Re: [Aus-soaring] Canopy Latch Mechanism Wanted - Std Libelle 201B

[Pam Kurstjens]

Google 'yahoo libelle' owners group and post a message there.

 

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Hipperson
Sent: Sunday, 1 June 2008 9:11 AM
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Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Canopy Latch Mechanism Wanted - Std Libelle 201B

 

Good luck Mark,

I posted the same request around a year ago and got no replies.
If you get more than one offered I am still interested in one.

Dennis

Mark Bower wrote: 

I'm seeking a complete Libelle canopy latch mechanism for an existing canopy
frame to be fitted to my AUS based Std Libelle.

Please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] with details, expected
price, etc.

 

Regards,

Mark Bower

 



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Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly

[Pam Kurstjens]

I disagree.
Captain and First Officer still take full legal responsibility for their
actions and decisions when operating a flight.
How they handle difficult situations, and how they perform in their
6-monthly sim checks, has more to do with job retention and promotion.
Pam Kurstjens


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Kerri FERGUSON
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 5:40 PM
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Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly

.even your 20,000 hour Airline Captain is not an independent
operator, he/she is operating under the supervision of the Chief Pilot
through any number of Check and Training Captains etc. 

Supervision maintains safety cultures and standards; good cultures and
standards help maintain our safety record and keeps insurance premiums 
down and I don't think anyone could argue against that :) 

SDF 

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Prelgauskas
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 3:36 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly

Thank you Steve
His name isn't Tom, but that doesn't matter. He also has 5000 hours 
in Canberras and other interesting military stuff, but the rest is 
pretty straight.

When flying check out is done on a performance basis (ie is he safe) 
rather than prescriptive basis (ie the federation), he gets his 
tickets on merit, by the regulator anointed check pilot.

end of issue



On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:04:22 +0930, swk wrote:
>Unfortunately, one of the four, Tom I think it  was, doesn't have a
>level 2 ind ops rating.
>It's a bit sad really cos Tom is long time  flying enthusiast and
>has been flying for about 35 years, he has retired from  full time
>work now and is reasonably well off with time and money, that's why
>the guys actually got together. 



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Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly

[Pam Kurstjens]

I didn't intend my second point to mean anything other than: if you fail
your sim check, you lose your job. If you do well, you get promoted. I've
seen both happen in the airline I flew for.

I've also met rogue pilots. They are nasty things to fly with. There are
rogues (autocrats) in the human race, it's a fact of life, they have trouble
accepting authority, but they are often very strongly disciplined, within
their own particular belief of how the world ought to be. They just expect
the world to bend to their rules.

That doesn't work in cockpit resource management. 

Pam

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart &
Kerri FERGUSON
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 8:06 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly

 

Pam,

You said  - Captain and First Officer still take full legal
responsibility for their

actions and decisions when operating a flight, and this is correct BUT they
are still under 

supervision and management of the employing company (Operations manuals SOPs
etc, his fellow 

crew members and even the fare paying passenger.

 

Your second point reminds me of a book, "Darker Shade of Blue; the Rogue
Pilot" is tremendous reading 

on the subject. I had the privilege of meeting the author and discussing the
subject when I was studying Aviation Safety Management several years ago -
the following paragraph is cut from an on line review of this book -
riveting stuff.

 

Darker Shade of Blue: the Rogue Pilot by Lt. Col. Tony Kern, Ph. D.,
(McGraw-Hill, 1999) examines the fundamental failure of otherwise good
pilots to maintain disciple. Too many aviators who have "good hands" for
flying have bad attitudes toward authority, risk, the immutable facts of
aeronautics, and ultimately their own limitations. This lack of discipline
kills. It kills pilots -- and it costs the lives of crews, passengers, and
people on the ground. Despite the uncompromising tone of Kern's book, the
understated truth is that rogue culture pervades all of aviation. 

 

SDF

 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam
Kurstjens
Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 6:37 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly

 

I disagree.

Captain and First Officer still take full legal responsibility for their

actions and decisions when operating a flight.

How they handle difficult situations, and how they perform in their

6-monthly sim checks, has more to do with job retention and promotion.

Pam Kurstjens

 

 

-Original Message-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart &

Kerri FERGUSON

Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 5:40 PM

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in

Australia.'

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly

 

.even your 20,000 hour Airline Captain is not an independent

operator, he/she is operating under the supervision of the Chief Pilot

through any number of Check and Training Captains etc. 

 

Supervision maintains safety cultures and standards; good cultures and

standards help maintain our safety record and keeps insurance premiums 

down and I don't think anyone could argue against that :) 

 

SDF 

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emilis

Prelgauskas

Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 3:36 PM

To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly

 

Thank you Steve

His name isn't Tom, but that doesn't matter. He also has 5000 hours 

in Canberras and other interesting military stuff, but the rest is 

pretty straight.

 

When flying check out is done on a performance basis (ie is he safe) 

rather than prescriptive basis (ie the federation), he gets his 

tickets on merit, by the regulator anointed check pilot.

 

end of issue

 

 

 

On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:04:22 +0930, swk wrote:

>Unfortunately, one of the four, Tom I think it  was, doesn't have a

>level 2 ind ops rating.

>It's a bit sad really cos Tom is long time  flying enthusiast and

>has been flying for about 35 years, he has retired from  full time

>work now and is reasonably well off with time and money, that's why

>the guys actually got together. 

 

 

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

[Pam Kurstjens]

Harry

Very nicely put. 

The really dangerous thing to do is to limit start height to a level at or
below cloudbase that can result in EVERYONE being at the top of the same
thermal waiting to start. In some circumstances they wait a long time after
the start has opened. This can happen even when no height limit has been
imposed, but a height limit will make it more likely.

Without a height limit, it is perceived that pilots gain an unfair advantage
by climbing several thousand feet higher than those who launch at the back
of the grid. This situation is made much worse when the announcement that
the start line will open in 15 minutes is made while the last two gliders in
the class are still ON TOW, as happened at Temora this year, and added
weight to the discussion at the pilots meeting.

>> 

I would invite comments on the following:

The sensible compromise would be to have a maximum start height which is
above cloudbase, and therefore any gaggling in a very limited space (top of
a single thermal) is avoided. This would mean people can climb, let's say,
2000 feet above cloudbase, a compromise between getting everyone out of
everyone's way, and not allowing them to go up several thousand feet if they
have an extra hour in which to do so.

I'm suggesting 2000, rather than 500 ft above cloudbase, because when
transitioning into thermal wave, the first few hundred feet involve being
close to the wisps, and we wouldn't want everyone held in that layer. Also,
the prediction of cloudbase within 500ft is difficult, and cloudbase may
well rise 500 ft during the launch.

Pam Kurstjens

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Shorter
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 10:46 AM
To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

 

 

-Original Message-
From: harry medlicott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 9:54 AM
To: Dave Shorter
Subject: 

 

Dave,

 

For reasons I am unable to sort out in the short term, am able to receive
aus-soaring postings but not send them.

 

Was hoping you could submit the following on my behalf,

 

Thanks,

 

Harry

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

The opinions by very experienced pilots as to the risks associated with the
proposal to introduce competition starting 

requirements involving a defined maximum height and speed coupled with
severe penalties for infringements must surely result in this proposal being
reconsidered.

 

Despite this, the reasons behind this proposal deserve consideration. These
appears to be to provide all competitors a fair start, irrespective of
launching time. Implicit and explicit in the current rules is the provision
that the opening of the start gate be delayed on days when convection is
high to allow the last gliders to launch sufficient time to be in a position
to start at the same time as earlier launches. Hard to argue with this. An
advantageous start when others are still climbing to launch height can have
a profound effect on a daily score, particularly on days when an early start
is desirable for meteorological reasons.

 

So on days when shear wave or wave generally is available, what should be
the time delay before the start gate is opened? Allow for a pilot to find
his first reasonable thermal, climb and then travel perhaps 10 km to a start
point, find a suitable active cloud, climb to cloud base, accelerate to
achieve a high speed without entering the cloud, dive upwind through the
skirt of the cloud, hopefully connect with the shear wave and then climb
1/4,000ft at a lesser rate of climb.Do it in less than 40 minutes and you
are very fortunate. 

 

Particularly in club/sports class the time to launch a class can run to
30/40 minutes. Add enough time for the last launched gliders to contact and
climb in wave and we have the early launched pilots perhaps loitering in the
start area for much too long and the potential to set a longer task or fit
one in on an indifferent or storm threatened day greatly compromised.

 

The answer assuming the aim is to ensure a fair start for all and not unduly
lengthen the start process?

 

Set a maximum allowed start height on the basis of about 500 ft above
predicted cloud base with the provision to vary this height at the time the
start gate is opened if the first estimate is incorrect. No pilot is going
to bother seeking out an extra 500 feet or thereabouts. An easier solution
would be to have a rule prohibiting starting above cloud base. Not ideal and
subject to argument but it would probably be effective in preventing major
advantage being taken of pilots accessing wave, if that is the aim of the
exercise,

 

Harry Medlicott

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Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

[Pam Kurstjens]

I'm always a bit worried when we start to rely on messages given over the
radio that we can't be sure all the pilots have heard. There is another
opportunity for unfairness. Best to decide before takeoff.

Pam

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce
Taylor
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 12:41 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

 

I can only agree with Harry and Pam. We should not try to set a height limit
below cloudbase; for all the reasons already put it would be irresponsible
to do so. But a limit some small height above cloudbase solves all the
problems.

 

What height? Remember that we are attempting to quell any perception of
unfairness. My feeling is that 2000 feet above convection height is still
enough for an advantage if the first leg is downwind. However, if the height
allowed above cloudbase was small enough, then there is really no
possibility for advantage, and everyone will probably stay below base. Can
we use reports from airborne gliders to ascertain an accurate figure for the
highest cloudbase in the area?

 

There are more issues to be worked through, such as requirements for
calibration on loggers, (something we have managed to live without so far)
and penalties for indiscretions. The consequences of going over height need
to be sufficient to discourage, but not to cause irreparable damage in the
competition for that pilot.

 

Some questions to answer, but I favour this option wholeheartedly.

 

BT

 

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From: Pam Kurstjens <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Discussion of issues relating to
<mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>  Soaring in Australia.' 

Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

 

Harry

Very nicely put. 

The really dangerous thing to do is to limit start height to a level at or
below cloudbase that can result in EVERYONE being at the top of the same
thermal waiting to start. In some circumstances they wait a long time after
the start has opened. This can happen even when no height limit has been
imposed, but a height limit will make it more likely.

Without a height limit, it is perceived that pilots gain an unfair advantage
by climbing several thousand feet higher than those who launch at the back
of the grid. This situation is made much worse when the announcement that
the start line will open in 15 minutes is made while the last two gliders in
the class are still ON TOW, as happened at Temora this year, and added
weight to the discussion at the pilots meeting.

>> 

I would invite comments on the following:

The sensible compromise would be to have a maximum start height which is
above cloudbase, and therefore any gaggling in a very limited space (top of
a single thermal) is avoided. This would mean people can climb, let's say,
2000 feet above cloudbase, a compromise between getting everyone out of
everyone's way, and not allowing them to go up several thousand feet if they
have an extra hour in which to do so.

I'm suggesting 2000, rather than 500 ft above cloudbase, because when
transitioning into thermal wave, the first few hundred feet involve being
close to the wisps, and we wouldn't want everyone held in that layer. Also,
the prediction of cloudbase within 500ft is difficult, and cloudbase may
well rise 500 ft during the launch.

Pam Kurstjens

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Shorter
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 10:46 AM
To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

 

 

-Original Message-
From: harry medlicott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 9:54 AM
To: Dave Shorter
Subject: 

 

Dave,

 

For reasons I am unable to sort out in the short term, am able to receive
aus-soaring postings but not send them.

 

Was hoping you could submit the following on my behalf,

 

Thanks,

 

Harry

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

The opinions by very experienced pilots as to the risks associated with the
proposal to introduce competition starting 

requirements involving a defined maximum height and speed coupled with
severe penalties for infringements must surely result in this proposal being
reconsidered.

 

Despite this, the reasons behind this proposal deserve consideration. These
appears to be to provide all competitors a fair start, irrespective of
launching time. Implicit and explicit in the current rules is the provision
that the opening of the start gate be delayed on days when convection is
high to allow the last gliders to launch sufficient time to be in a position
to start at the same time as earlier launches. Hard to argue with this. An
advantageous start when others are still climbing to launch height can have
a profound effect on a daily score, particularly on days when an early start
is

Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

[Pam Kurstjens]

VFR rules require us to stay 1000 ft vertically clear of cloud, unless
cloudbase is below 3000 ft AMSL in which case staying 200 ft below cloudbase
would take precedent over the VFR rules 'clear of cloud'.

Problem solved.

haha

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 2:25 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

 

I thought we had rules that said we had to fly 200feet below cloudbase, the
other alternative is to use your launch time as your start time..

JR- Original Message - 

From: Bruce Taylor <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: Discussion of issues relating to
<mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>  Soaring in Australia. 

Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 12:10 PM

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

 

I can only agree with Harry and Pam. We should not try to set a height limit
below cloudbase; for all the reasons already put it would be irresponsible
to do so. But a limit some small height above cloudbase solves all the
problems.

 

What height? Remember that we are attempting to quell any perception of
unfairness. My feeling is that 2000 feet above convection height is still
enough for an advantage if the first leg is downwind. However, if the height
allowed above cloudbase was small enough, then there is really no
possibility for advantage, and everyone will probably stay below base. Can
we use reports from airborne gliders to ascertain an accurate figure for the
highest cloudbase in the area?

 

There are more issues to be worked through, such as requirements for
calibration on loggers, (something we have managed to live without so far)
and penalties for indiscretions. The consequences of going over height need
to be sufficient to discourage, but not to cause irreparable damage in the
competition for that pilot.

 

Some questions to answer, but I favour this option wholeheartedly.

 

BT

 

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From: Pam Kurstjens <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Discussion of issues relating to
<mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>  Soaring in Australia.' 

Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 11:18 AM

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

 

Harry

Very nicely put. 

The really dangerous thing to do is to limit start height to a level at or
below cloudbase that can result in EVERYONE being at the top of the same
thermal waiting to start. In some circumstances they wait a long time after
the start has opened. This can happen even when no height limit has been
imposed, but a height limit will make it more likely.

Without a height limit, it is perceived that pilots gain an unfair advantage
by climbing several thousand feet higher than those who launch at the back
of the grid. This situation is made much worse when the announcement that
the start line will open in 15 minutes is made while the last two gliders in
the class are still ON TOW, as happened at Temora this year, and added
weight to the discussion at the pilots meeting.

>> 

I would invite comments on the following:

The sensible compromise would be to have a maximum start height which is
above cloudbase, and therefore any gaggling in a very limited space (top of
a single thermal) is avoided. This would mean people can climb, let's say,
2000 feet above cloudbase, a compromise between getting everyone out of
everyone's way, and not allowing them to go up several thousand feet if they
have an extra hour in which to do so.

I'm suggesting 2000, rather than 500 ft above cloudbase, because when
transitioning into thermal wave, the first few hundred feet involve being
close to the wisps, and we wouldn't want everyone held in that layer. Also,
the prediction of cloudbase within 500ft is difficult, and cloudbase may
well rise 500 ft during the launch.

Pam Kurstjens

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave
Shorter
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 10:46 AM
To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] FW: Starting Procedure

 

 

-Original Message-
From: harry medlicott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 9:54 AM
To: Dave Shorter
Subject: 

 

Dave,

 

For reasons I am unable to sort out in the short term, am able to receive
aus-soaring postings but not send them.

 

Was hoping you could submit the following on my behalf,

 

Thanks,

 

Harry

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

The opinions by very experienced pilots as to the risks associated with the
proposal to introduce competition starting 

requirements involving a defined maximum height and speed coupled with
severe penalties for infringements must surely result in this proposal being
reconsidered.

 

Despite this, the reasons behind this proposal deserve consideration. These
appears to be to provide all competitors a fair start, irrespective of
launching 

Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

[Pam Kurstjens]

Bob has started building the PIK 27.
http://www.windcraft.fi/pik27/welcome.htm It is purpose designed as a tug
and nothing else.

I learned to glide at the Long Mynd in 1977, where the retrieve winch was
already in use, and it worked extremely well, and saved using a tractor on a
rough hilltop to drag cables back through the heather.

I have also done about 50 bungee launches at the Mynd. The club is on top of
a long ridge into wind. That is a great way to launch!

Pam

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 9:43 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring
in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

 

Nig and others

I really think auto tow in its various forms is worth a re look.  I have
done a little in the past (even on the base at RAAF Williamtown with landing
lights and all!!!) and it was good - gentle off the ground and then a nice
climb. Auto tow is less dependent on a good driver than winching.  Winching
has come a long way with rope and now the new dyneema rope (I have 1600m in
a container from Germany).  I used to do usually 60 to 70 winches a week in
courses with the old 3.15mm wire usually little in the way of problems.  Our
biggest problems was instructors not laying off enough in strong cross winds
and releasing under tension and loops in wire (although Tost chute stopped
that totally).

I have heard Bob Ward may be building a PIK27 tow plane (Rotax 914 steel
fuse and glass wings).  Has anybody heard of progress?  I do know Dafydd
Llwellyn has something similar (same construction) and he made the jig
before he made the first frame. Will have to check on progress.  

A friend of mine built Greg's auto tow thing and it is going to a great home
- I am looking forward to trying it out.

Ian McPhee
0428847642   

2008/6/10 Nigel Andrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

Hi Greg, others.

No doubt in my mind that eventually this system coupled to a dual winch AT
the glider end is the way to go, one man operation, safer - cheap.

30 launches per hour possible.

Aerotow clubs like ourselves could easily say to members I'll give you
$30.00 towards putting petrol in your car if we go winch - based on a $40.00
tow to 2,000ft or a $10.00 winch to 2,000 which we can achieve at Warwick.
Just makes sense.

Nigel



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, 10 June 2008 12:35 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info

I had quite a few inquiries about the auto-tow system
(it's sold) so I thought I'd put the info for the
yahoo pulley launching group here. There is some good
info on pulley launching for anyone considering this.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pulleylaunch/

If you'd like to talk to someone local who's using it
Boonah club in Qld have built and used an auto-tow.

Cheers,

Greg.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

[Pam Kurstjens]

Having flown in the Dutch Nationals at Terlet, they set up two winches on
separate runways and launch concurrently. The don't launch two at a time off
the same winch. The launch rate is pretty impressive but I don't know the
figures.

Pam

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rolf a.
buelter
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:02 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

 

I have seen a concurrent launch of 2 gliders in Terlet.
 
Rgds - Rolf





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

hi Dave,

it's a six drum winch. I launched on the older design (six drums) in Terlet
- Holland. The gliders are towed one after the other - NEVER at the same
time. I launched in a Grunau Baby in front of an ASH25. Later that day I
launched in a DG500. And that was before dyneema rope.

During club competitons in germany we managed to get 20 gliders airborne in
less than 40 minutes on two dual winches. It was never a hassle - even on
hot days (34+) During the week we paid our social members with cartons of
beer to get us airborne. Last glider launched with wingtip on a chair. Costs
have gone up now but it was $2.50 a launch - now it's $5.00 with dyneema.
Launch heights were 800m - K8, 750m - K13, 600m - ASW19 / DG500. 1300m strip
lenght right next to the town. They didn't break the 1000m record yet - 950m
in a K8. X-wind was never a problem because of the rope chutes

Is Warwick considering winch launch?

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

[Pam Kurstjens]

On a multidrum winch, you can commence the next launch a soon as the
previous cable has fallen to the ground and been reeled in so that it is not
fouling the next cable. At Eindhoven, we had a 4 cable winch. We could
launch 4 gliders every 15 minutes. That is launch 4, then haul the cables
back to the launch point, and launch the next 4, thus 16 launches an hour. 

Note that retrieve winch systems use a single cable, and as soon as it
departs the gliders it starts to be reeled back to the launch point while
still airborne and falling under its parachute. It would be interested to
compare the launch rate per hour.

 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joshua
Phillips
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:47 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

 

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/6/5/0219561.jpg <
Heres one of a 5 glider aero tow.

 

Is it possible to launch multiple gliders on a multi drum winch eg. every 30
seconds the next drum starts pulling?

On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Pam Kurstjens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Having flown in the Dutch Nationals at Terlet, they set up two winches on
separate runways and launch concurrently. The don't launch two at a time off
the same winch. The launch rate is pretty impressive but I don't know the
figures.

Pam

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rolf a.
buelter
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:02 PM 


To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

 

I have seen a concurrent launch of 2 gliders in Terlet.
 
Rgds - Rolf




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

hi Dave,

it's a six drum winch. I launched on the older design (six drums) in Terlet
- Holland. The gliders are towed one after the other - NEVER at the same
time. I launched in a Grunau Baby in front of an ASH25. Later that day I
launched in a DG500. And that was before dyneema rope.

During club competitons in germany we managed to get 20 gliders airborne in
less than 40 minutes on two dual winches. It was never a hassle - even on
hot days (34+) During the week we paid our social members with cartons of
beer to get us airborne. Last glider launched with wingtip on a chair. Costs
have gone up now but it was $2.50 a launch - now it's $5.00 with dyneema.
Launch heights were 800m - K8, 750m - K13, 600m - ASW19 / DG500. 1300m strip
lenght right next to the town. They didn't break the 1000m record yet - 950m
in a K8. X-wind was never a problem because of the rope chutes

Is Warwick considering winch launch?

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

[Pam Kurstjens]

Yikes!

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rolf a.
buelter
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:06 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

 

Pam, I've flown the One Day Easter comp there, admittedly 30 years ago and
have indeed seen 2 gliders at the same time on one winch, as an exhibition
only.
 
Rgds - Rolf





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:28:26 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

Having flown in the Dutch Nationals at Terlet, they set up two winches on
separate runways and launch concurrently. The don't launch two at a time off
the same winch. The launch rate is pretty impressive but I don't know the
figures.

Pam

 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rolf a.
buelter
Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 12:02 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

 

I have seen a concurrent launch of 2 gliders in Terlet.
 
Rgds - Rolf




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Auto-tow launch info - the future!

hi Dave,

it's a six drum winch. I launched on the older design (six drums) in Terlet
- Holland. The gliders are towed one after the other - NEVER at the same
time. I launched in a Grunau Baby in front of an ASH25. Later that day I
launched in a DG500. And that was before dyneema rope.

During club competitons in germany we managed to get 20 gliders airborne in
less than 40 minutes on two dual winches. It was never a hassle - even on
hot days (34+) During the week we paid our social members with cartons of
beer to get us airborne. Last glider launched with wingtip on a chair. Costs
have gone up now but it was $2.50 a launch - now it's $5.00 with dyneema.
Launch heights were 800m - K8, 750m - K13, 600m - ASW19 / DG500. 1300m strip
lenght right next to the town. They didn't break the 1000m record yet - 950m
in a K8. X-wind was never a problem because of the rope chutes

Is Warwick considering winch launch?

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!!

[Pam Kurstjens]

Ian

Thanks for the reminder. This subject crops up from time to time, but still
people like to fly with the window open. I stopped doing it the first time I
read about this tragic story.

Pam Kurstjens

 

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Sent: Monday, 7 July 2008 8:09 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!!

 

For 20 years now I always feel uncomfortable towing behind a Pawnee with the
window open (usually comps with pilot unknown to me) so I go into high tow
just incase. Ian Williams in NZ sent me an email recently and I was reminded
many years earlier a young Jim Neald was flying Pawnee ZK-CIN in Durry area
and was killed by the window coming through and hitting him on side of head.
I seem to remember it says somewhere in Pawnee Flight manual you are not to
fly with window open and an old ag pilot said to me to "unclip and remove
window if you want window open".  I gather many NZ tugs added an extra stop
and a 3rd hinge to help prevent such a fatal accident again. 

Thus this is just a reminder to all  to really look at the hinges each DI
and consider fitting the 3rd hinge on the window  and not to tow with the
window in the down position  but remove it instead if you really want the
extra air

Ian McPhee 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!!

[Pam Kurstjens]

It is SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITED to fly a Pawnee with the window open,
according to the flight manual.

That should make it quite clear. 

Bashing your head on the window/door during a descent through lively
thermals is another matter altogether!

Pam Kurstjens

 

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Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2008 5:37 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a
good idea!!

 

BCF is not illegal as far as CASA is concerned but the environmental guys
may have issues with it being used.
Funny that this topic came up just today. i may have an update soon.
 
Cheers
Mark



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Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 20:22:57 +1000
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fwd: Pawnee window open during towing is not a good
idea!!

I got this direct from a guy in NZ re the fatal accident involving the
window - The writer is clear that the message should be passed on to all.
The extra drag (and costs more) and the strain on fabric are minor really.

While on tugs I was surprised to hear Keepit Callair had no fire
extinguisher (when the ASH25 had a fire recently) and I was surprised to
hear CASA rules may have changed in that it is no longer a requirement to
carry one.  I realise BCF can only be used in a life threatening situation
so it looks as if the day I ran out and put out the fire in Adelaide Soaring
Club's Pawnee with the Keepit Pawnee BCF, it is now illegal to do so!!!  The
local rescue chopper uses a red halogen type I notice.  I guess somebody out
there is up to date on the topic.

Ian McPhee



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From: Gary O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2008/7/8
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pawnee window open during towing is not a good idea!!
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I was at the airfield the day Jim was killed and I helped remove the
wreckage
There was an airstream blown trail of blood along the fuselage .
The geometry of the hinge arrangement means the door will hit the tug pilot
in
the head with a lot of wind driven force.

Pass this message on and absolutely refuse to launch unless the tug pilot
complies with the flight manual. I do not want to lose any more fellow
pilots
by me not passing on what I saw that day.

Gary O'Neill
New Zealand



 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Winch Design

[Pam Kurstjens]

Take a look at www.skylaunchuk.com

They re-engineer old winches, and may be able to offer advice or even supply
the necessary parts, even though they are in the UK. We visited their
factory recently, and saw their winches in action at a number of sites. The
retrieve winch system is super efficient, and you really only need a single
drum winch. They supply their Skylaunch winches with LPG engines, and get a
smoother operation than with diesel.

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colin
Campbell
Sent: Wednesday, 22 October 2008 7:07 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Winch Design

 

Would anyone out there like to make informed comment upon winch design.

We are in the early stages of upgrading our 25 year old winch, This winch
has performend well and will be our base line for any new design. It suffers
from having 40 and 50 year old components which makes it difficult to source
spares. We average about 1100 launches per year. 

I have suggested a number of topics for consideration.

   Rope or wire 

Single or double drum

Diesel or petrol

Trailer or truck mounted

Wide or narrow drum

Use of independant motor or prime mover with PTO

Source of PTO

Retreive winch or self laying or tow out vehicles?

Braking of drum(s) during tow out.

Guillotine

Use of commercial components for cable guide system.

Budget

Regards

Colin C

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Grand Prix

[Pam Kurstjens]

The first Grand Prix style events were held at a mountain site in the French
Pyrenees, 25 years ago. They launched the gliders in pairs, two aerotows
together to a release point about 7,000 ft, and the two then raced downhill
round three balloons on cables, on the mountainsides.

Gerrit flew in the first event. There were 20 pilots, 4 LS6s,  no water
ballast. The trick was to get around the first balloon ahead. If you were
behind, you could be confronted with the glider very close in front, the
wire to the balloon, and the trees on the mountainside. The second glider
couldn't pass.

Very scary stuff. TV, film crews, spectators. The event ran for about three
years until they ran out of pilots crazy enough to enter.

Yikes!

Pam

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry
Neumann
Sent: Tuesday, 9 December 2008 8:38 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Grand Prix

 

DMcD wrote:
  -



 

So what chance has gliding? Unless you make it something like the Red Bull
Air Races and do all your comps below 300' and have each race over in under
2 minutes. I'd pay to see that  :-)

 

DMcD

It was a long time ago, but I have seen a hang gliding event on TV where
there was a set course down a mountain which competitors had to negotiate
(one at a time) in the shortest possible time - something like a car hill
climb but in reverse.Put it perhaps a better way - it was something
similar to a downhill slalom ski event.  Certain markers needed to rounded
in order, and all the while the clock was running.The camera coverage
was excellent because of the predictable nature of the course, and it was
dressed up as a real contest in what we now recognise as the Red Bull style.


I found it fascinating viewing.  I couldn't quite see it ever being
replicated in our branch of the discipline unfortunately.

It was also the only event of its kind that I have ever seen on TV, so
perhaps it failed to capture a widely responsive audience.   However I don't
watch the box all that much.

Regards,
Terry

 


































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Re: [Aus-soaring] Junior Nationals

[Pam Kurstjens]

Finland? I hope they can swim! 

Congratulations on winning the Championship, Nathan. Well done.

Congratulations Nathan and Andrew on your selection.

 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mitchell
Preston
Sent: Monday, 15 December 2008 5:04 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Junior Nationals

 

Kudos to you and the comps team for running a successful JG 08, Heath
(precipitation not withstanding). 

 

On 14/12/2008, at 9:33 PM, Heath L'Estrange wrote:





Joeyglide ended yesterday. The last 2 days of the comp were rained out. This
tends to happen where ever we hold a comp (any farmers want to hire us?). 

 

Nathan Johnson from the Wagga Gliding Club was awarded the junior champion
trophy - he won quite convincingly and along with Andrew Maddocks will be
representing Australian in Finland in June 09. Good luck to the both of
them. 

 

Nathan was awarded a Flarm-Nav kindly donated by Mark Fisher from Swift
Avionics   - the new Flarm agent in Oz.
Other fantastic prizes were awarded thanks to Internode
 , OAMPS  , Model
Flight   and Condor
 . 

 

The final night dinner last night was fancy dress - the outfits had to be
bought from the local vinnies/life line shops. It turned out to be a hoot
with some guys turning up in dresses!? 

 

We had spot tracking on our gliders for the last 2 days that were flown -
the system worked really well, allowing all of us to keep tabs on where the
guys were. One guy (i might even dob him in as a kiwi) outlanded, not having
much of an idea of where he was. We were able to see his exact location and
get directions using google maps, dispatch a crew and have them arrive at
his paddock before he could figure out where he was (2 hours after he
outlanded). 

 

We coached 4 juniors for the week - giving them real hands on experience
with XC and competition flying. Thanks goes to Roger Druce for the use of
his Duo Discus and Steve Trone for flying it. We place a lot of emphasis on
the coaching as many of the coachees get hooked and come back the following
year to compete.

 

The guys at GCV provided us with fantastic service and facilities - I am a
huge fan of the site and the people.

 

Anyway - results and blog info is on the website
http://www.joeyglide.com.au, photos will be added to the gallery over the
next week or so.

 

Heath L'Estrange

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Bashing

[Pam Kurstjens]

And the weather forecast was guess work, the navigation was a map and
compass, turning point photography was a real skill, final glide happened
when you were almost looking down at the airfield...wistful sigh...

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Alan Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2008 2:16 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Bashing

 

Some just don't know what gliding was in those days.  Blaniks were often the
best glider around.  My log book shows several 500 k attempts at Birchip in
1970/71.  On Dec 30, managed 470k on Jan 02, and finally 557 km Birchip,
Stawell, Hattah and back [as nominated] and it only took 8 hours.  Among
reasons, I doubted my ability to push the Gruanu IV past the 300k diamond
goal in the previous summer. 

 

Ah... Memories.

 

Alan Wilson

 

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Stuart &
Kerri Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2008 12:05 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Bashing

 

 

Terry wrote

 

For many years the Blanik gave Australian clubs (and probably some of those
elsewhere in the world) an excellent two seater training aircraft which was
strong, reliable, forgiving, and had the ability to bite when requested -
i.e. spin when mistreated,

 

..for those who have moved on to DG1000 etc may need reminding
that there are still clubs out there relying on Blaniks, we sold our last
one because those who wanted to fly her could not maintain her and those who
could maintain her did not want to fly her. I am happy to report that she is
now with a club who has members who love to do both - the legend lives on.  

 

Merry Christmas to all.   

 

SDF

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Terry
Neumann
Sent: Wednesday, 24 December 2008 9:21 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Blanik Bashing

 

simon holding wrote: 

 
Maybe we should set up an online season contest for Blaniks. Then we'd
see some proper flying. Any one can do a beatup in a modern glider -
takes real guts to try it in a Blanik.  Back in the days when real men
flew gliders, Bert Persson flew 500km in a Blanik in the 70's out of
Alice.
  

Brian Underwood and Don Nottle flew the first 2 seater 500 km triangle in
Australia from the Balaklava field in the Blanik GXM.They had a few
attempts before they finally succeeded, but succeed they did.

I have to say (again) that I really am surprised how poisoned some minds are
against the Blanik. This can't be healthy - not in the season of goodwill!  

For many years the Blanik gave Australian clubs (and probably some of those
elsewhere in the world) an excellent two seater training aircraft which was
strong, reliable, forgiving, and had the ability to bite when requested -
i.e. spin when mistreated, without the need for something special to be done
prior to takeoff.  Frankly, despite somewhat exaggerated suggestions to the
contrary, they looked good as well.  At a time when the fastest and meanest
looking device around was a Boomerang (in some respects they still hold
their own) the Blanik was a sleek, sophisticated (if over engineered)
aircraft which was light years ahead of anything we had at the time.  Oh
yes, they were relatively inexpensive too.

Well before someone discovered that they had a nominal service life, one
with twice that number of hours was being thrown around the sky over
Waikerie in January 1974 by one of the Polish team members in a very
memorable aerobatics display at the World Gliding comps.  Surely this proves
something.  

For mine, the Blanik was still one of the nicest handling aircraft of the
relatively small number of types I have tried over 40 plus years.  Some of
them I did not care for at all.  (We won't go there now - not at Christmas).

OK,  Blaniks were not at all nice to work on.  Point taken.  Agreed!
Accepted!  People get upset at the mention of their name.  (OK won't I say
the word again)!
   
However I'm quite comfortable for them to be lumped in the same category as
the EH Holden.  Both were classics.  I had a lot of fun in an EH as well (We
won't go there either ;-) ).

Happy Christmas to all, safe and adventurous flying for 2009, and for those
who desperately need it, a Blanik free new year.   

Regards,
Terry






 
Imagine what is going to be said about the ASG 29 on this forum in
another 50 years? Will it be as great as the Blanik?
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[Aus-soaring] EPIRBs

[Pam Kurstjens]

Does anyone know of a supplier of the GME MT410G that has them in stock?

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[Aus-soaring] KTI PLB not yet approved

[Pam Kurstjens]

I had this reply from KTI.

Looks like the GME410G is the one to buy f you can't wait.

Pam

 

From: kti [mailto:i...@kti.com.au] 
Sent: Monday, 9 February 2009 2:15 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com
Subject: Re: ** Where to Buy Mini-Sat 406Mhz PLB EPIRB (with internal GPS)
**

 

Dear Pam,
These products are currently in the COSPAS-SARSAT approval process which
must be completed before they can be sold.  We had planned to release these
products well before this time however the approval process has become very
complicated with COSPAS-SARSAT changing the performance requirements twice
since compliance testing began.  They require that any device not already
approved meet these new specifications, to which our designs were not
specifically tailored and have never been tested.  Our current outlook is
for stock release around April 2009.  

Once approved we will be distributing this product through our existing
network of outdoor stores and at that time we may be able to advise which
stores in your area may be carrying stock.  We will add your details to our
list of those to contact when the product becomes available. 

We will be releasing the Mini-Sat at a RRP of $499 and the Mini-Sat-G at the
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The Mini-Sat and Mini-Sat-G products are truly pocket size, measuring just
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The Mini-Sat and Mini-Sat-G products are equipped with a high intensity
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life vest pocket or lying flat on the ground.

The Mini-Sat-G is equipped with the latest technology GPS engine enabling
super-fast position acquisition and the ability to report position through
geostationary satellites.  The helical gps aerial provides maximum signal
sensitivity and is highly resistant to shadowing, masking and alignment
problems.

The Mini-Sat and Mini-Sat-G products are powered by long life lithium
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The Mini-Sat and Mini-Sat-G PLBs are self-buoyant, waterproof and resistant
to immersion to more than 3 metres. Our product warranty against faulty
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purchase.

The Mini-Sat and Mini-Sat-G PLBs are in the process of certification to the
applicable requirements of COSPAS-SARSAT C/S T.001, AS/NZS4280 and CAR252A.

Regards,
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textarea:  Does ths Mini-sat 406 PLB with GPS have COSPAS SARSAT approval?
Different pages of your website seem to give conflicting information.

 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] [ Making retrieves easier??]

[Pam Kurstjens]

I can certify that a Nokia 6120 Next G phone survived a fall of 250 ft from
the window of a light aircraft onto a blacksoil paddock when being used as a
camera.
Finding the so and so thing on the ground was another matter...

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD
Sent: Monday, 9 March 2009 11:23 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] [ Making retrieves easier??]

Down where we are, the NextG network is extremely patchy and there is
a very good chance that if you outland, you will have no mobile
service. This is good for the retrieve crews (do such things exist
these days?) because they can sit in a bar with good coverage waiting
for a call instead of driving down the road.

Regrettably, the good old strong CDMA phones have been replaced by
pansy NextG ones which don't like being dropped. Because the standard
technique with the CDMA phones in places where there was no reception,
was to key in a message, press send, and chuck it up in the air as
high as you could. The message would normally get out OK.

We have found the in-car GPS systems work quite well for the pickup if
you walk around the paddock, find the access road and fwd this via
"aerophone" to the retrieve crew in the bar.

What does not work at all well is the trip back to the club since most
of these GPS systems have rubbish maps of the backroads. We've had
retrieve cars turn up in a very short time using Lat and Long, and
then get horribly lost for most of the night trying to get back to the
pub... sorry, club with the trailer.

D
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[Aus-soaring] Colibri mount

[Pam Kurstjens]

We need a Colibri mount to replace a broken one in a club glider. Is there
someone who has one to spare/for sale?

Pam Kurstjens

Darling Downs Soaring Club

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[Aus-soaring] Nimbus 4T for sale

[Pam Kurstjens]

We have to sell one of our Nimbus 4T as we have a new glider on order. 

It is work number 6 from 1991, has 2750 hours and 725 launches.

Wings, control surfaces and tail refinished this year in 2-pack paint PU.
New Streifeneder seals. Reliable engine.

Instruments: Altair Pro and Vega. Radio Dittel FSG71M.

$165,000. 

The glider will be available for viewing at Temora NSW in late April, after
that at Darling Downs Soaring Club, QLD.

Pam Kurstjens 04 2989 8872 p...@kurstjens.com

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Last Chance for Raffle tickets to win Airbus or 737 Sim flight!

[Pam Kurstjens]

Sorry, but the only Gliding prize I know of where you get your airfare paid
is the Baron Hilton Cup!

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Reg Moore
Sent: Wednesday, 13 May 2009 7:36 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Last Chance for Raffle tickets to win Airbus or
737 Sim flight!

 

Dose the prize include the airfare from interstate to Brisbane?

 

Reg Moore not Rob

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Aussie
Gliding Team
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 7:06 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Last Chance for Raffle tickets to win Airbus or 737
Sim flight!

 

Hi all,

the Darling Downs Soaring Club raffle to raise funds for the Club Class
Worlds team to attend the pre-Worlds and Worlds comps in Slovakia ends this
Saturday. We've sold around 700 tickets so far, and the raffle is drawn this
Saturday 16th May.

So if you're still interested, please email me asap to reserve your tickets.
Tickets are $10 each and the prizes are as follows:

1st Prize: 1 hour fully instructed session in an Airbus A320 simulator at
Alteon's Brisbane training facility. You can bring up to 2 companions.

2nd Prize: The equivalent in a Boeing 737 simulator.

There are also runner-up prizes of TIF flights at DDSC - great gifts for
that person you want to get into gliding!

Payment can be made by Paypal to aussieglidingt...@gmail.com, or you can
send funds directly to my account - but please follow up with an email so I
can tell whose money is whose.

The bank details are as follows:


Bank Account number

120285481


BSB

184-446


Account name

ALLAN JOHN BARNES 


The account is with Macquarie Bank.

Thanks a lot for your support - it really is appreciated.
Mike Codling & Allan Barnes.

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[Aus-soaring] Queensland State Championships

[Pam Kurstjens]

Entries are coming in for the Queensland State Championships to be hosted by
the Darling Downs Soaring Club at Jondaryan, 26th September to 3rd October
2009.

We have 23 confirmed entries to date, and the list of entrants will be
updated shortly.

For your entry form:

http://www.ddsc.org.au/statecomps/default.php

click on 'pilot information' and select '1st Pilot' , '2nd Pilot' from the
top line.

Or register your interest at stateco...@ddsc.org.au

 

 

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[Aus-soaring] Queensland Results are up

[Pam Kurstjens]

Results for the Queensland State Championships are on the website.

http://www.ddsc.org.au/statecomps/results.php

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Free Distance??

[Pam Kurstjens]

Hi David

First of all, the quote you have given is from the 2007 version of the
Sporting Code, which has been superseded by the 1/10/2009 version with some
significant changes to the rules. You can no longer use cameras.

 

Understanding what is meant in this rule is perhaps made a little clearer by
the new wording below. However, you must visualise the task as follows: 

A.  from your start point, to a turning point out west of home, then
another TP to the east of home, then back to the west, where your third TP
must be at least 10km from your first TP. I've seen a 1000km badge flight
fail because the pilot used the same waypoint for the first and third TP,
instead of 2 waypoints 10 km apart.

B.  B. "A double out and return" from your start point, to a TP 250 km
to the north, back to home, where you can use the start point as your second
TP) and back to the north another 250 km, but this third TP must be 10km
from your first TP, and then back to your start point which is now your
finish point.

 

For a badge flight, these TPs must be declared before the flight.

 

Got it?

Pam Kurstjens

 

1.4.5 Distance performance for badges and records

DISTANCE USING UP TO THREE TURN POINTS A COURSE with distance measured

from the RELEASE POINT or a declared START POINT to any type of FINISH
POINT, via at

least one and not more than three declared TURN POINTS. TURN POINTS may
include the

START POINT and/or FINISH POINT if desired. The TURN POINTS must be at least
10 kilometres

apart, and each may be claimed only once in the sequence attained.

 

>> 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of David and
Justine Olsen
Sent: Tuesday, 6 October 2009 7:17 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Free Distance??

 

I am a little confused by the free distance definition below-

 

2. A "Free Distance Flight" from the Sporting Code is "A flight measured for

   distance from a departure point via not more than three previously
declared

turn points, to a landing place not necessarily specified before take-off.

The TP's must be at least 10km apart, and they may be claimed once, in any

sequence, or not at all".  You need a barograph, and photo's.

 

 

Am I correct in saying-  I can fly anywhere I like, as long as I have
declared three turn-points which I don't even need to use, The turn points
can be any distance greater than 10k apart meaning that if I flew for
instance a triangle around them, the total distance would be just over 30k,
so I obviously would need to make the distance up by flying to other
undeclared turn-points. I would need to photograph these turn-points and
name them in the claim, or use an appropriate approved datalogger. Is this
correct?

 

David

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Free Distance??

[Pam Kurstjens]

Just remember that the new rule allowing GPS position recorders is only for
Silver and Gold badges.
They are much better position recorders than a camera ever was, but there is
a perceived risk of data insecurity and cheating, and that is why it takes a
while to get the necessary approval and procedure into place.
There are now over 40 fully IGC-approved Flight Recorders on the market, so
plenty of manufacturers have gone through the expensive approval process.
Inevitably they have to recover the approval costs in the price of the
units. But if somebody wants to claim a World Record, or win the World
Championships, it is important for our Sport that there can be no question
as to the integrity of the data.
Pam


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of DMcD
Sent: Wednesday, 7 October 2009 9:04 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Free Distance??

HA

There's an interesting and very technical article in a recent Cross
Country magazine by an international comps judge on GPS altitude
errors. From memory the error can be as much as +/- 175 metres, a bit
too much to be used for airspace violations or record claims.

I've sat in a boat where the GPS altitude was 165' ASL which at the
time seemed unlikely.

Additionally, most of the manufacturers like Flytec, Brauniger and so
on who make low cost GPS, logger, vario, ASI, barograph units have
currently not got igc certification because they claim it is too
expensive.

So we have a situation where to keep a device low-cost, it is not
certified but they do function as very good position recorders.

DMcD
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[Aus-soaring] container transport to Europe

[Pam Kurstjens]

I may be sending a glider to Europe in a few months time, in a container
without a trailer. Is there someone who would like to share container space?

Contact me off line

p...@kurstjens.com

04 2989 8872

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Electric tugs (was "applying skills to another activity")

[Pam Kurstjens]

All you need to know:

http://www.skylaunchuk.com/

Their winch with retrieve cable can easily launch 30 gliders an hour from a
single drum

 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of David and
Justine Olsen
Sent: Saturday, 31 October 2009 6:52 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Electric tugs (was "applying skills to another
activity")

 

much^4

 

 

 

On 31 Oct 2009, at 06:39, emilis prelgauskas wrote:

 

 

On 30/10/2009, at 10:31 PM, Todd Sandercock wrote:

 

Does anyone have any figures on the fuel consumption of a winch??

 

 

1 litre / launch incl. all return drive and associated running around

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider pilot licence

[Pam Kurstjens]

I feel I should enter this debate, as I have 'been there' and have some
experience which may be useful.
If you go on a flying holiday in the US, the F.A.R.s (Federal Air Regs)
state that a pilot validation may be issued ONCE.
You need to start the application process about three months before you go.
So if you go there and get a PPL (based on validation of your overseas
licence) for single engine aeroplanes, but not gliders, and go next year
wanting a PPL for gliders, technically they can refuse to issue it. They've
issued one, once, and that is your lot.
So, it is best to get all your qualifications put onto the licence
validation the first time you go to the US even if you are not going to use
them all.
This happened to us 4 years ago, when we had our US PPL issued based on  a
validation of the Australian PPL, but could not get the gliding added to it
because GFA repeatedly failed to respond to emails from the FAA over the
months that led up to our visit, and even after we had arrived in the US and
were trying to resolve the problem. The FAA had no problem issuing gliding
privileges based on the GFA certificate, at least not then, but the GFA
wouldn't communicate with them. I was in direct contact with the individual
in the FAA who was handling our application, and I also checked with GFA
what email address they should be using, but was told GFA had no interest in
replying to them anyway so our efforts never had a chance.
There, I've had my gripe.
Anyway, 2 years ago we had our FAA PPLs rescinded, and then re-issued using
our Australian PPL (A) and European licences for Gliders, all went like
clockwork. I suspect the FAA man bent the rules a bit, but he was trying to
find a solution and was very helpful.
It is a crying shame that we can't have a licence issued here that is
recognised elsewhere in the world, and an even greater crime when the
issuing body of our 'gliding certificate' can't even support that.
I wonder what newcomers to our sport think in this day and age about such
parochialism. It will be interesting to see if the GPL makes any difference.
At least it would be nice to know if GFA is willing to stand behind it, once
issued.
>>
As for our CASA issuing validations, a visitor from Holland recently had an
ASIC card and a validation of his CPL issued, all took a couple of months,
and when I helped him by contacting CASA about something, I can only say
they were extremely helpful, and he had a case officer who was fully up on
the facts of his application.
>>
Pam Kurstjens




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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher
Mc Donnell
Sent: Friday, 13 November 2009 10:36 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider pilot licence

Mark said:

"it was dead easy to get my Aussie PPL recognized by the USA FAA and 
have a USA PPL issued at no cost and no flight test based on my Aussie 
qualifications."

Was it really that easy?

Compare with CASA.

http://casa.gov.au/scripts/nc.dll?WCMS:STANDARD::pc=PC_90024#validation


Chris


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From: "Mike Borgelt" 
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 

Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider pilot licence


> At 07:53 PM 10/11/2009, you wrote:
>>Could not agree more with below, it's a increasingly international world,
>>many pilots want to experience flying overseas, it was dead easy to get my
>>Aussie PPL recognized by the USA FAA and have a USA PPL issued at no cost
>>and no flight test based on my Aussie qualifications. When I tried the 
>>same
>>with my glider ratings, forget it they said as they don't recognize them.
>>Why is there such resistance by the GFA to having an internationally
>>recognized glider licence (ICAO) as many other countries do including the
>>USA? My preference would be to have CASA administer Glider licences the 
>>same
>>as occurs in the USA and many other countries and as far as I can see with
>>no more hassle or cost then through the GFA system, probably less in fact.
>>Might even raise the standard of flying and also make some sense to
>>potential glider pilots who at the moment have trouble understanding how 
>>it
>>all is supposed to work.
>>
>>Regards
>>
>>Mark
>
> Mark,
>
> The resistance by the GFA is based on mindless adherence to the historical

> order of things.
>
> If we had a CASA licence good for use overseas it would have to be good 
> for use in Australia. Imagine a CASA PPL(G) stamped NOT FOR USE IN 
> AUSTRALIA. I'm sure that would impress the hell out of another ICAO 
> contracting state who would quite reasonably say &qu

Re: [Aus-soaring] Altitude badge claims

[Pam Kurstjens]

A tight turn after release from tow is also a good way for the data analyst
to determine when the glider released and therefore the release altitude.
Pam


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Borgelt
Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2009 4:16 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Altitude badge claims



As it looks to be a good season with perhaps lots of Gold height 
claims please remember that it is for a gain of height. 
Identification of the low point after release is just as important as 
the high point.

REMEMBER to NOTCH the barograph (dive down a little after release, 
then pull up if you released in a thermal). The flight recorder 
pressure altitude IS a barograph and should be treated the same.

Also if you are using a longer sample interval either do a pilot 
event marker or make sure you stay below release altitude for long 
enough to get at least one point recorded.

I'd hate to be unable to certify your gain from the record.


Mike

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Altitude badge claims

[Pam Kurstjens]

Let's suppose you do your gold height during your 300km diamond goal flight.
The claim for the height gain is not restricted to the time between the
start and finish of the goal flight. They are two separate claims. The
'soaring performance' with regard to the height claim begins with the
release from tow. The 'soaring performance' with regard to the diamond goal
claim is from the start point to the finish point.
Pam

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Borgelt
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 10:48 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Altitude badge claims


.

At 06:20 PM 28/11/2009, you wrote:
>The latest sporting code has been updated to agree with the de facto
>standard-setters, SeeYou and OLC.
>
>"Chapter 4 Verification Requirements and Methods
>4.5.6 GPS recording procedures
>c. DURING FLIGHT As soon as possible after release, the pilot should make a
>steep turn so that the GPS data clearly indicate the release point and
>altitude."
>
>If you look in the definitions section as well, it says that the release
>point is the point on the ground but it also says that start time and
>altitude may be taken at the release point.
>
>  - Morgan


What an amazing bunch of self contradictory stuff the Sporting Code is.

The first and second sentences of 4.4.1 seem to contradict each other.

4.5.3 says altitudes are taken from pressure data except for the odd 
case of flight continuity.

Release point is defined as a point on the ground but start time and 
altitude may be taken there? The altitude there is zero feet AGL 
according to the definition.

"Soaring Performance" is from the START point to the FINISH Point.

Gain of height is difference between high point and previous lowest 
point DURING a soaring performance.

Does "during" actually include the start and finish points? If not 
then you cannot use the release point for an altitude claim and need 
a subsequent lowest point.

Note that the rules for mechanical and electronic barographs all 
require a notch on the P.A. trace or record and any evidence must be 
such that it is of the standard as if it was the ONLY evidence.

Beats me.

There's also a bit about if there's any doubt it be interpreted to 
the "maximum disadvantage" of the pilot. I would take this as 
disallowance. Even if not, the "low point" is going to be higher than 
it otherwise might be or you think it should be. Exacly where during 
this turn after release did the release take place? No problem if 
there's a good margin on your gold height claim but to do that at 
most places in Australia where gliders are flown would require a 
climb to in excess of 13000 feet if you do a normal 2000 foot launch 
and continue to climb in a thermal without a low point.

In the end it will be YOUR failed claim.

Mike
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Altitude badge claims

[Pam Kurstjens]

There are several points in the Sporting Code that relate to release
altitude.
It is important to note that the tug pilot can certify point of release, but
cannot certify the altitude of release (not even if he also happens to be an
OO). Relating this reported release position to the plan view of the flight
can help determine the release point and therefore altitude from the log
file data. That might be handy on a tow into wave where the tug lost height
for a while but was covering a long distance to the wave hot spot.
Annex C to the Sporting Code, the 'Guide to Pilots and Observers', says the
following:
" Failing to notch the trace is a common error at the start of the task
because of the added pilot
workload that may occur at this time, yet it must be remembered. The OO
should record the take off time, the tow
release time (if possible), the tow plane landing time, and the start time
(if applicable). Knowledge of tow duration
is very useful in estimating starting altitude on a barogram if a good notch
is not present."
Regards
Pam


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Stuart &
Kerri Ferguson
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 2:44 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Altitude badge claims

Most of the Altitude Claims I see either as Badge or Club Trophy claims are
done in Wave Conditions; in my experience analyzing wave conditions flights
is a little different to normal thermal conditions 

As most of your know the actual Mountain Wave is silky smooth, however the
rotor underneath the laminar layer is as turbulent as most of us are likely
to ever experience, it is not unusual to experience tug/glider combinations
descending at up to 5000fpm while on tow. This confuses our flight analysis
programs and it is not unusual to see False Low Points recorded
electronically.

It would appear that the sporting code is trying to provide several options,
maybe to many. Based on my experience I recommend pilots use the notching
method which involves putting a positive V shaped notch in your trace to
record your low point; there is no mistaking it if done correctly. My
technique has been once off tow and established in lift (in my case wave)
use speed and airbrake to make a sharp 300ft decent then quickly climb again
using the momentum and the lift to regain your altitude, then once the
momentum has been washed off your climb rate will be more modest - sounds
easy but does require a little practice - the most common error is simply
forgetting to do it. 

One other pre flight action is to make sure your logger is recording enough
samples, I recommend at least once every 4 seconds, from memory the code
allows up to 60 seconds intervals and this not be enough to record either
your steep turn or your notch. As I said earlier it takes a little practice
to get right - just another reason to do more flying :)

SDF 

-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Borgelt
Sent: Monday, 30 November 2009 11:48 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Altitude badge claims


.

At 06:20 PM 28/11/2009, you wrote:
>The latest sporting code has been updated to agree with the de facto
>standard-setters, SeeYou and OLC.
>
>"Chapter 4 Verification Requirements and Methods
>4.5.6 GPS recording procedures
>c. DURING FLIGHT As soon as possible after release, the pilot should make a
>steep turn so that the GPS data clearly indicate the release point and
>altitude."
>
>If you look in the definitions section as well, it says that the release
>point is the point on the ground but it also says that start time and
>altitude may be taken at the release point.
>
>  - Morgan


What an amazing bunch of self contradictory stuff the Sporting Code is.

The first and second sentences of 4.4.1 seem to contradict each other.

4.5.3 says altitudes are taken from pressure data except for the odd 
case of flight continuity.

Release point is defined as a point on the ground but start time and 
altitude may be taken there? The altitude there is zero feet AGL 
according to the definition.

"Soaring Performance" is from the START point to the FINISH Point.

Gain of height is difference between high point and previous lowest 
point DURING a soaring performance.

Does "during" actually include the start and finish points? If not 
then you cannot use the release point for an altitude claim and need 
a subsequent lowest point.

Note that the rules for mechanical and electronic barographs all 
require a notch on the P.A. trace or record and any evidence must be 
such that it is of the standard as if it was the ONLY evidence.

Beats me.

There's also a bit about if there's any doubt it be interpreted to 
the "maximum disadvantage" of the pilot. I would ta

Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL

[Pam Kurstjens]

Because Switzerland is not in the EU.

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff
Vincent
Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2009 11:41 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GLIDING INTERNATIONAL

 

Robert,

According to the WMO Bulletin the book price is CHF 25 which I assume is 25
Swiss francs - why not in Euros?

Regards,

Geoff V


At 08:35 AM 1/12/2009, you wrote:



John

Is the report on training/licencing in the magazine or is is an extra? I
can't find any info on it on the web site. Also, how much is the WMO soaring
forecasting book? In order to get a price it would appear I have to order it
- something I am not prepared to do without a price (including shipping) up
front.

Tks



-- 
Robert
Hart 
ha...@interweft.com.au
+61 (0)438 385
533  
  
http://www.hart.wattle.id.au  

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Silver Canopy Covers

[Pam Kurstjens]

Can you make them to fit a nimbus4? I have had no luck with the supplier in
the US (Cumulus).

Pam

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Al @ Go
Soaring
Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 3:38 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Silver Canopy Covers

 

A brief commercial plug come update.

 

Go Soaring is now distributing a few new products including Silver Canopy
Covers, very useful for those hot days on the grid.

 

Presently available for open up canopies (ASW, LS and ASG style) and will on
the new year be available for side opening canopies.

 

www.gosoaring.com.au/canopy
  covers.php

 

Merry Christmas and all the best for some fast, high and safe soaring in
2010

 

Cheers, Al

Go Soaring > Why should the birds have all the fun!

61 7 5499 4636 / 0405 497 595

www.gosoaring.com.au

 

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[Aus-soaring] FW: [igc-discuss] New Gliders International Record Claims - 18 December 2009

[Pam Kurstjens]

Here are the official notifications for Terry's and Klaus's record flights.
Both flight claims are dated 13th Dec, but I suspect Terry had landed before
Klaus even took off, in zulu time.
It would be nice to see Terry's log file. It wasn't posted on OLC.
Terry?
Pam Kurstjens

FAI has received the following Class D (Gliders) World record  claim:

Claim number : 15678
Sub-class :DO (Open Class Gliders)
Category: General
Type of record : Distance using up to 3 turn points
Course/location : Omarama (New Zealand)
Performance : 2499.2 km
Pilot : Terrence Delore (New Zealand)
Glider : Schleicher ASH 25 Mi
Date :13.12.2009
Current record : 2405.5 km (01.01.2007 - Klaus OHLMANN, Germany)

and

Claim number : 15679
Sub-class :DO (Open Class Gliders)
Category: General
Type of record : Distance using up to 3 turn points
Course/location : _to be advised
Performance : 2511.1 km
Pilot : Klaus OHLMANN (Germany)
Crew :  Christoph RITTER (Germany)
Glider : Schempp-Hirth Nimbus 4 DM
Date :13.12.2009
Current record : 2405.5 km (01.01.2007 - Klaus OHLMANN, Germany)

and

Claim number : 15680
Sub-class :DO (Open Class Gliders)
Category: General
Type of record : Speed over an out-and-return course of 1 500 km
Course/location : _to be advised
Performance : 198.31 km/h
Pilot : Klaus OHLMANN (Germany)
Crew :  Christoph RITTER (Germany)
Glider : Schempp-Hirth Nimbus 4 DM
Date :13.12.2009
Current record : 177.3 km/h (11.12.2003 - Klaus OHLMANN, Germany)

The details shown above are provisional. When all the evidence required
has been received and checked, the exact figures will be established and
the record ratified (if appropriate).






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[Aus-soaring] Grand Prix Chile.

[Pam Kurstjens]

Tomorrow  the 2nd of January 2010 will be the first  day of the 3rd FAI World 
Sailplane GP final in Santiago, Chile. 
The races will be transmitted live on the Internet  with commentary in English 
and Spanish allowing gliding friends the world over to join in the excitement 
of the races. The race coverage includes an interactive chat channel allowing 
friends and competitors to talk with each other and send questions directly to 
the pilots. 
Live coverage is linked to the Competition web site which will contain regular 
news and results.http://www.grandprixchile.org/
We would like your help in publicising this event for Gliding so please forward 
this message to your clubs, colleagues and gliding friends. 
The final will be on Saturday the 9th of January providing an excellent 
opportunity for clubs to organise a race evening with big screens or briefing 
room computers to watch the racing and join in the party. 
The race is scheduled to start each day at 3:00pm local time in Chile which is 
19.00 in Europe a perfect time for evening viewing.
Widening the audience for our wonderful sport is very important for it’s 
future, you can help by spreading this news amongst your friends and contacts.
Thanks for your help and please send us your feedback to help us improve the 
Gliding race presentation.
Regards.
Brian Spreckley




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Re: [Aus-soaring] Passenger Flying

[Pam Kurstjens]

Tipping is endemic in the States. If you don't tip in a restaurant, servers
can get upset (it may be their main income, especially in fast food places).
But tipping the tuggie? Hmm.

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher
Mc Donnell
Sent: Friday, 12 February 2010 11:50 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Passenger Flying

 

>From a couple of United States (of America) club websites.

Does this happen here?

Q. Should we Tip the Pilot and/or Crew?

A. Money is not the reason our pilots are here, however if you feel they did
a great job and would like to tip, then by all means please do. Tips are not
expected but they are very appreciated. It feels very good when someone
gives us a tip! 

The line crew (most are high school kids) and desk personnel are paid
minimum wage and any tip makes them feel on top of the world and they talk
about it for days!

They use a Schweizer SGS 2-32, but I cannot figure out why a second
passenger should cost more.

For anyone interested in taking a flight with Angelou, the cost is $109 for
one person or $198 for two, and gift certificates are available.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] [KSChat] New Products - flyWithCE

[Pam Kurstjens]

A Barograph is not only required for height claims, it is also necessary for
checking height loss on distance and duration claims. 

Silver or Gold Badge claims flown with Flywithce will be NOT be valid
without a Barograph.

If the pilot has an AusFlarm or MiniOz on board this counts as a Barograph
(in Australia) and can be calibrated in the normal way. Flarm is also an
Approved Position Recorder (in Australia) for Silver and Gold badges so it
does the whole job.

If you don't have Flarm, you will have to dig out the old barographs
gathering dust somewhere in your club to use with Flywithce for badge
claims.

Pam

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Al @ Go
Soaring
Sent: Monday, 1 March 2010 8:37 AM
To: 'Ross McLean'; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Cc: psc...@pacificsoaring.com.au; c...@kingaroysoaring.com.au
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] [KSChat] New Products - flyWithCE

 

Hi Ross,

Thanks your right, it should be pointed out that it does not have a pressure
sensor hence it is not suitable for height claims.

 

Its greatest value both technically and price point is to the early solo
pilot looking to record his or her flights and review them on SeeYou for
educational and entertainment purposes. The Logbook software is also good
for keeping track of your flights.

 

Cheers, Al

Go Soaring > Why should the birds have all the fun!

61 7 5499 4636 / 0405 497 595

www.gosoaring.com.au

 

From: Ross McLean [mailto:ross...@bigpond.net.au] 
Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2010 2:49 PM
To: 'Al @ Go Soaring'; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Cc: psc...@pacificsoaring.com.au; c...@kingaroysoaring.com.au
Subject: RE: [KSChat] New Products

 

Al, re the flyWithCE - FLIGHT LOGGER, might be worthwhile mentioning that a
Barograph recorder (digital or analogue) is also necessary. It effectively
only replaces the camera.

Cheers ROSS

_

Ross McLean 
mobile: +61 488 270 105

email: ross...@bigpond.net.au 

From: chat-boun...@kingaroysoaring.com.au
[mailto:chat-boun...@kingaroysoaring.com.au] On Behalf Of Al @ Go Soaring
Sent: Sunday, 28 February 2010 10:16 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Cc: psc...@pacificsoaring.com.au; c...@kingaroysoaring.com.au
Subject: [KSChat] New Products

 

Hi All,

We now have stock of the DVD > THE SUN SHIP GAME. 
Doug Jacobs says in his review - If you are like me, The Sun Ship Game
serves as the standard against which to measure all attempts to convey
soaring in motion pictures. Read Doug Jacobs Review >
http://www.gosoaring.com.au/Sun%20Ship.php

 

flyWithCE - FLIGHT LOGGER
The cheapest logger you can buy approved for Comp Flying, OLC and Silver &
Gold Badge flights (for distance and flight continuity only).

 

Ideal for early solo pilots - flights can be viewed in SeeYou for flight
analysis and training.

 

Very easy to use - read full details >
http://www.gosoaring.com.au/flywithce.php

 

GS Silver Canopy Covers
Side opening ones will be available by Easter. Also DUO DISCUS cover
available soon

 

Please don't hesitate to call if you have any queries.

 

Cheers, Al

Go Soaring > Why should the birds have all the fun!

61 7 5499 4636 / 0405 497 595

www.gosoaring.com.au

 

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[Aus-soaring] Junior Cross Country Prize

[Pam Kurstjens]

JUNIOR CROSS COUNTRY PRIZE: awarded by Stow Kentish.

I am pleased to announce the Junior Cross Country Prize being offered by our
Patron, Stow Kentish.

The prize has a value of $1,000.

Stow wants to encourage cross country performance by younger pilots, for
flights from Darling Downs Soaring Club.

The event will run from 1st April 2010 to 31st March 2011.

Pilots must be under 30 years of age at 31st March 2011.

Pilots take their best flight from each of three 4-month periods, April to
July 2010, August to November 2010, and December 2010 to March 2011.

The winner will have the highest cumulative score of up to three flights
under the Online Competition Classic Scoring. 

An Official Observer must verify the flight claim documentation.
IGC-approved Flight Recorders must be used in accordance with the Sporting
Code for Badges. 

(Position recorders such as Flarm, FlywithCE and Garmin may not be used.)

Flights must take off from Darling Downs Soaring Club. Pilots may be members
of any club in Australia. There is no requirement to make a flight in all
three periods.

 

Flight Claim Procedure will be published later this week. 

Flying at DDSC resumes on Sunday 11th April following the GQ Easter
Competition.

Enquiries to Pam Kurstjens

President

Darling Downs Soaring Club Inc

04 2989 8872

p...@kurstjens.com

 

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[Aus-soaring] Junior Cross Country Prize Claim Procedure

[Pam Kurstjens]

JUNIOR CROSS COUNTRY PRIZE: awarded by Stow Kentish.

I am pleased to announce the Junior Cross Country Prize being offered by our
Patron, Stow Kentish.

The prize has a value of $1,000.

Stow wants to encourage cross country performance by younger pilots, for
flights from Darling Downs Soaring Club.

The event will run from 1st April 2010 to 31st March 2011.

Pilots must be under 30 years of age at 31st March 2011.

Pilots take their best flight from each of three 4-month periods, April to
July 2010, August to November 2010, and December 2010 to March 2011.

The winner will have the highest cumulative score of up to three flights
under the Online Competition Classic Scoring. 

An Official Observer must verify the flight claim documentation.
IGC-approved Flight Recorders must be used in accordance with the Sporting
Code for Badges. 

(Position recorders such as Flarm, FlywithCE and Garmin may not be used.)

Flights must take off from Darling Downs Soaring Club. Pilots may be members
of any club in Australia. There is no requirement to make a flight in all
three periods.

 

Flight claim procedure:

1.   You need an Official Observer to verify that the flight recorder
that is used in the claim was carried in your glider on the flight.

2.   Your Official Observer may download the Flight Recorder or observe
you doing so. You are strongly advised to download using the manufacturer's
software for your FR, as downloading with SeeYou and other 'third party'
software can lead to errors in verification of log files. This is strictly
in accordance with the Sporting Code rules for Badges.

3.   No waypoint declaration is required but the pilots name and glider
details must be correctly entered in the Flight Recorder. Take this as good
training for Badge Flights.

4.   The Official Observer signs your claim form to verify these details
and to record the log file name, usually a .igc file.

5.   Claim your flight through the Online Competition Website. This will
provide the points scored for the flight. The flight must achieve a valid
score. Validation of the IGC log file by the appropriate vali-*.exe program
or in the IGC-shell program may be performed to confirm log file security.

6.   Send a notification of your claim and the log file in .igc format
(and any other format produced when downloading the flight such as .cai,
.lxn,)  to p...@kurstjens.com as soon as possible after the flight.

7.   Claim forms will be available at DDSC.

8.   Mail your signed claim form to:

Pam Kurstjens

33 Warana Ave

Mount Lofty

QLD 4350.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 

Junior Cross Country Prize Claim Forms will be available at Darling Downs
Soaring Club, as follows:

 

JUNIOR CROSS COUNTRY PRIZE

 

CLAIM FORM

 

Date of flight:

 

Pilot's name:

 

Glider type:

 

Glider registration:

 

Kilometers flown:

 

OLC Classic Score:

 

*

 

Official Observer to complete the following details:

 

Flight Recorder Type

 

Flight Recorder Serial Number

 

Log file name *.igc

 

Flight Recorder Type

 

Flight Recorder Serial Number

 

Log file name *.igc

 

I certify that the above flight recorder(s) was(were) carried in the glider
by the pilot on the flight claimed above.

 

OO name:

 

OO number:

 

OO signature:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Aus-soaring] Alex Metcalf

[Pam Kurstjens]

An Alex Metcalf took a launch at Darling Downs Soaring Club on 13 March
2010. Does anyone out there know who this might be and have contact details
for him?

Thanks

Pam Kurstjens

p...@kurstjens.com

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Re: [Aus-soaring] bohli compass for sale.

[Pam Kurstjens]

I wonder if there is a really tiny magnetic compass that meets the
requirements? The big lump on top of the instrument panel can be a visual
block for some people.
Pam

-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of S S
Sent: Thursday, 26 September 2013 8:28 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] bohli compass for sale.


I've got a Bohli compass, 

and I am pretty sure there is a southern hemisphere  (type S,   46-MFK-1)
and a northern hemisphere version  (type N) ,
due to it's unique design. 

- well, that's what my Bohli manual says.

Also, my Form 2 inspector has advised it is a required fitment. 
I am surprised there is even debate about that. 

Whether or not I think it is a redundant item given all the modern nav
equipment and battery powered backups,  is unfortunately irrelevant.

SS
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[Aus-soaring] Amendment to Sporting Code para 6.4

[Pam Kurstjens]

 

A small error has been pointed out that in Paragraph 6.4 of the Sporting
code the 13.5 m class was included with the World Class as a class that did
not allow motor gliders. This error was unintentional and the current
version of the sporting Code has now been amended to delete the reference to
13.5 m class in that paragraph. A direct link is 

http://is.gd/uYnO78. 

 

Ross Macintyre

Chairman Sporting Code committee. 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] dongles

[Pam Kurstjens]

We use Optus mobile Broadband prepaid when travelling, way cheaper than
paying for internet at motels and hotels. We bought two dongles to start
with. We re-charge on the website which is very simple & works fine, or buy
a prepaid voucher at a post office. If we haven't used one of them for three
months, we have to get a new simcard with a prepaid voucher at no extra
cost. Coverage is good at gliding comps we have been to except Temora where
there was/still is no Optus. As we use it instead of paying $20 or $30 per
day per laptop at motels, it is always going to be better value than that.
We're happy with it.
Cheers
Pam


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Monday, 21 June 2010 12:48 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] dongles

Probably a bit off topic but I would like to know what is the
collective experience out there with using dongles with either Optus
or Telstra to ones laptop for updating the weather etc when out on the
gliding field?? ie worth having or not, Expense, connectivity etc
Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Awards 2010 and RANGA Scholarship

[Pam Kurstjens]

Hi Tim

I thought claims for the three trophies had to be in by the end of May?

Pam

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of 
ec...@internode.on.net
Sent: Tuesday, 22 June 2010 3:57 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA Awards 2010 and RANGA Scholarship

 

Hi Tim

I'm currently in Germany and only scheduled to return on 11.8.2010.
Please accept my claim for a 1116 km FAI triangle flight as per report in 
Soaring Australia.

Kind regards

Bernard



On Mon 21/06/10 8:28 PM , "Tim Shirley" tshir...@internode.on.net sent:

Hello all,

 

I would like to remind everyone that the nomination period for GFA Awards is 
open, and will close on 31st July.  Full details are available on the GFA 
website.

 

In addition to the GFA Awards, there are three trophies - for the longest 
flight of the season (Wally Woods Trophy), the longest handicapped flight (Bob 
Irvine Trophy) and the greatest height gain (Martin Warner).  If you know of 
anyone who may be in the running for these, could you ask them to send me a 
claim together with documentation of the flight (IGC file trace preferred).

 

I would also like to remind you of the RANGA scholarship which is available to 
assist a young person to get a start in aviation by funding training at a local 
gliding club.  Requests for nominations have been sent out in accordance with 
the rules of the scholarship and in particular I targeted Air Training Cadet 
organisations.  The deadline for applications is 3rd July and I urge you to 
consider whether there are any potential recipients that you could encourage.

 

Cheers

 

Tim Shirley

GFA Awards and Trophies Officer

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[Aus-soaring] solar emergency lighting?

[Pam Kurstjens]

Has anyone had to provide emergency exit lighting in a hangar that is remote
from mains power?

I would hope there is a solar powered option for example. Any ideas?

Pam

04 2989 8872

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Re: [Aus-soaring] solar emergency lighting?

[Pam Kurstjens]

Thanks to everyone for their ideas. 

I was hoping someone would know of an off the shelf solution to the
requirement for a single-sided "EXIT" light without mains power. 

However with all the advice I'm sure we could rig something up.

Pam

From: Colin Campbell [mailto:colin.campb...@bendigogliding.org.au] 
Sent: Tuesday, 22 June 2010 5:13 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] solar emergency lighting?

 

Colin C to Pam

 In the current Aldi advertising brochure they list a solar shed lightwhich
includes a waterproof solar panel and compact lamp with bright LEDs and a
rechargeable battery for the sum of $16.99.

If you are not required to comply with a specific standard a number of these
may stop you stumbling over wings in the event of needing access during the
dark.

Colin C

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Pam Kurstjens  wrote:

Has anyone had to provide emergency exit lighting in a hangar that is remote
from mains power?

I would hope there is a solar powered option for example. Any ideas?

Pam

04 2989 8872


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Re: [Aus-soaring] good and bad

[Pam Kurstjens]

Take a look at the 'news' item for SERA 15th March 2010 on the BGA news
page:
http://www.gliding.co.uk/bgainfo/news.htm
Pam


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Borgelt
Sent: Monday, 28 June 2010 6:09 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] good and bad

So has anyone got a way around "media not available in your region" ?


Mike


At 05:04 PM 28/06/2010, you wrote:
>Thought y'all might like some news from the UK...good and bad.
>
>This link to a BBC programme that covered the new eurocontrol threat 
>to gliding...
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/regions/east
_midlands/8752013.stm
>
>And on a better note, we just finished the Midland regionals and had 
>nine competition days out of a possible nine! Everybody was 
>stunned...it has hardly ever happened over here due to normal 
>weather (and dont forget that the brits will compete in utter murk 
>and just about impossible conditions). Even more remarkable, the 
>winner won by a margin of ONE point!
>
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] US of A Glider Exemption

[Pam Kurstjens]

I wonder what the rule will be in 2 years time for the World Championships
at Uvalde? A major comp without Flarm these days could only happen in the US
I think?

Scarey.

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Staniforth
Sent: Sunday, 4 July 2010 3:29 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] US of A Glider Exemption

 

Greetings from California:
  I'm with you, Peter. Since owning and using OzFLARM in Australia I have
been telling all in the USA about the benefits. It mostly falls on deaf
ears. Statements about power planes not having it, only one manufacturer,
etc...
  I will try to attach a photo of the AS-H26E that was in a midair at the
Sports Class Nationals in Parowan, Utah a couple of weeks ago. The left wing
tip (~1.5m) is missing, from a few cm outboard of the aileron drive. Nice
that Schleicher rivets all the hinges, as it was flown 120 km back to
Parowan. Initially the other pilot got a score of 1000 points for the day,
as he just kept on task. Contest management was eventually pressured into
scoring to the point of impact. Thankfully, nobody was hurt, but besides
looking out the window we have the technology to help avoid this.
  After the accident there were bad responses to talk about using FLARM. If
you like you can browse through the 116 messages in the thread called
"Parowan midair?" on RAS. (link to thread below)
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.aviation.soaring/browse_thread/thread/81e
7d3a59e7a98dd?hl=en#
 
  Meanwhile, I was one of the first to order a PowerFLARM, which does the
usual FLARM stuff (useless at first, as nobody else has one) plus Mode C, S
and ADS-B receive / display. It may be available in Europe and should be
available in the USA this month (originally scheduled for April). If you
have not heard of PowerFLARM, here are links:
http://www.craggyaero.com/powerflarm.htm
or
http://www.butterfly.aero/powerflarm/fly/
Jim

 

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From: Peter Stephenson 
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

Sent: Sat, July 3, 2010 5:24:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] US of A Glider Exemption

bring on FLARM in all gliders and all light aircraft.
PeterS

On 2/07/2010 9:37 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> At 08:26 AM 2/07/2010, you wrote:
> 
> The glider exemption looks pretty stupid when you consider the amount of
electrical equipment in gliders nowadays. I wonder if the FAA troops have
even looked at a modern glider? Then again the new Administrator says he's
going to eliminate all GA accidents in 5 years.
> 
> And unicorns will frolic with virgins in sunlit glades with pretty
rainbows overhead in fairy tale forests.
> 
> Mike
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1978
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Re: [Aus-soaring] US of A Glider Exemption

[Pam Kurstjens]

I would agree with the problem in thermals, when all the lights are lit. 
That is when the voice alert comes into its own. There are gliders all
around you and the voice says for example '3 o'clock low' and you are
immediately alerted to look at the glider that is the real threat.
I have it as part of the Altair / Vega setup.
Our tugs have it as the Triadis Speech Alert System, and it has proved its
worth.
Pam Kurstjens
DDSC


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of harry
medlicott
Sent: Monday, 5 July 2010 8:45 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] US of A Glider Exemption

Hi All,

I believe it is generally accepted that Flarm is not of the same value in a 
thermalling gaggle compared with free flight.

The rose of lights does not give a precise  position of the threat. The 
features of add ons such as Altair draw a line directly to the threat and 
make avoidance manoevures certain. Especially important in a head on 
situation where closing speeds are very high and the threat may be slightly 
to the left or right.

 That said it is interesting that in Australia we have not had a mid air 
between Farm equipped gliders ( so far as I am aware). As competition 
gliders are mandated to use Flarms  and competitions were over represented 
in mid airs previously, this is a welcome change. The gliding movement world

wide owe Urs Rothacher and others such as Nigel Andrews in Australia 
involved in Flarm development and improvements a debt of gratitude

Harry Medlicott.



- Original Message - 
From: "Urs Rothacher" 
To: "'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'" 

Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] US of A Glider Exemption


> Mike wrote:
>>I'd love to know what led up to this and the flight paths in the 30
>>seconds or so before the collision and I wouldn't be so rash as to
>>make statements about the efficacy of Flarm in this circumstance
>>before having that information.
>
> The last twenty seconds of the two gliders at the US nationals and how 
> FLARM
> would have reacted to it are available here:
> www.flarm.com/motivation/2010_US_Nationals/
> right click to 'Safe as'
> Better movie available by mid next week.
>
> Movie was generated with the original IGC tracks, running on SeeYou which
> generates NMEA output for both gliders. The SeeYou NMEA output is then 
> used
> by the FLARM's instead of the internal GPS receiver.
>
>>Also I'm aware of 2 cases of mid airs
>>between Flarm equipped gliders in Europe.
>
> I am only aware of one incident, in France, where both gliders were FLARM
> equipped. Unfortunately one FLARM could no be found in the wreckage (even
> though reliable sources report that one was installed) so we don't know 
> what
> happened.
>
> Nevertheless: FLARM cannot prevent all collision incidents and a vigilant
> and effective lookout is the most essential part of any collision 
> avoidance.
>
> Would FLARM have prevented that collision at the US nationals? Almost
> certainly.
>
> Urs - FLARM
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement

[Pam Kurstjens]

We did indeed give a short cross country during ab initio training at
Booker, UK, many years ago. For all I know, they may still do so. I don’t
know if you can say for sure what effect it had, but when I was there we had
a very strong gliding movement with lots of young pilots, and the top Junior
Nationals pilots placed high in the main Nationals as well. I remember 30
years ago discussing the need to focus on developing and encouraging the
young pilots.

I remember one particular pupil, money to spare, having a go at various
different sports, who half way through the week declared he was getting
bored, so every now and then we did an aerobatic flight to liven things up.
He went solo, declared he had ‘done that’, and was off to try the next
sport. 

Pam Kurstjens

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of P Carey
Sent: Friday, 27 August 2010 5:58 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement

 

Parents of school children have very little discretionary spending power.
unless you are, unlike me, rub shoulders with the rich and famous.

On the other hand, youngish retirees have the money and are looking for
interesting activities. Rotary Clubs, Probus, Lions Clubs must be a fertile
ground for new pilots.

Having said this, to get them hooked on, we must devise a way that will give
them enjoyment from the start. Going up and down is boring even if the
adrenalin is flowing with abundance.

After the second or third flight, take the student on a short cross country
flight. 20-30 k from the airfield will illustrate what gliding is all about
and will give the student more opportunity to master the controls.

How many time have we talked about this and agreed that the Kookaburra was
unsuitable for such adventures. I can’t disagree with this but, hello, we
did progress since those days.

 

Ciao

PC

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Paul Mander
Sent: Friday, 27 August 2010 8:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement

 

There is a club near Sydney that has become so dependent on joy rides that
they have 32 listed instructors but just 125-ish flying members, no cross
country or competition curriculum. They run a full time operation yet cry
poor. I may be overstating it, but not by much. Is this what you’re talking
about? What should be a worry for our sport is that they are the first point
of contact with gliding for nearly ¼ the population of Australia.

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of gavin
wrigley
Sent: Friday, 27 August 2010 7:46 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement

 

I couldnt agree more, Ian.
 
In addition to 'chivvying' those who have already evidenced some interest by
taking a flight, lets get a bit more smart about those we pitch our market
to.
I have already revealed my disinterest in the treadmill of gift
companies/grandpa's birthday/air experience flights. Fine, dont refuse them,
but they wont create new members.
Lets make it easy for other pilots to try (or re-try!) gliding. Include
model aircraft enthusiasts, hang gliders, RAA and GA pilots. They have
already revealed their susceptibility.
 
And dont just plod through 'effects of controls', perhaps done by a
relatively new instructorunless that instructor has initiative,
enthusiasm, some soaring skills and the ability
to demonstrate the 'Joy of Soaring'. Show what is possible after plodding
through the 'effects of controls'...gliding IS different!
 
For that matterwhat about schoolchildren? 
 
If anyone wants to know more about the highly successful 'Flying' course
that is PART OF THE SCHOOL PROGRAMME for all of the year 10 students at a
school on Darwin then I am
happy to give details, and a professionally produced DVD is available.
 
Quite a number of established/confirmed/advanced glider pilots have shown
interest in the fact that such a programme exists, and has done for ten
consecutive years now.
But not one, to my knowledge, even though they expressed great approval for
the idea, has tried to introduce anything similar in their locality.
 
Its pissing with rain here in the UK. Thats my excuse for so many posts in
such a short time! 

 

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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:26:50 +1000
From: mrsoar...@gmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement

Gary+ others, 

 

Meant to say think we (GFA and CLUBS) need to convert try and convert as
many as possible 3 month into 12 months memberships.  Thus I think 3 month
members should get a letter one month out explaining thei

[Aus-soaring] FW: BGA News update - Safety

[Pam Kurstjens]

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Sent: Friday, 3 September 2010 7:22 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com
Subject: BGA News update - Safety

There is an update on the BGA website;

Rigging Safety Alert

The BGA has issued a safety alert concerning rigging of SZD Foka, Cobra,
Bocian, Jaskolka, Schempp-Hirth SHK & Austria series and any other sailplane
with an expanding pin/cone main rigging pin. 

Please see the Safety Alert identifying a possible safety issue with the
rigging procedure at
http://www.gliding.co.uk/bgainfo/safety/documents/safetyalert020910.pdf. 

You can view the update by going clicking the following link;

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[Aus-soaring] Help this morning in Melbourne?

[Pam Kurstjens]

Is there a glider pilot in the Tottenham area of SW Melbourne who would be
able to help me this morning or any time today with getting a glider out of
a shipping container?

I'm here without help which would not normally be a problem, but something
has come up and I may need a hand. More of a technical issue than a strength
issue.

Pam Kurstjens 04 2989 8872.

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Arcus E flies

[Pam Kurstjens]

Hi Simon
Thanks for hosting this list, we all appreciate it!
The Antares 20E will be flying in the nationals at Dalby with the same
engine as the Arcus E. It really is the simplest engine system to operate
and maintain.
It isn't cheap, and a lot does go into the development of such a concept. It
takes someone with the imagination and determination of Axel Lange to make
this happen.
Pam


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Simon
Hackett
Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 3:07 PM
To: AUS Soaring
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Arcus E flies

Hey guys...

I pay for the running costs of this list, so I get to (very occasionally)
make a post or two about something.

Its one of those times. Here goes:

How about, when people post pictures of pretty wonderful looking new
technology entering our sport (not entering the ultralight sport, *our*
sport - soaring in sailplanes)... such as the first two-seater deployment of
the Lange developed electric self launch system... that we try to find
something *positive* to say?

Here goes - this is what *I* think about it:

"Hey, thats pretty bloody cool - finally its possible to self-launch in a
50:1 aircraft, to take two people soaring, without chewing fossil fuels to
do it, with dramatically lower running costs and maintenance overheads
compared to complicated and stinky petrol engines, and to do it in a way
that, frankly, looks just beautiful".

That electric launch system is a doddle to use (fully automatic sequencing
for the startup and shutdown cycles), its quiet, it looks quite stunning in
operation (take a look at the videos on the Lange web site sometime)...

... and instead, we tear it down with self-satisfied dribble like the post
below.

This relentless tendency to cut people down when they mention something new
is, to coin a phrase - getting pretty old.

Its incredibly hard, and at some level, incredibly brave, to bother to
create and certify new aircraft at all, in the litigious and increasingly
risk-averse modern world.

Why don't we celebrate - and honour - those who have the guts to keep doing
it, risking their capital and their reputation in the process?

I, for one, have been stuck for years in the dilemma of owning a wonderful
high performance self launching two seater (Stemme S10-VT),  that has a
crushing maintenance overhead on the (in my personal view, somewhat flawed)
Rotax power plant being the thing that keeps it on the ground far more than
it could be.

I've been hanging out for the market to start releasing electric self-launch
two-seater gliders that look, and fly, like a proper glider, for sooo long.
Finally, at least one manufacturer is starting to do it.

Thats bloody fantastic!

And (in response to another post in this thread): don't get me started on
bagging aircraft because they cost $300,000. The road to lower cost, but
innovative, new aircraft (that don't suck) necessarily starts with more
expensive ones (that don't suck). 

Thats how it works!

Its why some people (like me) have spent that sort of money on a car
(because its the first production electric car that doesn't suck:
http://www.teslamotors.com).

And I recharge it using power that I (more than) offset back into the grid
via a 10 kW array of solar panels on my roof at home.

For some of you, that makes me a rich wanker, I'm sure.  I appreciate that
you'll be saying that behind my back.  I don't personally agree with that
view (from my point of view, I earned it, and at very considerable personal
cost, so I have a right to spend it any sodding way that I feel like it).

But the real point is that its people like me that give the manufacturers of
those vehicles (whether road going or flying) the capacity to bring out the
lower cost ones later, by supporting their earlier, more expensive, efforts
now.

Again, thats how it works.

And sure, everyone has a story about a concept  they can provide an
example of from  that works much better, at a cost of
only $2.50 plus a rubber band and some blu-tac. 

And, y'know what? They're always something that, mysteriously, never quite
made it commercially. I wonder why that is? 

Anyway... Thanks for listening.

I'll say this once more, to close:

"Wow, thats a beautiful looking aircraft, isn't it. I would sure love to try
flying that in Australia one day - and to be a part of zero carbon
footprint, and yet high performance, soaring, at last, with one of those in
a hangar charged from solar panels on the hangar roof".

Meantime: I'll now leave you to the back-biting in peace and quiet, and
return to my day job, of earning enough money to afford to keep this list
running for you all. 

(you're welcome).
 
 Simon


On 22/09/2010, at 8:15 AM, DMcD wrote:

>> This rounds off the complete offering of sailplanes (pure sailplane,
Sustainer, SL petrol engine and SL Electric), which will undoubtedly shape
the direction of offerings for all manufacturers i

[Aus-soaring] container space?

[Pam Kurstjens]

We are looking for a container space to Europe for a 20m glider, with or
without trailer, to leave in the next couple of weeks and arrive in
Rotterdam or other N Europe port end March. 

Alternatively, if we organise a container, is there someone who would like
to share?

Pam Kurstjens

04 2989 8872

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[Aus-soaring] cyclone?

[Pam Kurstjens]

For those who aren't familiar with it, I find the 6-day forecast on the link
below to be very useful:

 

http://wxmaps.org/pix/aus.vv.html

 

Regards

Pam

 

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[Aus-soaring] proposed windfarms?

[Pam Kurstjens]

The item below was in a recent BGA newsletter.

It details a hazard associated with proposed windfarms, and may also be
relevant to Australia, if you fly in areas where windfarms are springing up.
Eyes peeled?

>> 

(N.B. In the U.K.)  "We understand that anemometer masts have been erected
in a number of areas proposed for use as future windfarms. Others have been
erected adjacent to but outside current windfarm boundaries. These masts are
relatively thin, and can be difficult to pick out from the air. Being less
than 300 feet high, they are not required to be lit, or marked on CAA
charts, nor to be subject to NOTAM. Be vigilant in unfamiliar areas if you
are less than 500ft above ground level."

 

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[Aus-soaring] FW: BGA News update - General

[Pam Kurstjens]

What a great initiative!

-Original Message-
From: BGA Subscription service [mailto:nowh...@gliding.co.uk] 
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2011 2:39 AM
To: p...@kurstjens.com
Subject: BGA News update - General

There is an update on the BGA website;

The Wally Kahn/ BGA Library Project

The BGA is supporting both a hard copy and eBook library project being
organised by Wally Kahn of Lasham and Peter Redshaw of the Lakes GC. This
follows the completion of the major scanning project of all UK gliding
magazines from 1930 to 2000. The magazines and eBooks will be temporarily
made available through the Lakes GC website until a BGA website is in a
position to host them.

The scanning work done by Peter and the generous donation of Wally’s
comprehensive collection of UK books to the BGA makes this project possible.
This unique library will be augmented by books from the Doc Slater
collection held by the BGA.

The key project objectives are a catalogued BGA HQ library specialising in
UK gliding books and a website eBook library of all out of print UK books
subject only to copyright. Both magazines and eBooks will be freely
available and searchable through a BGA website facility.

We are advised that the project has made rapid progress. Nearly £7000 has
been raised in 7 weeks to allow professional scanning of the books; scanning
work should start at the end of May and project completion should be before
the year-end, subject to raising the rest of the £1. This is where you
can help.

Further donations can be made online; those making larger larger donations
will be offered a free set of CDs containing a copy of all the UK magazines
at high resolution (for personal use only).

Get the full story, make a donation if you can, and check out progress at 
http://www.lakesgc.co.uk/mainwebpages/Wally%20Kahn%20Book%20Collection.htm 

Please spread the information to your gliding friends. Please note that
donations can be made online or, if necessary, directly via Peter Redshaw
who is organising and managing the fund raising. Peter can be contacted at
pe...@redshaw.eclipse.co.uk 

Regards

Pete 

Pete Stratten
Chief Executive

British Gliding Association
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Meteorology for Glider Pilots C E Wallington

[Pam Kurstjens]

It would be worth asking the BGA if it is available as an ebook, and if so
which edition.

Pam

 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Friday, 18 March 2011 6:41 PM
To: ha...@interweft.com.au; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Meteorology for Glider Pilots C E Wallington

 

Hi Robert,

It depends on which edition you want. I think the last edition produced was
the 3rd (International Edition), which included discussion on Southern
Hemisphere weather, amongst other things, unlike the earlier editions: You
probably know all this.

 

Anyway the point of this response is to note that the book (in at least the
early editions), is readily available on eBay - Check Australian, UK, and
USA sites.

 

Did you see Pam's post earlier today on the BGA book/magazine scanning
project? I am sure this book will be on the list, but I gather the project
is still in its infancy: Any comments Pam?

 

Cheers,

Gary

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Robert Hart   

To: Soaring in Australia   

Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 5:18 PM

Subject: [Aus-soaring] Meteorology for Glider Pilots C E Wallington

 

Hi

I am looking for a copy of this key Australian gliding meteorology text
which has been out of print for quite some years now.

I have searched online and cannot find a single secondhand copy for sale
anywhere.

If someone knows of a copy sitting quietly ignored on a bookshelf somewhere,
please could you let me know as I would like to acquire a copy.

Tks 



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[Aus-soaring] Flarm trouble

[Pam Kurstjens]

We have updated our old type OzFlarm to 5.03 and it does not work anymore.
When flying, it has two red lights on all the time Tx-Rx and GPS).

When I try to open it in Flarm Tool, it does not work, the only option
available is 'recover'. When I try this, a page opens where it says
something like 'hold button down until update begins'. What button is this?

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Pam

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm trouble

[Pam Kurstjens]

Lee, Thank you. That sounds very helpful.

I'll try it at the weekend when I have access to a flarm/PC cable.

Pam

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Lee B
Sent: Monday, 2 May 2011 11:49 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm trouble

 

Pam,
 
Providing your OzFlarm serial number is greater than 200  (obtained when
connected to flarmtool OR the last 3 digits on label on base of OzFlarm),
you can 'recover' by holding the little switch up AS YOU CONNECT THE POWER.
 
If the serial number is below 200 it is likely the recover function is not
implemented. You would then have to send it to SwiftAvionics 07 3879 4005.
(Not expensive and they do a quick turnaround).
It is possible that loading a later release (i.e. when 5.04 is released)
will work as automatic updating to later version doesn't require the
'recover' function. I have seen this work several times.
 
I have had several OzFlarms sent to SwiftAvionics and they always do a
hardware RX and TX sensitivity check which is really worthwhile.
 
Once you've got the Ozflarm going again, the Flarm website provides a
'range-analysis' IGC file check that is very good for testing aerial
problems.
 
Lee Braithwaite

 

 
Paul Mander
Sun, 01 May 2011 18:03:46 -0700

Had a similar difficulty. Hold the little switch up instead of button.
 
 
 
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From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pam
Kurstjens
Sent: Monday, 2 May 2011 10:57 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flarm trouble
 
 
 
We have updated our old type OzFlarm to 5.03 and it does not work anymore.
When flying, it has two red lights on all the time Tx-Rx and GPS).
 
When I try to open it in Flarm Tool, it does not work, the only option
available is 'recover'. When I try this, a page opens where it says
something like 'hold button down until update begins'. What button is this?
 
Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
Pam
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

[Pam Kurstjens]

Anyone who countersigns somebody else's rigging is nuts.  Unless they have
observed and checked it every inch of the way, fully understand the glider
type they are signing off for, AND are willing to accept liability.

Why do we expose our fellow glider pilots to this enormous burden of
responsibility?

Pam

 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew
Gage
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 2:01 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

 

Rolf, in this I agree with Mike - there is no way that a duplicate control
check (or even DI) would have found the problem. Sadly, such a person would
have spent months in court defending themselves, costing them many thousands
with no prospect of any insurance helping them.

 

In practice, the UK do have a 2nd inspection - just with no signature. The
accident report even says this was done !

 

Is it the check that improves safety or the signature 

 

 

On 16/05/2011, at 13:35 , rolf a. buelter wrote:





Yea, way more important to cover your ass against litigation then document a
second chance to get it right!
 
Allays your miserable Mr. Buelter
 
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
> 
> 
> Lots of lessons in the Foka crash.
> 
> One big one is how fortunate it was the BGA and there was no second 
> sigmnature on the DI after rigging.
> 
> Mike
> Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since
1978
> phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
> fax Int'l + 61 746 358796
> cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784
> 
> email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> website: www.borgeltinstruments.com 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

[Pam Kurstjens]

What proof is there that a second rigging inspection, done by another pilot
who is not required to have any experience on the type, will 'significantly
reduce the risk of a mistake'? This I suspect is pure conjecture. 

Geoff's email shows that he knows his aircraft, and the other people do not.


There are very few technical experts out there, just glider pilots with a
wide variety of experience levels.

There is even a potential hazard, in that this person might actually loosen
or undo or dislodge the safety on a connection that they are not familiar
with, and I for one will always go back and re-inspect my handiwork after
someone else has had their hands on it.

>> 

I'm not saying that people don't make mistakes.

I'm not saying that someone else should not help the pilot check things
after rigging, e.g. a positive control check.

I am saying that the there should be only one signature on the maintenance
release.

Pam

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of John
Parncutt
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 6:47 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

 

Geoff your argument explains precisely why we DO need a second rigging
inspection! Things do get forgotten or missed (especially by more
experienced pilots). I am more than happy to sign off on a duplicate
inspection having made damn sure that it is right, why? Not because the risk
of litigation but because I care about the safety of my fellow pilots and
myself.

 

It is absolutely clear that a second inspection will significantly  reduce
the risk of a mistake.

 

 

John Parncutt

 

  

 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff
Vincent
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

 

Pam,

I totally support your sentiments.  Additionally, on several occasions I
have deliberately left a rigging item "undone" in full view and on three
occasions the error was not discovered by the second "inspector" who I might
add were all pilots with many years experience. They all would have signed
off the DI if I hadn't then intervened.  From my viewpoint there is no
substitute for doing the inspection properly yourself and taking full and
sole responsibility for that. 

Regards,

Geoff V

At 04:56 PM 16/05/2011, Pam Kurstjens wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
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Anyone who countersigns somebody else's rigging is nuts.  Unless they have
observed and checked it every inch of the way, fully understand the glider
type they are signing off for, AND are willing to accept liability.
Why do we expose our fellow glider pilots to this enormous burden of
responsibility?
Pam
 
 
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
<mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> ] On Behalf Of Matthew
Gage
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 2:01 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
 
Rolf, in this I agree with Mike - there is no way that a duplicate control
check (or even DI) would have found the problem. Sadly, such a person would
have spent months in court defending themselves, costing them many thousands
with no prospect of any insurance helping them.
 
In practice, the UK do have a 2nd inspection - just with no signature. The
accident report even says this was done !
 
Is it the check that improves safety or the signature 
 
 
On 16/05/2011, at 13:35 , rolf a. buelter wrote:


Yea, way more important to cover your ass against litigation then document a
second chance to get it right!
 
Allays your miserable Mr. Buelter
 
> Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident
> 
> 
> Lots of lessons in the Foka crash.
> 
> One big one is how fortunate it was the BGA and there was no second 
> sigmnature on the DI after rigging.
> 
> Mike
> Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since
1978
> phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
> fax Int'l + 61 746 358796
> cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784
> 
> email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> website: www.borgeltinstruments.com 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Foka incident

[Pam Kurstjens]

N.B…”…….(the pilot) shook both wings to make sure they were secured……”

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Staniforth
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 9:29 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Foka incident

 

More hearsay.

  The Caproni A21 has a similar outer wing panel connection. Here's the NTSB
report on one that came apart.

"...on their takeoff roll, the glider's right wing deflected upwards (about
90 degrees)..."

  Had heard from this aircraft's previous owner that the pilot's assistant
had checked the rigging before flight, and checked the pins from above and
below.

Turning clockwise from below will withdraw the pins, which are visible. IF
this was the case, the second inspection by someone unfamiliar with the A21
wasn't much help.

  The second inspection is not noted in the NTSB report. There was no legal
action, to my knowledge.

Jim

 

http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/sl20dqavvoxi1v55bc4wrn3x/B05162
01112.pdf

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From: Christopher Mc Donnell 
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 3:40 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Fw: Foka incident

This was sent to me last night.

>From the US I guess.

Good picture quality

 

Chris

 

- Original Message - 

From: János Bauer   

To: Christopher Mc Donnell   

Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:13 PM

Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

 

Hi Christopher,

 

I'm just reading this list, but maybe this event can be interesting for the
other members:

http://www.sylacaugasoaring.com/SZD%20COBRA%20WARNING.htm

Have we learnt something from 2007... I guess not:(

 

/Janos

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Christopher
Mc Donnell
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:49 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

Family reaction.

 

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/traffic-and-transport/family_plea_over_gliders_1_3
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

[Pam Kurstjens]

Peter
You live in a halcyon world where you will always be able to find a second
person available, every day that you rig your glider, who happens to have a
DI ticket for that same glider type.
If you support that, then clearly you also support the final total demise of
gliding, and that will be very safe for everybody when all gliders are in
museums because you have made it totally impractical for anybody to go and
rig and fly their glider.
Total nonsense.
Pam

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter F
Bradshaw
Sent: Tuesday, 17 May 2011 11:11 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident

Hi Mike;

On Tue, 17 May 2011, Mike Borgelt wrote:

> At 10:16 PM 16/05/2011, you wrote:
> >Hi Ron;
> >
> >A lawsuit like what? You are responding to a mail that hypothesizes that
> >lawsuits are possible. There is no actual lawsuit.
>
> Read it again. He didn't say there was, just that there is the
> possibility in similar situations.

Hence my use of the word hypothesizes - a word that gives his argument
more dignity than it deserves.

>
> I sure wouldn't try your legal defence. "So are you telling the
> Court, Sir, that even though you knew there was no way of positively
> checking, you signed that the aircraft had been rigged correctly?".

The second signer is not signing that the aircraft has been rigged
correctly. The signer is stating that he or she has checked the rigging
in a competent and reasonable manner. This is a different proposition in
law and in fact.

I think the lesson to be learnt from this accident is that, as somebody
else here has noted, that DI tickets should be issued on a per aircraft
type basis. Plainly, in this case, neither the riggers nor the people
who checked the rigging knew how to rig or check this particular
aircraft type.

>
> It might even be worse than a civil suit which even if you win is
> going to cost thousands to tens of thousands of dollars to defend
> with the loss of time, stress, worry etc. You might run into a
> coroner or Public prosectuor who wants to make a name for him or
> herself and find yourself on a criminal charge.

What is this? Fear Mongering 101? How did we jump from civil lawsuits to
criminal proceedings?

The problem with your argument is that it is one best tailored to the
idea that the best way to live our lives is to enter a windowless room,
close and lock the door, and sit quietly in the dark.

The truth of the matter is that each of us perform actions and take
risks every day in order to live our lives. Any of us may be sued at
any time. How far the plaintiff gets is a function of the merit of their
case. The best defense is to perform in a competent and reasonable
manner.

Further the best way to operate our sport is to perform in a competent
and reasonable manner and cross checking is an important part of this
paradigm.

>
> Mike
> Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since
1978
> phone Int'l + 61 746 355784
> fax   Int'l + 61 746 358796
> cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784
>
> email:   mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> website: www.borgeltinstruments.com
>

Cheers

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tug tow rope reeling in kit & operation

[Pam Kurstjens]

Hi Roger

It is a great idea and widely used in European soaring clubs. 

We had one in a Husky at the club in Eindhoven, where the not very spacious 
gliding strip was surrounded by a 3 meter high security fence (part of a 
military airfield). The rope didn’t always wind in fully, and you had to twist 
around and strain to see whether the rings were up against the cone, or whether 
you still had some rope trailing, as catching the rope in that fence was not an 
option! Some waggling of the tug’s tail was often necessary to see a short 
length of rope hanging out.

No matter how much the tug master maintained the reel, it was never fully 
reliable.

Pam

 

 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of 
ec...@internode.on.net
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2011 3:35 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tug tow rope reeling in kit & operation

 

Hi Roger

One of my customers fitted such a tow rope retraction system to his Super 
Dimona.

His operational experience was very positive but if my memory serves me 
correctly he 
reluctantly removed it as it restricted the storage capacity in the luggage 
compartment. 

Kind regards

Bernard Eckey

PS: Please feel free to ring me on 08 84492871after my return in July.

 


- Original Message -

From:

"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 
@lists.internode.on.net>

 

To:

"Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 

Cc:

 

Sent:

Tue, 17 May 2011 06:27:25 +1000

Subject:

Re: [Aus-soaring] Tug tow rope reeling in kit & operation




-Original Message-
From: Roger Druce 
Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 3:15
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tug tow rope reeling in kit & operation

I was wondering if there was any operator in Australia already employing 
Tost tow rope reeling in kit with their tug aircraft so as to retract 
the rope for descent & landing.

How has the experience been both in regard to the equipment fitted to 
the tug and also the operational benefits/problems?

Reply to group or privately as you feel.

Thanks

Roger Druce
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Flying Plank

[Pam Kurstjens]

Makes one feel quite young.

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of JR
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2011 7:48 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flying Plank

 

I thought others must have had one with all this " planking" in the news
lately.

JR

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Ground Clocks - a little bit of history

[Pam Kurstjens]

Very interesting indeed. I can remember using glider trailers (panel size as
viewed from above, 9m x 2m) and moving them around in a complex pattern,
once a minute, in a paddock adjacent to the start point feature (a bridge).

But then, I can almost remember back to when they sent observers out to each
turning point to lie on their backs and observe the gliders rounding the
TPs. 

For the DDSC members reading this, there is (was?) a picture in the
bunkhouse of a gliding competition grid launch in progress, and the 'ground
clock' can be seen in the photo.

Another thing just came to mind. Why have a ground clock, when the start and
finish line observers were taking your start and finish times? It was to
prevent the cheat going round the first TP before coming back and crossing
(and photographing) the start line, then going to the second TP. When there
was no time imprint on the photos, this was quite possible to do.

Pam

 

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Thursday, 11 August 2011 12:02 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ground Clocks - a little bit of history

 

Hi Terry,

Vey interesting. 

 

I gave Max a call earlier tonight, and you are right! 

 

Are you aware that he has built two of these infernal devices? He told me
building the Horsham one kept him amused for "weeks". His memories of the
whole thing are now a bit vague, but he obviously remembers the bits that
proved to be challenge - valves and controllers and such like, all built
from scratch! He has no photos, and all the surviving components were
consigned to the tip/recyclers about 12 months ago. It would seem that the
scenario was much as you described! Max was the builder and Wally Wallington
provided  the design concepts - based on the Binary Theory you have
referenced. Camera clocks were just appearing on the scene at this point in
time, and  Max intimated that they (and by inference, due to time required
to phase out an older system), and the conventional start gate method were
used for the actual scoring of the competition that year.  Pick a date in
the early eighties, rather than late seventies as you have suggested, for
this competition. 

 

Max found that this particular project did not achieve its aim, due to the
fact that the panels, as constructed, were too small, and thus could not be
definitively photographed with the cameras in use at the time - Kodak
Instamatics almost invariably - from 1000 m above terrain. The panels were
square, and the size was either 2.5m or 3.0 m to a side - Max couldn't quite
ping it off the top of his head!  pun?  groan! The material used for
the panel cladding was mini-orb steel sheeting. Total cost to build the
system was "about $1000.00".

 

The 2nd Ground Clock that he built was for the WGC in Benalla. Once again
Wally Wallington (who was the Contest Director), provided the concepts, and
Max then did the work to put these concepts into reality. It would seem that
this clock is basically as described in the April '83 edition of AG. Max
told me that he provided a brief (one page?), description of the system in
the  WGC notes of the time .  If anybody has a copy of the document, please
do download it to this site . The essential changes here over the Horsham
design were the increase in panel size to 20 m X 3 m, and the construction
of the panels out of fabric. These panels could be opened and closed by
sliding them along supporting side wires. Three people could operate the
system.

 

Again, it would appear that in the reality, all start times were taken from
the on board camera clocks, and the ground clock was not used, except in a
back-up situation, such as when the camera clock had failed to record a
start - a pilot finger problem always - he didn't press the right buttons -
as a camera failure would mean no record at all, of anything - bad luck
buddy - zero points for the day!

 

I suggest that it would be very possible - almost a sure thing - to get
grant money to build a replica of this device at the Gliding Museum (and a
sure way of slowing down the kids after they have run the panel sheets in
and out a few times), if the Museum  Directors choose to take the idea
onboard. I suspect that Max would be delighted to act as Project Director
(if asked), but of course on the proviso that he was given total authority
and control.

 

Cheers,

Gary 

 

 

 

 

- Original Message - 

From: Terry Neumann   

To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
  

Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:26 AM

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ground Clocks - a little bit of history

 


Max Hedt invented and constructed a ground clock for use at Horsham Week
comps back in the last century - (very late 70's perhaps??) 

As I recall - and it wa

Re: [Aus-soaring] Ground Clocks - a little bit of history

[Pam Kurstjens]

Ooops, what I said in my previous post doesn't make sense, the photos would
be in the wrong sequence. In UK comps, we had a 'start time interval' each
day (depending on the length of the first leg) to prevent the possibility of
going to the first TP before making a start.

Thank heavens for GPS.

Maybe the Gliding Museum should have a section devoted to how to cheat with
the old technology!

There was one I remember, where the pilot discovered that when you took the
photo, the time did not get recorded until you released the button, so he
devised a way to hold the button down. Crossed the start line, took the
photo, released the button 10 or 15 minutes later and that was the time that
the camera recorded on the start photo.

Pam

 

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Kurstjens
Sent: Thursday, 11 August 2011 12:37 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ground Clocks - a little bit of history

 

Very interesting indeed. I can remember using glider trailers (panel size as
viewed from above, 9m x 2m) and moving them around in a complex pattern,
once a minute, in a paddock adjacent to the start point feature (a bridge).

But then, I can almost remember back to when they sent observers out to each
turning point to lie on their backs and observe the gliders rounding the
TPs. 

For the DDSC members reading this, there is (was?) a picture in the
bunkhouse of a gliding competition grid launch in progress, and the 'ground
clock' can be seen in the photo.

Another thing just came to mind. Why have a ground clock, when the start and
finish line observers were taking your start and finish times? It was to
prevent the cheat going round the first TP before coming back and crossing
(and photographing) the start line, then going to the second TP. When there
was no time imprint on the photos, this was quite possible to do.

Pam

 

 

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Sent: Thursday, 11 August 2011 12:02 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ground Clocks - a little bit of history

 

Hi Terry,

Vey interesting. 

 

I gave Max a call earlier tonight, and you are right! 

 

Are you aware that he has built two of these infernal devices? He told me
building the Horsham one kept him amused for "weeks". His memories of the
whole thing are now a bit vague, but he obviously remembers the bits that
proved to be challenge - valves and controllers and such like, all built
from scratch! He has no photos, and all the surviving components were
consigned to the tip/recyclers about 12 months ago. It would seem that the
scenario was much as you described! Max was the builder and Wally Wallington
provided  the design concepts - based on the Binary Theory you have
referenced. Camera clocks were just appearing on the scene at this point in
time, and  Max intimated that they (and by inference, due to time required
to phase out an older system), and the conventional start gate method were
used for the actual scoring of the competition that year.  Pick a date in
the early eighties, rather than late seventies as you have suggested, for
this competition. 

 

Max found that this particular project did not achieve its aim, due to the
fact that the panels, as constructed, were too small, and thus could not be
definitively photographed with the cameras in use at the time - Kodak
Instamatics almost invariably - from 1000 m above terrain. The panels were
square, and the size was either 2.5m or 3.0 m to a side - Max couldn't quite
ping it off the top of his head!  pun?  groan! The material used for
the panel cladding was mini-orb steel sheeting. Total cost to build the
system was "about $1000.00".

 

The 2nd Ground Clock that he built was for the WGC in Benalla. Once again
Wally Wallington (who was the Contest Director), provided the concepts, and
Max then did the work to put these concepts into reality. It would seem that
this clock is basically as described in the April '83 edition of AG. Max
told me that he provided a brief (one page?), description of the system in
the  WGC notes of the time .  If anybody has a copy of the document, please
do download it to this site . The essential changes here over the Horsham
design were the increase in panel size to 20 m X 3 m, and the construction
of the panels out of fabric. These panels could be opened and closed by
sliding them along supporting side wires. Three people could operate the
system.

 

Again, it would appear that in the reality, all start times were taken from
the on board camera clocks, and the ground clock was not used, except in a
back-up situation, such as when the camera clock had failed to record a
start - a pilot finger problem

[Aus-soaring] Oz Flarm and Altair Pro

[Pam Kurstjens]

I am keen to hear from anyone using an OzFlarm manufactured by RF
Developments, which has been updated to the latest software, in combination
with Altair or Altair Pro. We have one such combination which is giving a
lot of trouble and would like to know if other people are finding that it
works, or if they are also having trouble since the recent upgrade to Flarm
software.

Thanks

Pam

Suggest you contact me offline 

p...@kurstjens.com 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW comps Temora

[Pam Kurstjens]

Where can we find it?

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tom & Jane
Gilbert
Sent: Friday, 23 September 2011 6:39 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW comps Temora

 

Finally we have our act together at least partially.  Those interested in
flying at Temora for the NSW State Comps (26 November to 3 December) please
email me for an Entry Form.

 

Regards to all,

 

Tom Gilbert

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[Aus-soaring] New Sporting Code

[Pam Kurstjens]

The link below takes you to the Sporting Code valid from 1/10/2011 i.e.
Saturday.

I have been asked whether GPS altitude can be used for badge flights. The
answer is NOT YET: it will be another 12 months before this proposal can be
approved, and that isd still under debate.

Pam

 

http://www.fai.org/gliding/system/files/sc3_2011.pdf

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] 1945 airshow

[Pam Kurstjens]

Magic! 

I'd heard of a snatch launch but never seen one.

 

 

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Sent: Sunday, 23 October 2011 10:26 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] 1945 airshow

 

plus a CG-4A glider snatch by a C-47. 

 

 


 


 

Subject: 1945 airshow

 

What a great video with attached background music.
 
 

 Great archival footage...




Attached is a 1945 airshow at Freeman Army Airfield in Indiana , featuring
captured German WWII aircraft... You'll see briefly a couple of "terror
weapons," the V-1 and V-2 rockets that terrorized Londoners... Also briefly,
a look at the German rocket plane ME-263, Dornier bombers, the ME-109 and
more... Of course, lots of familiar American WWII aircraft, plus a CG-4A
glider snatch by a C-47... Background music by big bands of the Forties,
notably the opening Glen Miller number, "In the Mood" (from back when music
was music)...Freeman Army Airfield was closed down in 1946 and is now
Freeman Airport serving Seymour , Indiana . 



A neat airshow video from 1945. Click below:
  


 
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=1723870789084

 

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[Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug

[Pam Kurstjens]

We plan to use a Cessna 182P for towing. Does anyone out there have a Cessna
182P already towing and if so, could they help us with info on approvals,
P-charts and flight manual supplements?

If we can obtain figures already issued by CASA or an engineering firm it
will save us time and money.

P-charts for a Cessna 182 of lower engine performance would also be helpful,
as we could say the performance will be at least as good.

CASA used to issue these approvals, P-charts and supplements, but these days
the work is done by private firms. I have been in touch with AutoAvia of
Bankstown and their advice is to see what info we can find from similar A/C
already towing.

Many thanks

Pam Kurstjens

04 2989 8872

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug

[Pam Kurstjens]

Hi Cathy

Thank you, I'll chase him up.

Pam

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Catherine
Conway
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 10:30 AM
To: ; AUS Soaring
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug

 

Tim Laider's 182 had a hook and he towed with it. I think it was done on an
STC.  

 

Tims details can be found here

 

http://www.riverlandflighttraining.bounce.com.au/about-the-cfi/4540511304

 

Cath

Sent from my iPhone


On 24/10/2011, at 8:49 AM, "Pam Kurstjens"  wrote:

We plan to use a Cessna 182P for towing. Does anyone out there have a Cessna
182P already towing and if so, could they help us with info on approvals,
P-charts and flight manual supplements?

If we can obtain figures already issued by CASA or an engineering firm it
will save us time and money.

P-charts for a Cessna 182 of lower engine performance would also be helpful,
as we could say the performance will be at least as good.

CASA used to issue these approvals, P-charts and supplements, but these days
the work is done by private firms. I have been in touch with AutoAvia of
Bankstown and their advice is to see what info we can find from similar A/C
already towing.

Many thanks

Pam Kurstjens

04 2989 8872

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug

[Pam Kurstjens]

Mike

Yep, different model. I'm hoping to strike lucky and get performance figures
for the 182P. 

I haven't been able to get much info from club members about that Cessna.

I'm also learning a lot about the paperwork process.

Thanks to those who have so far responded, I'm getting some really useful
info, keep it coming.

Pam

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Borgelt
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 12:14 PM
To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug

 

Pam,

Didn't DDSC used to operate a C182?

Mike

At 10:46 AM 24/10/2011, you wrote:



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Hi Cathy
Thank you, I'll chase him up.
Pam
 
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
<mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> ] On Behalf Of Catherine
Conway
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 10:30 AM
To: ; AUS Soaring
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug
 
Tim Laider's 182 had a hook and he towed with it. I think it was done on an
STC.  
 
Tims details can be found here
 
http://www.riverlandflighttraining.bounce.com.au/about-the-cfi/4540511304 
 
Cath

Sent from my iPhone

On 24/10/2011, at 8:49 AM, "Pam Kurstjens"  wrote:

We plan to use a Cessna 182P for towing. Does anyone out there have a Cessna
182P already towing and if so, could they help us with info on approvals,
P-charts and flight manual supplements?

If we can obtain figures already issued by CASA or an engineering firm it
will save us time and money.

P-charts for a Cessna 182 of lower engine performance would also be helpful,
as we could say the performance will be at least as good.

CASA used to issue these approvals, P-charts and supplements, but these days
the work is done by private firms. I have been in touch with AutoAvia of
Bankstown and their advice is to see what info we can find from similar A/C
already towing.

Many thanks

Pam Kurstjens

04 2989 8872

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug

[Pam Kurstjens]

Hi Jenny
>From what I have heard, the "Cessna Hook" is no longer available, but the
Schweizer hook is the same (maybe the Schweizer hook was sold on the Cessna
parts list as the Cessna Hook?)and comes with the installation drawings.
Pam 

-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Jenny
Ganderton
Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 4:29 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug

We used to have a C182 E model at Forbes which was used as a parachute 
jump plane and a glider tug - but not at the same time! It has a Cessna 
latch hook on it, and it gave no trouble at all. The rego of the plane 
is ICU, and it was sold to a couple of club members as neither gliding 
not parachuting happens at Forbes any more. The hook is still installed 
as far as I know.

I think Lachlan Valley Aviation in Cowra may have fitted the hook.

Although latch hooks are not permitted on gliders any more, they are 
still allowed on tugs.

I should have thought that using a Cessna hook on a Cessna tug would be 
the easiest to get approved - but what do I know?

Regards
Jenny

On 24/10/11 15:58, John McFarlane wrote:
> The Schweitzer couldn't have been that bad - or they would have attracted
AD
> action to prevent their use
>
> Interestingly, to address some of your stated areas of acceptability this
> company manufactures a "Like" tow hook with improvements (unable to
validate
> tests/methodology)
> http://www.wingsunlimitedtowhooks.com/index.html
>
> Has anyone had any experience with the hook at all, it looks reasonable.
>
> Regards
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
> opsw...@bigpond.net.au
> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 12:27 PM
> To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
> Australia.
> Cc: John McFarlane
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug
>
>
> Pam,
>
> my understanding is that the Schwiezer type hook is not acceptable as it
> does not have the aligning function that is found in the tost hook design.
> The outer ring keeps the load at right angles to hook.  the old
> cessna/schweizer hook was mounted on an AN bolt and could move and not
> release or auto release.
>
> Aerial ag at bankstown did fabricate the tost mount in the past.
>
>
> VH-RLC and VH-EFY were two 182's that were used extensively for towing.
>
> regards
>
> Peter Heath.
>
>
>
>
>  John McFarlane  wrote:
>
> =
> Hi Pam,
>
>
>
> You can install a hook via two processes:
>
> 1.   Purchase a Hook installation with a Supplemental Type Certificate
> (STC) from a vendor(Tost, Schweitzer) - comes with everything you need and
> is a log book entry if installed as per the vendors instructions.  STC
> issuing authority really needs to be FAA or EASA to be accepted. Once in
> your hand, with the parts, you can just have your LAME install.
>
> 2.   Cobble up something that doesn't coming from Item one and go
> through the CASA approval process, including CAR 35 design authority, P
> Charts etc.  Historical Approvals are ok, but if the history you choose is
> not from an Approved install then that owner may not be too happy as CASA
> may review their install and refuse to accept this as acceptable for
yours.
>
>
>
> An STC is the easiest road to travel, costs are known.  Option 2 can be
> easy, hard, cheap and expensive and very time consuming.  The joy of the
STC
> is that has all been done by the vendor, they will however be seeking to
> recoup these costs through the purchase price of their product.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Pam
> Kurstjens
> Sent: Monday, 24 October 2011 8:49 AM
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Cessna 182P tug
>
>
>
> We plan to use a Cessna 182P for towing. Does anyone out there have a
Cessna
> 182P already towing and if so, could they help us with info on approvals,
> P-charts and flight manual supplements?
>
> If we can obtain figures already issued by CASA or an engineering firm it
> will save us time and money.
>
> P-charts for a Cessna 182 of lower engine performance would also be
helpful,
> as we could say the performance will be at least as good.
>
> CASA used to issue these approvals, P-charts and supplements, but these
days
> the work is done by private firms. I have been in touch with AutoAvi

[Aus-soaring] Observer Course

[Pam Kurstjens]

I am giving a talk on the Sporting Code and Official Observer's role, with
the opportunity to become an official observer, on Tuesday 1st November at
Archerfield. This is advertised on the GQ website at:

 

http://www.glidingqueensland.org.au/index.php?view=venueevents

&id=4%3A2-wing-aafc&option=com_eventlist&Itemid=20

 

There is no fee to attend this event which is being organised by Gliding
Queensland, and they will cover the $20 application fee for Official
Observer applications for those that apply on the night.

 

Pam

 

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[Aus-soaring] Pawnee wing strut

[Pam Kurstjens]

We have a serviceable Pawnee wing strut for sale. X-rayed 15/7/2011 'nil
corrosion detected'.

Pam Kurstjens

President

Darling Downs Soaring Club.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley

[Pam Kurstjens]

CASA Brisbane Field Office have recently audited our tugs’ log books and 
maintenance releases.

Pam Kurstjens

04 2989 8872

Tug Master DDSC

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Stuart & Kerri 
FERGUSON
Sent: Monday, 16 January 2012 5:00 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Ramp Check on Tug at Beverley

 

John,

 thanks for the heads up.

 

We had the CASA Drugs and Alcohol tester turn up on a Wednesday to test us,

finding the gate closed they phoned the contact number to find out that we 
usually

only operate on weekends; 2 minutes of pre trip Internet research would have 
saved 

them a trip.


Stuart FERGUSON 

Phone - 0419 797508

 


On 16/01/2012, at 3:10, "John Welsh"  wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

I was ramp checked on Sunday morning flying PA25 BMF at Beverley by a CASA 
Inspector (paid double time no doubt). He went through an extensive checklist 
of required items, and requested sighting of the aircraft’s Maintenance Release 
and the POH. Luckily I had my Licence and Medical on me, so all my 
documentation was OK. The Inspector then observed operations for several hours.

I would suggest that you make sure that all you tuggies ensure that you carry 
your licence and medical on board from now on whilst on towing duty in case of 
a visit at your airfield.

 

Regards,

John Welsh

Home: (08) 9496 0664

Mob: 041 794 5981 (Next G) 

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www.beverley-soaring.org.au

and the Gliding Federation of Australia web site  <http://www.gfa.org.au/> 
www.gfa.org.au
Newcomers to gliding and soaring are invited to visit 
http://www.soaring.org.au/web/






 

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter 
Stephenson (Internode)
Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012 8:40 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] This is why you have tie downs at the airport.

 

 

 


This is why you have tie downs at the airport.
 Notice the elevator position.  Must have used a seat belt to hold the yoke!!
 I'm sure the landing was interesting.
 
  <http://wimp.com/parkedaircraft/> http://wimp.com/parkedaircraft/
 

 

 

 

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[Aus-soaring] Winch launch safety

[Pam Kurstjens]

  _  

Glider team wins GA safety award, SkyDemon commended
 

  _  

A major initiative to reduce glider accidents has won the 2011 General
Aviation Safety Award. The British Gliding Association's (BGA) Safe Winch
Launch Team scooped the award after judges heard the initiative, which has
been running for six years, had dramatically reduced the number of fatal
glider accidents. The Team, led by Hugh Browning, are the seventeenth
recipient of the Award, organised by the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA),
since its inception in 1994.

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[Aus-soaring] Queensland State Championships at DDSC

[Pam Kurstjens]

The dates for the Queensland State Championships to be held at DDSC have
been set:

Saturday 29th September to Saturday 6th October 2012.

The first Saturday will be a practice day with 7 competition days from
Sunday 30th to Saturday 6th.

The Club Class Nationals start on Monday 8th October at Kingaroy.

 

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[Aus-soaring] QLD State Championships Online Entry Form

[Pam Kurstjens]

The entry form for the Queensland State Championships is live at:

http://www.ddsc.org.au/index.php?option=com_chronocontact

&Itemid=87

 

 

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[Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems

[Pam Kurstjens]

I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High pulse
delivery system.

What cylinders are most suitable for glider use?

What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in Australia?

What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen cylinders
refilled commercially?

Pam

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems

[Pam Kurstjens]

Thanks Tom, that’s helpful. Who supplies the German bottles? 

We are in Europe for a month, can we carry one on a flight? I expect it would 
have to be empty if we did?

Pam

 

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 4:41 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems

 

Hi Pam,

Most US bottles will not fit in Schleicher holder. Either a smaller bottle with 
packing or get a German steel bottle [which will fit, and gives max capacity]

and use German DIN44 fittings. An alternative, which both our gliders have is 
the German bottle with a DIN44 to American std CGA[64?] adapter

to use the std US regulator from MH. The adapters are on the MH website, you 
can then use this adapter for filling. The extra money for the reg with gauge 
is worth it as the MH bottles have gauge on bottle side of tap but German 
bottle does not. The US is the aviation standard here.

With a refilling kit you can hire a big bottle and refill your own bottles. 
Talk to Maddog as`well.

Regards,

Tom

 

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From: Pam Kurstjens 
To: DDSC ; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in 
Australia.  
Sent: Monday, 9 July 2012 3:15 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Oxygen systems

 

I want to put an oxygen cylinder in my ASH31mi with a Mountain High pulse 
delivery system.

What cylinders are most suitable for glider use?

What fittings give easiest access to re-filling services in Australia?

What sort of good or bad experiences are there in getting Oxygen cylinders 
refilled commercially?

Pam


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Alternative to the OLC

[Pam Kurstjens]

Why would we need an alternative? I think there is great strength and
interest having worldwide flights in one place.
If you would like to see an alternative system, check out the BGA Ladder in
the UK: http://www.bgaladder.co.uk and click on 'daily scores' for example.
Yesterday, 39 flights in the UK were posted to this site, and only 5 of
those were posted to OLC.
People are regularly doing 750's and the rare 1000, which are incredible
flights given the size of the island, the airspace, and the weather, yet we
see few flights on the OLC so gliding in the UK goes largely unnoticed by
the worldwide gliding community.
Pam

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From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Peter F
Bradshaw
Sent: Monday, 2 July 2012 9:51 PM
To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Alternative to the OLC

Hi;

There is an alternative to the OLC at:

http://skylines.xcsoar.org/

IGC files may be uploaded and scored here. In addition it is planned to
implement a realtime tracking feature in conjunction with XCSoar (v6.4).

Cheers

--
Peter F Bradshaw: http://www.exadios.com (public keys avaliable there).
Personal site: http://personal.exadios.com "I love truth, and the way the
government still uses it occasionally to  keep us guessing." - Sam Kekovich.
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[Aus-soaring] Queensland State Championships

[Pam Kurstjens]

A reminder that entries are invited for the Queensland State Championships
at Darling Downs Soaring Club.

The entry form is here:

Bob Ward is Competition Director, and there will be catering by our
dedicated team of ladies.

http://www.ddsc.org.au/index.php?option=com_chronocontact

&Itemid=87

 

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[Aus-soaring] Cambridge 302 series

[Pam Kurstjens]

Can someone please point me to where I can download the Cambridge program
"300UtilityPC 2.56.exe " for connecting a 302 to a PC? The link from the
Cambridge Aero Instruments page doesn't lead anywhere.

Many thanks

Pam

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 302 series

[Pam Kurstjens]

Thank you to everyone who responded, we now have a copy of the .exe file via
a Dropbox account. Handy system.

Regards

Pam and Gerrit

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Roger Druce
Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2012 9:00 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Cambridge 302 series

 

Dear Pam
I am sending this file by direct email.
Cheers
Roger Druce

On 24/07/2012 7:15 AM, Pam Kurstjens wrote:

Can someone please point me to where I can download the Cambridge program
"300UtilityPC 2.56.exe " for connecting a 302 to a PC? The link from the
Cambridge Aero Instruments page doesn't lead anywhere.

Many thanks

Pam






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Re: [Aus-soaring] One man rigging tools.

[Pam Kurstjens]

We bought one from IMI a year ago and we are very pleased with it, rigging
the ASH31 and Nimbus 4. They mailed it to us from Czech.

http://www.imi-gliding.com/index.php?option=com_content
 &view=article&id=45&Itemid=100027&lang=en

Pam

 

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley
Sent: Tuesday, 4 September 2012 4:17 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] One man rigging tools.

 

Hi Don,

I have a professionally made Cobra one-person rigging stand which works well
with a clamshell trailer.  It has only been used half a dozen times since
new, and is unmarked.

I am seriously considering selling mine as it is not being used -  I live
next door to the airfield and the glider is rigged and hangared most of the
time.  Contact me off-list if you are interested.

Cheers 


Tim


tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare

On 4/09/2012 14:51, Don Woodward wrote:

G’day,

 

I’m considering purchasing a one man rigging dolly so I can rig and derig my
20 single handed without having to rely on help each time. I’ve noticed
several types on the market on websites like wings and wheels etc but does
anyone have any experience with using these? Are there good ones and bad
ones, which one is the best? I’ve seen videos on you tube demonstrating
their use but I rarely actually see glider pilots using them at the field.

 

Any opinions or experiences people have had with these wing dollies (good or
bad) would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

Don Woodward

VH-GIB






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[Aus-soaring] FAI 2013 Forbes Hang Gliding World Championship

[Pam Kurstjens]

5 to 18 January 2013

>> 

The FAI 2013 Forbes hang gliding World Championsips
 local
regulations are published at

http://www.fai.org/download/CIEA/yac/HG_Worlds_Forbes_2013_Final.pdf

 

CIVL would like to apologize profusely as this publication comes a month
late.

 

Stephane Malbos

CIVL VP and Web Content Dog.

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[Aus-soaring] FW: [igc-discuss] Sporting Code 2012 version

[Pam Kurstjens]

 

The new version of the Sporting Code, Section 3 Gliding, to take effect on
1st October 2012, is now available on the IGC section of the FAI website.
There are a number of new provisions as approved by the IGC Plenary meeting
in March. There are also some amendments which clarify wordings which have
proved difficult, and the opportunity has been taken to add the option of
sending an email declaration to the OO as another way of producing a written
declaration. An updated version of Annex C will be published soon. 

Ross Macintyre, 

Chairman, SC3 Committee

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[Aus-soaring] IGC Documents

[Pam Kurstjens]

The Sporting Code, list of IGC Approved flight recorders, Approval Documents
for IGC flight recorders, etc can be found on the following page:

http://www.fai.org/igc-documents

However, it can take a while to dig out the one you are looking for. 

For example, to find the list of IGC Approved FRs, click on "Free Software
for IGC file validation" and another list opens, click on "IGC approved
Flight Recorders Approval Documents, and another list opens, at the top of
which is the link to the list of IGC approved recorders and their approval
levels.

Remember to have a copy of the Approval Document for your particular FR
available for your observer to look at, if he/she is unfamiliar with your
type of FR.

Pam

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Something to make you laugh, Ozzie IFR waypoint fun, this is true!

[Pam Kurstjens]

Crossing the channel into France, call BREST control.

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of tom claffey
Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012 7:38 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Something to make you laugh, Ozzie IFR waypoint
fun, this is true!

 

Into Brisbane over Moreton Bay:

 

leaky, boats, sinks

 

 

 

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From: "opsw...@bigpond.net.au" 
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
 
Cc: Ron Sanders  
Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2012 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Something to make you laugh, Ozzie IFR waypoint
fun, this is true!


Inbound to Diego Garcia used to have 

mumma
whatta 
bumma


Or Oceanic waypoints near BNE and SYD 

Shark
Marlin  etc


Peter Heath 






 Ron Sanders  wrote: 

=
I have a very ominous example of way point names!

On the way down the Red sea into Jedda you will find one way point which is
DEDLI
and the very very next one is OSAMA.

I have to say i was shocked to read that.

Ron S

On 13 September 2012 07:47, Texler, Michael  wrote:

> This is funny, Airservices Australia have a sense of humour:
>
> http://makingtimeforflying.blogspot.com.au/2009/08/youll-come-flying-mat
> ilda-with-me.html
>
> Look in the Airservices Austrlia designated airspace book:
> http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/aip/current/dah/dah.pdf
>
> Section 21 - IFR Waypoints
>
>
>LatLong
> WONSA  -22110
> JOLLY  -23110
> SWAGY  -24110
> CAMBS  -25110
> BUIYA  -26110
> BYLLA  -27110
> BONGS  -28110
> UNDER  -29110
> ACOOL  -30110
> EBARR  -31110
> TREES  -32110
>
>
> The Yanks like a laugh too.
> There is this classic one from RNAV (GPS) Approach for RWY 16 Portsmouth
> Airport in New Hampshire USA (KPSM). Imagine entering this in the
> navigation computer!
> See:
> https://skyvector.com/files/tpp/1209/pdf/00678R16.PDF
>
> If you start at the initial approach fix (IAF) in the northwest: ITAWT
> To the intermediate fix (IF): ITAWA
> To the final approach fix (FAF): PUDYE
> Missed approach point: TTATT
> Missed approach holding point: IDEED
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[Aus-soaring] Sporting Code SC3 2012

[Pam Kurstjens]

If anyone has already printed or saved a copy of the new SC3 2012, please
note an error was found in 1.4.2, and a corrected copy is now online.
Pam




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Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Code SC3 2012

[Pam Kurstjens]

Here is the link to the documents page on the IGC website. I don't see how
to post a link direct to the Sporting Code.
Pam
http://www.fai.org/igc-documents


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
a...@ozemail.com.au
Sent: Saturday, 15 September 2012 6:02 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sporting Code SC3 2012

To save confusion I suggest the web address for the correct version should
be posted (preferably so I can have a PDF in my iBooks) 

SMFSLT

Alan Wilson.  Ph 04 1623 1641

Sent from my iPad1


On 15/09/2012, at 5:48, "Pam Kurstjens"  wrote:

> If anyone has already printed or saved a copy of the new SC3 2012, 
> please note an error was found in 1.4.2, and a corrected copy is now
online.
> Pam
> 
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[Aus-soaring] QLD State Championships

[Pam Kurstjens]

The Queensland State Championships at Darling Downs Soaring Club will be
held in 2 classes: Open Class and Club Class.

The decision has been taken to make the most of the small number of entries
that we have for this competition. 

We currently have 12 entries, and there are 6 that fall into Club Class, and
the remainder will  be Open Class. A class size of 6 is allowed under
Queensland Rules.

We have considered making it Sports and Club, but at least two pilots
expressed a likelihood of withdrawing from the competition if they couldn't
fly with water.

>> 

The competition starts in two weeks' time. We have waived the late fee for
late entries. Please register without delay if you wish to compete.

http://www.ddsc.org.au/index.php?option=com_content
 &view=article&id=95&Itemid=86

 

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[Aus-soaring] NImbus 4T for sale

[Pam Kurstjens]

A reminder that our Nimbus 4T is for sale, Gerrit's Quintus is on the way
here so the only addition to the advert is 'o.n.o.'

The glider is currently at Jondaryan, and has a fresh Form 2.

http://www.glidersales.com.au/motor.php

Pam

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[Aus-soaring] Importing glider trailers: another twist

[Pam Kurstjens]

You have to get an import permit for an Australian-registered trailer
returning to Australia!!!

Our trailer has been to Europe and is on its way back with the new glider in
it. 

It was imported 2 years ago and has an import permit from that time and
current registration, but no dice, have to re-apply.

Pam

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Importing glider trailers: another twist

[Pam Kurstjens]

Fortunately, the customs broker confirms there is no duty or GST on
'returning Australian goods'.

Pam

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
gstev...@bigpond.com
Sent: Friday, 21 September 2012 12:01 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Importing glider trailers: another twist

 

Pam,

That is hard to credit. Did the person you were dealing with give you an
exact reference to the appropriate legislation (Act) to support this
contention?

 

As a matter of principle, have you tried contacting the Commonwealth
Government Ombudsman on this?[I assume such a position exists]

In my (limited) experience with Ombudsmen, if you have a case, they cut
through all the BS, and get you a positive result quickly.

 

If what you say proves to be true, it is likely that you will also (again),
have to pay import duty and GST  on the trailer as well!

 

Please keep us informed of developments.

 

Gary

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From: Pam Kurstjens <mailto:p...@kurstjens.com>  

To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
<mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net>  

Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 11:07 AM

Subject: [Aus-soaring] Importing glider trailers: another twist

 

You have to get an import permit for an Australian-registered trailer
returning to Australia!!!

Our trailer has been to Europe and is on its way back with the new glider in
it. 

It was imported 2 years ago and has an import permit from that time and
current registration, but no dice, have to re-apply.

Pam


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