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[Aus-soaring] benalla club class nats

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Glider wanted to hire for this comp. 2600 hrs and current. Crew and car also (may be) needed, so ideas considered. Normally based in UK or Darwin. Gavin Wrigley.

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[Aus-soaring] ASK 21m

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Bernard...I am still considering the purchase of an ASK 21m and need as accurately as is possible to know what it may cost by the time it is ready to fly here in Australia. Can you help?
Gavin.

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RE: [Aus-soaring] Advertisement - Standard Cirrus for Sale

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Hello Nick.
Still for sale? What price?
Gavin Wrigley.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Advertisement - Standard Cirrus for Sale

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Gdday JR. Yes! You should meet these pommie mongrels though.
www.bggc.co.uk is where I'm at. Look in the 'courses' section...my playground. Just placed 12th in the national sports class in a borrowed libelle. They must have got smaller in recent years! Still driving that Astir?
Gavin. 

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RE: [Aus-soaring] Condor soaring simulator in Australia

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Robert, there is a very active codor-based soaring online competition over here in the UK. You probably know this, I comment in order to note the effect of the programme on glider pilots that I have observed over here. It does improve their skills and knowledge! To find that a keen post-solo student, not a natural pilot by any means, had better skills and judgement after a winter layoff with no real flying was, of course, a surprise. For a technophobic Luddite like myself to acknowledge that weekly participation in an 'online' gliding comp was the reason took a while. But its true. 
Having used the BGA simulator with several students (even though it was primarily designed for neophytes in expo's, etc.), I have found that a lot of airtime  and money can be saved ironing out procedures and problems on the ground. On can even have a 'tutorial', with several people watching the lesson. The condor programme is to be used in future when we build our own simulator here at bggc.  We already have the aircraft parts...thanks to a pilot who could probably been better off in a simulator that day!!
Lasham Gliding Club recently trained an (aerotow) glider pilot on a simulator...plus a VERY minimum number of real flights. This was written up in one of the Sailplane and Gliding magazines just this year.
If you find an appropriately technical volunteer for your project I may be able to put them in toutch with a glider pilot/condor user/computer lecturer over here...but I'd better ask her first! 
Gavin Wrigley.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Advertisement - Standard Cirrus for Sale

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No speed points? No-one got home...I just got the furthest. Dont ask me, I'm not the scorer. Yes there were some severe penalties, one competitor finishing 'in the red'! Airspace is the issue over here...we badly need to stay credible and NEVER to be seen infringing airspace, espescially at a nationals level. The BGA has a big problem now with new (EASA) demands for everyone to have and use transponders. To be used in ALL airspace! Not just 'controlled' airspace! That dreadful (proposed) legislation apart, the air is very busy. Infringing parachute drop zones is a very sensitive issue, and there are a lot of them, (500 points) and on a strong thermal day..they do happen over here..you can run just a bit too close to the bottom of class A airspace sometimes and inadvertently clip it. ie you need to work with pressure altitude/flight levels when as low as 3000' above terrain at times...just when the thermals were getting sorted! Altimeters need to be accurate!
Oz is so free by comparison...but you do get more sceneryto the mile over here.
Gavin.

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[Aus-soaring] Motor Falke for sale

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Expressions of interest sought (again!)
VH-GIK, 'B' Falke with 1700 limbach. V. good condition but approaching 1100 hours engine time.
King VHF/VOR, Transponder, Strobe, GPS, Jaxida canopy cover, Tasman Vario. Oil cooler.
Located Darwin.
Gavin Wrigley 0418844014Advertisement: House hunt online   now! 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Horse-drawn Zeppelin dealer in Australia?

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This could be a good forum (aus-soaring), but I am tempted to unsubscribe (and therefore miss SOME good stuff) because of the large  number of rubbish postings.Enjoy maximized rewards from American Express  Don't miss out! 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] (no subject)

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For those of you/us that may be planning a trip to Burketown this year for the Morning Glory it will be worth knowing that there are planned to be trials of UAV's through the area at that time, september/october. If you  contact your RAPAC member nearer the time they may have further details. Looking for a home loan? Compare 2,000 mortgages at  RateCity 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] BGA Stats

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Not a model that feels accurate I'm afraid. There are approx. 2400 single seat gliders on the combined BGA and Service Clubs register. Probably only a half of them will regularily go X/C, but some of them are syndicated and will do a lot of X/C. The 'average' British weekend cross country will be between 150 and 250 km (probably at 60-70kph). Obviously there are spectacular exceptions. The same 'average' pilot may do 10 cross-countries a year!  Quite a few keen pilots` will go overseas every year...but that may be considered cheating. 
My guesstimation is in the region (1200 x 2000) of 24 km.
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[Aus-soaring] Motor Falke Home Needed

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There's a Motor Falke with a BRAND NEW 1700 Limbach lurking at Waikerie for the 
next few weeks. 
It is for sale...or could be  subject to a lease arrangementand can be 
flown almost anywhere in OZ to fit such an arrangement. 
Ideas invited. Buyers invited. My bum needs to forget the journey down (from 
Darwin) before my brain proposes a return journey.
Good condition, etc., etc.,
Very useful aircraft for a gliding club INCLUDING basic training, x/c training 
and outlanding training. Transponder equipped so more versatile again..good for 
scenic flights (by any other name). I'm in and out of Australia over the next 
couple of months so talk to me sooner not later! At Waikerie until 12th 
Jan...returning to Oz @ 20th Feb. for two weeks only. More details available 
offline
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or 0418844014  

Seasons greetings to all!   Gavin Wrigley.
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Future Gliding Simulator project

[gavin wrigley]

Tom...you may already know this...
The BGA has a simulator. It uses a projector onto a screen. The fuse and 
controls are from a wreck, the whole thing folds very cleverly into an 
trailer...the sides fold out when in use to restrict daylight for the screen 
and to provide space for promotional stuff. The software is simply the condor 
flight sim. The BGA is upgrading it after some experience 'on the road'. Lasham 
also have a dedicated room with a flight sim. in it (controls, etc).
The BGGC is building one...but the project supervisor will not be there until 
Easter. I'm sure their experience(s) can be learned from.
Gavin Wrigley. 

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:49:02 +1030
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Future Gliding Simulator project
> 
> Howdy Folks
> 
> I am currently heading into my 4th year at uni and am looking at designing 
> and building a transportable gliding simulator for training and promotional 
> purposes.  I understand that this is a fairly massive undertaking and also 
> one that my uni does not really have the contacts to help me out with.  I 
> have also witnessed the enormous amount of knowldege and expertise provided 
> by the people on this list and thought I would try and make use of it! :-)
> 
> With this in mind, I am keen to hear from anyone who feels that thay may be 
> able to offer advice, comments or leads that may be useful.  More 
> specifically I am keen on information about:
> 
> - Previous/current projects.  I believe Keepit's puchatec is being put to the 
> task?
> - Old or unservicable glider fuses that may be avaliable.
> - Trailer manufacturers who are friendly towards glider pilots.  I think I 
> heard about someone who offset the cost of a trailer by covering it in 
> sponsorship?  Details would be great.
> - Any other relevant information.
> 
> Please feel free to email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> The sim is apromotion and training tool and will be avaliable for clubs for 
> use as such.  Rather that having it tucked in a shed somewhere, I want to see 
> it at events such as air shows, with people queueing up to have a go!  I cant 
> think of a better recruitment tool!
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Tom Wilksch

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Re: [Aus-soaring] June edition SA

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Gdday Anne. I am in the UK and dont get the SA magazine until it is forwarded 
some time later. I'd like to get a couple more copies for the school, etc., of 
the edition that my article is in. Which month will it be?
Thanks,
Gavin Wrigley. 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 08:10:37 
+1000Subject: [Aus-soaring] June edition SA




A reminder to all that articles for the June edition of Soaring Australia 
should reach me by 25 April.
Thanks, AnneE
 
Keith Dixon and Anne Elliott
(GFA Sub-editor Soaring Australia magazine)
PO Box 189
Narromine NSW 2821 Australia
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Aerotow alternatives

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You would never get it in the boot of your car, Ron.> To: 
aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sun, 4 May 
2008 12:28:29 +0930> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aerotow alternatives> > I know, 
I know, I keep praying to win division 2 so that I can get a> Skylaunch...> > 
lol> > RM> NAGC> > > > > "John O'Neill" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent by: To > 
aus-soaring-bounces  > @lists.internode.on 
cc > .net > Subject > [Aus-soaring] Aerotow alternatives > 03/05/2008 11:18 PM 
> > > Please respond to > "Discussion of > issues relating to > Soaring in > 
Australia." > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > internode.on.net> > > > > > > > If GCV is 
looking at alternative launching, it would be worth a look at the > latest 
winch launching technologies on the site: [EMAIL PROTECTED] in > particular 
check out the comments on the "Skylaunch" winch with the retrieve > winch that 
returns the cable after release from the glider to the launch point > in less 
than 1 minute. > > With the modern ropes available such as "Dynema" the old 
spring steel/piano > wire with all its dangers can past into history. > > 
Incidentally for the newer members of GCV, in the early 1970s the Club had the 
> best glider winches of all gliding clubs in Australia, both being twin drum 
and > powered by state of the art for the time, engines donated by 
International > Trucks. > > John > > > > > > > > > > > (Embedded image moved to 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Please explain - Temperature inversion, dew point/cloud production and High Pressu

[gavin wrigley]

Dave. Try the website from the club I'm working at. BGGC (UK). Look for the 
'Solo to Silver' pages and you will find a deliberate (ongoing)build of all the 
kind of knowledge, including tephigrams, that you might need. 'Dons Pages' have 
a lot of information.
Gavin. > Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:21:32 +1000> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 
Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Please explain - 
Temperature inversion, dew point/cloud production and High Pressure> > I'm 
hoping that someone may be able to explain the relationship between> 
Temperature inversion, dew point/cloud production and High Pressure (and> it's 
effect on cloud). High pressure (and its associated stability) is a> cloud 
killer, but why when all a parcel of air has to do is rise and> condense? Where 
is the lower layer of an inversion in relation to cloud> production or 
condensation? Above cloud base? I've seen various diagrams> in relation to 
temperature inversion and they're pretty vague about where> the inversion is in 
relation to cloud.> > Dave> ___> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] GFA,marketing and democracy in the GFA

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Good list, Ben!
Not just applicable to Australia. Two years ago we contacted all of the members 
who had not renewed or reappeared at my UK club. Direct confidential 
conversations. Some replies were astonishingly rude. Some responded to the 
personal contact (and the fact that they were listened to) and returned. Not 
all of these survived a further year. A large proportion of those contacted had 
been frustrated by their slow progress, but this was seen in terms of 'not 
being attended to'. It was a personal inerraction issue. Since then the 
(professional) team has exercised a strong ethos 'you will not waste your time 
here'. Ground briefings, glider maintenance, even club/building maintenance, 
and of course flying wherever possible. And a good pot of tea always on the go. 
Even if they dont fly (try the British weather...it happens a lot) they should 
go away feeling appreciated/educated/entertained...whatever. Anything but 
unseen/unknown/ not valued. 
Sadly, it seems to be very difficult to get the volunteer/weekend instructor 
crew to adopt the same attitude (with a few individual exceptions). Attendance 
midweek is strong. Attendance at weekends has dropped dramatically.
That is a 'cultural' element. The basic one. Maslot? We have also structured 
X/C courses from 50km aspirants to bigger adventures. After two years of great 
success and takeup these are now foundering due to fears of recession plus the 
frustration of British weathers. But they are a great thing to do...several 
members would have left gliding had they been left to learn on their own 
post-solo. 
Having said all of that, the club membership is not growing, but perhaps we 
slowed the decline.
Gavin.
 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 28 May 2008 20:14:48 
+0900Subject: [Aus-soaring] GFA,marketing and democracy in the GFA




Just thinking outside the box again,
 
When people decide to not renue there membership with the GFA, is there 
anything in place to ask the departing member WHY they have decided to pull the 
pin.
 
Eg : 
Medical reasons
Age reasons
Too steep learning curve
Learning cure not steep enough
Not compatible with the club members
Cost
Not what the thought gliding was 
Lack of post solo training.
CFI is a dick
Lack of 2 seater club aircraft to take your guests flying due to abinito 
requirements
Club politics
Stuipd paper hurdles to get into the next higher performance aircraft
i'd rather be a "turn-key" powered pilot mentality
airspace restrictions
Distance to the airfield from home  ( measured in hours of driving )
can't over come the need to barf every flight
No level 2 instructors to be seen anywhere on a public holiday to run the ops  
so junior pilots drive 150 KMS home with another Zero hrs in the log book.
and so on...
 
 
Collecting this data should answer the question , " Why cant we retain members"
 
Simple to me..
 
Then the answers sould provide direction for changes to be made at the club 
level or GFA level.
 
 
Confusus say " Man who askes questions gets some answers, Man who asks no 
questions gets no answers"
 
 
Ben
West Oz
 
 
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[Aus-soaring] P2's for Morning Glory Trip

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There will be P2 seats avilable (on a cost-sharing basis) on the upcoming 
Morning Glory expedition, late Sept/early Oct. Details for interested pilots 
from me via [EMAIL PROTECTED]  


 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 59, Issue 8

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I wonder if they've found the owner of the deer/dear. 'Its anybodys game' 
doesent usually work in court, poachers try it on all the time.

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  > For a moment I thought he'd hit someone's grandma...> Jim> > George> 
Thesinger (one of the hot favourites) outlanded and hit a dear shortly after> 
the start. His glider has been replaced as the dear was hidden in the grass 
and> thus the damages is deemed not to be the pilots fault!. It?s anybody?s> 
game for the time being Nah Jim that would be  an "old dear", this was 
obviously a younger dear, such as a mother. Why they hide them in the grass in 
Germany, I dont know(:Dave L

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Re: [Aus-soaring] UK Comps - to scrub or not to scrub

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This could be funny...but its too realistic! The writer forgot the bit where 30 
of the 50 gliders flopped back for relights before the start...chaos on a long 
narrow buckled field...then finally disappeared for a formation landout. That 
was the better day of the two in the Junior Nationals, on the other day a very 
few got home but the majority never even started.
Sid, (the weatherman) wore a paper bag on his head during all of his weather 
briefing.
I'm in the Club Class Nationals next weekthe forecast is cr..p right up to 
Friday, registration day.



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+1000Subject: [Aus-soaring] UK Comps - to scrub or not to scrub



FM the UK Banter webgrorup.  We're so lucky here!
 
WPP
 
 
 
Competitions - What scrubbing does Day 1 The director is laid back, time to 
sort out thing things that havenot been done. The pilots are laid back time to 
sort out the things theyhave not done. The crew is laid back because they don't 
have to preparethe glider or retrieve it. Day 2 The director is still laid 
back, another 7 days to go. The pilotsare getting itchy and look for things for 
the crew do do. The crew is laidback but irritated slightly by the pilots being 
itchy and finding themthings to do. Day 3 The director is slightly less laid 
back. The pilots are nowbeginning to ask difficult questions at briefing like 
when are we going tofly. The pilots are definitely not laid back and go out to 
purchaseexpensive toys to play with to pass the time. The crew are laid 
backbecause they still do not have to retrieve and the pilots are off forretail 
therapy. Day 4 The director is getting a little paranoid, he thinks the 
pilotsblame him for the weather. The pilots are ok for a bit and then they 
crashthe expensive toys and start moaning at the crew because they 
didn'tprepare him properly or show sypathy when he crashed his toy. The crew 
arehappy that there is not retrieve, amused by the pilot crashing his toy 
andthen pissed of because it's their fault so they have a little sulk andget 
slightly rat arsed. All study the TV weather intently. Day 5 The director is 
getting worried so he briefs a task, gets everyoneon the grid and threatens to 
launch. The pilots are at first happy becausethey think the director knows 
something they don't. They sit on the gridand get tetchy as the day goes on, 
they could be playing with theexpensive toy. The crew are fed up because they 
know if the grid islaunched they are going to have to collect the glider from a 
wet muddyfiled miles from the nearest pub, but at least the pilots are not able 
toplay with the expensive toy. The pilot has spent all his money on anexpensive 
toy and repairing it so he won't be able to afford a crew mealso they won't 
even get that. When the day is finally scrubbed everyonegets sh1t faced. The 
director retires to his caravan and stares intentlyat the internet weather 
trying to see a possibilty of flying in the nextfew days, falls asleep doing 
it. Day 6 The director gets up grumpy because he has fallen asleep in 
hisclothes and has a mouth like the bottom of a budgies cage. He puts 
backbriefing to avoid having to face the pilots. The pilots get up grumpy witha 
searing headache and a mouth like the director. They are glad briefing isput 
back because it allows them to recover a little. They wonder about atask and 
whether they should play with their expensive toy which they havemanaged to 
repair. The crew stay in bed, ignore the tannoy and decide theydon't want to 
play any more. The director puts back briefing a couple ofmore times and then 
scrubs on the tannoy, sneaks back to his caravan andhides from the pilots. The 
pilots have a meeting to decide if they shouldsacrifice a weatherman and wonder 
where the crew are. The crew have hiddenthe expensive toy because if they do 
have to do a retrieve they want theircrew meal and they don't want the pilot 
spending money on repairing itagain. The pilots are fed up because they can't 
find their expensive toy.The pilots and crew retire to the bar but stay in 
seperate groups. Day 7 The director is depressed, he appears at briefing says 
two words"we're scrubbed" and slinks off. The pilots are fed up with the 
crewwho didn't talk to them and demand the return of the expensive toy. 
Thepilots cause carnage with the expensive toy and go off for more 
retailtherapy. The crew surrender all hope of a crew meal and point out to 
thepilots that they have saved money on launches. The pilots are cheered 
alittle by this as they now can afford all the bits to repair the expensivetoy. 
The crew go off muttering about bloody directors, bloody weathermenand most of 
all tight bloody pilots. Day 8 The director is suicidal but realises he has 
only one more day toput up with the pilots and crew. The pilots sit about in 
groups discussingwhether or not the competition is the worst they have ever 
been to, vownever to come again. The crew start to 

Re: [Aus-soaring] UK Comps - to scrub or not to scrub

[gavin wrigley]

Thanks for the kind (albeit dyslexic) offer, Adam.
I'm afraid I'm a bit too old!!
Gavin.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:59:39 
+1000Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] UK Comps - to scrub or not to scrub


Come to the Australian Junior Nationals then, www.joeyglide.com.au - I'm sure 
someone on this list maybe able to help you arrange a free/cheap glider for you 
to compete in!  We're in need of some good international competition, as we 
haven't really had any since Garret Willat (USA) came over in 2004. Anyone 
willing to make an offer? If you or any of your mates need a hand in 
co-ordianting gliding in Aus, drop me an e-mail,  RegardsAdam Woolley 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:37:18 
+Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] UK Comps - to scrub or not to scrub

This could be funny...but its too realistic! The writer forgot the bit where 30 
of the 50 gliders flopped back for relights before the start...chaos on a long 
narrow buckled field...then finally disappeared for a formation landout. That 
was the better day of the two in the Junior Nationals, on the other day a very 
few got home but the majority never even started.Sid, (the weatherman) wore a 
paper bag on his head during all of his weather briefing.I'm in the Club Class 
Nationals next weekthe forecast is cr..p right up to Friday, registration 
day.



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Unmanned Gliders To Seek Their Own Lift

[gavin wrigley]

Hmm. Some researchers have been spending lots of government quality (quantity?) 
money on such tests and experiments here at Nympsfield over the last two years. 
Nice for us..we fly around following their (the humans) instructions whilst the 
sticky tape comes undone and they (the humans) try to remember east from west 
and how to translate information into directions. Lost signals, lost gizmo's, 
sometimes they lose the airfield and always the gumm'nt loses the money.
Like boy scouts with a credit card.
But whilst not holding my breath waiting for a product that works (an UAV-CCTV 
in the sky) I suspect that this sort of thinking is one of the pressures that  
is behind  the recent transponder (non) consultations.
Gavin.
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Date: Tue, 
> 19 Aug 2008 15:13:49 +1000> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Unmanned Gliders To 
> Seek Their Own Lift> > Various parts of autonomous soaring UAVs have been 
> flown successfully,> some test flights have proven the autonomous thermalling 
> algorithms,> some have conducted cross-country flights. The BAe group look to 
> be> pretty advanced with their "cloud scraping" technology that uses video> 
> processing to monitor clouds to determine likely lift sources.> > There are 
> several research groups around the world working on this,> including a group 
> I am in at DSTO here in Australia. We are working> towards test-flights early 
> next year in New Zealand.> > The algorithms required to do basic soaring are 
> very lightweight, taking> very little processing power.> > On Tue, 2008-08-19 
> at 12:00 +0800, Texler, Michael wrote:> > Sounds a bit like April's fool.> > 
> > > I am sceptical that it would work, not with the current technology. But I 
> am not a tech head, so what would I know...!> > > > I would've thought that 
> the weight of the computing hardware plus batteries would be quite a lot.> > 
> > > Anyway, isn't 1.5kg wetware with a ~80kg support system cheaper to run, 
> uses known technology, and is more fun> > > > 
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[Aus-soaring] FW: [Saga-coach] FW: Police checks

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: [Saga-coach] FW: Police 
checksDate: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 01:11:06 +


Sorry Bernard, I'm not sufficiently interested in this pc bullshit (good for 
beaurocrats and harmless to paedophiles) to bother until the arm twisting 
begins. I already have to do this in the UK as an instructor and in the NT as a 
registered teacher. Dunno about NZ yet, I'll find out when I get there in 
December. Dont be so helpful...it only encourages the b's. 
(beaurocrats?).Gavin.> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 
Mon, 29 Sep 2008 08:46:07 +0930> Subject: [Saga-coach] FW: Police checks> > Hi 
all!> > After Peter Robinson questioned the need for the police check I > made 
further enquiries and today I can advise as follows:> > a) Peter is right, 
under CURRENT SA legislation a police check is> not yet required. It won't be 
long though!!!> > b) A police check is mandatory for all instructors and 
coaches under > the GFA member protection policy.> > This means that all of us 
need to go to a police station and get the > form rubber stamped there. Please 
remember to take sufficient > identification along. (Please refer to the 
enclosed documents for > details.)> > There are no costs involved! All you have 
to do is to return the form> to me. I will take care of the rest.> > Kind 
regards> > Bernard> > > > -Original Message-> From: Future Aviation 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, 4 September 2008 8:24 AM> To: SAGA 
Coaches ([EMAIL PROTECTED])> Subject: Police checks> > Dear all> > You might 
know that our government now requires volunteers like us to> undergo "Police 
Checks". No doubt - it will boost your enthusiasm just > as it has mine. > > I 
have no choice but to enclose documents which need to be filled out > and 
presented to a police station of your choice. Afterwards please> return the 
"National Police Certificate" application to me for signing.> > For further 
details please refer to the attachments.> > Kind regards > > Bernard> > 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] where to learn and where to holiday

[gavin wrigley]

Matthew,
I see that someone else has already mentioned Omarama in a reply to your 
question. I work as an instructor in Omarama with Southern Soaring, I also 
instruct professionally in the Australia and the UK, with occasional forays 
into the French Alps.
There is no doubt in my mind that Omarama provides the 'ultimate gliding 
experience', the scenery is breathtaking (snow-capped mountain ranges all 
around) and there is every form of lift imaginable, sometimes all on the same 
flight. But we also do a 'learn to fly' course, for absolute beginners or from 
any starting point. These courses cost more than a (non commercial) club 
course, but are intensive 1:1 experiences. The syllabus in NZ, the UK and 
Australia is extremely similar, the points of difference are very small and do 
not make it awkward to move from one country to the other.
Despite the perception that some of the weather here at Omarama may be for 
'experts', not beginners, the experiences that may be had during any 'learn to 
fly' course will be unforgettable. Glider time is not limited so relevant 
opportunities can be taken to experience wave, ridge and thermal flying. We use 
aerotow launches.
The recreational opportunities are outstanding!
All the best
Gavin Wrigley.> Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:17:38 +1100> From: 
hit...@itglowz.com> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Subject: 
[Aus-soaring] where to learn and where to holiday> > Hi all,> Just a couple of 
questions to help me out and i guess to promote some > discussion.> > Myself 
and my partner are both interested in learning to fly full size > gliders (we 
both fly r/c gliders). We are planning a holiday (frequent > flyer points 
yay)possibly to NZ in the next 12 months and as part of > this holiday would 
like to do some soaring over mountain ranges. Which > leads me to 2 questions.> 
> First, would you recomend learning to glide here in Australia and where > 
would you recomend (i'm in outer eastern melbourne) or would i be better > 
doing a "boot camp" at the holiday location and would those quals > obtained 
abroad be recognised here or vice-versa.> > Second, (semi-related) what 
location would you consider to be the > "ultimate" place to fly a glider 
anywhere in the world and why?> > Thanks in advance for satisfying my 
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[Aus-soaring] Motor Falke for sale

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Excellent condition, NEW Limbach 1700 (50 hours only), New s/s exhaust & pipes. 
Transponder & strobe, Jaxida canopy cover. etc., etc. Hangared in Batchelor 
(Darwin). Can be viewed/flown/ferried in March or in September only - due to my 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] The power of the media, was RE: The power of prayer?

[gavin wrigley]

Interesting subject, very topical for all of us nowadays, and a good thing for 
Michael to have brought up.

I read the report conclusions, very technical/factual and not a glowing 
endorsement for any of the 'professionals' involved. I had seen the trial 
verdict reported in both the Times and the Guardian in the last few days, and 
both reports placed an inordinate emphasis on the fact that the captain (heard 
on the CVR) prayed, after apparently handing over to his co-pilot. There were 
undoubtedly better things to do at the time, but this was far from the only or 
worst mistake that the crew/airline/authority had all combined to effect.

I did a media search to see how it was reported in other press. Only a few 
mentioned the praying..most others stated other facts and aspects of the case.

It is clear that some western media see value in appealing to the anti-islamic 
prejudices of so many of us. Very few people will go behind the 
headline/newsbyte.

I agree with Richard Dawkins by the way. And if that pilot relly insisted on 
invoking a God he should , like so many of us, have chosen Derek Piggott. Then 
he might have got back.  
 
> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:21:55 +0900
> From: michael.tex...@health.wa.gov.au
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] The power of the media, was RE: The power of 
> prayer?
> 
> > All 366 pages? 
> 
> Yup! ;-)
> 
> Why let the facts get in the way of a good story?
> 
> Much of the report comprises appendices (these in themselves are 
> interesting). The conclusion starts at page 193 and goes for about 10 or so 
> pages.
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 66, Issue 47

[gavin wrigley]

That would be a pity. 'Bashing' human prejudices and bad media practices, or 
even stating the bleeding obvious in the manner of criticising religious 
bigotry and fanaticism would seem to me to have some point, and to be relevant 
to all of us. Whats the point in continuing to dredge around for bad jokes 
about a perfectly good design of glider that has contributed hugely to the 
gliding movement worldwide and in Australia in particular. BORING! A positive 
contribution would be more useful...and could very easily be more humorous, if 
thats what you want!  
 


From: lahi...@hotmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:38:05 +
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 66, Issue 47




 Please lets get back to "Blanik bashing". At least it more closely related to 
soaring ( i believe part of the title of this digest)
 
By the way ian  , flew the M200 (GTG) a few weeks ago, very sweet. Will write 
something for VT soon
 
cheers
 
 
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> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 12:00:12 +1030
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> 1. Re: The power of the media, was RE: The power of prayer?
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> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 06:56:27 +1000
> From: Mike Borgelt 
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] The power of the media, was RE: The power
> of prayer?
> To: ha...@interweft.com.au, "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring
> in Australia." 
> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.1.20090328062625.0410c...@borgeltinstruments.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> At 04:05 PM 27/03/2009, you wrote:
> 
> 
> While Robert scuba dives through Cairo, the rest of you who may be 
> interested can search for "islamic terror attacks", "islam 
> expansion", "Battle of Tours", " Lepanto"(and read the poem) ,"battle 
> of Vienna 1683", "Barbary coast pirates". I'm sure you will be surprised.
> 
> By the way Robert, nowhere in my post did I class "all people of the 
> Islamic faiths as terrorists". You are obviously reading 
> comprehension challenged. You also left out my reference to ASIC 
> cards. Nice. Care to tell us why we need them?
> 
> The point I was making was in response to Gavin Wrigley's post, that 
> making judgements after due consideration of the facts is not "prejudice".
> 
> Ever consider how if Islam had won at Tours or Lepanto or Vienna 
> there might well have been no renaissance or Western civilization?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Mike Borgelt wrote:
> >>
> >>I'd be just as pissed off if the Captain started using his rosary 
> >>beads but judgements based on verifiable facts such as that we in 
> >>the West are currently under attack by a 1400 year old political 
> >>movement masquerading as a religion, whose adherents want us dead 
> >>or converted to their totalitarian cause and are the cause of much 
> >>strife in the world today as they have been for the last 1400 years 
> >>are not "prejudice".
> >That, I'm afraid, is some of the most bigotted anti-Islamic speech I 
> >have come across. In much the same way that the beliefs on the 
> >extremist fringes of the Christian religion have only a passing 
> >acquaintanceship with the core teachings of Christ, those of the 
> >extreme Islamists also bear little resemblance to the core of Islam.
> >
> >Furthermore, when we in the "educated west" were wallowing in the 
> >dark ages, conducting purges against our fellow Christians (take a 
> >look at the Abigensian "Crusade" as an example), burning 
> >'proscribed' books reporting unacceptable truths and also people for 
> >investigating the real world around them, the Islamic civilisation 
> >was keeping alive the flame of learning and scientific inquiry.
> >
> >Without the preservation and extension of knowledge undertaken by 
> >the Islamic civilisations around the mediterranean, our Renaissance 
> >would have had a hard time getting started.
> >
> >I do not condone and will not accept the behaviour of the terrorists 
> >- but neither will I accept sweeping generalisations that attempt to 
> >class all people of the Islamic faiths as terrorists.
> >
> >I hasten to add I am not an adherent of either religion.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Robert 
> >Hart 
> >ha...@interweft.com.au
> >+61 (0)438 385 533 http:

[Aus-soaring] Insurance options

[gavin wrigley]

Does anyone out there have suggested contacts for glider insurance? I am 
finding that the cost of insuring my (laid up) motorglider rather illogical, to 
put it politely. That is with maximum (25%) no-claim bonus and maximum laid-up 
allowance.

How many insurers do we have for gliders in Australia? Is there any competition?

I can be contacted off-line if preferred, gavi...@hotmail.com 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Zulu Romeo - Good Start

[gavin wrigley]

Alex,

definitely interested and will go along with the best means of distribution.

Gavin.
 


From: acame...@itech.net.au
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 19:40:10 +0930
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Zulu Romeo - Good Start


Hello All - I noticed in a the archives that many are still interested in 
getting a copy of Zulu Romeo - Good Start.  So into the basement I went and 
discovered that during my uni days I managed to track down a copy of the 
original 16mm film reel and got it copied to VHS.  
 
Well, I have just copied it across to DVD format  - so if anyone is interested, 
please let me know and I will figure out how to get a copy out to those that 
would like a copy.  Maybe YouTube might be the best vehicle, although I would 
prefer a central distribution.  Also, on the tape is a short documenterary, 
from the ABC on Hans Werner Grosse as well that travels with him during his 
outback long distance attempts.
 
 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] clubs - extract from Aust Sports Commission

[gavin wrigley]

I'm lost for words. You too?
 


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From: emi...@emilis.sa.on.net
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 08:41:43 +0930
Subject: [Aus-soaring] clubs - extract from Aust Sports Commission



Ten tips for boosting club membership

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Push Rod Seals

[gavin wrigley]

Hiya Peter.

No other response?

I have tried...

a) chamoix type leather tied around the rod and then glued to the wing root 
wall. Soak the leather in dubbin or similar.

b) buy some non-porous waterproof material from a camping shop. Its cheap, 
tough and flexible. Use silicone or other mastic to attach to the wing root 
wall, tie tightly around the push-rod.

Both systems will wear holes in themselves when trailering if the rods dangle 
down and rub on the sides of the holes.

Obviously, this stuff must allow full and free movement of controls.

Boy scouts live on as glider pilots? Or IS there a more modern way?

Gavin. 
 


Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:48:47 +1000
From: robins...@onesteel.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Push Rod Seals


Hi All,
 
I am looking for some advice what material people find best to seal push rods ?
 
Regards
Peter Robinson



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Natfly

[gavin wrigley]

Is this a temperance event?

> From: s...@bigpond.net.au
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:39:09 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Natfly
> 
> Accommodation is drying up quickly 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
> Cleaver
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2009 8:51 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Natfly
> 
> Yes, but perhaps slightly restricted at Temora!
> 
> Wombat
> CFI Temora GC
> (back in Australia again!)
> 
> At 21:22 28/09/2009, you wrote:
> >Congrats to Temora who have secured Natfly for the next 3 years.
> >I guess gliding will be back on in Narromine over Easter.
> >
> >Chris
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider hire

[gavin wrigley]

Slightly used Blanik in the Batchelor hangar. Just remove the dead python and 
add the wings...

Very cheap!!

Gavin.
 
> From: jma99...@bigpond.net.au
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:11:59 +0930
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider hire
> 
> sorry mate, I'm using mine, practice for the vintage rally.
> regards
> JR
> - Original Message - 
> From: "simon holding" 
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> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 7:01 PM
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider hire
> 
> 
> > Just putting my toe in the water here.
> > Does anyone have a glider they are willing to hire out for the Nationals
> > at Waikerie?
> > Regards,
> > Simon Holding
> > 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider hire

[gavin wrigley]

No, its dead and smelly now---still attached to the rat that it choked on.

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:57:12 -0700
From: to...@yahoo.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider hire

Gavin, please confirm  is there a live python on order?
K

--- On Mon, 19/10/09, tom claffey  wrote:

From: tom claffey 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Glider hire
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 

Received: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 11:13 PM

A fine old Discus at Narromine club now!
 :]
Tom

--- On Mon, 19/10/09, simon holding  wrote:

From: simon holding 
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Glider hire
To: "Aus Soaring" 
Received: Monday, 19 October, 2009, 8:31 PM

Just putting my toe in the water here.
Does anyone have a glider they are willing to hire out for the Nationals
at Waikerie?
Regards,
Simon Holding


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21

[gavin wrigley]

I reely reely reely hope this does not slide into another Blanik bashing 
exercise!

From: derek.rudd...@optus.com.au
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 08:48:55 +1100
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21


















Yup, you’re wrong J

When I was looking for a club to learn at,
I tried a couple and rejected them because instead of sleek white fibreglass
machines they had crappy old K13’s

 

 



Cheers

 

Derek



-Original
Message-

From:
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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gary Stevenson

Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009
1:08 AM

To: Discussion
 of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring]
Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21

 



Ian,





I love the passion of your
statements, but REALLY, is a good sideslipping characteristic, a major reason
to love a Bergy - and hate a Puchatek? In any event Mr Quinn seems to think
that the sideslipping characteristic of the Puchatek is "awesome".





 





I have not flown a
Bergfalke. (or a Puchatek for that matter), and I am tempted to add
"Thank God". However I have never yet encountered  a student
that has ever complained (in their abinitio days at least), about their first
training machine, and said straight off that it is inadequate - or worse! In
fact, even when these people have gained enough flying experience, and
flown enough different types, and are therefore in a position to be
able to make some sort of rational comparison, they ALL still regard the
ship that they did their initial training in, with a certain degree of
fondness, despite its foibles and shortcomings. 





 





I will add here (and every club
committee member should keep this very much in the forefront of their thinking
when they are pondering over replacing their aged trainer), that the viewpoint
of a new student will (almost always), be very different to their own. Where
the committee member sees a tired old hack,  the student who has just
come to the club and knows nothing (but truly wishes to fly), will see
 the answer to his/her dreams -a  thing of beauty, and a rare
and spirited steed, that will take them into another world. and indeed they
are perfectly correct!





 





Think about your own experience, and
then dare to call me wrong!





 





Regards,





Gary 







- Original Message - 





From: Ian Mc Phee 





To: Discussion of issues relating to
Soaring in Australia. 





Sent: Thursday,
December 17, 2009 11:37 PM





Subject: Re:
[Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21





 



Give
me a Bergfalke anyday-thats why I left Keepit - that crap KRO3A (a Puchateshit)
I hate them - they have no character -  Bergfalke 3 is the worlds best
sided slipper bar none.-   ask about 600 people who have done their first
solo in a bergfalke..Macca 



2009/12/16 rquinn 





Shouldn’t
be a problem.  With that big elevator the Puchatek goes over easily from
95kts.  Takes a fair bit more dive to get from there to VNE – it
ain’t exactly a slippery ship!

 

It
does do an awesome sideslip.

 

Redmond

 





From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net]
On Behalf Of Ben Jones

Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009
9:39 PM





To: Discussion of issues relating
to Soaring in Australia.







Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring
Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21













 



There is
nothing wrong with a aircraft with a loop entry speed a couple of knots below
VNE, It makes a man out of you 8-)





 





Regards





 





Ben





VH-WKR driver
sometimes





 







- Original
Message - 





From: Stuart Welsby 





To:
Discussion of issues relating to Soaring
in Australia. 





Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 6:49 PM





Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21





 





Very cruel.





 





KRF is much
loved and has been badly missed while the wings have been recovered. It's not a
hot ship to fly but it is getting off the ground and does the job for us pretty
well. 





 





We look
forward to it flying again soon, If I can just locate those scales!





 





Stuart W







- Original
Message - 





From: David Lawley 





To:
aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net






Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:04 AM





Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 75, Issue 21





 











> But why would you take Puchatek wings to the nationals?

> 

> Dave

 





A bonfire perhaps?



 It is a little known fact that Puchatek's don't actually fly, they are so
ugly the ground repels them!   (-:



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Re: [Aus-soaring] Motorfalke distances

[gavin wrigley]

Thats a brilliant flight!
I have made three attempts at a FAI  300km triangle in my Falke (engine off!) 
but have only got as far as 270km before firing up/technically outlanding. From 
Batchelor, using thermals. I know how hard that must be...did they use the 
seabreeze/convergence?

> From: new...@atdot.dotat.org
> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:49:52 +1030
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> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Motorfalke distances
> 
> On January 10th, Igor Blazujevic and Derek Spencer flew 426km engine-off
> in AUGC's Motorfalke.
> 
> They didn't carry an IGC logger or anything with them, and it wasn't
> a declared task, so there's no suggestion that they'll be making any
> kind of claims for the flight...
> 
> ... but it's the kind of epic effort that deserves some kind of 
> recognition, so I'm posting about it here :)
> 
> It does beg the question:  What's the best flight anyone in Australia
> has ever done in a Motorfalke?
> 
>   - mark
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Passenger Flying

[gavin wrigley]

Without addressing the legalities

Its cultural!

And embarrassing if it happens to you. Better they dont offer, as refusal can 
seem difficult for the 'tipper'.

The schweitzer is a bit cultural, too. Lets avoid both! I suppose if we did 
have them it would take the negative pressure off Blaniks,

but now I must be getting dangerously bored and inviting more mud-slinging.

Ho hum.



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To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:20:08 +1030
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Passenger Flying











>From a couple of United States (of America) club 
websites.

Does this happen here?

Q. Should we Tip the Pilot and/or 
Crew?

A. Money is not the reason our pilots are here, however 
if you feel they did a great job and would like to tip, then by all means 
please 
do. Tips are not expected but they are very appreciated. It feels very good 
when someone gives us a tip! 

The line crew (most are high school kids) and desk 
personnel are paid minimum wage and any tip makes them feel on top of the world 
and they talk about it for days!


They use a Schweizer SGS 2-32, but I cannot figure out 
why a second passenger should cost more.

For anyone interested in taking a flight with Angelou, 
the cost is $109 for one person or $198 for two, and gift certificates are 
available.




  
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[Aus-soaring] For sale or lease

[gavin wrigley]

Expressions of interest sought (again!)

VH-GIK, B/C Falke with 1700 limbach. V. good condition. Only 150 hours engine 
time.

King VHF/Transponder, Strobe, GPS, Jaxida canopy cover, Tasman Vario. Oil 
cooler.

Located Darwin. Available mid May.

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Information sort - Redballoon Marketing

[gavin wrigley]

Be careful,

there are several gliding clubs in the UK that lost (are still owed) 
considerable sums of money by a firm of a very similar name. (Though it may not 
be the same people). It collapsed about four years ago, but the directors still 
drove sports cars and had a mansion or two, bought on the proceeds.
Check with the BGGC, Tiger Airways (Staverton airport) and, for that matter, 
the BGA.

Other 'gift voucher' companies often sell vouchers for Trial Flights (by any 
other name). Sometimes the recipients find that they have driven past several 
gliding clubs in order to have their voucher redeemed by a gift voucher-scheme 
participating club.

The name may be a couincidence...but...

Its usually about Grandads birthday. Hardly ever about introducing someone to 
flying.

> From: s...@bigpond.net.au
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:40:00 +1100
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Information sort - Redballoon Marketing
> 
> Ladies and Gents 
> 
> My club has been approached by a marketing company known as "Redballoon"
> about marketing our club. We have read their sales material and looked at
> their web site where we find there are several clubs using them for the same
> purpose they are proposing to us.
> 
> We are requesting feedback from any clubs that are willing to share their
> experiences with this company with us, preferably offline; thanks in
> anticipation. 
> 
> Regards
> 
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> Club Captain 
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> Mob - 0419 797508 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] BGA accidents

[gavin wrigley]

Worthwhile reading.

 

Of interestthe BGA 'Basic' instructor rating requires a very serious effort 
to attain. If reccommended, the candidate has to pay a substantial fee and then 
attend (at least) three days of theory and practical training. There is a sort 
of probation period and then an 'acceptance' test before being allowed to take 
'Trial Lessons'/Air experience flights. Without going into detail, I am sure 
that the training is more thorough than GFA require for a similar privelige. 

 

The UK hase more changeable weather, some 'interesting' airfields, AND 
COMMERCIAL PRESSURE.

 

The fact that these 'Trial' flights have a disproportionate rate of crashery 
has been observed (by the BGA instructors panel) for a while

 

'Basic' Instructors use Trial flights to build experience/hours.

 

The Clubs use this to build revenue. Very few 'Trial Flights' return as 
members...most are revenue earners/grandpa's birthdays etc.

 

Beware the revenue trap/gift certificate/treasurers agenda!!!

 
> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:03:49 +1000
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BGA accidents
> 
> Go here and download the file
> 
> 
> http://www.gliding.co.uk/bgainfo/safety/newsletters.htm
> 
> Seems their trial instructional flights are more dangerous than 
> sporting gliding.
> 
> I don't see any recognition of the real problem though.
> 
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] BGA accidents

[gavin wrigley]

So,

apart from several other issues implicit here,

Beware those Red (Balloons/Letters/Wotevers) gift companies...

the (unwitting) recipients dont always understand why an old git might not want 
to take them on a particular day. They will have been sold a particular 
experience (and the salesman will be nowhere near).  A young git may feel that 
'it will be ok', and try to please.

Gavin.


 


From: m...@knightschallenge.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 10:39:23 +1100
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] BGA accidents




On 31/03/2010, at 13:17 , gavin wrigley wrote:

Worthwhile reading.
 
Of interestthe BGA 'Basic' instructor rating requires a very serious effort 
to attain. If reccommended, the candidate has to pay a substantial fee and then 
attend (at least) three days of theory and practical training. There is a sort 
of probation period and then an 'acceptance' test before being allowed to take 
'Trial Lessons'/Air experience flights. Without going into detail, I am sure 
that the training is more thorough than GFA require for a similar privelige. 



And for me was money well spent. I learnt more about flying and what to expect 
a glider to do in unusual situations in 4 days than in almost 1000 other hours 
flying !!
Also, this course is a pre-requisite to the Assistant Cat Instructor rating 
(Level 1 equivalent). The Ass Cat course is only 2 days as it is a follow on.



 
The UK hase more changeable weather, some 'interesting' airfields, AND 
COMMERCIAL PRESSURE.


And they will continue to fly in weather that we wouldn't open the hanger doors 
here - rain and very strong winds, and they will fly the trial flights in this 
(for the money) -



 
The fact that these 'Trial' flights have a disproportionate rate of crashery 
has been observed (by the BGA instructors panel) for a while
 
'Basic' Instructors use Trial flights to build experience/hours.
 
The Clubs use this to build revenue. Very few 'Trial Flights' return as 
members...most are revenue earners/grandpa's birthdays etc.
 
Beware the revenue trap/gift certificate/treasurers agenda!!!
 


Many UK clubs exist on the basis of trial flight revenue, which subsidises 
normal operation - some clubs get over 50% of their income this way !!!
This probably means that the number of trial flights being conducted is higher 
in proportion to club flights that here.
Also, I read a statistic some years ago that suggested that pilots with between 
50 and 200 hours had the highest rate of accidents (like P platers do driving).
Most UK Basic Instructors have between 50 and 200 hours experience  
  
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Stall warning on gliders Re: NZ Accident Investigation

[gavin wrigley]

But it can be fun!!

And educational!

And very varied in effect!

Know thine enemy? Make it a friend? Become familiar with
the proximities of it? 

Just remember where you are when you are playing with it!

I expect the Pavlovian subjects enjoyed their experiments, as long as they were 
about reward (fun?) not punishment (crashery).

Gavin.

 
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:25:57 +1000
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Stall warning on gliders Re: NZ Accident 
> Investigation
> 
> At 12:59 PM 12/04/2010, you wrote:
> > >Or - just DON'T stall!
> >
> >Yes, that was one of the main responses on the DG website. But it's 
> >a bit like not having ABS brakes. Don't press the pedal too hard!
> >
> >My stall warning indicator failed for a while when it got polish or 
> >something over the probe. However by that time I had a learned a 
> >pavlovian response. I found I knew well before the onset of a stall 
> >because I was attuned to the attitude of the aircraft and the feel 
> >of the controls even though there was no beep.
> >
> >I guess the airbus gives you a similar feeling just before a stall :-)
> >
> >D
> 
> Which nicely sums up the problems with angle of attack 
> indicators(they can fail). So what happened to the DI? I think you 
> should be able to test the device by blowing at the hole in the 
> bottom of the nose. It is common the check the blade type stall 
> warning on power planes at the daily inspection.
> 
> Most glider pilots learn the Pavlovian response while thermalling. 
> You should note that the aircraft can stall at any attitude and speed 
> though and that is where it gets difficult or where the horizon isn't 
> in the usual place due to mountains or at low level or when distracted.
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle

[gavin wrigley]

There's an old saying along the lines of 'if it looks good it will fly well' 
(does anybody remember the correct saying?).

Think about that and a Puchacz. 

Give me a horse-drawn Zeppelin any day, or a Blanik, they both beat the Puch in 
the beauty stakes and I can feel a lot more relaxed when flying them.

Bit like helicopters really...for that matter. They and the Puch are 
repellently (anti-gravity) ugly and will fly well until they go very horribly 
wrong.

Dribble, its the end of the day



Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:19:19 +1000
From: pb2...@gmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle


I am interested in the statement " *all* of the white tape had split" .  I had 
the dubious pleasure :) to be shown the flick roll by Shane McCafrey who's 
ability as well as opinions on maters related to gliding I respect.  I do not 
recall huge g-forces during the maneuver at all.  I am pretty sure that Shane 
mentioned that as the aircraft was stalled, the forces were not great.  

Cheers

Paul



On 15 April 2010 16:37, Morgan  wrote:




It’s too easy to judge Puchacz based on reports like “5 similar spinning 
accidents.”  They were not all similar.  The one that I read contained some 
rather graphic description of the dead instructor’s fingers bloodied from 
trying to grasp the broken rudder cable.
 
They do have a maintenance kit out (not an AD) which addresses this issue.  
Both of our club Puchacz had this modification done as soon as we could get out 
hands on the kit.  In my view as a Form 2 inspector it significantly improves a 
mechanical detail which looked “wrong” and could easily lead to accidents like 
the one I read where the rudder cable had obviously broken before impact and 
made it impossible to get out of the spin.
 
And the type is rated for flick rolls, under some very restrictive 
weight-and-balance limitations (pilot weight between 65 and 69kg on one of 
ours.)  It is a very impressive manoeuvre, particularly for the know-it-all 
hotshot who has no idea how you suddenly entered a full spin from 54 knots 
straight-and-level.  It is also rather humbling for the instructor who thought 
56 knots was good enough and found that *all* of the white tape had split.  
(That was me.)
 
-  Morgan Sandercock
 


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of james crowhurst
Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 11:48 AM
To: aus soaring


Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle


 
Peter,
Puchacz's have had a bad rap lately, particularly on a British glider web-chat 
thing. There they say that the glider is unpredictable and spins too readily, 
sometimes unrecoverable and it has killed people as a result.
 
I have many hours on this type and have in my time 'rung the sh*t out of them'. 
I have always found the type pleasant and does exaclty what you want it to. 
Spin direction reversals are particularly well demonstrated on this type, as 
are stall turns (big rudder). You can flick roll them too (not that i would do 
that myself in a type not rated for it).
 
I don't tend to do this stuff much anymore, much more fun to blast in off 
X-country. However, when you're bored in the middle of winter in the UK doing 
sled rides, it makes the day more interesting.
 
Thats all. 
 
> Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:36:08 +0800
> From: p...@exadios.com
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle
> 
> Hi;
> 
> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010, james crowhurst wrote:
> 
> >
> > I'm concerned that it was dangerously boring. But then again, you wouldn't 
> > want to do a turn or a turn reversal in a Puchacz.it'll spin and kill 
> > you!
> What do you mean?
> 
> >
> > Nice camera angle though! Aeros would be good using that mount.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > From: oz...@bigpond.net.au
> > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> > Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 06:35:33 +1000
> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I am concerned that lookout appears to have been inadequate, especially to 
> > the right hand side.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
> > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Sean 
> > Jorgensen-Day
> > Sent: 11 April 2010 11:05 PM
> > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Another video - different camera angle
> >
> > If you are going to criticise be specific about the issues.
> >
> > What are the issues you are worried about? Explain them.
> >
> > If you do not explain the mere mortals in the real world are not able to 
> > learn.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
> > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Roger 
> > Browne
> > Sent: Sunday, 11 April 2010

[Aus-soaring] address

[gavin wrigley]

Has anyone got an address (email) for David John Goodley. Last seen in the 
Northern Territory (!) with a slightly used Hornet, VH-GMU.

Probably best reply direct to me (gavi...@hotmail.com) if you can.

Thanks. Gavin Wrigley. 
 
  
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[Aus-soaring] good and bad

[gavin wrigley]

Thought y'all might like some news from the UK...good and bad.

 

This link to a BBC programme that covered the new eurocontrol threat to 
gliding...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/regions/east_midlands/8752013.stm

 

And on a better note, we just finished the Midland regionals and had nine 
competition days out of a possible nine! Everybody was stunned...it has hardly 
ever happened over here due to normal weather (and dont forget that the brits 
will compete in utter murk and just about impossible conditions). Even more 
remarkable, the winner won by a margin of ONE point!
  
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Incident in the UK

[gavin wrigley]

Not too much known at the moment, but I believe that the glider was a Foka. 
 
> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 12:34:24 +1000
> From: p...@internode.on.net
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Incident in the UK
> 
> 
> I do not like the Twin Astir wing connection system because it is hard 
> to check that the connectors are in the correct position. Just checking 
> them can inadvertently disconnect them!
> PeterS
> >
> > On 12/08/2010 10:07 AM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
> >> It is possible to fly and not have the wings come off even without 
> >> the main pin on a Slingsby Kestrel.
> >>
> >> Happened to a pilot I knew in the UK. Fortunately the wings didn't 
> >> part company until the end of the landing roll after an auto tow 
> >> when he noticed that BOTH wingtips were resting on the ground.
> >>
> >> Sounds like this may have been a K13. Anybody know for sure? The 
> >> Brits had a wing come off a K7 a few years ago under similar 
> >> circumstances IIRC.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> At 09:15 AM 12/08/2010, you wrote:
> >>> From several reports you can perhaps read between the lines that the 
> >>> wings both fell off at the top of a winch launch.
> >>> Aircraft was rigged and flown once previously in the day.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - Original Message - From: "Dave Donald" 
> >>> To: "aus-soaring" 
> >>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 8:20 AM
> >>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Incident in the UK
> >>>
> >>>
>  Does anyone know anything about this?
> 
>  http://www.news.com.au/world/woman-killed-when-wings-fall-off-glider/story-e6frfkyi-1225904193456
>   
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> 
>  Dave
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Re: [Aus-soaring] UK airspace incursion

[gavin wrigley]

I believe that is exactly what Chris Rollings, the then National Coach, did to 
all known helicopter organisations several years ago. It may have helped,

but certainly did not stop overflights of winch sites. In my experience here in 
the UK the main offenders do seem to be helicopters. Perhaps a greater 
proportion of

them cruise at heights that can make overflying problematic, ie below 3000'.

 

The debacle at Silverstone has got everyone cringing, quite rightly. Whilst the 
fact remains about pilot reponsibility for avoiding infringements of airspace, 
there is no

doubt that the organisers of this comp. are culpable in (inadvertently) setting 
up a trap (for young players...as the saying goes). The recriminations are 
still rebounding

off various walls.  The blame and punishments may change, but for the larger 
gliding fraternity much damage has been done.

 

In relation to the military use of airspace...they do provide the best 
surprises. There's no surprise when looking at the pilot of the 182 that just 
blindly/unflinchingly 

drove past (what is on the chart that is so absorbing?) but they are often in 
'usual' places. The two Tornado's at 700' agl and right up next to the ridge 
that my

Ka13 was using is memorable. So were the Red Arrows transiting at @ 500' 
directly overhead the field that I had just landed in, and the Vulcan that 
followed the same track

ten minutes later. They would have seen me, I trust, should they have been 
there when I was still in circuit and inspecting the field, but I didnt have, 
at the time, 'other traffic' 

in my WSSSO field landing check.

 

We have to be alert to other users, and also a tad philosophical?

  
 


Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 05:04:30 -0700
From: to...@yahoo.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] UK airspace incursion





Send them some winch wire and tell them what it does!  :]

--- On Thu, 26/8/10, Christopher Mc Donnell  wrote:


From: Christopher Mc Donnell 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] UK airspace incursion
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 

Received: Thursday, 26 August, 2010, 3:16 PM





At Adelaide Hills Soaring Group, a winch club clearly marked on the WAC chart, 
three army helicopters flew right over the top at well below launch release 
height during operations. Complaints elicited no response or apology and 
certainly not a visit by the army to buy beers. 
Australian military culture is never to admit anything under any circumstances. 
These were the instructions when I was in the RANR and also when we did joint 
training with the army.  Those RAF personel mentioned in previous posts would 
have got disciplined here for giving their apologies.
 
Chris

- Original Message - 
From: Derek Ruddock 
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] UK airspace incursion



That’s not really an excuse to fly 2 abreast at 600ft agl over a gliding site  
that has been there for 50 plus years: the wire, had they been seconds earlier 
could have really spoilt their day...(Mine too!)


From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Gage
Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2010 9:04 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] UK airspace incursion
 
That's because the UK military don't have their own dedicated airspace - they 
use class G along with everyone else, with controllers alerting them to radar 
returns - which can and do see gliders, even wood and fabric. 

 

I heard another story (again from sutton bank), 2 friends were in wave at about 
10,000' when a tornado flew between them when they were 200m apart. The 
controller had filtered their returns out as they weren't moving. Both the 
controller and pilot visited the club that evening to apologise and buy beers.

 

Why Australia needs vast areas of restricted airspace for the 425 military 
aircraft is beyond me, when the UK makes do with no airspace (outside of class 
D round the bigger airfields) for 1589 military aircraft (data sourced from 
wikipedia).

 

 

 


On 26/08/2010, at 8:20 , Derek Ruddock wrote:





Or the time I launched off the winch at Yorkshire Gliding club at Sutton Bank, 
after releasing the wire and doing my checks, I had 2 Tornados roar past, 
directly underneath me...

 



From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of jim crowhurst
Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2010 10:14 PM
To: anthony.sm...@adelaide.on.net; aus soaring
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] UK airspace incursion

 

Often was the case that I would stand there in the morning, whist mopping the 
morning dew off the wings of my glider, with the roar of Harrier GR3's 
dogfighting directly above at around 6000ft. (INteresting to see their tactics 
with variable thrust). The airspace abov

Re: [Aus-soaring] Tip camera

[gavin wrigley]

As its a puchacz you could probably get an old Bell and Howell 16mm film camera 
from an op shop and strap it on with the sort of webbing that the (Dads ) army 
uses,

not as sexy as gaffer tape but more in keeping with the general design subtlety.

 


 


Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 13:16:55 -0300
From: carlric...@gmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Tip camera

Does anyone know of/or how to install a tip camera or anytype of camera on a 
Puchacz so we can make those cool videos you see on youtube?
The sugestions i heard so far involve a lot of duct tape. I certainly dont want 
to drill a wingtip but theres a tie down hole close to the rollerwheel on the 
wingtips. Maybe that could be used for something. 
Does anyone have any building plans of a camerahosding device or something?
Thanks guys,
Carl

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement

[gavin wrigley]

I couldnt agree more, Ian.

 

In addition to 'chivvying' those who have already evidenced some interest by 
taking a flight, lets get a bit more smart about those we pitch our market to.

I have already revealed my disinterest in the treadmill of gift 
companies/grandpa's birthday/air experience flights. Fine, dont refuse them, 
but they wont create new members.

Lets make it easy for other pilots to try (or re-try!) gliding. Include model 
aircraft enthusiasts, hang gliders, RAA and GA pilots. They have already 
revealed their susceptibility.

 

And dont just plod through 'effects of controls', perhaps done by a relatively 
new instructorunless that instructor has initiative, enthusiasm, some 
soaring skills and the ability

to demonstrate the 'Joy of Soaring'. Show what is possible after plodding 
through the 'effects of controls'...gliding IS different!

 

For that matterwhat about schoolchildren? 

 

If anyone wants to know more about the highly successful 'Flying' course that 
is PART OF THE SCHOOL PROGRAMME for all of the year 10 students at a school on 
Darwin then I am

happy to give details, and a professionally produced DVD is available.

 

Quite a number of established/confirmed/advanced glider pilots have shown 
interest in the fact that such a programme exists, and has done for ten 
consecutive years now.

But not one, to my knowledge, even though they expressed great approval for the 
idea, has tried to introduce anything similar in their locality.

 

Its pissing with rain here in the UK. Thats my excuse for so many posts in such 
a short time! 


 


Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:26:50 +1000
From: mrsoar...@gmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement

Gary+ others,


Meant to say think we (GFA and CLUBS) need to convert try and convert as many 
as possible 3 month into 12 months memberships.  Thus I think 3 month members 
should get a letter one month out explaining their options for the future and I 
would do a McDonnalds "we have a special for you upgrade your 3months to 12 
months by paying $xxx (about $150 or whatever) but you must do it by expiry 
date of say Oct30"  One week before they get email reminder and on the day send 
a SMS to UPGRADE TODAY.  These days I insure with Bingle (online version of 
AAMI at 2/3 the price) and at 12noon of exp day I get an SMS and go on line and 
it is paid. It works for AAMI.


So my thoughts are McDonnalds upgrade, or do you want to buy this weeks special 
at Supercheap or top up your phone credit before a certain date to keep your 
credit. Even Woollies fuel is spend $5 on 2 milk and get another 4c/lit off so 
milk costs $1 a litre


Importantly lets all do something rather than sit on our hands till the last 
person has to turn out the lights


Any other ideas out there?


Ian McPhee






   




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Re: [Aus-soaring] *SPAM* RE: Death of a Movement

[gavin wrigley]

t aged 15/18 yo. Total of club membership
and GFA is $76, which, coupled with a winch launch charge of $12 which gives a
launch of 1,800/2'000 ft. We hope it is an offer to good to refuse. There
are 90 AAFC cadets in our area and the hope is we will build up a cadre of
young pilots . When AAFC cadets come to our club to fly an AAFC sponsored
flight they tell us that aerotow etc. makes gliding unaffordable for them.
Hopefully our initiatives will change all that.





 





What disturbs me is that LKSC has approached both GFA and
NSWGA asking for help to reduce the GFA membership charge commensurate to
our clubs contribution and so far only got a flat no. The generous donor
currently subsidising junior membership can't be expected to continue  The
future of our dying sport must be in attracting new members, preferably young
ones, so the refusal of GFA and NSWGA to help is pretty dismal. 





 





The future of our sport is the responsibility of us all. How
many writing emails are actually doing something really constructive? Certainly
Paul Mander who wrote the following email but how many others,





 





Harry Medlicott





 





 





 





 





 





- Original Message - 











From: Paul
Mander 





To: 'Discussion of issues relating to
Soaring in Australia.' 





Sent: Friday, August 27,
2010 8:37 AM





Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring]
Death of a Movement





 





There is a club near Sydney
that has become so dependent on joy rides that they have 32 listed instructors
but just 125-ish flying members, no cross country or competition curriculum.
They run a full time operation yet cry poor. I may be overstating it, but not
by much. Is this what you’re talking about? What should be a worry for
our sport is that they are the first point of contact with gliding for nearly ¼
the population of Australia.

 









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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of gavin wrigley

Sent: Friday, 27 August 2010 7:46
AM

To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Death
of a Movement



 

I couldnt
agree more, Ian.

 

In addition to 'chivvying' those who have already evidenced some interest by
taking a flight, lets get a bit more smart about those we pitch our market to.

I have already revealed my disinterest in the treadmill of gift
companies/grandpa's birthday/air experience flights. Fine, dont refuse them,
but they wont create new members.

Lets make it easy for other pilots to try (or re-try!) gliding. Include model
aircraft enthusiasts, hang gliders, RAA and GA pilots. They have already
revealed their susceptibility.

 

And dont just plod through 'effects of controls', perhaps done by a
relatively new instructorunless that instructor has initiative, enthusiasm,
some soaring skills and the ability

to demonstrate the 'Joy of Soaring'. Show what is possible after plodding 
through
the 'effects of controls'...gliding IS different!

 

For that matterwhat about schoolchildren? 

 

If anyone wants to know more about the highly successful 'Flying' course that
is PART OF THE SCHOOL PROGRAMME for all of the year 10 students at a school on
Darwin then I am

happy to give details, and a professionally produced DVD is available.

 

Quite a number of established/confirmed/advanced glider pilots have shown
interest in the fact that such a programme exists, and has done for ten
consecutive years now.

But not one, to my knowledge, even though they expressed great approval for the
idea, has tried to introduce anything similar in their locality.

 

Its pissing with rain here in the UK. Thats my excuse for so many
posts in such a short time! 



 







Date: Thu,
26 Aug 2010 08:26:50 +1000

From: mrsoar...@gmail.com

To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement



Gary+ others, 



 





Meant to
say think we (GFA and CLUBS) need to convert try and convert as many as
possible 3 month into 12 months memberships.  Thus I think 3 month members
should get a letter one month out explaining their options for the future and I
would do a McDonnalds "we have a special for you upgrade your 3months to
12 months by paying $xxx (about $150 or whatever) but you must do it by expiry
date of say Oct30"  One week before they get email reminder and on
the day send a SMS to UPGRADE TODAY.  These days I insure with Bingle
(online version of AAMI at 2/3 the price) and at 12noon of exp day I get an SMS
and go on line and it is paid. It works for AAMI.





 





So my
thoughts are McDonnalds upgrade, or do you want to buy this weeks special at
Supercheap or top up your phone credit before a certain date to keep your
credit. Even Woollies fuel is spend $5 on 2 milk and get another 4c/lit off so
milk costs $1 a litre





 





Importantly
lets all do something rather t

Re: [Aus-soaring] Service contract

[gavin wrigley]

I didnt see earlier postings on this,
but,
Following GFA advice I recently had to take a perfectly functioning Limbach 
1700 out of my Falke and buy/install a new one.
Lots of excellent help from the 'hands on' GFA people, notably the SA RTOA, 
Nigel.
But why? An identical engine in the GA section of the VH register can go 'on 
condition' for a lot longer.
As I operate the aircraft in an educational context with school students I had 
no choice but to follow
the legal bottom line. Legislative oversight, I understand, failed to put the 
appropriate words into the documents that
cover GFA VH registered aircraft. I was told that this anomaly was to be 
addressed 'in the future'.
I wonder..

> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:02:37 +1000
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Service contract
> 
> At 06:35 PM 30/08/2010, you wrote:
> >Off list.
> >
> >On 30/08/2010, at 17:56, emilis prelgauskas  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > This applies to motorgliders with engines 'out of hours' but 
> > conforming to condition 'as-inspected'
> >
> >Don't think so. If you have some docs to point to I'd like to hear 
> >about it; but last time I checked there was no provision for an 
> >engine in a GFA aircraft to be operated "on-condition."
> >
> >My checking specifically concerned FQW, fwiw, and presented the 
> >exact scenario you just described as a question, which received an 
> >answer in the negative. It doesn't matter anymore since it's been 
> >reengined anyway, but if that was a bad assessment I wouldn't mind 
> >seeing it in black and white.
> >
> >- mark
> 
> There certainly are motorgliders operating with engines within hours 
> but out of calendar overhaul life.
> 
> Funny that CASA allows private VH registered aircraft to operate 
> engines past manufacturers TBO hours , "on condition".
> 
> Your GFA at work, shielding glider pilots from unreasonable and 
> oppressive CASA regulation!
> 
> Mike
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement

[gavin wrigley]

Gdday Grant.
Got a bit more time
 
If you write/email The Essington School in Darwin and contact David Cannon, the 
principal, he will no doubt send on a copy of the  DVD made recently
about the school 'Flying' programme. We have operated it for ten years now. Reg 
Moore, from SA, has been involved and has a copy as well. The school 
commissioned the DVD production, it is primarily from an educational 
value/school promotion point of view, but will explain a lot. Most of all, it 
shows how powerful the experience is
for the participants. 
 
It was also written up in an Australian Soaring magazine in 2008 (or 2009). The 
ABC in Darwin produced a 'Stateline' story on it a few years ago.
 
The programme requires some innovation (courage?) on the part of the school, 
and is perhaps more likely to be adopted by a private school simply due to their
relative autonomy. Everyone enquires about the cost. Parents contribute $150, 
the rest is met by the school.  
 
Basically the year 10's get some in-school theory and preparation. They have 
four flying lessons each, of @35 mins each. An 'advanced' group is selected
and invited to do more.
 
The DVD shows the use of aerotow on one of the years. Not cost effective! A 
motor Falke (or similar) is the best option. Winching could also be 
cost-effective given sufficient volunteer expertise, and useful weather. 

The students are always positive about the experience, and so is the school, 
parental community and staff. It is a great pity that the Club in Darwin is 
effectively defunct. There are a few very experienced instructors there...but 
guess what...they fly Ultralights! Thats another story.
 
I have no doubt that a substantial number of students would have joined the 
club had there been an active one. I am sure that (possibly like the cadets) 
several will take up 
the opportunity to fly later on, when circumstances allow. Unlike the cadets, 
this catchment covers ALL of the students, including many for whom the thought 
that they may/could
learn to fly never entered their mind. We had two 'full blood' Aboriginal 
students on the last course, and their community/school wants to do some more 
whenever I can arrange it.
 
More specific details can be afforded to those who may want to enquire directly.
 
I have cc'd this to the general soaring list in case any others are interested.

 

Gavin Wrigley  
 
 






From: gr...@davies.id.au
To: gavi...@hotmail.com
Subject: FW: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement
Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2010 12:40:54 +1000









Hi Gavin,
 
I am from the Bundaberg Gliding Club and was interested in your post to the 
Aus-Soaring List.
 
I am very interested in your comments about a Flying course for schools and DVD.
 
Together with one of our younger members we have been discussing doing 
something like this for our schools.
 
If you can forward me more details that would be wonderful. 
 
If we don’t have to reinvent the wheel that would be great.
 

Kindest Regards
 
Grant Davies
m. 0419 818 315
f. 07 41 54 14 36
e. gr...@davies.id.au
 


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of gavin wrigley
Sent: Friday, 27 August 2010 07:46 AM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Death of a Movement
 
I couldnt agree more, Ian.
 
In addition to 'chivvying' those who have already evidenced some interest by 
taking a flight, lets get a bit more smart about those we pitch our market to.
I have already revealed my disinterest in the treadmill of gift 
companies/grandpa's birthday/air experience flights. Fine, dont refuse them, 
but they wont create new members.
Lets make it easy for other pilots to try (or re-try!) gliding. Include model 
aircraft enthusiasts, hang gliders, RAA and GA pilots. They have already 
revealed their susceptibility.
 
And dont just plod through 'effects of controls', perhaps done by a relatively 
new instructorunless that instructor has initiative, enthusiasm, some 
soaring skills and the ability
to demonstrate the 'Joy of Soaring'. Show what is possible after plodding 
through the 'effects of controls'...gliding IS different!
 
For that matterwhat about schoolchildren? 
 
If anyone wants to know more about the highly successful 'Flying' course that 
is PART OF THE SCHOOL PROGRAMME for all of the year 10 students at a school on 
Darwin then I am
happy to give details, and a professionally produced DVD is available.
 
Quite a number of established/confirmed/advanced glider pilots have shown 
interest in the fact that such a programme exists, and has done for ten 
consecutive years now.
But not one, to my knowledge, even though they expressed great approval for the 
idea, has tried to introduce anything similar in their locality.
 
Its pissing with rain here in the UK. Thats my excuse for so many posts in s

Re: [Aus-soaring] Training via Simulator

[gavin wrigley]

I presume that most of you are aware of the 'experiment' conduted at Lasham 
about six years ago. An ab initio student went solo (aerotow) after (I think) 
20 flights...18 were on a simulator.

The story will be in S&G somewhere.

I 'flew' the simulator at the YGC at Sutton Bank yesterday. Very impressive, 
built by club members, and surprisingly cheap. The only cost was in the 
components,

standard computers, projectors (3), software, plywood, paint and a dead Puchatz 
(hooray!!).

A fantastic tool for a club/training organisation.

But it just aint the real thing!  
 


From: rbuel...@hotmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 15:58:54 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Training via Simulator




And first solo is conducted on an UAV where the on board computer takes 
seamlessly over if the pilot makes a stupid mistake :-)
 
Rolf
 
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 12:53:51 +1000
> From: gr...@actionforms.com.au
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Training via Simulator
> 
> The Lismore Aero club have a PC with dual screens and a joystick running a
> flight simulator. Current students show new students how to use the
> simulator and fly circuits. New students don't get to fly aircraft until
> they can successfully complete circuits on the simulator.
> 
> This reduces costs for the students and wear on the training aircraft and
> instructors.
> 
> It's about time gliding started using technology to help people learn to fly.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Greg.
> 
> 
> 
> > The software is Condor as far as I know, which is certainly capable of
> > spinning, but I doubt the simulator will accurately represent the 'feel'
> > of
> > it.
> >
> > I have demonstrated spins in condor to people before and it's great for
> > demonstrating rate of height loss as well as airspeed in a fully developed
> > spin. Conventional recovery procedure works the same as usual.
> >
> > I do not think anyone is (yet?) advocating for simulators to replace
> > conventional two-seat training, but rather to supplement it. One could do
> > several hundred circuits in a simulator over the course of a day, whereas
> > the best I've managed at my club is probably six.
> >
> > ~Matthew~
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Mike Borgelt <
> > mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com> wrote:
> >
> >> At 11:02 AM 30/09/2010, you wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've seen a few gliding simulators come and go, and this is without a
> >>> doubt the most promising with regards to meaningful training of new
> >>> pilots.
> >>> Hope to see you all there!
> >>> -- Forwarded message --
> >>> From: Andrew Wright <
> >>> andrew.wri...@adelaide.edu.au>
> >>> Date: Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 10:28 AM
> >>> Subject: [Ascmembers] Exciting new developements in Gliding Simulator
> >>>
> >>> Hi Everyone.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> This is one not to be missed!.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A new motion interactive gliding simulator will be demonstrated at the
> >>> next SAGA Winter lecture.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Does it spin?
> >>
> >> Must ask because that seems to be the first question asked by
> >> Australians
> >> when a new two seat basic training glider is mentioned.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] "Super Motor Falke" and towing

[gavin wrigley]

Lasham have used Falkes for years.

A thought

They really need wind assistance for the initial ground-run. If you have a 
cast-in stone runway direction, and are subject to cross-winds, then you will 
find it almost impossible to get adequate aileron purchase (ie avoid droping a 
wing) on many take-offs.

If you have a large green field and can vary the vector for take off to be more 
directly into wind then not so much of a problem.

This is true of the most recent/more powerful Falkes...not just the limbach's.

 
> Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 16:40:25 +1000
> From: mrsoar...@gmail.com
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] "Super Motor Falke" and towing
> 
> falkes for towing are based on serial number(see GFA AN on falkes and
> towing) -Lasham converted theirs to Rotax falke but do not consider
> that option. KISS fixed prop 912S or even 914-falkes are built tough
> over the years less than 5 ADs-no slipstream-ask Katja at Scheibe
> Aircraft. Ian Mcphee (see my article about 10years ago in Aus Gliding)
> 
> On 29/09/2010, Richard Skinner  wrote:
> > Appreciated Adam. Interesting link as well. I'll certainly follow up the
> > Lasham club and see what they are up to.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard Skinner
> >
> >
> >
> >  skinn...@bigpond.net.au
> >
> >
> >
> > 08 8431 8249
> >
> > 0419 818 024
> >
> >
> >
> > If you want to grow old as a pilot, you've got to know
> > when to push it, and when to back off. Chuck Yeager
> >
> >
> >
> > P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Adam Webb
> > Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2010 7:36 PM
> > To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] "Super Motor Falke" and towing
> >
> >
> >
> > Lasham in the UK use Rotax Falke occasionally for towing, so they'd know a
> > fair bit. Plenty of other people in the UK doing similar things.
> >
> >
> >
> > Google finds
> > http://www.aviationkb.com/Uwe/Forum.aspx/soaring/2928/Motorglider-Tug .
> >
> >
> >
> > Ta
> >
> >
> >
> > Adam
> >
> >
> >
> > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of rolf a.
> > buelter
> > Sent: Wednesday, 29 September 2010 7:20 PM
> > To: aus soaring
> > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] "Super Motor Falke" and towing
> >
> >
> >
> > The C-Falke is certainly used regularly for towing in Germany.
> >
> > Rgds - Rolf
> >
> >
> > _
> >
> > From: skinn...@bigpond.net.au
> > To: Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 15:27:00 +0930
> > Subject: [Aus-soaring] "Super Motor Falke" and towing
> >
> > Does anybody out there have any information regarding the launching of
> > gliders by Motor Falke, or indeed, any other motor glider that may be used
> > to launch? I'm not aware of it in Australia but I understand that there may
> > be some such happening in Europe? I am aware of Ultra lights acting as tugs
> > but I'm specifically interested in motor gliders.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard Skinner
> >
> >
> >
> >  skinn...@bigpond.net.au
> >
> >
> >
> > 08 8431 8249
> >
> > 0419 818 024
> >
> >
> >
> > If you want to grow old as a pilot, you've got to know
> > when to push it, and when to back off. Chuck Yeager
> >
> >
> >
> > P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Aus-soaring] NZ South Island comps.

[gavin wrigley]

Two damaged heels...six weeks in plaster/wheelchair...
Another competitor, George Wills, saw it happen and circled overhead for two 
hours until the (heavy/winch capable) helicopter located the crash...the epirb 
was incidental.
There are one or two valleys not to get trapped in (Timaru Creek in this case).
 


From: wommamuku...@bigpond.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 07:49:36 +1030
Subject: [Aus-soaring] NZ South Island comps.





Yesterday, outlanding, broken ankle only. EPIRB saved the day.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] 2010 grand prix concept.

[gavin wrigley]

Yes, a nice video...good visuals. I shall have to expand my 'spin awareness'  
training patter though.
 


Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:13:08 +1000
From: pb2...@gmail.com
To: m...@mca.nu; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] 2010 grand prix concept.

Nice video, but the alas the Earth is unlikely to be saved. I do not think that 
there is enough of those "very clever people, typically airline captains" to 
make difference :).

Cheers

Paul



On 28 November 2010 13:00, mart  wrote:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KU5q1Nry6Y
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Alice Springs

[gavin wrigley]

Well I can give you some information from a 'veteran's perspective...having 
piggybacked on Hans Werners efforts during the early eighties and gained (for a 
while) two standard class records. Hans Werner was operating from the Alice 
Springs airport but very readily shared his met information and his tow pilot 
and aircraft (Miles Carrington) with a small group of us operating from Bond 
Springs...once he had definitely started his task. There were some other 
Germans, I think a Mr Muller was one of them, trying for their National records 
out of Bond Springs.Brian's dates are the best information you can have. 
Climate change is real but I'm sure that the best window of opportunity is 
still at the same period. Even back then there were times (HWG went there for 
several consecutive years) when no significant long flights were possible due 
to known poor weather (the itcz to the north, for example), or just plain 
uncertainty due to the large area west of Alice that had (in those days) no 
real met information. That factor has changed a lot.If only two weeks can be 
planned for then there is quite a strong possibility that the conditions may 
not be good enough for very long flights...that statement applies to almost 
anywhere...but smaller tasks, perhaps speed tasks, could still be done.Bond 
Springs (home of the Alice Springs Gliding Club) is a fine site...near town...a 
good strip. The relatively low controlled airspace immediately above the field 
can be managed easily as the controllers have always been very understanding 
and cooperative. I trust that this has not changed in recent years. To operate 
out of the main Airport, as Hans Werner did, probably brings in more 
difficulties than advantages, and would certainly require a very high standard 
of airmanship and communication skills...extra workload for a pilot with an 
ambitious task.The terrain requires respect...outlanding is close to crashery 
and the whole area is extremely 'remote'. But the thermals can be out of this 
world...and I'd recommend oxygen and survival kit be carried.   
 From: gstev...@bigpond.com
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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2011 21:24:14 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Alice Springs










JR,
Yes ...I  agree ... but WPP is not a 
mind reader!. 
 
What about giving him some contact details for 
these people - I suggest off list - but with a posting to indicate that you 
have 
done this.  If you don't have the details, please say so, as of 
course how to make contact these pilots will be WPP's next question. 

 
Nine words in your 
posting??? I suspect that Mr Webster (of dictionary fame), would 
turn in his grave! [Now's there's an opening that might give you lots 
of scope for reply.]
 
Brian du Rieu's post seems to me to be very 
valuable.
 
Simon Holding is/was a contributor to this 
forum. He is another pilot who can possibly help out WPP. I will try 
to play "marriage broker" here. [JR  here is more fertile ground in 
which you might like to sow a few seeds - I am missing your recent lack 
of unique comment on this site!]
 
Regards,
Gary
 
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 

  From: 
  JR 
  
  To: Discussion of issues relating 
  to Soaring in Australia. 
  Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 6:33 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Alice 
  Springs
  

  talk to Tom Bird, Kev Roberts or Bert 
  Perssons
  
  

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Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF fees, Funding, and the Demise of Gliding

[gavin wrigley]

I have been (fairly) quietly fuming about the AEF fees for a while now. This 
year the NAGC (Reg Moore and I in reality) instructed  sixty teenagers over a 
dedicated five weeks. We have been doing this for eleven consecutive 
years...the number has risen steadily each year. This yearI learned on a friday 
that the fee was to go up to $30 on the following sunday. What is worse...it 
has to be paid for in advance. Several times I have tried to get this (school) 
programme to be viewed in a similar manner to the cadets...less than full price 
and paid for after the event. The reply from the GFA was 'no' and the reason 
given was that 'clubs have been taking the money and not passing it on'. There 
was a time when I was very proud to be as active a member of the GFA as I could 
be. I used to cite the organisation as an excellent example of low cost and 
highly effective administration.I have been a GFA member since 1975, but still 
evidently I am not trusted to be honest with the AEF fees.Have the cadet 
officers/administrators got a track record like that?I now have to find $1800 
in advance to run the programme. I have to ensure that each student gets their 
four lessons within the miniscule timeframe. I have to do the triplicate 
bullshit IN ADVANCE for every student (therefore get a signature from every 
parent in advance). Just a bit of a nightmare!  In short...the GFA has turned 
into another self-serving beaurocratic office. And it is a hindrance-not a 
help-to operations. The GFA in its present form is going to drive me 
awaynever mind new members. But then the new members dont renew anyway, do 
they?Costs are rising all around us. So be it. Why the restricted time frame 
for these AEF's? Why not a 3 month membership?And on the bigger picture...I see 
several excellent VOLUNTARY GFA office bearers doing a lot for the sport and 
their colleagues. But I also see more money and less help coming from Central 
Office.I belong to the BGA and GNZ as well. Dont get the same dismay when I 
deal with them. 
 From: gstev...@bigpond.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 00:33:36 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] AEF fees, Funding, and the Demise of Gliding










Hi Macca, JR, & All,
A couple of very nice postings, that gives some 
perspective, on this vexing subject.
 
Yeah the AEF fee to GFA is large, but I have never 
heard of any AEF person bucking about this. I very much suspect that much of 
this is because they really don't understand just what is going on here 
(despite 
a briefing by an experienced  club member, and "signing their life 
away")!  Possibly they are focused on the goal, which is of course as it 
should be - to go flying. 
 

However if you bother to read 
the communications from the GFA, you will find that this fee has been set 
on the basis that "somebody" has to pay for the administration of our sport. In 
a nutshell under the current thinking, if the AEF 
people don't contribute, then it is YOU who must pay 
more. It is all about balancing the books.
 
In the very short term, Macca's 
response now leads me to suggest the following: Keep the AEF fee the same, 
but increase the 3 day membership to 3 months. { I suspect that the current 
number of 3 month memberships is VERY low.} I haven't done any 
research here, but I bet that my proposal will not make the 
slightest bit of difference to revenue collected, and JUST MAYBE it might get 
the movement an additional member or ten  which will of course actually 
increase revenue a bit - but revenue raising is not - just to make it crystal 
clear - the prime goal of the exercise.
 
However let me say once again, for about the 
hundredth time, that the basic problem is political, and until the GFA board 
acknowledges this, and then sets about seriously - lets start with say 
$500,000 seriously, expended on this over the next few 
years - addressing this issue, this sport will continue to 
slide, possibly into oblivion: Note again JR's comment about the "little 
clubs" disappearing. This is of course followed by the "big clubs" 
disappearing: 
QED!
 
It is very interesting that just 
one member of the gliding movement, (let alone anyone on the board), 
has ever bothered to make comment on my suggestion about a political solution 
to 
the problem, and that one comment was not at all favourable. Are GFA members so 
lacking in foresight that they cannot see the problem? I find this hard to 
believe, but then again, I guess the Dodo did not expect to become extinct 
either!
 
Gliding administration is growing increasingly 
complex - read increasingly more expensive. The Federal Government doles out a 
pittance to the GFA to administer the sport. If you have missed my 
earlier comment on the subject, let me reiterate that the quantum paid 
is nothing less than a bloody insult. The GFA Board must surely be aware of the 
issues I have raised. The question that then arises is "Why does the GFA 
board not address these is

[Aus-soaring] incredible

[gavin wrigley]

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Re: [Aus-soaring] incredible

[gavin wrigley]

I did not post this. Its a spam...my address book has been hacked/used by these 
idiots, as has several other peoples.
Sorry for the inconvenience, but please understand that I did not initiate it.
 
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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 08:39:51 +1100
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Yes.  Incredible that you would post this junk on here.  Who wants to pay $15 
on the off –chance of winning a prize? Roger Browne   
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[Aus-soaring] Airborne Follies

[gavin wrigley]

Thought that you flatlanders might like to see what I think is an excellent 
video clip taken from a Taurus whilst ridge soaring Mt Cook. Miles Davis 
enhancing the audio vario. This was the first sector in an attempt to fly the 
Taurus in stages from Omarama to the Bay of Islands. The Canterbury plains 
gloom spoiled the next bit, until rescued by the cook strait ferry. A short 
flight from Paraparam to a sheepy field after that, then a trailer through the 
gloom to the Bay of Islands in time for (more) rain and floods. Lets hear it 
for the mountains! The only place to fly? The Taurus (self launching) 
motorglider is classified as an ultra/microlight aircraft, but falls within the 
governance of the GNZ if glider pilots want to operate it. I wonder why GFA 
cannot be so flexible.http://youtu.be/fd-qhgXssA8
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Re: [Aus-soaring] sailplane service

[gavin wrigley]

Very well said, Emilis!
 > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> From: emi...@emilis.sa.on.net
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 08:34:45 +1030
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] sailplane service
> 
> 
> from Wombat:
> "Since Schneiders no longer exist as a company I am presuming their 
> type certificates are held by either CASA or GFA... either way we pay 
> for maintaining them through our subs, and would probably have to pay 
> more if some private individual had obtained the TCs fifteen or twenty 
> years ago. I doubt Mr Eckey would have the capacity to fund them for 
> investigating ongoing Service Difficulty reports."
> 
> 
> My understanding is that the CASA payments and the work by gliding 
> volunteers over decades which created MOSPs was about creating 
> precisely that ability for on-going service of sailplanes as a parallel 
> path to manufacturers.
> It was in anticipation of not having to rely on specific organisations 
> by giving a route for spreading knowledge and skills across the entire 
> sport.
> 
> The success of this approach has been proven a number of times. Because 
> Oz tends to get lots of hours onto airframes before this occurs 
> elsewhere.
> So when Europeans said - wood airframes have a max 10 year operating 
> life in the 1960s; Oz glider pilots were able to say 'bs' and create 
> MOSP processes which kept them flying
> So when East Europeans said - you know L13s only have a 3300hour life, 
> Oz glider pilots were able to say 'we have L13s with 7000 hours and a 
> MOSP regime for inspection and maintenance which kept them flying'.
> 
> It seems only since we got GFA officers with no corporate knowledge 
> about how the sport works (and no backbone), that conversations have 
> become about creating reasons for not going flying.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] certification

[gavin wrigley]

What a good story (and I am sure that its true). What are we to do about this 
dreadful disease...government funded ineptitude (cowardice? irrelevance?) and 
sheer stupidity. I see so much of it, and an increasing amount of it, as I move 
between the UK, New Zealand and Australia. We in aviation (and sailing in my 
case) are particularily vulnerable. At 66, I tend to think that it wont affect 
me for much longer, but then perhaps we should encourage civil disobedience if 
only to publicise the cause. When returning from my circumnavigation I was 
often asked whether I saw any pirates. My reply was on the lines of.."Yes, and 
they all wore government uniforms". That was in 1991. Its worse now.
Strangely, the cleverness of modern technology often seems to make the 
stupidities more effective, as in the case in point.

From: mike.timbr...@techpack.net.au
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2012 10:37:43 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] certification

If it’s not on the internet, it can’t be true. mike From: 
aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Thursday, 23 August 2012 10:02 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] certification Ah the joys and benefits of 
certification by government bureaucrats.



http://www.avweb.com/avwebbiz/news/Pipistrel_Imports_Suspended_207237-1.html 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Sky 1 Installation Update

[gavin wrigley]

Redmomd/Cathy/AUGC...I need an email address off line, please.
Gavin Wrigley.

From: rqu...@adelaide.on.net
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:57:20 +1030
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sky 1 Installation Update

That wouldn’t be hard J CheersRedmond From: 
aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ruth Patching
Sent: Wednesday, 24 October 2012 4:54 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sky 1 Installation Update Oh Simon, you just crack 
me up.  Much better than JR's jokes!! Cheers Patch 
- Original Message -
From: "Simon Hackett" 
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia." 

Sent: Wednesday, 24 October, 2012 5:04:31 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne / 
Sydney
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Sky 1 Installation Update

Hah! This is where I get to use one of my favourite jokes! Sky(tm) has a bug in 
it. The sky appears blue, but its actually supposed to be white. The reason for 
that is that there is a bug in the universes 'ray tracing' algorithm, so it 
renders in the wrong colour.  Regards,  Simon On 24/10/2012, at 4:06 PM, Erich 
Wittstock wrote: Really nice to hear that. Another user!I've been running sky 
for several years now. I really love it now. But my first thoughts were:That 
will never catch on. There are too many options available. There is no 
consistency - it's different every time you start it up. After a year and a bit 
I realised that Sky(TM) is true Open Source and eventually figured out what its 
all about.Should we - maybe - start a Sky(TM) user group? This might deflect 
people from being stuck to Panel(Inc) or even Smartphone(PTY);-)  On Wed, Oct 
24, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Texler, Michael  wrote:I 
have have just installed something fantastic.

It is called Sky(TM).

It is applied to the entire outer surface of the canopy.
Although it is solar powered it doesn't need batteries, or a link to a
GPS unit or any extra holes drilled into your instrument panel.

It's visibility in bright sunlight is really good and most studies have
agreed that its presence augments the gliding experience.
It is available in a range of colours and patterns.

Please see this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky



BTW: This is humour (sort of...)

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Proposed introduction of controlled airspace at Mount Cook

[gavin wrigley]

Gdday Rob.The MBZ is in the bottom (surface to 12500') of the unrestricted 
airspace...in fact.only the part of it where all the touristy helicopters and 
skiplanes, etc., operate. They dont seem to want (cannot?) go any higher. The 
proposal would not affect this 'busy' area. Interestingly enough, Air New 
Zealand is operating 70 seat turbine aircraft into that area (uncontrolled 
airspace...just an MBZ) on a scheduled basis!Everyone 'down there', including 
the ANZ pilots, seem to be happy with the MBZ for self-separation.Its the 
higher airspace that CAA are proposing to take. Really only of interest to us 
and wave flying. If it were controlled then some scheduled RPT flights would be 
controlled through there I am sure...but have you seen the density of traffic 
over here? Its not exactly Heathrow.I'll ask Trevor Mollard, our GNZ Airspace 
delegate, to post a link...I'm crap at this stuff.Cheers,Gavin. 

From: robc...@adam.com.au
To: gavi...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Proposed introduction of controlled airspace at  
Mount Cook
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:23:54 +1030

Gavin, should we comment about the Airspace above the MBZ. Will that airspace 
impinge on the gliding in the area. Rob Moore From: 
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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Gavinwr
Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2013 7:16 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Proposed introduction of controlled airspace at 
Mount Cook Yes. Get the facts straight. The helicopter and tourist traffic is 
not in the airspace being disscussed. there is an mbz that is used by all in 
the area very successfully to self separate...without any controllers. The 
petition is about the airspace above this.


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Derek Ruddock  wrote:

The airspace is currently uncontrolled. Aircraft arrange their own separation 
without the intervention of air traffic control. The system has worked 
effectively for years.By introducing controlled airspace in the area, it would 
lead to an increased workload on the controllers, with the inevitable result: 
the area will be closed to some users. (Guess who) From: 
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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Vincent
Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013 10:08 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; 'Discussion of 
issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Proposed introduction of controlled airspace at 
Mount Cook Gentlemen,

Would it not be sensible to establish exactly what CAA is considering by way of 
controlled airspace changes before rushing off and protesting about it.  Derek 
makes it sound as if Mt Cook is the wave soaring capital of NZ if not the 
world.  Having flown gliders in that immediate vicinity and experienced the 
extremely high traffic density (largely from choppers and GA fixed wings) I 
personally would welcome some form of airspace control.  Lets get the facts 
first guys.

Regards,

Geoff V

At 04:20 PM 19/01/2013, Derek Ruddock wrote:


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The New Zealand CAA is considering a proposal to introduce controlled airspace 
over Mount Cook.
 
This are is probably unique as the only easily accessible uncontrolled wave 
soaring site in the world
 
I would encourage all Australian pilots to email a protest to 
paula.mo...@caa.govt.nz and copy the letter to trevor.mollard at gmail.com
 
The closing date for correspondence is Jan 31st, so time is of the essence
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[Aus-soaring] Contact for Mike Burns

[gavin wrigley]

Has anybody got Mike Burns' email contact?Thanks, Gavin Wrigley 
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[Aus-soaring] Motor Falke for sale

[gavin wrigley]

If anybody is interested in buying an SF 25c, good condition, only 350hrs on 
the engine, new propellor, many spares, then please contact me off-line. 
gavinwr@hotmail.comor via 0418844014.Thanks.


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[Aus-soaring] Get out of the cold?

[gavin wrigley]

This is for any level two instructors and possibly families interested in visiting the Top End in our dry season 2004.
The Northern Australian Gliding Club is, possibly like several others, struggling to survive and is firmly in the too few members bracket that equates with too much work for the few! Adding to this ongoing problem is the fact that the only instructor, yours truly, intends to be overseas between April and October 2004, thereby thoroughly grounding the three or four very keen and hard working members that remain. Joining the Ultralight Club (heard that before?) may well keep them flying, but then Peter's pride and joy (PW5) and the other aircraft merely gather dust. Not good.
IF anyone is interested in visiting / helping for a few weekends or perhaps a full week..whatever by arrangementthen there may be some 'perks' in the form of free transport and possibly accomodation. No cash! The club is right next to the Lichfield Park and Kakadu is only three hours drive away. Darwin is a great place in May / June / July / August, brilliant weather and a lot to do and see.
We operate a winch and train in the Blanik. A Ka6 cr (club) and PW5 (pte) loiter in the hangar.
Anyone interested?  Gavin Wrigley.Protect your inbox from harmful viruses with new ninemsn Premium.  Upgrade now! 
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RE: [Aus-soaring] Dead Genave radio wanted for parts

[gavin wrigley]

We have one Alpha 10 surplus to requirements and also two Radair 10 radios if anyone is interested.
Gavin Wrigley,  Northern Australian Gliding Club.

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