Re: [Aus-soaring] Unsubscribe
More likely Edmund Burke than Jefferson, but I'm a lone voice in the wilderness! Michael > On 17 Sep 2014, at 12:16, Tim Shirley wrote: > > All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to > remain silent > > Thomas Jefferson, I believe. > > Cheers > > Tim Shirley > > tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare > >> On 17/09/2014 12:30 PM, Jim Staniforth wrote: >> But using Catherine Conway's "selective deafness" technique is an option too. >> Jim >> >> >>> On 9/16/2014 7:05 PM, Simon Hackett wrote: >>> Hello Jim (and anyone else with the same request) - please read the bottom >>> four lines of this message. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Simon >>> On 13 Sep 2014, at 9:31 am, jim crowhurst wrote: Unsubscribe me please Jim Crowhurst ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Change of topic
It's just a matter of time that there will be more J's. I heard earlier today you were there and also Peter Temple. It is good that there was a large turn up. If I can get back on the horse one day, will you take me on a coaching flight? No joke, I asked if I could get a job at google, but there was no reply. I just can't see why? Michael > On 13 Sep 2014, at 19:26, Matthew Scutter wrote: > > Great turnout to the AIS masterclass with Ingo and Brad today. A bit lonely > as only junior though... > >> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 6:37 pm James Dutschke >> wrote: >> Today was Saturday. Any "no joke, there I was." Type stories anyone >> would like to share? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Cost, hail damage
I raised the question about possible repair cost and I also thought there might be damage to the leading edges and elsewhere. I whole heatedly agree with Mark, Tim and Scott and no doubt others that were troubled by the replies but silent. I was and am interested to hear from a knowledgeable person about what this sort of damage costs to repair and would it be covered by insurance? I had heard of one airline paying to repair an aircraft, even though the insurer had written it off. The airline decided it was better for their reputation to not have an aircraft destroyed. Perhaps they could then say they had not had a major crash. It might be urban myth? Respectfully Michael > On 12 Sep 2014, at 9:51, Scott Penrose wrote: > > THANK YOU TIM I have been trying to work out what to say. Very VERY > disappointed, but appreciate that there are people out there willing to stand > up. Thanks > > Scott > >> On 12 Sep 2014, at 10:18 am, Tim Shirley wrote: >> >> There are plenty of examples of stupidity on this list. But this one is >> simply breathtaking. >> >> Sexist, offensive... some might even suggest pornographic. Not something I >> want in my inbox thanks. >> >> And certainly not a positive contribution to inclusive attitudes in our >> sport. >> >> Some subsequent comments are only making it worse. Stop it, please. >> >> Cheers >> >> Tim Shirley >> >> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare >> >>> On 12/09/2014 7:27 AM, Justin Sinclair wrote: >>> Hi Simon, unfortunately that is a Schleicher model, no amount of money >>> short of the GDP of NewZealand will fix it. >> >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Cost,
Any rough guesses as to what the repair bill will be? Michael___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Any one got a copy of rule 1 and rule 17(1) hand so I can light my cigar? Michael > On 3 Sep 2014, at 3:11 pm, "Christopher McDonnell" > wrote: > > Mike, other than your issue with nominations to the GFA Board below, I was > recently informed that the GFA can comply with Rule 17(i) of the Articles by > having an AGM within the numbers of, and only the Board members being > present, on the basis that they are members. Other than the fact that GFA has > never declared the regions as required by Rule 1. > > Chris > > > From: Mike Borgelt > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2014 10:49 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes > > > Ullrich, > > > Rob Izatt is correct. > > "when operating independently" is the catch phrase. > > Don't forget also that an L2 independent operator rating can fail to be > renewed by a club at a whim. If you don't believe that this can't happen due > to personal feuds and vendettas or political differences I think you are > naive. I know of one club where nearly half the membership was grounded and > left the club because they had the temerity to call a special general meeting > to get the club to buy its own tug so that the club would own a launch means > which it owned instead relying on tugs owned by a syndicate of the old guard > which were only intermittently available and were restricting flying. The old > guard called up people they knew whose membership had lapsed years ago, > signed thm up with a current year's subs and won the vote by 3 votes > whereupon the losers were grounded by the club. > > To get any kind of instructor rating in power you need a commercial licence > (at least 150 maybe 200 hours or so depending how and where you do it) and a > proper instructor course which involves something like 30 to 40 hours of > flying and a similar amount of ground instruction. Don't hold me to that as > it was a while ago at the aero club where a couple of blokes were going > through that. I'm sure the requirements haven't decreased. Seems a reasonable > thing to me. > > When you talk of discouraging people by raising the instructor hours required > the question arises - what problem are we trying to solve with the gliding > instruction system? Are we trying to provide free flying for instructors at > the students' expense? If so, the system is successful albeit at a fairly > horrendous cost in dead and injured students and large numbers of discouraged > would glider pilots. If we are trying to turn out competent glider pilots I'd > say the system is very inefficient. > > The pity is that just about everyone (including I'm sure the people who own > the private "non profit" organisation known as the GFA)* recognises that > gliding is in a fragile state but nobody with the ability to do anything > about this wants to change anything about the way business is done. > > * Mark is wrong about one thing in his other wise excellent post - the GFA is > not membership based. Take a look at how to get on the Board. You need > nomination by existing Board members. The Board (membership by invitation > only) are the effective owners of the GFA and there is NOTHING you or even > all the rest of the membership can do about it. The GFA can continue to exist > without any members other than those on the board. > > Which, Ron, is why all you are hearing from the direction of Christopher > Thorpe is the sound of crickets. > > Mike > > > > >> Mike, you are probably referring to the L1 IO rating (which in my opinion >> should be abolished – why should anyone be responsible for my flying unless >> I am in training). >> >> The current MOSP says: >> “13.2 LEVEL 2 ‘UNRESTRICTED’ INDEPENDENT OPERATOR >> Unlike the Level 1 Independent Operator authority, where club responsibility >> of independent operations is of primary importance, holders of Level 2 >> Independent Operator authority are solely responsible for all aspects of >> their operations when operating independently. This includes airways >> clearances, tower clearances, SAR notification and accident/incident >> reporting.” >> >> To my knowledge it has been like that for many years. >> >> I agree with you that the minimum hours for instructor ratings seem low but >> in practice it requires a lot more hours to gain the abilities and convince >> the CFIs and L3 instructors to give you an L1 let alone L2 rating. What >> should the minimum be in your opinion? No matter where you set that it will >> not be enough for some and increasingly discouraging for others the higher >> that number is. >> >> On the rest, including independent control checks for IOs, I’m also with you >> although I would choose less GFA-bashing words. >> >> Ulrich >> >> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net >> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mi
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
That may be with good reason, having met you. Interpret it as I in tended it¥• Michael > On 3 Sep 2014, at 2:42 pm, Tim Shirley wrote: > > > > To quote Groucho Marx: "I would not join any club that would be willing to > have me as a member". > > Cheers > > Tim Shirley > > tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare > >> On 3/09/2014 2:48 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: >> So only 23 years after the Gawler Gliding Club was formed the GFA gets >> around to enabling such clubs? >> So why should people who want to do this have any kind of club at all? Why >> not the scenario put forth by Al Borowski? >> >> How about a club of ONE member? >> >> It is hardly a radical concept as it is exactly what is done in the RAAus. >> There are RAAus members and they MAY form clubs. They aren't forced to.There >> are also commercially run flying schools and privately run airfields which >> provide a runway and hangarage. >> I'm not aware that anyone in RAAus finds this a problem at all. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> At 02:22 PM 3/09/2014, you wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I think that the last person to have any interest in naked emperors was >>> named Josephine, before this thread exposed a whole new concept in glider >>> pilot fetishes. >>> >>> But I digress. >>> >>> At its recent meeting in Adelaide, I understand that the GFA Board approved >>> a change that will allow non-training clubs to form under the GFA system. >>> >>> This will mean (as I understand it) that a group of suitably qualified >>> members can form a club that has no CFI, no 2 seater and no training >>> operation. >>> >>> The qualification requirement would be a GPC for each member. >>> >>> Pilots would still be responsible individually for getting their annual >>> check (somewhere else, obviously) and maintaining their medical status. >>> >>> I don't know any other details, so no point in asking. But I do know it >>> happened. I expect the official announcement won't be far away. >>> >>> Go for it, guys. And girls. >>> >>> Disclaimer 1: I hold no official position in the GFA apart from looking >>> after some IT systems. This is, therefore, not an official statement of >>> any kind and may be complete bollocks. >>> >>> Disclaimer 2: No crickets were harmed in the writing or sending of this >>> email. A large number of electrons, however, were seriously >>> inconvenienced. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Tim Shirley >>> >>> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare On 3/09/2014 1:10 PM, Ron Sanders wrote: If I had a license for gliding just like my PPL I would probably (most likely) still join a club. I still like talking gliding at the end of the day, I still like comparing cross-country flights at the end of the day. At the end of the day, I still don't like being beholden to the duty pilot or the day instructor, when I am fitting in, just going about my business and enjoying the day. Nobody forces instructors to do what they do, so they must get some kind of reward out of it. Ron On 3 September 2014 10:35, Robert Izatt wrote: > > The salient point in Mike's comment is the GA Instructor/commercial > pilot > spends the cash or bums hours to get his rating because there is an > income > stream at the end - he/she hopes. But so does the swim coach at your > local > State School. Long gone are the days when any sort of quality coach or > instructor was a pure volunteer. Join a yacht club (similar > infrastructure > etc) and the sailing instructor and the club will give you a bill for > her > time and you are happy because you got value for your money. > Gliding instructors do spend big dollars getting a ticket and then > volunteer > a full day, drive 250kms at their own expense, on 40 degree days only to > be > told by some snot nose Treasurer, who couldn't find his way 10kms from > home > without a GPS and thinks that's OK, that instructors don't work hard > enough > for the club. > Club's are good things but this whole discussion revolves around an > antiquated volunteer system. Club's need volunteers to function but > gliding > holds up its most valuable resource - knowledge, skill and experience - > and > says or rather boasts that it has no dollar value and we all know the > world > ain't like that Toto. > Rob Izatt > > On 03/09/2014, at 10:49 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > > Ullrich, > > > Rob Izatt is correct. > > "when operating independently" is the catch phrase. > > Don't forget also that an L2 independent operator rating can fail to be > renewed by a club at a whim. If you don't believe that this can't happen > due to personal feuds and vendettas or political differences I think you > are > naive. I know of one club where nearly
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
If you send an air craft in a container, via Papua likely they will want the aircraft rigged to check there is no grass in the ailerons. Don't mention air brakes or undercarriages, they might want to check the control rods. They do check tool boxes, not for tools, but the manuals secreted away in the central cutaway where every one store their supplies. Boogie boards have fallen out of favour. Better still say it is a non function, full scale model for display. When it does takeoff in a Roal Dowl exclamation. "Well I'll never, it's never done that before!" I feel there will be a considerable nearby sniggering (or is that word prohibited nowadays). Michael > On 1 Sep 2014, at 8:49 pm, jim crowhurst wrote: > > They sent me a list of approved DAME and the nearest one was in Auckland. > Bullseye. > > Jim Crowhurst > > > > Ron wrote > > Regards the UK medical for the LAPL, are you sure you can not do it here? I > can do my UK ATPL medical here with a UK approved Australian DAME? > Otherwise the contributor who said it was all a crock of shit scored a > bullseye. > RS > > > > On 1 Sep 2014, at 17:52, Christopher McDonnelll > wrote: > >> Yes, Christopher. >> What is the agenda/reasoning? GFA's or CASA's. >> >> Chris >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 1 Sep 2014, at 7:02 pm, Mike Borgelt >> wrote: >> >>> Very nice, now why don't you answer Simon's question? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> At 06:40 PM 1/09/2014, you wrote: There is no conspiracy here but I admit it is a bit Pythonish! To fly gliders in Australia one only needs to comply with CAO 95.4. For GFA members, there is no requirement to hold a licence in order to fly gliders. You don't even need a GPC to fly gliders unless you want to exercise the privileges allowed to GPC holders. For non GFA-member pilots, all they need to do is apply to CASA as per CAO 95.4, paragraph 5.1(a)(ii). The CASA Glider pilot licence introduced by Part 61 is solely designed to facilitate the recognition of Australian glider pilots wishing to have their GFA GPC qualification recognised overseas. The GFA GPC is the only certificate issued by GFA that is recognised by CASA as compliant with ICAO Annex 1 and is the minimum requirement to get a CASA GPL. Currently most National Aviation Administration Authorities (NAAAs) only recognise licences issued by the NAAA of ICAO member states. The new CASA GPL is expected to make it easier for Australian pilots to obtain overseas qualifications and overcome past difficulties experienced by many of our pilots. Regards Christopher Thorpe Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 264 489) | Level 1, 34 Somerton Road | Somerton | Victoria 3062 M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: e...@glidingaustralia.org | w: www.glidingaustralia.org This email transmission may contain confidential or privileged information that is intended only for the individual or entity named in the email address. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance upon the contents of this email is strictly prohibited. -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon Hackett Sent: Monday, 1 September 2014 3:09 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a Glider in Australia. SRSLY? Its 2014. Why can't we live in a place where the GFA issues (or authorises) Glider Pilot Licenses for Australian glider pilots to fly Australian Gliders with (including ... in Australia)? I'm not bothered about an underlying requirement to be a GFA member in good standing (or to be separately authorised by CASA) if that floats the GFA's boat. Rather, I'm talking about the crazy notion that the outcome of doing everything right in the GFA system isn't an outcome where one can be a pilot licensed to fly a glider with a license to fly a glider called a Glider Pilot License - and where such a thing now exists but it doesn't actually work in the country of issue. I actually *have* a US glider license of precisely that form (a US pilots license with 'Glider' as an endorsement on it). I don't see that cramping the style of glider pilots in the USA. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm not really
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Hnm! Bet that will draw blank looks!! Michael > On 1 Sep 2014, at 3:58 pm, Matthew Scutter wrote: > > I would be interested to learn if I can fly an Australian registered glider > overseas with an Australian Glider Pilot's licence... > >> On 1 Sep 2014 16:17, "Mike Borgelt" wrote: >> Matt, >> >> The USA Private Pilot Certificate(Glider) has a self certification medical >> same as in Australia. Powered aircraft requires a Class 3 medical in the US. >> I've been unable to figure how that differs from the Australian Class 2 >> medical. Most of the US glider pilots I've met have a power licence anyway >> so presumably wouldn't have any trouble getting a licence overseas. >> >> I seem to remember posting here a while ago that, as all the regs were being >> changed, the GFA should get onto the licence issue and back one with the >> same medical requirement as the US before one with a more severe medical was >> imposed. >> >> What a pity that the opportunity was wasted. >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> At 03:57 PM 1/09/2014, you wrote: >>> Simon, >>> >>> just guessing, but I suspect that if this license was to be used in >>> Australia, it would require a class 2 medical. I suspect there is a fear >>> that having such a license valid in Australia would result in it becoming >>> compulsory and instantly grounding up to 1/2 our pilots. If there is any >>> reasonable possibility of that, then the current situation makes a lot of >>> sense. >>> >>> Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1 Sep 2014, at 15:08 , Simon Hackett wrote: Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had confirmed separately. The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a Glider in Australia. SRSLY? Its 2014. Why can't we live in a place where the GFA issues (or authorises) Glider Pilot Licenses for Australian glider pilots to fly Australian Gliders with (including ... in Australia)? I'm not bothered about an underlying requirement to be a GFA member in good standing (or to be separately authorised by CASA) if that floats the GFA's boat. Rather, I'm talking about the crazy notion that the outcome of doing everything right in the GFA system isn't an outcome where one can be a pilot licensed to fly a glider with a license to fly a glider called a Glider Pilot License - and where such a thing now exists but it doesn't actually work in the country of issue. I actually *have* a US glider license of precisely that form (a US pilots license with 'Glider' as an endorsement on it). I don't see that cramping the style of glider pilots in the USA. Quite the opposite, actually. I'm not really interested in how we got precisely here. I'm interested in what possible reason the GFA would have, today, to *not* to support the notion of a Glider Pilot License as something routinely issued to Australians to let them fly gliders in Australia - and for that to be the thing that people get issued with routinely (when, for instance, they achieve Silver C standard). Is there actually a valid reason for this state of affairs (as opposed to 'thats just not how we roll, son...') why this isn't the case - or why it shouldn't become the case? In other words, if I have a CASA issued Glider Pilot License, what, precisely, makes it unable to be sufficient to be permitted to fly a glider here (assuming one has a valid and current flight review)? I apologise for not having (yet) dug up the shiny new 1st September-onward regulations that govern the Glider Pilot License (and as already noted, CASA haven't yet actually published the application form on their web site either). But do those legally engaged regulations actually say that you can't use a Glider Pilot License to... fly a glider with? Coming at this cold, honestly, this reads like a Monty Python script :) Regards, Simon ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >>> >>> ___ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring >> instrumentation since 1978 >> www.borgeltinstruments.com >> tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >> mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 >> P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >> >> >> _
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
If you fly over seas you need a medical. If you have no desire to fly overseas, don't get a medical. I think there may be instances of GA pilots, can't pass their medical but the drivers licence bench mark allows them to fly/instruct. Michael > On 1 Sep 2014, at 3:27 pm, Matt Gage wrote: > > Simon, > > just guessing, but I suspect that if this license was to be used in > Australia, it would require a class 2 medical. I suspect there is a fear > that having such a license valid in Australia would result in it becoming > compulsory and instantly grounding up to 1/2 our pilots. If there is any > reasonable possibility of that, then the current situation makes a lot of > sense. > > Matt > > > > > >> On 1 Sep 2014, at 15:08 , Simon Hackett wrote: >> >> Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had >> confirmed separately. >> >> The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a >> Glider in Australia. >> >> SRSLY? >> >> Its 2014. Why can't we live in a place where the GFA issues (or authorises) >> Glider Pilot Licenses for Australian glider pilots to fly Australian Gliders >> with (including ... in Australia)? >> >> I'm not bothered about an underlying requirement to be a GFA member in good >> standing (or to be separately authorised by CASA) if that floats the GFA's >> boat. >> >> Rather, I'm talking about the crazy notion that the outcome of doing >> everything right in the GFA system isn't an outcome where one can be a pilot >> licensed to fly a glider with a license to fly a glider called a Glider >> Pilot License - and where such a thing now exists but it doesn't actually >> work in the country of issue. >> >> I actually *have* a US glider license of precisely that form (a US pilots >> license with 'Glider' as an endorsement on it). I don't see that cramping >> the style of glider pilots in the USA. Quite the opposite, actually. >> >> I'm not really interested in how we got precisely here. >> >> I'm interested in what possible reason the GFA would have, today, to *not* >> to support the notion of a Glider Pilot License as something routinely >> issued to Australians to let them fly gliders in Australia - and for that to >> be the thing that people get issued with routinely (when, for instance, they >> achieve Silver C standard). >> >> Is there actually a valid reason for this state of affairs (as opposed to >> 'thats just not how we roll, son...') why this isn't the case - or why it >> shouldn't become the case? >> >> In other words, if I have a CASA issued Glider Pilot License, what, >> precisely, makes it unable to be sufficient to be permitted to fly a glider >> here (assuming one has a valid and current flight review)? >> >> I apologise for not having (yet) dug up the shiny new 1st September-onward >> regulations that govern the Glider Pilot License (and as already noted, CASA >> haven't yet actually published the application form on their web site >> either). But do those legally engaged regulations actually say that you >> can't use a Glider Pilot License to... fly a glider with? >> >> Coming at this cold, honestly, this reads like a Monty Python script :) >> >> Regards, >> Simon >> >> >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Yes it is a croc of . I would have thought a GPC could have been sufficient, conditional on you class 2 or higher medical being passed without condition So, just what in the GPC is not covered to require this additional expense, effort and administration? That's what I'd really like to know! Michael > On 1 Sep 2014, at 2:38 pm, Simon Hackett wrote: > > Just want to call out one other thing from the thread that I have just had > confirmed separately. > > The Australian CASA Glider Pilot License doesn't allow a pilot to fly a > Glider in Australia. > > SRSLY? > > Its 2014. Why can't we live in a place where the GFA issues (or authorises) > Glider Pilot Licenses for Australian glider pilots to fly Australian Gliders > with (including ... in Australia)? > > I'm not bothered about an underlying requirement to be a GFA member in good > standing (or to be separately authorised by CASA) if that floats the GFA's > boat. > > Rather, I'm talking about the crazy notion that the outcome of doing > everything right in the GFA system isn't an outcome where one can be a pilot > licensed to fly a glider with a license to fly a glider called a Glider Pilot > License - and where such a thing now exists but it doesn't actually work in > the country of issue. > > I actually *have* a US glider license of precisely that form (a US pilots > license with 'Glider' as an endorsement on it). I don't see that cramping the > style of glider pilots in the USA. Quite the opposite, actually. > > I'm not really interested in how we got precisely here. > > I'm interested in what possible reason the GFA would have, today, to *not* to > support the notion of a Glider Pilot License as something routinely issued to > Australians to let them fly gliders in Australia - and for that to be the > thing that people get issued with routinely (when, for instance, they achieve > Silver C standard). > > Is there actually a valid reason for this state of affairs (as opposed to > 'thats just not how we roll, son...') why this isn't the case - or why it > shouldn't become the case? > > In other words, if I have a CASA issued Glider Pilot License, what, > precisely, makes it unable to be sufficient to be permitted to fly a glider > here (assuming one has a valid and current flight review)? > > I apologise for not having (yet) dug up the shiny new 1st September-onward > regulations that govern the Glider Pilot License (and as already noted, CASA > haven't yet actually published the application form on their web site > either). But do those legally engaged regulations actually say that you can't > use a Glider Pilot License to... fly a glider with? > > Coming at this cold, honestly, this reads like a Monty Python script :) > > Regards, > Simon > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing
It might only be 3mm deep, you are Moses and you can divided water, or Christ you can walk/fly on it. I think you would have to be the holder of multiple personalities. Oh! A glider pilot!!! Michael > On 29 Aug 2014, at 1:58 pm, "Grant Davies" wrote: > > Not quite sure why you would put the gear down when landing on water. Is > there an explanation as to why? > > Wouldn’t this add excess drag that may cause the nose to dig in? > > This example shows a wheel up landing on water doesn’t adversely push the > nose under. > > Kindest Regards > Grant Davies > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mark Newton > Sent: Friday, 29 August 2014 2:21 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing > > > On Aug 29, 2014, at 12:58 PM, dennis hipperson > wrote: > > > Also found this: > > "Landing on water: Over the years, there has been an on-going debate on > whether > it is better to land gear up or gear down on water. Current thought from Tom > Knauff > is to always land gear down. > > I’d have expected that the current thought would be to land in accordance > with the “Ditching” section in the aircraft’s flight manual. > > - mark > > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing
Grant, I really enjoyed your jest. May you have a long and happy life Michael > On 29 Aug 2014, at 8:47 am, "Grant Davies" wrote: > > Trying to lighten a Friday. > > Sorry if it offended anyone. > > Kindest Regards > Grant Davies > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Bart > Sent: Friday, 29 August 2014 9:06 AM > To: gr...@davies.id.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Water Landing > > > On 29 August 2014 08:58, Grant Davies wrote: > > > Oh I see his problem, he forgot to put the wheel down. > > Your point being? > > > > Cheers > > Paul > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
Thank you Konrad. I would like to take the liberty of converting what you just wrote into Australian... It is all a crock of shit! I apologise to all or any I have offended. I'll make sure I give myself ten strokes of the water proof lash I keep in the shower for exactly these sorts of circumstances. Michael > On 25 Aug 2014, at 5:17 pm, "Konrad Maierhofer" > wrote: > > This is my contribution to more confusion about EASA and ICAO licenses (don't > read if you are after information about a competition license): > > I started with aviation with Ultra Lights in Germany, learned soaring in > Australia tried to convert my (at that time) non-existing Australian license > to a German Gliding license. No way! I wound up to get a new license in > Europe. I opted to get my gliding license in Austria as this allowed me to do > my training in my own German registered glider which was by far cheaper than > to do it in Germany. Germany and also Austria requires endorsements for > different launch methods (winch, aerotow, self launch and sustainers - not > including TMGs=touring motor gliders like a Motorfalke or Super Dimona). In > order to fly a tug in Australia I also started to get a PPL(A) (at that time > ICAO PPL(A) JAR-FCL) which I thought would enable me to fly an Australian GA > registered tug - wrong. > > ICAO is not the same as EASA. EASA will replace or supersede the national > European rules. EASA is not completely in place in whole Europe. Like in my > case my German ICAO PPL(A) JAR-FCL license was already converted to an EASA > PPL(A) JAR-FCL. > My Austrian ICAO-license will not be converted to an EASA license in the next > three years as Austria decided to postpone the transition to a later date. > But in the next (I think) three years all European countries will convert all > local licenses into European licenses. Some will be upgraded to something > better some will have less rights. For gliding there will be two licenses > available LAPL and SPL. LAPL and SPL have different requirements for the > aviation medical. LAPL has less equirements but is only valid in Europe. SPL > needs a Class II Medical and is again a proper ICAO license that is valid > world wide in ICAO countries. > > If the option of getting a British license is still available then this might > be the best way to get an ICAO license sooner or later. Why not taking > advantage or the Common Wealth and the courtesy of BGA! Then when time is > ready you will get the license converted to a SPL. Downside is that you will > need a Class II Medical when you get to Europe. If your health is OK then > this shouldn't be a problem but will cost several hundred Euros. Depending on > your age it needs to be renewed every two years. This might make only sense > if you intend to fly in Europe and hire a foreign registered aircraft. > Sometimes with hiring a glider in Europe it is not only a question of getting > permission of the CASA equivalent it is also get a valid insurance for the > pilot. > > To comment on Michael: I think there is no good and better-All is too > confusing and everyone can do better. GFA & CASA for sure is ways easier to > deal with than a LBA and it is not simply only LBA now we will get EASA > (Europe) in the top then comes LBA (Gemany-federal), Luftamt for each state > and Luftsport Verband for competitions and sports aviation. This hierarchy > reflects only Germany and every European country has local rules. Enough for > today - I'm getting confused too. > > Konrad > > Von: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] Im Auftrag von Michael > Scutter > Gesendet: Montag, 25. August 2014 07:20 > An: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Betreff: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes > > Bak in the good days (2011), Matthew got a British licence based on his "c" > certificate and a recent scan of his log book showing he had done more than 5 > hours flying in a year. > > The CEO of the BGA, also sent a copy of a letter from the BAA (British > equivalent of CASA). It said the BGA was higher than required to an ICO > licence. > > I sent the letter to the LBA (the German equivalent of CASA) along with a > copy of his BGA licence. > > LBA responded " you can fly in Germany. The person registering Matt for the > comp, looked at the letter from the LBA and said no problems. If they say you > can, then you can. > > The system we have not, surely could be better, like this example. > > Michael get > >> On 25 Aug 2014, at 1:37 pm, Mike Borgelt >> wr
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
r further guidance, go to: >>> http://www.casa.gov.au/licensingregs >>> >>> CASA has informed me that an applicant for a GPL will need to present their >>> GPC and identification documents, and then meet the following requirements: >>> • CASA Medical >>> • FROL; >>> • Security Check; and >>> • English Language Proficiency Assessment; >>> >>> Glider pilots already holding a CASA Licence will generally only need to >>> evidence holding a GPC and a current CASA medical. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Christopher Thorpe >>> Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 >>> 264 489) >>> M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: e...@glidingaustralia.org | w: www.g >>> lidingaustralia.org >>> >>> au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/ >>> >>> >>> >>> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ >>> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders >>> Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 8:00 PM >>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes >>> >>> Dear Chris, >>> >>> Could you please explain the legislative background which makes the GPC >>> right now as is, ICAO compliant? >>> >>> However, on September 2, I wish to convert my GPC into a CASA Glider Pilot >>> License, can you please tell me how to do this? >>> >>> Ron Sanders >>> >>> On 24 August 2014 17:21, Christopher Thorpe wrote: >>> To dispel some of the misinformation written about the GPC: >>> >>> >>> 1. The GFA GPC is ICAO compliant. >>> >>> 2. The holder of a GPC is automatically granted L1 Independent >>> Operator status (refer MOSP2, paragraph 10.5). >>> >>> 3. Foreign pilots can readily convert an overseas issued ICAO >>> compliant licence to the GPC (refer the GFA web site for details). >>> >>> 4. This year, Mal Read (CASA) and I have assisted several Australian >>> pilots convert their GPC to an overseas ICAO licence. Granted this was not >>> necessarily an easy thing to do given the current EASA regulatory >>> environment. >>> >>> 5. When CASR Part 61 comes into force on 1 September 2014, Australian >>> pilots wishing to fly overseas can use their GPC to obtain a CASA Glider >>> Pilot Licence to overcome past difficulties with overseas recognition. >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Christopher Thorpe >>> Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 >>> 264 489) >>> M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: e...@glidingaustralia.org | w: www.g >>> lidingaustralia.org >>> >>> au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/ >>> >>> >>> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ >>> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ulrich >>> Stauss >>> Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 11:32 AM >>> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' >>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes >>> >>> Picking up from Michael Scutter: >>> >>> Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and >>> an FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian >>> competitions? >>> Perhaps more importantly, do the insurances recognise both the FAI Sporting >>> license and the GPC for their purposes? >>> >>> Or are there provisions in place to recognise the FAI Sporting license as >>> equivalent/superior? >>> If so does this also apply to an Australian pilot holding an FAI Sporting >>> license but not a GPC? (What if this pilot also holds an overseas ICAO >>> compliant (glider) pilots license?) >>> >>> Will the points of a competitor in an Australian National Championship who >>> only holds a GPC but no FAI Sporting license be recognised for the FAI/IGC >>> Pilot Rankings? >>> >>> To my knowledge the GPC is not ICAO compliant nor recognised anywhere >>> overseas. I guess that will have to wait until the CASA GPL finally gets >>> off the ground. The way I read the MOSP, the GPC in practice me
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latory environment. > > 5. When CASR Part 61 comes into force on 1 September 2014, Australian > pilots wishing to fly overseas can use their GPC to obtain a CASA Glider > Pilot Licence to overcome past difficulties with overseas recognition. > > > Regards > > Christopher Thorpe > Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 > 264 489) > M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: e...@glidingaustralia.org | w: > www.glidingaustralia.org > > au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/ > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ulrich Stauss > Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 11:32 AM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes > > Picking up from Michael Scutter: > > Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and an > FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian competitions? > Perhaps more importantly, do the insurances recognise both the FAI Sporting > license and the GPC for their purposes? > > Or are there provisions in place to recognise the FAI Sporting license as > equivalent/superior? > If so does this also apply to an Australian pilot holding an FAI Sporting > license but not a GPC? (What if this pilot also holds an overseas ICAO > compliant (glider) pilots license?) > > Will the points of a competitor in an Australian National Championship who > only holds a GPC but no FAI Sporting license be recognised for the FAI/IGC > Pilot Rankings? > > To my knowledge the GPC is not ICAO compliant nor recognised anywhere > overseas. I guess that will have to wait until the CASA GPL finally gets off > the ground. The way I read the MOSP, the GPC in practice merely means that > the holder has a C certificate and may have been trained according to the > ‘new’ rearranged syllabus and to Level 1 independent operator standard (but > does not necessarily hold the L1 IO rating!). > > In the meantime our pilots who want to compete overseas are still on their > own in the battle with foreign bureaucracies to obtain an ICAO compliant > license from wherever this is easier or quicker in their circumstances (UK, > US, Czech Republic…) on the basis of the C certificate – good luck to anyone > attempting that based on a GPC. > > Wasn’t that the primary issue that the GPC was supposed to fix? > > The emperor has no clothes! > > Ulrich > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of pam > Sent: Friday, 22 August 2014 10:35 > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses > > Records: > You must have an FAI Sporting Licence before you make a record attempt. One > pilot this year had a record claim rejected because he had no Sporting > Licence. You pay $10 and renew every 2 years. > A pilot can only hold one Sporting Licence, so for example if you already > hold one issued by Australia, you fly records and International Competitions > as a representative of Australia. You can’t compete in the French Team, if > you hold an FAI Sporting Licence issued by Australia. In other words, the FAI > Sporting Licence is dependent on your Nationality or Residence. > Competitions: > The use of the word ‘competition licence’ is confusing, when it refers to the > FAI Sporting Licence. It was a requirement of the insurance company providing > liability insurance to competition organisers, as evidence of pilots’ > competence, and perhaps in everyday speech it sounds simpler to say > ‘competition licence’. It appears now that the insurer is happy to accept a > GPC for competitions in Australia. > Pam > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter > Champness > Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 7:33 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses > > I agree with the OPs Panel. The International Competition Licence was never > necessary and should not have been adopted for domestic competition. The > Glider Pilot Certificate has some merit and I personally am very happy to > adopt that for our competitions. It is a lot more comprehensive than the old > Silver badge. > > What happens if you fly a potential record flight and you don't have an > International Competition Licence. Can you apply for it retrospectively? > &g
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes
I just love it when a seemingly simple question produce a range of answers, that don't address the original question, I think? That's gliding for you! Michael > On 24 Aug 2014, at 9:39 pm, "Ulrich Stauss" wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Many thanks for the quick reply. However, I am not sure where in my post I > was spreading misinformation but please correct me where I am wrong. > > With regard to your statement > 1. The GFA GPC is ICAO compliant. > please provide evidence as due diligence in your position would require. The > references given in reply to Ron Sanders’ post do not even mention ICAO > compliance. E.g. the CASA booklet only says ”… This license may be recognised > by foreign aviation authorities for Australian pilots wishing to compete in > gliding competitions overseas.” And let me emphasis the word “MAY”. > > You also state > 2. The holder of a GPC is automatically granted L1 Independent Operator > status (refer MOSP2, paragraph 10.5). > The referenced paragraph says: > “… The GPC recognises that the pilot has been trained and tested to the full > extent of the GPC training syllabus and is therefore entitled to be approved > to operate a glider within the privileges and limitations of the syllabus > items as notified by pilot logbook endorsements.” > So whilst the GPC tells me that the pilot has been trained to L1 IO standard, > the privileges and limitations depend on the log book endorsements (not the > GPC). I could imagine that for some clubs and CFIs the legal liabilities > arising from MOSP 2, paragraph 13.1.2 > (“The Club of a person exercising Level 1 Independent Operator privileges is > responsible for that person’s operations, even when the person is operating > independently”) may be considered too high a risk exposure in this day and > age so that they may wish to restrict the privileges by such logbook > endorsements. So I don’t see how you can (more or less publicly) make the > above assertion. > > 3. does not directly answer my question but I take this to mean that overseas > pilots will need to obtain a GPC to compete in Australia(?). > > 5. is great to know. I hope the GPL really gets off the ground this time and > is not postponed last minute again like last time. > > Regards, > > Ulrich > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher > Thorpe > Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 18:52 > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes > > To dispel some of the misinformation written about the GPC: > > 1. The GFA GPC is ICAO compliant. > 2. The holder of a GPC is automatically granted L1 Independent Operator > status (refer MOSP2, paragraph 10.5). > 3. Foreign pilots can readily convert an overseas issued ICAO compliant > licence to the GPC (refer the GFA web site for details). > 4. This year, Mal Read (CASA) and I have assisted several Australian > pilots convert their GPC to an overseas ICAO licence. Granted this was not > necessarily an easy thing to do given the current EASA regulatory environment. > 5. When CASR Part 61 comes into force on 1 September 2014, Australian > pilots wishing to fly overseas can use their GPC to obtain a CASA Glider > Pilot Licence to overcome past difficulties with overseas recognition. > > Regards > > Christopher Thorpe > Executive Manager, Operations | Gliding Federation of Australia (ABN 82 433 > 264 489) > M: +61 4 1447 6151 | E: e...@glidingaustralia.org | w: > www.glidingaustralia.org > > au.linkedin.com/pub/christopher-thorpe/25/2b8/b4b/ > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ulrich Stauss > Sent: Sunday, 24 August 2014 11:32 AM > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses - the emperor has no clothes > > Picking up from Michael Scutter: > > Will overseas pilots holding an ICAO compliant (glider) pilots license and an > FAI Sporting license still require a GPC to fly in Australian competitions? > Perhaps more importantly, do the insurances recognise both the FAI Sporting > license and the GPC for their purposes? > > Or are there provisions in place to recognise the FAI Sporting license as > equivalent/superior? > If so does this also apply to an Australian pilot holding an FAI Sporting > license but not a GPC? (What if this pilot also holds an overseas ICAO > compliant (glider) pilots lice
Re: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses
I have the British licence, so that will be ok? Michael > On 21 Aug 2014, at 6:25 pm, "Mandy Temple" > wrote: > > Hi Don > > The address is on the licence renewal application form at the bottom! > https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B30o7SKxzo8nZUFZV2FwMDljTnM/edit > it is also on the FAI page of the GFA site, and see attached screen shot. > http://www.glidingaustralia.org/GFA-Sport/FAI-Docs/ > > Peter is correct we are moving to a GPC for Nationals entry starting with > Gundy. > This will be in the new rules to be published soon. > It was flagged in my article in the last mag and we now have the OK from the > insurer. > A competition licence will be needed for a record flight or to fly overseas. > > All the best > > Mandy > > > -Original Message- > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Don > Woodward > Sent: Thursday, 21 August 2014 5:58 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Competition licenses > > > G'day all, Jen and I have just spent the last hour searching the web for the > address to send your competition license to to get it renewed but we've > failed. Can someone please assist and remind me of the postal address? > > Regards > Don Woodward > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 20M gliders
What's erudite? What Reynolds numbers Michael > On 14 Jul 2014, at 4:03 pm, "Harry " wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Thanks for the erudite explanation of drag, Reynolds numbers etc. I can only > write as a pilot fairly ignorant of what factors influence a gliders > performance but the following may be pertinent. > > Glider manufacturers optimise design, particularly wing design, to be at > greatest efficiency over a quite small speed range. Better to be highly > efficient over a small speed range than less efficient over a larger speed > range. Manufacturers used to look at peak efficiency over 50 to 80 knots dry > but I suspect modern aerofoils may compress this range even more and maybe > look at optimisation towards the higher end of the speed range. > > Manufacturers tend to be coy about actual polar curves but the original > Discus published polar curve was more honest than most. It showed a distinct > break and deterioration in performance at about 80 knots dry.. I assumed this > was the point where the reduction in angle of attack reached a point where > the airflow over the nearly flat lower side of the wing resulted in a break > up of the laminar airflow. This reduction in performance was so severe that > it was a waste of time climbing in a strong thermal once you could final > glide at 80 knots dry and proportionally more if ballasted. The gliders > performance degraded so much that it was waste of time climbing higher even > if a very strong thermal once the correct final glide speed could be flown. > > Drag on the fuselage must be related to the angle of the fuselage to the > airflow. It could well be that some fuselages are less affected than others. > Schleicher fuselages tend to be quite slim past the cockpit. Perhaps drag > varies not only with speed but also with fuselage design with some fuselages > less affected by changes of angles of attack to the incoming airflow. > > Easy to see why glider designers have such a hard time designing the optimum > performance glider. Get it wrong and someone designs a slightly better glider > and a couple of millions worth of Euros would be wasted by way of moulds etc. > and maybe the company goes broke. > > Harry Medlicott > > From: Mike Borgelt > Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 12:00 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 20M gliders > > Rob, > I've done enough 2 seat cross country flying to realise the fun involved, I'm > talking aerodynamics. > > Harry, > > There may be more wetted area and cross section on the 2 seat fuselage but > comparing a Discus2 B to an Arcus (this necessarily approximate) I get about > 32% more cross section on the Arcus fuselage and about 49% more wetted area. > Shape is similar so I'd expect similar drag coefficients. The mass is 800 Kg > vs 525 at gross which is 52% greater so at any given sink rate the POWER is > 52% greater. The wing area is 15.6 M^2 vs 10.16 M^2 so a ratio of 1.54 > (rounded up). > No large differences (slightly worse at 750Kg) and as the Arcus has flaps I'd > expect it to perform the same at mid range speeds and better at high speeds > where the Standard Class glider starts to go out of the low drag region of > the airfoil. > Span loading is different though (mass per unit span) for the Arcus 800/20 > =40, for the D2 525/15 35. Induced drag is dependent on the square of the > span loading - derived here > http://aerocrafty.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/span-loading.html (weird website > behaviour on my office PC but works Ok in the iPad in Chrome) so yes, the two > seat Arcus and ASG32Mi likely will climb worse than the 15M standard class > glider even though the Reynolds numbers on the Arcus wing are 15% higher > (lower profile drag coefficient). Why the high speed performance is worse is > a mystery. > > I don't have any numbers on the height and width of the ASG32 fuselage but if > less than that of the Arcus I'd expect an improvement. > > I wouldn't draw any conclusion about the ASG32 performance from Finland > except that it is clearly not a terrible glider in performance compared to > the Arcus and looks nice. > > Mike > > > > > At 10:33 PM 12/07/2014, you wrote: >> Mike, >> >> It’s all about driving a large fuselage through the air. The quite small >> size difference between say, a Discus A and B fuselage makes an appreciable >> difference in performance, particularly at higher speeds. Compare the >> massive size difference between an ASG 29 and a two seater fuselage. I don’t >> know what the actual drag figures are but they must be a large difference. >> Likewise the two seater ASH 25 and Nimbus 3DMs and 4DMs are left far behind >> the ballasted 18 metre gliders when the speeds get up a bit. The actual >> Arcus fuselage is very similar to the 20 year old Nimbus 3D fuselages so I >> guess there was not much scope to improve them much.The Jonkers JS fuselage >> is repute
Re: [Aus-soaring] battery power
A coal fired power station with a power cable to your house? Michael On 26 Jun 2014, at 5:23 pm, "Ross McLean" wrote: "Hopefully, electric will triumph and we won't be burning non-renewables" > > Where exactly do you figure the energy to recharge the batteries will be > coming from?? > > ROSS > > _ > > > -Original Message- > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD > Sent: Wednesday, 25 June 2014 10:57 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] battery power > I love the ability of the virtual world to spread unsubstantiated gossip, usually with a mindset bend behind it. > > Well, it certainly allows you to compare second hand values of cars better > than one might without a virtual world. And the Priapsis does not look that > great. And considering you can get the same or better mileage from a number > of other cars of similar size > > I've got no mindset other than the fact that right now, it's regrettably > difficult to see an electric self launcher (ultralight) or sustainer > competing with a petrol powered engine. > > A 30 year old DG-400 or ASH 26 is still a working proposition because their > motors are still fairly current technology. When they were new, NiCad > batteries were the state of the art and remember how awful they were in most > cases. I can clearly remember the bang as my expensive SAFT batteries > splatted all over the room courtesy of their state of the art charger. > > Hopefully, electric will triumph and we won't be burning non-renewables but I > for one would not want to spend a lot of money on an electric sailplane right > now and the long, long extension cord to recharge it while flying around our > non-electric airfields. > > D > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Altair and Vega
Michael > On 23 Apr 2014, at 12:14 pm, Robert Izatt wrote: > > Hi Cath > I have put it on Facebook for you too. Do you have a couple of photos? > Rob > > >> On 23/04/2014, at 12:39 PM, Cath Conway wrote: >> >> Hi All >> >> Hope I don't offend anyone by posting an ad. >> >> I have an Altair and Vega for sale. >> >> Please email me directly if interested. c...@internode.on.net >> >> -Cath >> >> >> - >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] bohli compass for sale
In Medina? Michael > On 27 Sep 2013, at 7:04 am, Mark Newton wrote: > > >> On 26/09/2013, at 10:23 PM, Michael Scutter >> wrote: >> >> I haven't had it calibrated for a while. Does any one know of an accredited >> service centre in Australia, or must I return it to the manufacturer? > > I'd suggest returning it to the manufacturer. No return address required. > > - mark > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] bohli compass for sale
I also carry an astrolabe (secured by string) in my aircraft. After a very long flight it may be necessary to calculate last light, which may be different from the location I took off from. In a remote place or if power has failed, I can always quickly recalculate based on my location. I haven't had it calibrated for a while. Does any one know of an accredited service centre in Australia, or must I return it to the manufacturer? Michael > On 26 Sep 2013, at 11:11 am, DMcD wrote: > > Compasses are a good piece of equipment in a glider if they are new > and clean. They remind us of our heritage. > > Mine is very accurate and easily passes any form 2 or pre-flight > inspection. The casing has been filled with a water-clear casting > resin so that the card is rigid and clearly visible at all times and > does not suffer the yellowing and drying out of fluid or the problems > associated with hemisphere and magnetic anomaly such as exist across > Storm Bay in Tasmania. And best, it is 100% accurate when you are > flying in the right direction. > > Getting the resin/catalyst mix is tricky because if you over catalyse, > you can overheat the resin and pop the casing or the glass of the > compass. This does not affect the accuracy but might make it difficult > to fit in the cockpit or to pass a form 2. > > D > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] bohli compass for sale
I was once sailing near Dangerous Reef on a moonless night in fog near port Lincoln. The compass kept on turning through 360 degrees and we finally shone a light out from the stern to look at the wake. Sure enough we were going in circles but did not believe the compass. Lucky we had a torch as a back up to the compass! Michael > On 26 Sep 2013, at 3:35 pm, DMcD wrote: > > The compass rule reminds me of the offshore yacht racing rules which > required a sextant as an emergency backup for GPS or Satnav. > > Apart from almost nobody being able to use a sextant or being able to > use it on the deck of a small boat in a sea or being able to do the > calculations to fix your position some half an hour earlier, the > chances were that there was complete overcast during the event, > especially if it was anywhere near Victoria or Tasmania. > > Finally, they agreed that one could have a second (battery powered?) > GPS as backup for the main one. I can remember that my first Garmin > would take so long to get a fix when first switched on that the > rechargeable batteries would run out of electricity before you got a > fix. > > So there was no substitute for keeping a running fix on a chart. And > you can steer a yacht with a compass much better than a sailplane, > especially at night. > > D > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Sports handicap DG1000
Not only can he not add but he can't dun speek we'll! Michael > On 23 Sep 2013, at 9:39 pm, "Derek Ruddock" wrote: > > Is that a Freudian slip Terry, or did you really deride the handicappers > decision? J > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Terry Cubley > Sent: Sunday, 22 September 2013 8:54 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: [Aus-soaring] Sports handicap DG1000 > > I protested loudly about the bad reference weight of the DG1OOO on the new > handicap list. My clear memory was that I was only able to fit 60litres of > water into the glider and so used my great mathematical skills to deride the > reference weight allocated. The problem however was that my ‘memory’ was > lacking and in fact I could place 60 litres into each wing (a significant > difference). This means that my claim was completely incorrect and the > handicap committee once again prove that they are very thorough and accurate > in determining the appropriate weights and handicaps. My apologies to all > concerned, in particular given that one member of the committee put > themselves to great effort to collect the relevant data so to help me > understand my error. > > Terry > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] For sale ASH-31
It may be that if you see you ASI reading 20kts above VNE you should tighten you harness and put your head forward in preparation for kissing your arse goodbye! Michael On 09/09/2013, at 6:24 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote: > > Now here is an interesting question: Does anyone find a Vne that high at all > useful? > It is my understanding that it is a result of a design requirement not to > exceed Vne in a 30 degree dive with full brake at gross > weightwhich is driven by the requirement to do a recovery > from an unusual attitude when cloud flying. > > Which you aren't meant to do in Australia. > > Seriously, I'm all ears, GFA people. I'd love to hear the engineering > justification for an ASI that goes to 20 knots over Vne. Or is this plucked > from the nether regions during some meeting? > > Mike > > > > > > >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring >> instrumentation since 1978 >> www.borgeltinstruments.com >> tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 >> mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 >> P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation > since 1978 > www.borgeltinstruments.com > tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 > mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 > P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Newbie Questions
Further to the other replies, If you glider has a motor you under go some additional training at your club and get a motor glider endorsement. This endorsement has two stages: The first is for "local use" and the other for touring. Of course you can within that endorsement have self launching and sustainer use, depending on the type and power of motor. The motor glider endorsement is quite aircraft specific, because every one has different controls and characteristics as do gliders. Casa (some say "civilians against sports aviation") is introducing an international licence which can be used over seas. Out glider pilot certificate goes well beyond solo flying and so you can fly progressively higher levels before you get that certificate. Michael On 23/08/2013, at 2:49 PM, Peter Champness wrote: > Dear Neville, > > CASA has delegated the GFA to manage and administer Gliding in Australia. > The GFA controls gliding via the clubs. Therefore you have to join a club. > Addresses are given on the GFA website. > > There is a training syllabus, and you can fly a glider when the CFI of your > club says that you can. > > If you want to build a glider from plans there are approved designs. The > cost of second hand gliders means it is not really worth doing that but if > you are interested there are some unfinished homebuilt projects which you > could acquire. > > Peter Champness > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 2:44 PM, Neville Sutton > wrote: >> I am told that you don't need a License to Glide in Australia >> >> But there are endorsements or classes ?? >> >> I have read online the way to get into Gliding is to Join a local club (I am >> still trying to find out if local club is still operating) >> >> What exams are there and is it possible to study them now (before flying) >> >> The process to me seems very confusing >> >> Then if a glider has a motor can I assume you need a license >> >> Also is there Plans build gliders i.e. build from scratch not a kit >> >> All Google seems to return is Models i.e.radio control >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pretty clever....
Yes the lookout is appalling! Connect the iPad to the controls and you don't need the pilot at all. As he said nothing could be simpler or more complete. Michael On 22/07/2013, at 1:59 PM, Paul Bart wrote: > Nice app, but did you post it to show us all how much power pilots look out? > > > Cheers > > Paul > > Cheers > > Paul > > > On 22 July 2013 12:04, Michael Shirley wrote: >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KE00OMiKVQ#at=297 >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Murray Evans formula
The scorer also won the regatta too! I'm not suggesting any inappropriate
behaviour but that was good fun too
Michael
On 07/03/2013, at 10:36 PM, Terry Home wrote:
> The ME formula was used for many years, but it was used to compare results
> across classes for team selection, not handicaps. ME would apply the formula
> to produce a team solution and then some "wise" heads would critique and then
> ME would "adjust" the factors and produce a new set of results. Eventually an
> answer was agreed. The most subjective objective process.
>
> Handicaps were formulated by another member (? Brown?) who spent a lot of
> personal time reviewing polar curves and calculating thermal characteristics
> to calculate the "right" handicap. The concept was good but Unfortunately,
> the polar curve data was from many sources and therefore no consistency. The
> first club class I went to the pilots spent the whole two weeks arguing about
> handicaps.
>
> We then invited another group of wise heads to use their experience and
> invent some handicaps. Since that time, there have been very few issues with
> handicaps. It is not an exact science.
>
> At Gawler we now use Pilot handicaps also , which is even less scientific,
> but good fun. A little retrospective adjustment resolves any errors.
>
> Terry
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 07/03/2013, at 8:10 PM, wrote:
>
>> Peter,
>> That is an interesting suggestion! I wonder if it could be practically (and
>> fairly), done?
>>
>> Re "poor" task setting, I tend to think that your objection 'having to start
>> early/finish late" is actually as a general principle, just the opposite -
>> at a National level and probably a State level too, this is what good
>> tasking should be all about! In general, the task setting at most
>> competitions, on most reasonably soarable days, is far too conservative.
>> {Everybody, please carefully note those two provisos - "most" &
>> "reasonably"!}
>>
>> Having said that, I tend to agree with your last paragraph, which then gets
>> back to the question I raised in my first paragraph above.
>>
>> The points noted by Matthew Scutter, in his email below, are all reasonable
>> too. Emilis Prelgauskas in a recent posting on this site, talked (amongst
>> other things), about some of the problems facing the gliding movement in
>> this country, including a gradual loss of knowledge held collectively by the
>> membership, and knowledge (mostly), lost to the current Board and those
>> administrating the GFA system. Once upon a time - I think it was just around
>> the time of the introduction of computers into gliding scoring - a guy
>> called Murray Evans (Murray-Evans?), came up with a system that related
>> everybody's performance back to their glider polar, and the results for the
>> day were then "corrected". The system was tried once, and promptly
>> abandoned, as being unworkable - which was fair enough at the time. The
>> first and possibly major problem then, was obtaining realistic polars, for
>> the gliders competing. Number crunching (laughable today), was also a
>> problem, as I recall. In my view, it might now prove profitable to revisit
>> the principles of the ME concept, and check their workability in the current
>> hi-tek environment.
>>
>> Ann Woolf - given the tremendous (mind boggling?) - work that you have done
>> on compiling the electronic AG data base - could I please call upon you to
>> put the article(s?), that appeared in Australian Gliding, on this web site,
>> for the perusal and comment of a latter generation of glider pilots?
>>
>> Gary
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: nimb...@internode.on.net
>> To: aus-soaring
>> Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 6:00 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Boring
>>
>> How about letting the previous generation 20m gliders fly in 15m class where
>> the handicaps are much closer as compared to current generation open class.
>>
>> The other factor that gives the higher performance gliders an advantage over
>> the previous generation gliders when there is a large handicap spread is
>> poor task setting.
>> This occurs when racing tasks are set that force the lower performance
>> gliders to fly in weaker conditions by having to start early or finish
>> later. Where there is a significant spread in handicaps then racing tasks
>> should not be set.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter
>>
>> Sent from my HTC smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Matthew Scutter"
>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
>>
>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Boring
>> Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:29
>>
>>
>> Ron,
>> Because the handicaps have practical limitations as gliders have
>> different performance characteristics in different weather, which
>> handicaps can't take into account.
>> The handicaps are probably fair for a Cirrus and an ASG29 on a 3kt
>> day, but they certainly aren't on a 12kt day.
>> This seems to be th
Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence
Thank you Page 297-300 of the 511 pages are relevant it becomes effective 5 december 2013 Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Christopher Thorpe To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence Refer to: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_101326 and http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2013L00218/Download -Original Message- From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Scutter Sent: Saturday, 2 March 2013 5:17 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider licence Mick English responded promptly to me about 3 months ago to say it was bundled in a lot of other CASA legislation and likely to go through between October and December. He's probably sick of glider pilots emailing him every few days! -Matthew On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Michael Scutter wrote: > Yes, I understand that web page!!! > Eight months ago I contact mick English, the project person to ask about time lines. He responded "watch this space!" That page has not been updated since April 2012. Twice I have emailed him asking about timelines and progress without reply. > > I thought some one know what is happening as a date of implementation of December was mentioned. I'd like to know if the December date is correct? Who is going to issue the licence? > > I.e where is an update beyond "watch this space" > > Michael > > On 02/03/2013, at 2:29 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > >> CASA document below > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Glider licence
Yes, I understand that web page!!! Eight months ago I contact mick English, the project person to ask about time lines. He responded "watch this space!" That page has not been updated since April 2012. Twice I have emailed him asking about timelines and progress without reply. I thought some one know what is happening as a date of implementation of December was mentioned. I'd like to know if the December date is correct? Who is going to issue the licence? I.e where is an update beyond "watch this space" Michael On 02/03/2013, at 2:29 PM, "John Hudson" wrote: > CASA document below ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] glider register
I have tried to find out the progress of this project and get no response from mick English. Do you know where it says is will be available for issue? Michael On 02/03/2013, at 12:20 PM, Mark Newton wrote: > > On 02/03/2013, at 10:33 AM, tom claffey wrote: > > >> >> Halebloodyulia!! >> It will be nice to join the rest of the world re licence. :) > > I'm kinda surprised this is news. It's been on CASA's website for ages. > > Background: http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935 > > The conditions are basically that the applicant for a CASA glider pilot > certificate > must hold a current pilot certificate issued by the GFA "or another > recognised authority," > and must hold a CASA class 2 medical. The certificate will only be valid for > as long as > you maintain your GFA membership. > > I wonder how long it'll take before that last condition disappears. It's > hard to see a lot > of value in it. CASA regulations are supposed to be based on safety cases, > and you don't > suddenly cease to be a safe pilot as soon as your GFA membership lapses. > > (given that GFA can't issue ADs anymore, you probably don't even cease to be > a safe > pilot when your aircraft falls out of the GFA airworthiness system. I'm > quite looking forward > to seeing some GFA communication about the new limitations on their > airworthiness > authority) > > The times, they are a'changin'. Will be interesting to see how GFA changes > with them. > > Regards, > >- mark > > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] 100% electric VTOL
Yep, Pour the Kero Over it and short the lipo batteries Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Mike Borgelt To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, 27 February 2013 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 100% electric VTOL Come to think about it - who left the SparrowHawk in the hangar with the e-volocopter overnight? This thing could actually work. Now add a small gas turbine driving an alternator and some kerosene and you can extend the range. This thing could actually work quite well. Mike At 06:52 PM 27/02/2013, you wrote: >Sorry Bernard, > >It is a Sparrowhawk from Windward performance, not an ASW or ASG. > >I like the e-volo copter design. This one looks like it owes >something to that concept of multiple small rotors. > >Mike > > >At 05:09 PM 27/02/2013, you wrote: >> >>Hello all! >> >>Have a look and see how the beautiful fuselage design of the ASW 27,ASW 28 >>and ASG 29 can be misused! >>http://www.jobyaviation.com/animation >> >>Kind regards >> >>Bernard >> >> >>___ >>Aus-soaring mailing list >>Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>To check or change subscription details, visit: >>http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > >___ >Aus-soaring mailing list >Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >To check or change subscription details, visit: >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4
John, that is really interesting. Have you sampled more than one battery or repeated the test on the same battery? Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: John Parncutt To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 Hi David, The link you provide is to exactly the same model of Shorai battery I have been evaluating. The load tests I have done give it an actual capacity of 4 A/H (far from the stated capacity of 14 A/H). I have attached an image of the results for your info, for comparison the results on one of our clubs existing (used) lead acid glider batteries is also included. This clearly demonstrates the ability of the Lithium battery to provide an almost constant voltage across its complete discharge period whereas the lead acid battery voltage continually drops to a point where some of our instrumentation and particularly the radio in transmit mode may fail about halfway through discharge. If you note the Shorai literature states an equivalent A/H rating to that of a 14 A/H lead acid battery not an actual A/H rating. This is misleading and I think a bit of sales spin! The comparison I think is based on the Cold Cranking capacity of the battery, ie. the ability to delivery large currents to a starter motor bearing in mind these batteries are designed to replace wet lead acid motorcycle batteries. The bottom line is that the 14 A/H Shorai battery will not deliver 1 amp continuously for 14 hours, well certainly not the one I tested!! John Parncutt From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of David Conway Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 4:38 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 Agreed; something like this would be better http://www.shoraipower.com/s.nl/it.A/id.91/.f 14AH – twice that of a normal SLA glider battery – and less than half the weight @ 662g David From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Sent: 26 February 2013 15:02 To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 Hi Ian From a safety point of view this is much better than what the Boeing dreamliner is using. However, I would never put a battery like that in a glider unless it is securely placed in a much more impact resistant enclosure. Kind regards Bernard From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee Sent: Tuesday, 26 February 2013 2:15 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] LiFePo4 About $87 and notice a new Arcus M was fitted at factory with something similar. This is NOT what B787 is using. Ian M http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__22656__ZIPPY_Flightmax_8400mAh_4S2P_30C_LiFePo4_Pack_AUS_Warehouse_.html ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] AIRBUS has abandoned its plans to use lithium-ion batteries for its new A350 airplanes
Lfp weight 10ah 1.15kg vs sla 9ah 3.2kg Michael On 25/02/2013, at 9:12 PM, Matthew Gage wrote: > However, there isn't much point at the moment > > The weight saving is small for the same capacity, but the cost difference is > huge. > > As an example, a 10Ah LiFePO4 battery in the "standard" size most of use > weighs 1.92kg. An equivalent 9Ah SLA weighs 2.55kg > > > > > > On 25/02/2013, at 21:33 , Matthew Scutter wrote: > >> What's (hopefully) getting popular in gliders now is lithium *iron* >> (LiFePO4) rather than lithium-ion. >> That one little r is the difference between a fireball and a sizzle >> [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_iron_phosphate_battery#Safety] >> >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Mark Newton wrote: >>> >>> On 25/02/2013, at 8:33 PM, Craig Vinall wrote: >>> >>> Thought this may be of interest. I know that these batteries are becoming >>> popular in gliders; what do others think? Is there a potential fire risk? >>> >>> >>> Probably the wrong question to ask, given that you could just as easily >>> inquire into whether >>> there's a potential fire risk inherent in carrying around tanks of volatile >>> hydrocarbons. >>> >>> More useful questions would be, "Under what conditions can a fire start," >>> and, "Once it >>> has started, what can you do about it?" >>> >>> By my money, the worst parts about the event in NY weren't associated with >>> the fact that >>> the batteries caught fire; the worst bits were the fact that Boeing had >>> assured the FAA >>> that thermal runaway was impossible (it clearly wasn't) and the fact that it >>> took fire crews, >>> with all their training and specialized equipment, more than 40 minutes to >>> extinguish it. >>> >>> Could have been worse -- could have been over the Pacific somewhere at the >>> limits of >>> ETOPS. >>> >>> ANA has grounded their 787s until at least May, so there'll be a lot of time >>> to ponder those >>> issues before they start flying again. >>> >>> - mark >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] was fires etc
I think on reading this, the actions of the police don't inspire public confidence that they know what they are doing! But then don't believe everything you see on the internet Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Mike Borgelt To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Monday, 14 January 2013 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] was fires etc This sort of thing doesn't help gliding's popularity either: http://www.aopa.org/aircraft/articles/2013/130110secret-no-fly-zone.html?WT.mc_id=130111epilot&WT.mc_sect=gan Mike Borgelt Instruments- design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 www.borgeltinstruments.com tel: 07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784 mob: 042835 5784 : int+61-42835 5784 P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Wave camp Bunyan 22 to 29 Sept
Matthew Michael and Claire scutter are coming Michael On 16/09/2012, at 6:49 PM, Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON wrote: > Tks Mal > > If there are pilots out there who are coming but have not registered their > interest > please contact me off line - I like to know how many are coming for > logistical purposes. > > Re the skiing; the resorts are like gamblers, they advertise their gains but > are silent about > the losses; I was at Perisher last Monday, they had lost a lot in the > pervious three weeks; > that said its still good for mid September ;) > > Stuart FERGUSON > Phone - 0419 797508 > > > On 16/09/2012, at 18:44, "Mal Bruce" wrote: > >> Snow and wave on the way >> >> http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/4day_col.shtml >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] BBC News - Newmarket glider crash: Pilot Gerrard Dale describes collision
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-18971978 Michael ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Release tester
I think the ad277 tests require removal for teating Michael On 21/06/2012, at 4:06 PM, Kenneth Caldwell wrote: > Can anyone on the list point me to a design for a release tester? (That is to > say a device which can safely apply a load on the tow hook up to about 600 > daN without removing the hook from the glider) > > My Googling skills seem to have failed me > > Ken > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] (no subject)
http://www.lawrencemschoen.com/wp-content/themes/evenflow/googles.html___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] ABCD & etc.
the aircraft type was a IS-28B2 BRASOV GLIDER Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Christopher Mc Donnell To: Gliding mail list Sent: Tuesday, 19 June 2012 4:49 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] ABCD & etc. http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Cause-sought-in-glider-crash-that-killed-3-near-3643035.php ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Foot launched glider
They are also the Australian agents but at $90k for the basic unit excluding trailer and importing and freight costs this will be very expensive Michael On 07/06/2012, at 2:12 PM, Kenneth Caldwell wrote: > There is at least one of these flying in Australia I believe. > cheers, > Ken Caldwell > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Bob Ward wrote: > Certainly an interesting aircraft, but definitely not the earliest example of > such crossovers. In the early 70s, an American named Volmer Jensen designed > the VJ 23 which was a three axis controlled foot launched hang glider > constructed of wood, fabric and aluminium. Volmer produced this design > largely because he was concerned with the serious fatality rete of the early > weight shift designs. > The design was available as a kit and many were built, including some powered > versions, one of which flew the English channel. Many references to Volmer > Jensen’s many designs by goggling Volmer Jensen. The VJ23 apparently had > quite respectable soaring performance > > Regards > Bob Ward > > From: Justin Sinclair > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 6:44 AM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foot launched glider > > At $90,000 not including trailer it will be just a dream for me > > JJ > > Justin Sinclair > 17 Queen st. > Scarborough Qld 4020 > > Hm 07 3885 8949 > Mob 0421 061 811 > > Email jjsincl...@optusnet.com.au > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 07/06/2012, at 12:53 AM, Catherine Conway wrote: > >> Looks like fun >> >> The ultimate crossover >> >> >> On 06/06/2012, at 9:00 PM, Angus Stewart wrote: >> >>> Don't know if you lot have seen this yet - have these been done before? >>> I think I might want one! >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpemglwS8XA&feature=youtu.be >>> ___ >>> Aus-soaring mailing list >>> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >>> To check or change subscription details, visit: >>> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring >> >> >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Promoting Gliding
check this out! the story http://www.postcards-sa.com.au/features2008/glider_club.html and the video http://www.postcards-sa.com.au/features_videos_pages/adelaide_soaring_club.html Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Mike Borgelt To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2012 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Promoting Gliding At 08:27 AM 30/05/2012, you wrote: Promotional video from the US: >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeOKjjaMCP0 >Rgds - Rolf >___ >Aus-soaring mailing list >Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >To check or change subscription details, visit: >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Nicely done promo. Now how in hell is the soaring movement going to deliver on that promise? Mike ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence
I have a British gliding licence. I wonder if that will count? The German LBA accepted the British licence to fly in Germany! Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Christopher Mc Donnell To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. ; GGC Members Sent: Friday, 18 May 2012 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence Citing from the CASA document entitled: Project FS 12/21 "An applicant for a CASA glider pilot certificate must hold a current pilot certificate issued by the GFA or another recognised authority" (Bolding and italics are mine) I have a little green book entitled: FEDERATION AERONAUTIQUE INTERNATIONALE AUSTRALIA (THE ROYAL FEDERATION OF AERO CLUBS OF AUSTRALIA) GLIDING CERTIFICATE I cannot help but wonder whether that is compliant with the requirement above? - Original Message - >From: Dave Long & Cath Lincoln >To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. ; GGC Members >Sent: Friday, May 18, 2012 11:06 AM >Subject: [Aus-soaring] CASA gliding licence > > >Interesting. > >http://www.casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:PWA::pc=PC_100935 > >Seems it won’t be much use to anyone unless you also have a CASA pilot >licence. Makes it expensive if all you want is a gliding licence. There >will also be a number of people flying currently who would not pass a Class 2 >medical. > >Dave Long > > ___ >Aus-soaring mailing list >Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >To check or change subscription details, visit: >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flight record
I have a collibri. It is not different very much in size or shape to a volkslogger. It may be possible to eat one, but due to its undigestible components, it may raise a few eyebrows on the way out. OUCH! Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Mark Newton To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flight record On Thu, May 03, 2012 at 11:05:12AM +0930, Mark Newton wrote: > > This might be cause for some thought: > > Does anyone know how to eat a Volkslogger? (I'm asking for a friend) - mark :-) ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Birdwings
Sorry but a small error shows the fake. The guy turning on the head camera is not wearing glasses. then next shot is him turning away and running to back camera and OH NO he's wearing sun glasses! so what happened to the film continuity and its authenticity? Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Stuart Cassidy To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Wednesday, 21 March 2012 3:54 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Birdwings http://www.humanbirdwings.net/ Apparently some dutch guy has built himself a set of ings, powered by flapping his arms ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Final Glide Calculators
Hi All, I collect old slide rules and calculators. I really treasure them. If any one want to give them to me I would provide a good home. Contact me off line for my postal address regards michael Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: "ventu...@unwired.com.au" To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Tuesday, 27 September 2011 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Old Technology - Final Glide Calculators I don't know if this paper presented at OSTIV 1991 by R. C. Gibbons is of any real use to you, but it might be of historical interest for those who are interested in the theory behind creating monograms (the young ones aren't) and thus the calculators themselves. See attached file. - Original Message - >From: Ruth Patching >To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 8:54 AM >Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Old Technology - Final Glide Calculators > > >Good morning Colin, >I have a manual for the Bob McCullough WAC 40 if you need one. Probably got a WAC 40 somewhere as well. >The introduction of the JSW and WAC 40's changed the way we flew final glides. Much the same way technology does today. Bob said the WAC 40 gave you 50 feet at the finish, I never had the guts to try it but many did. The trick I used was to not use published LD's and go back a few. Example, for the Libelle, I used the Boomerang polar. >Cheers >Patch > > >- Original Message - >From: "Colin Campbell" >To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." >Sent: Sunday, 25 September, 2011 10:49:32 PM (GMT+1000) Auto-Detected >Subject: [Aus-soaring] Old Technology - Final Glide Calculators > > >Hi >Does anyone have a JSW Final Glide calculator or one of the circular map >based calculators they no longer want? >I have seen them in two sizes, the larger including 1:250,000 map segment in >addition to 1:1,000,000 >I require them as props for a presentation on the final glide to early cross >country pilots. >Even a scanned copy of the tables for various gliders/wind/lift >combinations would be very useful. >My approach is to explain the fundamentals before they go down the technology >path. >Please contact for postal address. >Thanks >Colin C > > >___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ >Aus-soaring mailing list >Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >To check or change subscription details, visit: >http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Uvalde PREWORLDS Team Blog
But you don't have a B in your name!!! Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: tom claffey To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Mon, 18 July, 2011 5:39:03 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Uvalde PREWORLDS Team Blog Hi all, Just for info I am flying the comp as well, and I believe Brad Edwards may be there as well. We can just call ourselves the "B" team. Regards, Tom Claffey From: Anita Taylor To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Monday, 18 July 2011 9:50 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Uvalde PREWORLDS Team Blog How exciting: we leave on the weekend, and the rest of the Team is preparing or on the way as well. Team Members: Captain Terry Cubley (assist by Mandy Temple next year) Open John Buchanan and Gerrit Kurstjens 15m Peter Trotter and Lisa Trotter (It’s pretty special to have a Wife and Husband Team!!) 18m Bruce Taylor and David Jansen (David is in Germany preparing for the Grand Prix being held at the Wasserkuppe http://sailplane-grandprix-2011.aero/?lang=en and we wish him good luck and good flying) We will be running a public facebook page as our blog. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Australian-Gliding-Team-Uvalde-2012/144054625668825 I’d appreciate as many LIKES as possible, as I’d like to show to third parties that we have a wide support base J The Junior Team is also all stations GO for their World Championships, also in Germany. Here is their blog: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Australian-Junior-Gliding-Team/216217575090131 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia!
Its not free to you. You pay a separate subscription. When I renewed my GFA membership, I did not select the magazine subscription. I was told in no uncertain terms by GFA that "my GFA membership would not be renewed until I paid the separate subscription", hence I could not fly with my club until I paid that component. Michael Scutter, Education & Training Consultant, Email: michael_scut...@yahoo.com.au Mobile: 0417822330 (Int +614178223300) skype://michaelscutter I don't say anything here that I would not say to your face. From: Peter F Bradshaw To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Sent: Sat, 2 July, 2011 10:50:29 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliding Australia! Hi; On Sat, 2 Jul 2011, DMcD wrote: . . . > > The question is, if the mag is free to us, why not publish it in > parallel on the GFA site or give us the option to take either version? > After all, it's only one click of a button in something like Indesign. > . . . Exactly! Cheers -- Peter F Bradshaw: http://www.exadios.com (public keys avaliable there). Personal site: http://personal.exadios.com "I love truth, and the way the government still uses it occasionally to keep us guessing." - Sam Kekovich. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
