I didn't intend my second point to mean anything other than: if you fail your sim check, you lose your job. If you do well, you get promoted. I've seen both happen in the airline I flew for.
I've also met rogue pilots. They are nasty things to fly with. There are rogues (autocrats) in the human race, it's a fact of life, they have trouble accepting authority, but they are often very strongly disciplined, within their own particular belief of how the world ought to be. They just expect the world to bend to their rules. That doesn't work in cockpit resource management. Pam From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Saturday, 7 June 2008 8:06 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly Pam, You said - Captain and First Officer still take full legal responsibility for their actions and decisions when operating a flight, and this is correct BUT they are still under supervision and management of the employing company (Operations manuals SOPs etc, his fellow crew members and even the fare paying passenger. Your second point reminds me of a book, "Darker Shade of Blue; the Rogue Pilot" is tremendous reading on the subject. I had the privilege of meeting the author and discussing the subject when I was studying Aviation Safety Management several years ago - the following paragraph is cut from an on line review of this book - riveting stuff. Darker Shade of Blue: the Rogue Pilot by Lt. Col. Tony Kern, Ph. D., (McGraw-Hill, 1999) examines the fundamental failure of otherwise good pilots to maintain disciple. Too many aviators who have "good hands" for flying have bad attitudes toward authority, risk, the immutable facts of aeronautics, and ultimately their own limitations. This lack of discipline kills. It kills pilots -- and it costs the lives of crews, passengers, and people on the ground. Despite the uncompromising tone of Kern's book, the understated truth is that rogue culture pervades all of aviation. SDF -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pam Kurstjens Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 6:37 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly I disagree. Captain and First Officer still take full legal responsibility for their actions and decisions when operating a flight. How they handle difficult situations, and how they perform in their 6-monthly sim checks, has more to do with job retention and promotion. Pam Kurstjens -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 5:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly .............even your 20,000 hour Airline Captain is not an independent operator, he/she is operating under the supervision of the Chief Pilot through any number of Check and Training Captains etc. Supervision maintains safety cultures and standards; good cultures and standards help maintain our safety record and keeps insurance premiums down and I don't think anyone could argue against that :) SDF -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Emilis Prelgauskas Sent: Friday, 6 June 2008 3:36 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] rated to fly Thank you Steve His name isn't Tom, but that doesn't matter. He also has 5000 hours in Canberras and other interesting military stuff, but the rest is pretty straight. When flying check out is done on a performance basis (ie is he safe) rather than prescriptive basis (ie the federation), he gets his tickets on merit, by the regulator anointed check pilot. end of issue On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 07:04:22 +0930, swk wrote: >Unfortunately, one of the four, Tom I think it was, doesn't have a >level 2 ind ops rating. >It's a bit sad really cos Tom is long time flying enthusiast and >has been flying for about 35 years, he has retired from full time >work now and is reasonably well off with time and money, that's why >the guys actually got together. _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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