you believe that lower performance gliders have an edge in weaker weather. Personally I think the lower performance gliders do have an edge in survival weather, but that is almost entirely negated because we get less weak weather than strong, and we don't set tasks in survival weather (how often is a day cancelled for being too strong? ;) ) I think the cause of this discussion is that while STD class is mostly populated with top-of-the-line STD class ships, 15M class is largely previous generation gliders - so many STD class pilots (particularly those in previous generation STD class gliders, myself included), feel we're flying closer to our 'effective' performance class in 15M. tldr; The system is a 'good enough' compromise. -matthew On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Ron resand...@gmail.com wrote: I think you missed the point . If the handicaps are so good what does it matter whether the span in 100 metres or if it has flaps? Ron On 07/03/2013, at 6:48, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Ron, It is because they have flaps, of course! However if you invert the question, Standard Class gliders may fly in 15 m (Racing) Class. Gary - Original Message - From: Ron Sanders To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 1:23 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring Dear Adam, i agree with you!! And i note that there was not one reply to your far more interesting posted questionif the handicaps are so good why aren't fifteen metre flapped gliders allowed in Standard class? The priorities are not in the right order. RS On 5 March 2013 20:16, Adam Woolley go_soar...@hotmail.com wrote: I went soaring today (well a circuit), it was awesome! WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2240 / Virus Database: 2641/5651 - Release Date: 03/05/13 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence
Mick English responded promptly to me about 3 months ago to say it was bundled in a lot of other CASA legislation and likely to go through between October and December. He's probably sick of glider pilots emailing him every few days! -Matthew On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Michael Scutter michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Yes, I understand that web page!!! Eight months ago I contact mick English, the project person to ask about time lines. He responded watch this space! That page has not been updated since April 2012. Twice I have emailed him asking about timelines and progress without reply. I thought some one know what is happening as a date of implementation of December was mentioned. I'd like to know if the December date is correct? Who is going to issue the licence? I.e where is an update beyond watch this space Michael On 02/03/2013, at 2:29 PM, John Hudson hud...@senet.com.au wrote: CASA document below ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AIRBUS has abandoned its plans to use lithium-ion batteries for its new A350 airplanes
What's (hopefully) getting popular in gliders now is lithium *iron* (LiFePO4) rather than lithium-ion. That one little r is the difference between a fireball and a sizzle [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery#Safety] On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: On 25/02/2013, at 8:33 PM, Craig Vinall craig.vin...@bigpond.com wrote: Thought this may be of interest. I know that these batteries are becoming popular in gliders; what do others think? Is there a potential fire risk? Probably the wrong question to ask, given that you could just as easily inquire into whether there's a potential fire risk inherent in carrying around tanks of volatile hydrocarbons. More useful questions would be, Under what conditions can a fire start, and, Once it has started, what can you do about it? By my money, the worst parts about the event in NY weren't associated with the fact that the batteries caught fire; the worst bits were the fact that Boeing had assured the FAA that thermal runaway was impossible (it clearly wasn't) and the fact that it took fire crews, with all their training and specialized equipment, more than 40 minutes to extinguish it. Could have been worse -- could have been over the Pacific somewhere at the limits of ETOPS. ANA has grounded their 787s until at least May, so there'll be a lot of time to ponder those issues before they start flying again. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Helicopter tow plane
Probably not very cost effective, but I guess it could descend quicker than the pawnee's. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTloaMaoXKI -Matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] SAGA State Comps
Hi Grant, I need to take a couple of laydays, who should I organize those with? -Matthew On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Grant Hudson granthuds...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, a little late but here is the link http://sagastatechampionships.blogspot.com.au/ to the 2012/13 SAGA State Comps being hosted by the Waikerie Gliding Club. See you there, Grant. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New ABC series starting this weekend looks interesting
That's Omarama gliding club's Janus C. -Matthew On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Nelson Handcock nelson.handc...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/series/3586896 Wonder where that still frame is from - is that VH-GWV(Y?) I wonder if they will include the Morning Glory... -- Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New ABC series starting this weekend looks interesting
Or it was until recently - now it's EVV at Ararat? http://casa-query.funnelback.com/search/search.cgi?collection=casa_aircraft_registermeta_v_sand=evv On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Matthew Scutter yellowplant...@gmail.com wrote: That's Omarama gliding club's Janus C. -Matthew On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Nelson Handcock nelson.handc...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.abc.net.au/iview/#/series/3586896 Wonder where that still frame is from - is that VH-GWV(Y?) I wonder if they will include the Morning Glory... -- Nelson Handcock 0409 149919 http://www.linkedin.com/in/nelsonhandcockaustralia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Pulse Jet Glider
http://www.lange-aviation.com/htm/english/products/antares_18p/propulsion.html April Fools joke? Visonary? The real deal? You decide. The last paragraph gave it away for me. -Matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Awards and Trophies
Hi Tim, I'm not sure how many legs are allowed so I'd like to submit two flights for Bob Irvine / Wally Woods: http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2195600 1016km in the LS4 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2205849 891km 'OR' in the LS4 Kind Regards, -Matthew On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi all, Just a reminder that the expiry date for applications for this year's trophies is 31st July. These are for: Wally Woods Trophy - Longest Flight off the stick Bob Irvine Trophy - Longest flight on handicap distance Martin Warner Trophy - Greatest Gain of height The eligible period is 1st May 2011 to 30th April 2012. Basic rules are that the flight must be flown in Australia by and Australian, and that the claim must be supported by a valid IGC file. For the Woods and Irvine trophies, the same flight can't win both - but the same pilot can. Please note that the trophies are awarded on application. I don't trawl the OLC (or anything else) for the winners :) I already have a couple of claims, for the Woods and the Warner trophies, so there is no need to resend them. -- Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Awards and Trophies
My mistake, I wasn't paying attention. Sorry for the spam all. -Matthew On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Derek Ruddock drudd...@iinet.net.au wrote: The operative word in Tim's post was me :) -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Scutter Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2012 8:47 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Awards and Trophies Attached. Thanks, -matthew On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: CAn you send me the IGC files please? Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare On 24/07/2012 20:37, Matthew Scutter wrote: Hi Tim, I'm not sure how many legs are allowed so I'd like to submit two flights for Bob Irvine / Wally Woods: http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2195 600 1016km in the LS4 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/flightinfo.html?dsId=2205 849 891km 'OR' in the LS4 Kind Regards, -Matthew On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Tim Shirley tshir...@internode.on.net wrote: Hi all, Just a reminder that the expiry date for applications for this year's trophies is 31st July. These are for: Wally Woods Trophy - Longest Flight off the stick Bob Irvine Trophy - Longest flight on handicap distance Martin Warner Trophy - Greatest Gain of height The eligible period is 1st May 2011 to 30th April 2012. Basic rules are that the flight must be flown in Australia by and Australian, and that the claim must be supported by a valid IGC file. For the Woods and Irvine trophies, the same flight can't win both - but the same pilot can. Please note that the trophies are awarded on application. I don't trawl the OLC (or anything else) for the winners :) I already have a couple of claims, for the Woods and the Warner trophies, so there is no need to resend them. -- Cheers Tim tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial
Nice idea Woolley, I look forward to sending a few flights along. A couple of thoughts though: Why not allow water ballast so we can compare against the historical records? The obvious problem is the Aus club class handicaps aren't useful, but other countries (DMSt?) have ballasted 'club class' handicaps. All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official records due to financial reasons (eg, not being able to obtain a Discus 2, to go for a STD class record) or not being their preferred class. 2.5 - After Market Modifications: No penalty will be given for the addition of winglets, wing fillets or extractor vents. Surely no penalty for aftermarket mods compromises the stated goals here. Not everyone is able to obtain Discus 2 winglets for their Cirrus ;) -Matthew On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello Terry, Thanks for your e-mail of kind words, plus encouragement. I'm certainly keen to hear the floors words, after the original thread has been somewhat hijacked! I had thought to go back and pluck out the records of the club class times, but assumed that they all carried water and therefore nullified what I want these records to be. Thanks to all the e-mails off-list, I think we could be onto something here - it'll certainly give myself something to push for. Stay tuned for some small rule changes, hopefully soon I'll find a good spot to place the current copy. Some things to add or to mention/re-enforce again though (will re-write properly, but I'm sure you get the idea). 1/ It's for club class records, so NO water what so ever. The only additional weight that is allowed in the glider is for trimming purposes. 2/ Must be an *.igc approved logger (I hear people cheat their way to obtain Silver C's, crazy I know!) 3/ The flight must be declared before the task is commenced, NOT after the good flight occured. 4/ An instructor or an Official Observer, must observe/sign/put their name to your flight to say - he/she knew the rules, etc Sadly the records have to start at some point/day, why not just start them from now!? Also, open to thoughts and discussions on the gliders that can be allowed into our club class records. ie, a Kestral 17/19 pilot for instance isn't able to be competitive in any class, except sports. So I'm thinking of opening it up from the Zephrys (spelling - 1.60 handicap for memory!) to the Kestral 17/19 Nimbus 2??? Remember, even these gliders must fly dry to claim the record. The floors open! WPP From: terrycub...@bigpond.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 21:19:50 +0930 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial But of course the weather was always better 7 and 10 and 30 years ago - that's my memory anyway! I like your suggestion Adam. Surely we still have records of previous records, and can just look for the best performance from current club class gliders and use those as the benchmark, -multiplied by the handicap of course? Unfortunately, the Boomerang doesn't meet current club class performance range, but we could just agree a handicap and apply this to see how they went? Of course, older flights in a standard cirrus (I can think of one good one) were done with water ballast which makes a bit (?) of a difference. Some of the really 'good' flights were not official records - no declaration, no camera, no ...? so probably don't count - but still excellent flights and something to aspire to. Maybe we should degrade some of those old flights? I mean, the weather was just better so a lot easier??? Worth some more thought and a proposal Terry - Original Message - From: gstev...@bigpond.com To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial WPP, I think the weather cycle goes in 7 yr increments. Now that is a very brave statement indeed! Memory is a fallible thing, but I seem to recall (from many -30/40? -years ago), that the Dutch had to hand at that time, over 400 years worth of continuous weather records. This data (exactly what was available was not stated), was analysed for cyclic pattens. The result - NO PATTEN AT ALL COULD BE DEDUCED. Does anyone know about this or similar work, and can comment further? Gary - Original Message - From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:50 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial G'day All, I've been keen to set up some unofficial club class records since getting my Cirrus. Hope you see the concept/idea as I've seen it. The reason behind it, As per '3.2' - All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official records due to financial
Re: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial
Perhaps Adam is referring to the El Nino / La Nina oscillation, which has a large influence on Queensland's weather patterns. Very roughly 5 year cycles. -Matthew [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Ni%C3%B1o-Southern_Oscillation On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:10 PM, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: WPP, I think the weather cycle goes in 7 yr increments. Now that is a very brave statement indeed! Memory is a fallible thing, but I seem to recall (from many -30/40? -years ago), that the Dutch had to hand at that time, over 400 years worth of continuous weather records. This data (exactly what was available was not stated), was analysed for cyclic pattens. The result - NO PATTEN AT ALL COULD BE DEDUCED. Does anyone know about this or similar work, and can comment further? Gary - Original Message - From: Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 12:50 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Club Class Records: unofficial G'day All, I've been keen to set up some unofficial club class records since getting my Cirrus. Hope you see the concept/idea as I've seen it. The reason behind it, As per '3.2' - All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official records due to financial reasons (eg, not being able to obtain a Discus 2, to go for a STD class record) or not being their preferred class. In 1999, Tom Claffey others experienced some amazing weather conditions in AUS. I think that the weather cycle goes in 7yr increments. Now approaching 14yrs later, I think we could be in for a good season - cross your fingers, I many others would love a regular great season for a change!!! All comments potential additions on the below welcome. SeeYou, WPP www.facebook.com/W3Racing Unofficial Australian Club Club Class Records - Rules V1.0 Concept by Adam Woolley Written by Adam Woolley 1 - Philosophy: To provide a friendly and honest unofficial record list/rules for Australian pilots, whom race/fly in Australian airspace, in the gliders on the Australian Club Class Handicap list provided on the GFA website. 2 - RULES: Use the Australian Junior Record Rules (found on www.joeyglide.com.au www.ajgc.org.au websites) if you want to go 'official official', as kindly put together by Andrew Maddocks. The below are amendments simple reminders, in no particular order are generally based on the KISS principle, with safety in mind! If you don't want to read the rules, if your an honest person - the below will suffice. 2.1 - Entries Open: 18 JUL 2012. 2.2 - Eligable Gliders: Club Class Gliders, as found on the current years GFA Club Class Handicap list. 2.3 - Handicaps: the use of the current GFA Club Class Handicap list will be used for the flight (date) submitted. 2.4 - Reference Weight: the use of the current reference weight as provided by the GFA club class handicap list for the (date) submitted. 2.5 - After Market Modifications: No penalty will be given for the addition of winglets, wing fillets or extractor vents. 2.6 - Handicap Adjustments: 0.005 disadvantage per part there of 12kg over REFERENCE WEIGHT. No performance advantage given for gliders that fly below REFERENCE WEIGHT. 2.7 - Start Rule: 1km radius over pre-declared waypoint. 2.8 - Turnpoint(s): 500m radius. 2.9 - Finish: 3km radius from the pre-declared waypoint. 2.10 - Record submission: E-Mail your details appropriate for the flight (Start Finish Point, Turnpoints (if not a free distance or height gain) inc waypoint details, glider type, approximate weight (or accurate if known)), *.igc file to, agwool...@hotmail.com within 48hrs of 'end of roll'. 2.11 - Start/Finish Heights: You must finish at the predetermined finish point, within a 1000m of your start height predetermined start point. For 'free distance' one way flights, you must start (predetermined point) below 1000m AGL land safely at any point. 2.12 - Records: Each record will stay firm until beaten by the current years GFA handicap for the club class glider used. ie, won't be changed each season if the glider handicap or reference weights change. 2.13 - Declarations: A flight must be declared before going through the start circle, unless it's a Free Distance flight. 3 - GENERAL 3.1 - Remember, unofficial. If you cheat intentially or not being honest, you're only ripping your fellow mates off. 3.2 - All in good fun, to give those who can't go for official records due to financial reasons (eg, not being able to obtain a Discus 2, to go for a STD class record) or not being their preferred class. 3.3 - If the GFA thinks its a good idea, more than happy for the rules to be re-written officially. Though I would like to think that they'll accept the unofficial records, even of they have an unofficial column until the record is beaten officially - to reward the efforts that we've previously gone too! 3.4 - I know
Re: [Aus-soaring] Alternative to the OLC
The OLC is a great project and has done great things for gliding, but it costs us all money (paid for you by the GFA), and in return not a lot of flexibility nor new features have been developed. Skylines is an open source, community project, it costs no money to use, and anyone interested can join the project. Some innovative features this environment has produced already are: Compare multiple flights together: http://skylines.xcsoar.org/flights/4786,3399,4790,4789,4788,4787/ Live tracking - have your flight uploaded, scored and visible to your friends and family *as you fly it* Some potential features we've been talking about: Social networking (leave comments and ask questions about flights) Automatically generated thermal maps from flights throughout the world More advanced flight analysis, (like seeyou) Setup your own contests and have them scored automatically as pilots upload their flights. and much, much more. What you see at the moment is a very early beta, a result of just a couple of months of active development. It has many gaps at the moment, but you can help out for now by uploading your old and new flights to Skylines and by submitting feature ideas and bug reports. -Matthew On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Pam Kurstjens p...@kurstjens.com wrote: Why would we need an alternative? I think there is great strength and interest having worldwide flights in one place. If you would like to see an alternative system, check out the BGA Ladder in the UK: http://www.bgaladder.co.uk and click on 'daily scores' for example. Yesterday, 39 flights in the UK were posted to this site, and only 5 of those were posted to OLC. People are regularly doing 750's and the rare 1000, which are incredible flights given the size of the island, the airspace, and the weather, yet we see few flights on the OLC so gliding in the UK goes largely unnoticed by the worldwide gliding community. Pam -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter F Bradshaw Sent: Monday, 2 July 2012 9:51 PM To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Alternative to the OLC Hi; There is an alternative to the OLC at: http://skylines.xcsoar.org/ IGC files may be uploaded and scored here. In addition it is planned to implement a realtime tracking feature in conjunction with XCSoar (v6.4). Cheers -- Peter F Bradshaw: http://www.exadios.com (public keys avaliable there). Personal site: http://personal.exadios.com I love truth, and the way the government still uses it occasionally to keep us guessing. - Sam Kekovich. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Hypoxia / chamber run video
Here's a fascinating video demonstrating the effects of oxygen deprivation: http://www.wimp.com/hypoxiabrain/ Towards the end, the 'pilot' is unable to put his mask back on, not from lack of motor control or lack of conciousness, but just from not caring. Food for thought for those engaging in high altitude soaring. I understand you used to be able to arrange chamber runs with the RAAF, does anyone know if this is still possible? -Matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Mandl extractor - Is it snake oil or is there something to it?
Not sure about independent, but Jonker does the same thing for their JS1's, and I've heard of experimental ASW20 mods to add one. http://www.jonkersailplanes.co.za/index.php?pageid=36 -Matthew On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: It's referring to this: http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/mandl-absaugung-e.html Any comment from aeronautical engineering types? Have DG's results been independently verified? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] LS8-18 for sale
On behalf of Mak Ichikawa: LS8-18, 2003, 587 hours and 227 Landings. one of the best in the country, (5th in Worlds 2003, Winner NSW state comp 2011, 3rd in Sports Class Standard Class Nats this past season), It is PU refinished 2011, Standard Factory 15m-18m tip. 12 Litres Large tail tank, DG extractor installed for optimized performance. Winter basic instruments (ASI, Vario, ALT all 57mm), compass, Dittel radio, tinted canopy, oxygen bottle bracket (no bottle) , 3 batteries (2 new batteries in baggage compartment), battery charger, Cobra trailer, hydraulic ramp, third rail in the center, wingwalker/taildolly, tow bar, wing stand. All in very good condition. Form 2 valid till Nov 2013. Price 103,000AUD as above, or best offer 302/303, Colibri Flarm are optionally available at additional low cost. I normally fly with 302/303 and ipaqs but I have a brand new panel if prefered in stead. (I am aware Australians like Altair.) Please contact him at ls8182...@gmail.com I have personally seen his glider while it stayed in our hangar and can attest to it's excellent condition. -Matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] LS8-18 for sale
It's referring to this: http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/mandl-absaugung-e.html If you can pull DG1000's out of it, you'll be a wealthy man! -Matthew On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Mark Newton new...@atdot.dotat.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2012 at 08:57:35AM +0930, Matthew Scutter wrote: DG extractor installed for optimized performance. From where does it extract the DG's? Sounds like something every gliding club should have. Short of 2-seaters? Just extract another DG1000 :) Form 2 valid till Nov 2013. Guessing that's a tyop. - mark ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence
I'm not sure how you drew that conclusion Dave, I don't see any requirement there for a GA licence. Most other countries won't give you a foreign cert without a class 2 medical so if we are to be recognized by their authority (the problem at the moment) that requirement seems reasonable. -Matthew On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Dave Long Cath Lincoln cathd...@internode.on.net wrote: Interesting. http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935 Seems it won’t be much use to anyone unless you also have a CASA pilot licence. Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding licence. There will also be a number of people flying currently who would not pass a Class 2 medical. Dave Long ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident
Most GPS loggers begin the trace only after a certain duration of movement above a certain speed. It's also possible it bunches a number of points to write out together every x minutes - common behaviour in embedded devices to extend their working life. If the power was cut before it was written out, you'd have nothing. Have someone unplug it on climb out and see what happens? -Matthew On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 1:04 PM, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Matt, Some good stuff there. Another thing that can work against a pilot is getting QNE and QNH confused - ie the pilot thinks he is higher than he actually is. I suspect that this has been a contributing factor in at least a couple of fatalities over the years. In the Ararat case the glider had a working flarm. My understanding is that the previous flights (on the day and earlier), were available, from the flarm after the crash, but for some reason a trace could not be recovered for the fatal flight. There is some conjecture that this may have been something inherent in flarm. There is no reason to suspect that the electrics in the glider had not been switched on for the last flight. For the sake of argument, let us assume that the flarm was powered up about 2 minutes before the all-out call, and the flight lasted 2 minutes, my maths says that there should have been about 60 recorded points (@ 4 sec intervals) available prior to impact, and maybe the flarm should have kept logging after the impact?? It was noted that the glider batteries were still in position and intact. Anyone got any thoughts as to why nothing was recorded? Gary - Original Message - From: Matt Gage To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:34 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Site/accident Gary, I totally agree with you sentiments and from what you posted earlier, I suspect that there would be no way of establishing the true cause of this accident, so any report would be unlikely to go beyond what you already posted - unless a mechanical failure was detected ! I've always thought that the reports I've seen on spinning accidents are pretty useless to learn from. They pretty much always start with being too slow and turning, and never focus on what led up to this - poor judgement of circuit, workload, fatigue, dehydration, other medical issue, instrument failure (I know of one such case where the pilot recovered at less than 100', hence able to determine this !), distraction (other aircraft, radio calls, etc) or a host of other possible out of ordinary events. It is impossible to determine which of these was a factor, making anything except a brief report useless, sadly making repeats inevitable as we can't train out the causes if we don't know what they are. I don't see what the ATSB would be able to add here. Having said all that, I have seen logger/flarm traces used on 3 occasions to help investigate totally different types of non-fatal accidents. The traces made it very clear what had happened and why in 2 of the cases, the 3rd was clearly poor judgement and showed actions completely different to what the pilot reported, but there was no obvious sign as to what the cause of the poor judgement was (although the pilot had spent considerable time above 10,000' with no oxygen, so hypoxia or dehydration may have been a factor). Matt On 25/04/2012, at 23:22 , gstev...@bigpond.com gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Hi Mike, Mike Borgelt in particular, and All, Very nicely put. I note in particular your comment ...and the amount of knowledge gained from NZ investigations is not significantly higher than here. I suspect that you could widen NZ to Worldwide. At the risk of seeming outrageous, let me say that to the ATSB and its previous incarnations, investigating glider accidents is, within the bigger picture of accident investigation, just plain boring. How so? Let me explain. Unless I am missing something, there are basically only two factors to any gliding accident - mechanical failure, or pilot error( or incapacity). In an ultimate analysis, everything can be reduced to these two fundamentals. [There is no doubt that these fundamentals also apply to any accident scenario where human beings are involved.] Some pundit will no doubt be able to quote the exact figures for gliding, but in gliding accidents MUCH less than 10% of accidents can be attributed to mechanical failure. I will leave it to you to work out what the remainder is allotted to! ... However, do not jump to conclusions. In (unfortunately far too many cases), WHAT happened is quite easy to determine. WHY it happened cannot be determined at all! Nevertheless the fundamental premise that I have posited above must apply. Gliders, in comparison to say modern airliners are relatively simple machines - just ask the boys in South Africa who developed the JS1.They are reputed to have put in
Re: [Aus-soaring] This looks interesting- a new product called Soaring Eye
Certainly an april fools, given all the pictures are stolen from existing products http://www.simplesite.com/SoaringEye/87195539 / http://www.core77.com/blog/events/and_the_winner_iszon_hearing_aid_11531.asp -Matthew On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 07:40 AM 18/04/2012, you wrote: I suspected the same. But I saw a thermal sensing system at Oshkosh in 1996 where the inventor claimed that he had to detune the setup as it could sense thermals (using thermocouples on the wing tips and tail) beyond glide range of a glider. This could be this invention. PeterS There's no problem detecting infrared radiation. The problem is filtering what you see. I've got a little contactless IR thermometer I bought for about $45 some years ago. It detects the sky and clouds quite nicely and if you point it at a wall it tells you the temperature of the wall's surface. Good for checking for heat leakage in insulation. I use it to check the temperature of the teflon frying pan surface we use to set the epoxy that holds down the components on our circuit boards before soldering. I really should fly it and point it at the ground to see which bits are warmer than others. At low altitude a system like that could scan the ground ahead and steer you towards the warmer areas. Satellites can and do use sensing of microwaves from an oxygen isotope to get atmospheric temperature information. This isn't infra red though and I don't know how large/heavy and power intensive the sensors are. Yeah, there's the link to Climate science. Mike Borgelt Instruments - design manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] 9-way aerotow
Stumbled across this a long time ago and recently found it again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAdIkB5rbgo Given our long runways (relative to most of Europe), I wonder why dual aerotow isn't more prevalent? -Matthew ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Decisions decisions
In addition to Hazelgrove, two passengers were aboard the craft. Must have been a DG-3000. http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/dg-3000.html -Matthew On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Christopher Mc Donnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com wrote: Golf Course or Ski Slope? http://www.tahoedailytribune.com/article/20120206/NEWS/120209902/1056parentprofile=1056 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Youngest 1000km pilot in AUS?
Age 20, last I checked :) Some photos from the flight can be found here: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150500687357549.371205.596112548type=3l=ee9d829b1d -Matthew On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello All, Just wondering what is the youngest age of an AUS pilot to complete a 1000km in AUS? Whether that be a FAI or OLC 1000km? Keen to know, Matthew Scutter managed the feat out of Gawler very recently, at age 19 (I think)! Well done Matthew, looks like I've got some catching up to do over the coming 25yrs... WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders banned in Saudi Arabia
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regconcontentID=20110929109653 Judging by the picture in that article, this was powered paragliders, not sailplanes. -Matthew On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Simon Marko simon.ma...@gmail.com wrote: Well that sure bent the needle on my bulldust-meter... Drugs in sport is not a dead issue in that part of the world SM On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Christopher McDonnell wommamuku...@bigpond.com wrote: http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article508560.ece ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Atmospheric Soundings
I may be mistaken, but I thought the 2300hr trace was UTC time, which fits with it being published at about 9.30 here in SA. -Matthew On Sep 17, 2011 8:10 AM, Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au wrote: On 16/09/11 21:13, gstev...@bigpond.com wrote: Thanks Mark, Like Peter T, I am using IE as my browser, Yeah, the error message mentioned Apache. Now working just fine. You must have re-tickled the program in just in the right spot: Thank goodness! I was not looking forward to brushing up on using Skew-T data off the University of Wyoming site. Gary The SkewT/LogP is a bit complicated until you get used to it. I have attempted to explain how to use it in the following article. http://the-white-knight-speaks.blogspot.com/2009/10/understanding-and-using-atmospheric.html If you have a read of that and still are having difficulty, I'd be happy to talk you through using it. The really big advantage of using the SkewT/LogP diagram is that this is what NOAA puts out - which forecasts what the atmosphere will be doing during the day. One of the inputs into its forecasting model NOAA use is the data from Australian temp traces. Whilst looking at the actual temp traces is certainly useful, looking in the morning here in Aus means that you are looking at the 2300hrs trace from yesterday - and furthermore there are large areas of Australia that are nowhere near a site that does temp traces with balloons. We've been using the NOAA forecasting tools now for quite a few years at DDSC and, whilst there are limitations (principally close to trough lines here in Qld), once you get used to these NOAA's SkewT/LogP is an exceptionally useful tool. -- Robert Hart ha...@interweft.com.au +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] iGlide Application
Hi Mike, I have a HTC Desire HD which I use as a backup logger (running XCSoar) in the cockpit, and find to be superior in brightness and contrast to my old pda (hx4700). Many of the XCSoar developers have 5 Android Dell Streaks (http://www.dell.com/au/p/mobile-streak/pd), which have a transflective display (uses the sun as the backlight), and they seem to have superb sun-readability, far better than AMOLED, LCD or any other screens I'm aware of. I'm not aware of anyone mass producing com-port cables for Android hardware yet, but it is possible to make your own. The popular method at the moment is to use a K6-bt (http://www.cumulus-soaring.com/k6.htm), a small device you can plug any gps source (cambridge/flarm etc) and then use bluetooth to connect to it. This will also allow you to control the cambridge/flarm from XCSoar, no hacking required! Having had bad experiences with Windows CE/Mobile and bluetooth in the past I was somewhat skeptical of bluetooth for navigation, but I hear that Android's bluetooth stack is as reliable as using a cable. ~Matthew~ On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 06:08 PM 29/05/2011, you wrote: Hi Stuart I have asked the same question, but I don't think anybody has tried it yet. I decided to bite the bullet and just buy a copy, but since it is not available on the Australian Apple store, I could not. I think that to purchase this you will need an account on the German or English iTunes. Since my phone is nearing its contract end I'll probably just get the new Galaxy S2 and run XCsoar on android instead. Tom I had a look at an HTC phone running Android when in Perth recently. I wasn't able to look at it in bright sunlight but the active matrix organic light emitting diode screen (AMOLED) seems a giant leap over the LCD screens. It seems that running these is somewhat complex so simply buying the phone and using it complete with screen is going to be by far the cheapest way to go. Does anyone know if the PC connection can be hacked to feed external data into say XCSoar running on the phone? Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] WinPilot for Apple products
I think that message has been on their site since last year... I would expect you'd be able to pair your GPS device with the iPad with something like a K6-bt (http://www.k6-team.de/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=104Itemid=10) Alternatively, XCSoar 6 (free!) already runs on any Android phone or tablet, using internal GPS, cabling or bluetooth. I use my HTC Desire HD as a completely redundant backup navigation device when I fly, although if you're in the market for a new device to run XCSoar, the gold standard seems to be the Dell Streak with it's transflective (sun-readable) display. ~Matthew~ On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.com wrote: This sounds good! http://www.winpilot.com/ “We are developing version of WinPilot for the Apple iPhone, and Apple iPad. These should be available later this year.” Does the iPad have a port where it can get data from an external GPS, or do you expect the above will be done from it’s own source? WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik fix (EASA)
The important bit: There is the price for the kit of ADC (€ 6500.- excl. taxes) plus the costs of its installation at your maintenance organization. On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Bernie Baer bb...@internode.on.net wrote: http://www.aircraftdc.de/ENG/visionen_blanik.htm ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 1000km this season?
If they did, they did not submit it to the OLC http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/bestflight.html?st=olcrt=olcc=AUsc=sp=2011 http://www.onlinecontest.org/olc-2.0/gliding/bestflight.html?st=olcrt=olcc=AUsc=sp=2011Longest distance was Hans-Juergen Lange doing 915km in a V2cM Fastest speed was Graham Parker doing 130kph over 766km. I think that could well have been a 1000km day, as I was still at 11,000ft half an hour after he landed that day... ~Matthew~ On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.comwrote: G’day all, Just wondering, was there even one 1000km flight flown (in a glider!) out of Australia in the Summer just been? I haven’t seen or heard of one, surely that’s been a first for a long time :( Regards, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Stonefield, SA Operation
http://fly-down-under.com/ On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:49 AM, Adam Woolley aussiejuniort...@hotmail.comwrote: G’day all, On the way home from JG this year, I stopped into Stonefield to have a look around. I saw the beginnings of the new German operation starting up out there. Does anyone have any more information on this? Looks like Tiger wont be opening a base in BNE for a while, and keen to check out more soaring options around the ADL area that’ll be able to cater for a launch any day of the week! Regards, WPP ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Grand Prix - Lake Keepit
In JoeyGlide 2009 we were all asked to gather and turn our SPOT's on at the same time prior to launch. I don't know whether they stay synchronized if a message doesn't get through but it might be worth a try. ~Matthew~ On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 3:20 AM, Robinson, Peter B (Information Systems) robins...@onesteel.com wrote: It would be even better if the update frequency from spot tracking on each glider was consistent, seems to vary from 10mins to 20mins, which causes a leap frogging effect on the race tracking. Is it possible to have all gliders updates synchronised together with a 5 minute or less update? Interested to understand whether this is a limitation of SPOT or just a configuration decision. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Anne Elliott Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 1:37 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Grand Prix - Lake Keepit Thanks Ross .. it's fun to follow the race on SPOT.. AE -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Wednesday, 23 March 2011 2:01 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Grand Prix - Lake Keepit The race is on. Half way down the first leg Hank Kauffman is in the lead, with Bruce Taylor, Tom Claffey Graham Parker in hot pursuit. See the Spot tracking at http://track.soaringstuff.net/spot.html Cheers, ROSS _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring The material contained in this email may be confidential, privileged or copyrighted. If you are not the intended recipient, use, disclosure or copying of this information is prohibited. If you have received this document in error, please advise the sender and delete the document. Neither OneSteel nor the sender accept responsibility for any viruses contained in this email or any attachments. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] New Website - Can't Find anything !!!
I tried to find the minutes of the meeting where they decided to switch to this iMIS system, but couldn't find them on the new site either! I notice the old website was using Joomla!, a fairly popular open source content management system, does anyone know what the GFA's issues were with that? On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au wrote: The gfa pages fail validation via wC3. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Dad and kid sends iPhone and HD camera into space under a weather balloon.
We have a project in South Australia called Project Horus which does this on a regular basis, with budgets less than the cost of an iPhone! http://projecthorus.org/ They use a system based off the same software as RASP to accurately predict when and where their balloons will land (and it's usually not far off), and what days are best to fly on. You can watch their launches in realtime at http://spacenear.us/ http://projecthorus.org/I am working on a project with a friend to send an autonomous 2M glider up on one of their balloons, still in the planning stage though! ~Matthew~ On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Catherine Conway con...@agile.com.auwrote: There is a link to the FAA rules on his website so he was aware of them. http://www.brooklynspaceprogram.org/BSP/Space_Balloon.html. No comment on compliance or not. What an incredibly cool thing to do! -Cath On 21/10/2010, at 5:59 PM, Texler, Michael wrote: This story is cool if it is real. Film footage is cool. Apparently a Dad made a camera pod attached to a weather balloon for his 7 year old son in Brooklyn NY. An iPhone was used as a GPS tracker so they could find it after the capsule descended. A HD camera was also present. Apparently reached 100,000' before the balloon burst. Whole flight lasted 90 minutes. Only drifted 30 miles to touch down. http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2010/10/brooklyn_dad_and_kid_send_ipho.html I wonder if this had the blessing of the relevant authorities or a NOTAM? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] FinalGlide 1.0.0.2 for iPhone - New Glider Pilot App
XCSoar is being ported to Android, I don't think there's a timeframe yet. There appears to have been significant progress made so far. On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Brian Smith briansm...@optusnet.com.auwrote: Any similar apps available for Android users? -Original Message- *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Christopher Mc Donnell *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 October 2010 8:47 AM *To:* aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Subject:* [Aus-soaring] FinalGlide 1.0.0.2 for iPhone - New Glider Pilot App http://appmodo.com/28489/finalglide-1-0-0-2-for-iphone-new-glider-pilot-app/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Fwd: [Ascmembers] Exciting new developements in Gliding Simulator
I've seen a few gliding simulators come and go, and this is without a doubt the most promising with regards to meaningful training of new pilots. Hope to see you all there! -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrew Wright andrew.wri...@adelaide.edu.au Date: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:28 AM Subject: [Ascmembers] Exciting new developements in Gliding Simulator Hi Everyone. This is one not to be missed!. *A new motion interactive gliding simulator will be demonstrated at the next SAGA Winter lecture.* The simulator, based on Condor and developed by Ian Linke from The University of Adelaide, School of Electrical and Electronic Engineering is so real your won’t believe your not actually flying. The demonstration and for the lucky few, a test flight, will be available from 5:00pm and run till 7:30pm. The demonstration will be followed by the last SAGA Winter lecture of the year given by Graham Parker and Bernard Eckey. Details for attendance: *Flight simulator demonstration and flying* Thursday 21st October, 5:00 Start Come to: The University of Adelaide Room N123b Engineering North Building Meet at Gate 5 Frome road ---Ring Andrew on 0427 976779 when at gate 5. *Last winter Lecture*, 7:30 Start following flight simulator demonstration Can someone who has access to SAGA Coaching lists and AUS Soaring please post this on these lists. -- Andrew Wright Laboratory Manager /Safety Officer School of Chemical Engineering The University of Adelaide, AUSTRALIA 5005 Ph: +61 8 8303 4648 Fax : +61 8 8303 4373 e-mail: andrew.wri...@adelaide.edu.au CRICOS Provider Number 00123M --- This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please do not read, save, forward, disclose, or copy the contents of this email. If this email has been sent to you in error, please notify the sender by reply email and delete this email and any copies or links to this email completely and immediately from your system. No representation is made that this email is free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. ___ Ascmembers mailing list ascmemb...@lists.internode.on.net http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/ascmembers ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: [Ascmembers] Exciting new developements in Gliding Simulator
The software is Condor as far as I know, which is certainly capable of spinning, but I doubt the simulator will accurately represent the 'feel' of it. I have demonstrated spins in condor to people before and it's great for demonstrating rate of height loss as well as airspeed in a fully developed spin. Conventional recovery procedure works the same as usual. I do not think anyone is (yet?) advocating for simulators to replace conventional two-seat training, but rather to supplement it. One could do several hundred circuits in a simulator over the course of a day, whereas the best I've managed at my club is probably six. ~Matthew~ On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: At 11:02 AM 30/09/2010, you wrote: I've seen a few gliding simulators come and go, and this is without a doubt the most promising with regards to meaningful training of new pilots. Hope to see you all there! -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrew Wright mailto:andrew.wri...@adelaide.edu.au andrew.wri...@adelaide.edu.au Date: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:28 AM Subject: [Ascmembers] Exciting new developements in Gliding Simulator Hi Everyone. This is one not to be missed!. A new motion interactive gliding simulator will be demonstrated at the next SAGA Winter lecture. Does it spin? Must ask because that seems to be the first question asked by Australians when a new two seat basic training glider is mentioned. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Services
To be able to access your membership record, make online purchases or pay your annual membership, a Logon and Password has been created for you. *Username: iMISID* * Password: First character of last name “_GFA2010* * (eg: A_GFA2010)* * * There are only 26 combinations for the default password of an account!?! Surely the GFA has some more unique information about it's members than their last name... I really hope these iMISID's are not sequential! How long is an iMISID anyway? On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: That's our GFA. Servicing gliding for over 60 years. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Tip camera
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44188 --- I have one of these for my model glider The video quality isn't great, but for the price and size it's quite good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pE_nqx05wQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pE_nqx05wQ Here's a sample from a few weeks ago, quality is degraded a bit from usual because it was encoded quickly. Could probably be mounted on top of your instrument panel, which I suspect is somewhat more legal than taping it to your wing. On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 11:05 AM, Al Borowski al.borow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm not commenting on the legalities, but I'm told GoPro camera work a treat. You can set them up to either take photos or video, and they attach via a very strong suction cup. Please don't put one near a control surface. I'm told wingtips are fine, but attaching near the tail may cause instability in pitch and yaw. Best regards, Al On 27 August 2010 09:48, Peter Brookman brook...@activ8.net.au wrote: Hi Carl, The attached a photo is one of my many designs, I have made some to fit on the tailplane and fin. A good contact for information would be John Parncutt who is a prolific producer of high quality gliding U-Tube videos. I have upgraded my camera from a compact digital to a Contour HD (Helmet cam) with a 135o angle and have made the wing mounts with a pole lifting the camera position above and just in front of the wing leading edge. Regards Peter PS some of my earlier videos can be seen on YouTube (BrookyGXC), http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66GiSRDJ9vw taken with an older helmet cam.with only normal width vision. One of Johns recent videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGgccm_dcIY Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:16:55 -0300 From: carlric...@gmail.com To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tip camera Does anyone know of/or how to install a tip camera or anytype of camera on a Puchacz so we can make those cool videos you see on youtube? The sugestions i heard so far involve a lot of duct tape. I certainly dont want to drill a wingtip but theres a tie down hole close to the rollerwheel on the wingtips. Maybe that could be used for something. Does anyone have any building plans of a camerahosding device or something? Thanks guys, Carl ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Training Glider Types
AD616 allowed loops and wingovers again and restored the VNE. Whiskers are not necessary for spinning either. I think you should re-think looping a twin astir, way back there was an AD revoking its aerobatic capabilities.I dont think it was ever reinstated. cheers JR - Original Message - From: Texler, Michael michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 2:11 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Training Glider Types My 2.2c I spend a lot of my current flying time instructing from the back seat of: ASK-21, Puchacz, Twin Astir I and II, DG-1000s. Have spent many hours in the back seats of: Bocian 1E, Bergfalke IV, KRO-3 Puchatek, Janus, and some time in IS-28 and L-13 Blaniks ! ...;-) Agreed, the higher performance types are nice to fly (dare I say, look nice) when you know what you are doing and have had some experience under you belt. But they are much less forgiving of bad handling, it is very easy to get into high energy situations that would overload most low hour/early solo pilots. Then there are more controls such as flaps and undercarriage to worry about. The lower performance trainers tend to be much more forgiving of mishandling. I don't think putting ab-initio into a high performance a/c is the best idea. You want to send them solo in a type that is easy to handle. It makes sense to send a pilot solo in a glider type that they have trained in. Then you graduate the pilot up through higher performance types. I certainly agree with low hour pilots going along on cross country flights as P2 with an experienced pilot in higher performance a/c. This seems to be a way to get people interested (most low hour pilots who have done this have enjoyed the experience). As Catherine said, GA is still using Cessna 152, 172 for basic training, although Diamond air is muscling in on the market. You don't see ab initio GA pilots training in high performance a/c. P.S. My very brief summary of trainers (from handling point of view)... ASK21: Good trainer, docile handling, can be aerobatted (can do rolls too), spinning needs spin kit. Good visibility. Puchacz: Good trainer, not as docile in handling, spins like a top! can be aerobatted for inverted flight Twin Astir: Good trainer, docile, can loop, spinning requires nose whiskers. Visibility from back seat not so good. DG-1000s: Requires more skill to fly (can build up speed easily), more involved weight and balance system required for safe flight, can spin and loop in 20m mode, more advanced aeros in 18m mode. Good visibility. Bocian 1E: Docile Handling, Loops, Spins like a top. Good visibility. Bergfalke: Requires more precise flying technique, likes good landings, doesn't spin that well. Good visibility. Puchatek: Docile, Spins well, Loops, Great visibility. Janus: Requires more skill (slippery, has flaps, U/C, all flying tail), good visibility. IS-28: Handles well. Needs to be provoked to spin. Good visibility. L-13 Blanik: Requires more skill if you are going to use the flaps. Handles well otherwise. Visibility not so good out of the back seat. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sale of.....
In the past months I have seen a project to build a realistic glider simulator aimed at training takeoffs and landings come to fruition. It is indeed quite realistic (3D motion platform), built out of a glider fuselage with a wheel drum that actually impacts on to simulate landings. Being a solo glider pilot I could climb in and do a decent landing first try, so it is certainly quite similar to the real thing. I believe this kind of technology could reliably and safely reduce the time and cost requirements to go solo in the near future. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Incident in the UK
No, but there is this: After several accidents attributed to structural failure, all Foka aircraft extant have now been limited to a maximum speed of 165 km/h in clear air and 140 km/h IFR/rough air. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 11:55 PM, Peter Stephenson p...@internode.on.netwrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foka_%28glider%29 No mention on how the wings are connected. PeterS On 13/08/2010 12:00 AM, gavin wrigley wrote: Not too much known at the moment, but I believe that the glider was a Foka. Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:34:24 +1000 From: p...@internode.on.net To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Incident in the UK I do not like the Twin Astir wing connection system because it is hard to check that the connectors are in the correct position. Just checking them can inadvertently disconnect them! PeterS On 12/08/2010 10:07 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: It is possible to fly and not have the wings come off even without the main pin on a Slingsby Kestrel. Happened to a pilot I knew in the UK. Fortunately the wings didn't part company until the end of the landing roll after an auto tow when he noticed that BOTH wingtips were resting on the ground. Sounds like this may have been a K13. Anybody know for sure? The Brits had a wing come off a K7 a few years ago under similar circumstances IIRC. Mike At 09:15 AM 12/08/2010, you wrote: From several reports you can perhaps read between the lines that the wings both fell off at the top of a winch launch. Aircraft was rigged and flown once previously in the day. - Original Message - From: Dave Donald icans...@y7mail.com icans...@y7mail.com To: aus-soaring aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.netaus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:20 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Incident in the UK Does anyone know anything about this? http://www.news.com.au/world/woman-killed-when-wings-fall-off-glider/story-e6frfkyi-1225904193456 Dave ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing listaus-soar...@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit:http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] iStuff
There are plans for XCSoar to run on Android phones in the future. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 7:52 AM, Dave Donald icans...@y7mail.com wrote: Is there anything else around like it, for a non-iphone i.e. for anything google android like HTC Desire phone? Dave -- *From:* Derek Ruddock derek.rudd...@optus.com.au *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net *Sent:* Wed, 4 August, 2010 8:08:29 AM *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] iStuff as Glidepath is not on the Apple app store, does it require a hacked phone? There is a NAIPS app available from Apple *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] *On Behalf Of *Ben Loxton *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 August 2010 8:27 PM *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] iStuff lol speaking of iStuff - anyone seen the GlidePath app - http://www.downloadcheapapp.com/glidepath-iphone-app-12114.html looks like it turns our iPhone into a OLC flight logger - valid for OLC claims and a backup for comps according to the maker - any word on weather this would be accepted for australian comps? Also, anyone else know any cool aviation and gliding related iPhone apps :-) Ben Sent on my MacBook :-P On 03/08/2010, at 8:16 PM, Christopher Mc Donnell wrote: Got my son an iPhone for his birthday the other week, and recently got my daughter an iPod for hers, and was dead chuffed when the family clubbed together and bought me an iPad for father’s day. I got my wife an iRon for her birthday. It was around then that the fight started.. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Australian Accident at WGC2010
Apparently the pilot was our very own Lars Zehnder, who escaped without injury. Google's translation of the hungarian isn't great, but I believe the truck driver is in hospital with life-threatening injuries... http://picasaweb.google.com/itb.panorama/WGC2010GliderCrashSzegedHungary# http://szegedma.hu/hir/szeged/2010/07/kamion-es-vitorlazo-repulogep-utkozott-a-bajai-uton.html http://szegedma.hu/hir/szeged/2010/07/kamion-es-vitorlazo-repulogep-utkozott-a-bajai-uton.html http://www.delmagyar.hu/kepek/vitorlazogep_kamionnal_utkozott_szegeden/2014631/2425818/ Best wishes to all involved... ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] electric glider
Front mounting electric motors seem to be increasingly feasible, some companies are already selling them. http://www.front-electric-sustainer.com/ Their motor goes up to 25kW for use only as a sustainer (1.6m/s), so perhaps a more powerful motor is needed for self launching... ~Matthew Scutter~ On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 8:27 AM, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com wrote: Anybody want to do an electric self launcher? http://yuneeccouk.site.securepod.com/PowerMotor_Tech_spec.html Off the shelf motor, controller and battery tech. A 20 Kw motor with controller and 4Kw-hour battery pack along with suitable prop should be around 37 Kg mass. Say under 40Kg installed. I'm enquiring about price. Will report. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 79, Issue 45
Robert's weather reports are certainly interesting and informative, but... devil's advocate What will happen in the event others take up the initiative and announce their weather reports on the list? Is there room for every club's weather report? /devil's advocate I suspect we will cross that bridge when we come to it though... ~Matthew~ On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:55 PM, John Orton johno...@gmail.com wrote: Wow this brings them out of the woodwork. Keep it up Robert. good work. It is good usage of this list email list. I don't use where I fly but it is no trouble to ignore, delete or filter out. Better this than ETS debate or Zeppelins. Not often that Mike Borgelt stirs me to laugh. Thanks for the good laugh Mike. Regards, John Orton On 29 April 2010 18:40, Mike Borgelt mborg...@borgeltinstruments.comwrote: WTF?? Robert's message appears with a clear header describing it. If you aren't interested don't read it. Dave's just miffed that the ETS (Extra Tax Scam) has been canned. Ignore the noise. Mike At 07:41 PM 29/04/2010, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_000_004C_01CAE7D3.F8C00550 Content-Language: en-au I am going to go against the flow and agree with David L. What Robert is doing is great but it does not interest me where I am flying, just as our weather will only interest our members and guests. An idea that may satisfy everyone is a place on the GFA web site all clubs could post their news and weekly weather forecasts etc. This would allow clubs to post news about weekend activities and weather forecasts etc; this in turn would also allow GFA members who are travelling In an area away from home quickly find out what the local club is up to and visit (if your travelling companion allows them to) Our club uses an on line forum to achieve these outcomes but the problem is you have to know where to find it. SDF From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Lorraine Kauffmann Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2010 6:53 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 79, Issue 45 Keep the reports coming Robert - a lot more relevant than the horsedrawn zeppelin drivel that we get. Hank - Original Message - From: mailto:resand...@gmail.comRon Sanders To: mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 79, Issue 45 Yeah, I live in bloody Germany and still have quick look at the report just for fun ! And I find it a lot more interesting than a lot of the other drivel on the forum! Ron S From: mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2010 09:15 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 79, Issue 45 I agree, what's the problem Dave? It's a good report which a lot of us happen to appreciate. Robert please continue if you so desire. Cheers, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of erich wittstock Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2010 4:50 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 79, Issue 45 I quite like that particular weather report - although it is not quite for the area I fly here near the coast. Robert's report is also an educational reference. We need more met literate people. Four list entries per month... keep it up, Robert! Erich On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:51 PM, David Lawley mailto: davidlaw...@hotmail.comdavidlaw...@hotmail.com wrote: Robert, Is it really necesary to tell the whole of the country that a QLD weather report is available? Do you not have a mailing list for your State association? If not it might be an idea to start one. Dave L -- Find it at http://CarPoint.com.auCarPoint.com.au http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/206222968/direct/01/New, Used, Demo, Dealer or Private? ___ Aus-soaring mailing list mailto:Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5070 (20100428) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.comhttp://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5070
