Re: [Aus-soaring] -SMA 230 HP aircooled diesel
Sort of not true Michael, at least at our club where launches per hour is irrelevant due to the number needing them but cost of the tow is. Only large clubs would see a benefit to faster turnarounds. As for cracked heads etc, also has not affected our club in 30 odd years of towing and the 180hp powered tug of both Kingaroy and Boonah have never had any failures from cracked heads - the 0-360 is quite good in this area and the 0-540 are if you look after them. The Boonah guys have an e tug project going for their Cessna 150 and I also have an auto engine going into my RV7 BUT had the air cooled diesel been around at a reasonable price I probably would have gone that way. An interesting observation on Launches per hour at least at a comp where I towed in a normal Pawnee and Neil in the e-tug, after the launches he had on average 1 maybe 2 more than the rest, in fact I think Stow was the same in his C180 though he fly's it pretty well, there was certainly no glaring advantage in turn around at the comp towing side. The way we tow now using the racetrack method having the engine at idle probably means you will still need power to get back, this method has worked well for tugs as it allows adequate cooling time but puts you on a base leg and works well, possibly if all tugs were able to idle on descent you could see an improvement. Off just as much importance is the overall operating costs and so far I defy anyone to challenge the success of the 180HP powered Cessna's who burn 20 litres an hour less and do not suffer from the same issues our poor old Pawnees do, in the 20 odd years KML has been flying the only major mods have been a stiffening of the tailplane and after 10,000 plus launches the axle broke on one side but she was a pretty old Cessna to start with, the 100 hourly's reflect the saving compared to what they were paying for the pawnee, it will be interesting to see how the Eggenfellner powered 150 of Boonah goes, it appears it will be back on track soon if a private syndicate is successful as the club just ran out of manpower to finish it off. Cheers :) Nigel **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shirley Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -SMA 230 HP aircooled diesel Dear Nigel Our work on eTug revealed that fuel consumption per se is of much less importance than how many launches are provided per litre burned. The rate of climb and descent are paramount in the cost of launches delivered. Air cooled engines are seriously deficient in the rate of descent able to be achieved without running up a huge bill for cracked parts. Regards Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nandrews Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 11:18 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] -SMA 230 HP aircooled diesel Another diesel aero engine is the SMA SR 305 -230, a 220 HP diesel which I looked at in a 182 recently that flew in. It is a horizontally opposed aircooled turbo charged diesel with 220-230HP. The guy was getting a cruise fuel flow of 28 litres per hour as opposed to his 45 litres he used to get with the Lyco. The engine is expensive but comes as a completed firewall forward kit and has a 3,000HR TBO. Our club is looking into this engine as with Avgas at 1.86 and 60 litres per hour with the lyco, if we can get 40 litres per hour which they think is achievable that's quite a saving, not sure what AVTUR costs but if we can use diesel in the future it would pay for the initial engine price difference in years www.tuleriveraero.com/ Nig **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] -SMA 230 HP aircooled diesel- TBO cost
I forgot one major issue supporting an E Tug which is why I went auto engine as well, come time to TBO and the E-tug will cost nothing compared to a 50k bill plus for an O-540 and 40k for a O-360 - that's where you can save dollars! Nig o Nigel Andrews- Managing Director -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Shirley Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 1:26 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -SMA 230 HP aircooled diesel Dear Nigel Our work on eTug revealed that fuel consumption per se is of much less importance than how many launches are provided per litre burned. The rate of climb and descent are paramount in the cost of launches delivered. Air cooled engines are seriously deficient in the rate of descent able to be achieved without running up a huge bill for cracked parts. Regards Michael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nandrews Sent: Tuesday, 6 May 2008 11:18 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] -SMA 230 HP aircooled diesel Another diesel aero engine is the SMA SR 305 -230, a 220 HP diesel which I looked at in a 182 recently that flew in. It is a horizontally opposed aircooled turbo charged diesel with 220-230HP. The guy was getting a cruise fuel flow of 28 litres per hour as opposed to his 45 litres he used to get with the Lyco. The engine is expensive but comes as a completed firewall forward kit and has a 3,000HR TBO. Our club is looking into this engine as with Avgas at 1.86 and 60 litres per hour with the lyco, if we can get 40 litres per hour which they think is achievable that's quite a saving, not sure what AVTUR costs but if we can use diesel in the future it would pay for the initial engine price difference in years www.tuleriveraero.com/ Nig **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] -New radio
Also pretty high on standby power... Looks like it would suit motorglider/ultralight / sport aircraft or those who have the new 12v gelcells in a 10A/H version Nigel o -Original Message- From: Mike Borgelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2008 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -New radio At 03:04 PM 1/05/2008, you wrote: Hi all, Another 57mm radio has just been released at http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail_print.asp?id=8848http://www.gul f-coast-avionics.com/detail_print.asp?id=8848 Does not appear to have a manual as yet so either it has just been released and they haven't posted a manual or its coming and Gulf Coast are jumping the gun. Either way with the strong AUD to USD it's pretty cheap. Nigel US$619.00 at Aircraft Spruce. Looks like they're everywhere if you Google FL-760. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] -New radio
Have you managed to find a link to a manual? Nig -Original Message- From: Mike Borgelt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 May 2008 3:41 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -New radio At 03:04 PM 1/05/2008, you wrote: Hi all, Another 57mm radio has just been released at http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail_print.asp?id=8848http://www.gul f-coast-avionics.com/detail_print.asp?id=8848 Does not appear to have a manual as yet so either it has just been released and they haven't posted a manual or its coming and Gulf Coast are jumping the gun. Either way with the strong AUD to USD it's pretty cheap. Nigel US$619.00 at Aircraft Spruce. Looks like they're everywhere if you Google FL-760. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] -New radio
Hi all, Another 57mm radio has just been released at http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com/detail_print.asp?id=8848 Does not appear to have a manual as yet so either it has just been released and they haven't posted a manual or its coming and Gulf Coast are jumping the gun. Either way with the strong AUD to USD it's pretty cheap. Nigel * Nigel Andrews * PO BOX 120, Boonah, Queensland Australia 4310 * INT+(617) 54635670* +(617)54635695 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.rf-developments.com RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Australian Scenery for Condor soaring simulator
Sounds like the downs is the last one left - any volunteers? Nig **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Hart Sent: Tuesday, 29 April 2008 12:15 PM To: DDSC Chat; Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Australian Scenery for Condor soaring simulator Hi Folks Alan Monroe has created a set of scenery for the Lk Keepit area. You can find this at http://www.mediamax.com/monroe3004 He is now working on scenery for SE Qld (covering the area used by Darling Downs, Kingaroy and Warwick clubs)... -- Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] -Flarm IGC approval and version 4 flarm update
Hi All, Some older news, we have been away so hence the delay but the news is that Flarm have had their unit approved for use as an IGC logger for badge flights only up to diamond. This requires the unit to be returned for updating and seal and also checking functionality to make sure it is working fine. We are now seeking the same approval for the OzFlarm and MiniOz units which will enable many to have an approved logger for a small upgrade fee, this also allows clubs who already have flarm but no logger to have all their fleet potentially IGC approved. Following is the official press release: Below the official GFAC press release: I am pleased to announce that after appropriate test and evaluation, an IGC-approval has been issued for the flight recording aspects of an upgraded version of the Flarm equipment made by Flarm Technology GmbH of Zurich, Switzerland. This Flarm model is called the Flarm-IGC Version 1.0. It is understood that existing Flarm equipment can be modified to this standard, but that is a commercial matter between owners and the Flarm company. The IGC-approval is dated 10 March 2008 and the full document will appear on the IGC GNSS web site shortly. It only applies to the flight recording aspects of the equipment, other functions such as the Flarm traffic alert function are not the responsibility of FAI or IGC and are a matter for owners and other users. This IGC-approval only refers to Flarm units from the above company and that conform to the terms of the approval document. For Flarm units produced under license by other companies or fitted as modules in equipment from other companies, separate IGC-approval documents apply where such units have been tested and confirmed to be to the IGC standard. Examples are the LXN Colibri 4F and LX7007F that have an embedded Flarm module and already have IGC-approval. Other Flarm equipment such as OzFlarm and LXN Red Box Flarm are not covered by this approval but after appropriate testing may be covered in the future if the manufacturers so desire. You are encouraged to read the full terms of the IGC-approval for Flarm-IGC V1.0 when the document is posted on the IGC GNSS web site. Ian Strachan Chairman IGC Flight Recorder Approval Committee (GFAC) Version 4 update. Just a reminder that your OzFlarm and MiniOz will stop working soon if you have not updated to the version 4 upgrade which is available from the flarm website. When doing this update you will notice your flarm IGC details will be changed, namely the last 2 lines - you will need to re enter these. Some have had issues with no GPS lock, if this happens go into flarmtool and set the automatic setting to Australia 921mhz - this seems to fix it. The auto setting is a new feature, its like roaming on your mobile, it auto detects the country you are in and sets the appropriate RF frequency. If you are not traveling overseas with your flarm set the manual option anyway. Could you pass this email on to your clubs email lists so all can view. Cheers Nigel * Nigel Andrews- * PO BOX 120, Boonah, Queensland Australia 4310 * INT+(617) 54635670* +(617)54635695 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.rf-developments.com RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] -Forward Glider for sale
Posting this on behalf of John Buchanan. FOR SALE VENTUS 2Cx, multiple Nationals winner, excellent condition and well below replacement cost. Sale includes many factory extras, plus wing and fuselage fuel tanks, wiring, plumbing and fuselage re-inforcement for jet engine. Wings extensively profiled and painted and now stable. Instruments include, ASI, Alt, Filser radio, Altair, Vega voice vario engine, OzFlarm, Cambridge GPS and display, B500 with PDA hookup, electronic flap indicator, new trim-easier system, oxygen, parachute, near new Jaxida covers, tail dolly, tow out bar, wing walker and Avionic trailer. Contact John Buchanan 0419643711 Nigel **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] -ASG29 handicaps
Hi Bernard, O.K seeing as it looks like the ASG29 walked all over us then it should be handicapped accordingly, a walking all over us handicap must be at least 2%? Nigel * Nigel Andrews- * * PO BOX 120, Boonah, Queensland Australia 4310 * INT+(617) 54635670* +(617)54635695 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.rf-developments.com RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gawler regatta-QLD State comps
And also on your way up you can attend the Queenlsand State comps at Warwick which is the week before the Kingaroy Nats. Last State comps at Warwick we had 8 straight days of flying and most then traveled on to the Multiclass at Kingaroy. Should be a fun 3 weeks! Cheers Nigel Hi all Having flown at Kingaroy in October 2006 for the multiclass comp, October 2007 for the Club class comp and planning to go again this October for the Club class comp I can vouch that the trip from Gawler is a touch long to be much of a clash. It's about 22 hours driving each way. If you're tough you can get two days flying in. If you're a wimp like me and need sleep you can spend all 4 days of Easter driving - not so much a regatta as a rally! Looking forward to seeing all my Queensland friends again in October Philip - Original Message - From: Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Gawler regatta Phil wrote: Hi all We are reinstating the Gawler Easter Regatta. There will be flying at Gawler every day this Easter starting Friday 21st through to Monday 24 of March. There will be a weather briefing and tasks set. Coaching will be available. This is a low key fun event. Easter is early this year so the weather should be still good. All welcome. Aerotow only. Great to hear that SA are doing more comps, but Easter already has a pretty long standing competition in Qld. I hope we don't end p splitting the market and ending up with no Easter comp anywhere! -- Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gawler regatta
I believe Lake Keepit is also having its own small comp mainly for its members at Easter - rumour has it. Nig Phil wrote: Hi all We are reinstating the Gawler Easter Regatta. There will be flying at Gawler every day this Easter starting Friday 21st through to Monday 24 of March. There will be a weather briefing and tasks set. Coaching will be available. This is a low key fun event. Easter is early this year so the weather should be still good. All welcome. Aerotow only. Great to hear that SA are doing more comps, but Easter already has a pretty long standing competition in Qld. I hope we don't end p splitting the market and ending up with no Easter comp anywhere! -- Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Discus For Sale
And also if you fly it from Warwick it has a hangar spot with 2 LS8's and a Ventus2cx - finding hangars spots now is pretty rare! Nig * Nigel Andrews- * PO BOX 120, Boonah, Queensland Australia 4310 * INT+(617) 54635670* +(617)54635695 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.rf-developments.com RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heath L'Estrange Sent: Monday, 4 February 2008 8:48 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Discus For Sale Discus A (ZBK) for sale. Due to life changes, the current 3 syndicate members of Discus A (ZBK) have reluctantly put it on the market. This is a ridiculously nice glider. Originally brought into the country by John Buchanan, he moulded a new seatpan so that he could fit in it. This glider has never been bent. It's a great glider, ask around. I will list some of the many features here: * L-NAV Glide Computer and GPS-NAV Flight Recorder * Becker Radio * Sage Vario * Flarm * IPAQ (including seeyou mobile) and mounts - Connects to the Flarm. * Inbuilt EPIRB * Mountain High Oxygen electronic delivery and Nasal Canular * All towout gear * Pajamas * Fully functional water ballast system (190L) as well as tail tank (6.5L) * Top surface of wings has been poly coated to prevent sun damage (the rest is Gel) * 3 battery capability (this thing is ready for 1000km!!) * Parachute * The trailer is in perfect condition - easy rig derig. As good as a Cobra!! * Approx 2200hrs Price Approx $67,500 Photos: http://webadventures.com.au/discus For more info phone Matt Anglim on 0404665998 or Heath L'Estrange on 0430480608 ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Update
Yes, same registration, it generates an email list from the details entered. Cheers Nigel * Nigel Andrews- Managing Director * PO BOX 120, Boonah, Queensland Australia 4310 * INT+(617) 54635670* +(617)54635695 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.rf-developments.com RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Geoff Kidd Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2008 9:22 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Update Ben/Nigel Have done as requested but there appears to be nothing specific on the site re registration as a Flarm owner, just to register for the shop. Is that the right place? Regards - Original Message - From: Ben Jones mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:45 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Flarm Update This message is posted on behalf of Nigel From: nandrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 January 2008 6:38 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: -flarm update Hi all, This week has been quite busy with the visiting flarm people from Flarm Technology; they have been flying at Boonah testing the mandatory update due late February. Today will be another day of testing. In preparation for the release and future notifications could you please register your details on our site at www.rf-developments.com using our online registration feature. This then gives us a contact database of flarm users so we can automate notification and any other changes that need attention. Please pass on this request to others who may not be on this discussion group. Thanks Nigel * Nigel Andrews- * PO BOX 120, Boonah, Queensland Australia 4310 * INT+(617) 54635670* +(617)54635695 * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.rf-developments.com RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] -germany container
Hi, I am asking on behalf of another pilot who needs to find container space for his MT Prop and hub, it doesn't take up too much room, weighs about 55lbs, if someone has a glider leaving soon that he can have the prop delivered too he will gladly pay his share. Cheers Nigel * Nigel Andrews * PO BOX 120, Boonah, Queensland Australia 4310 * INT+(617) 54635670* +(617)54635695 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.rf-developments.com RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Temora Multi-Class Nationals
Hi Tom, My apologies' for not attending this year, we love Temora but have the flarm people here working for those 2 weeks! Will be here though if you have any issues with flarm that need attention. Have a good one! Cheers Nigel Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2007 7:05 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Temora Multi-Class Nationals A heads up to those of you intending to compete at Temora in January and have still not entered. Our limit is 60 gliders. We have in excess of 50 paid up now. Late entry fees apply from the end of this week. If you were intending to come but are still in slack mode it is time to get organised. Tom Gilbert ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Further Lukes comments which I understood the same as Nick did, there are quite a few hopeful new gliders flying in various comps and have done well but are largely let down by not having top ranking pilots fly them. The LS10 did extremely well at the pre worlds which by the way was won by a Ventus, had Michael somer been flying the 10 it may well have won. The NSW comps reflected this, 3 of the top pilots in Oz but had John Buchanan not stuffed his final glide on one of the days landing 13km's short the results could well have been different. John also won the club class nationals - in a Ventus. I don't think it really matters if Holden or Ford win, if the Ford proves to be better then the Holden will get a better handicap - should even things up, that's what they are there for. Pretty disgusting results overall for 18 metre gliders, so called high tech advances which just puts them out of reach of common man but really they haven't progressed that much better than the first 18 metre gliders that rolled out in the mid 90's - when are we going to see meaningful leaps in LD that would just make you want to rush out and buy a new one? Taking pills now Cheers Nigel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Luke Dodd Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 5:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps exactly my point Nick. I struggle to see the how the point was missed-misinterrepret by others. luke I think Luke was responding to Bernard's second post which is congratulatory of the aircraft, not the pilots. From what I read, Luke was making the point that the 3 pilots in question would have placed regardless of their choice of modern 18m glider. Nick. On Nov 21, 2007 3:16 PM, Geoff Kidd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luke's note must be either HILARIOUSLY funny amongst those that are in the know . or alternatively it could, just possibly, look like it is in poor taste to those that aren't rolling around in mirth. This group might need a moderator to keep competing sailplane salesmen under control. Bernard's post congratulated the 3 pilots involved, so what is Luke's line 1 all about? Why is it so hard to accept that the ASG29 just might be a pretty good thing? - Original Message - From: Luke Dodd mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps I am sure the pilots had nothing to do with it!! The three pilots concerned could fly a brick to first place Luke Dodd - Original Message - From: nandrews mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Looks like the handicap needs to be adjusted then Bernard if they are that good, what would you suggest 1 or 2 percent? This should happen before the nationals to be fair to the others Nigel Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:29 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Hi Simon I can see that you are trying to spice up this newsgroup. Good try - good on you!!! In all seriousness, Simon, having three ASG 29 in the comp and having all three pilots on the podium is by no means an isolated case. It has happened at various Nationals in Europe and America and is one of many reasons why the ASG 29 is widely regarded as the top ship in 18m class these days. Especially in countries like Australia its spectacular performance in high speed cruise makes the glider attractive. Not even the very best of today's open class ships can
[Aus-soaring] -cloudflying- a serious cheating method
Ian and the group, A disturbing trend is happening in this area. As an equipment supplier and engineer I have been approached recently to see if an AH could be incorporated into some of the instruments we sell. Whilst they can do this the answer was a firm NO. The person concerned was quite ruffled over this reply and stated he was IFR rated etc - really a pretty silly thing to say given gliders are VMC only aircraft. There is only one reason why one would really want to use this as he is a comp pilot - that is to cheat! I hope the organizers of future comps can try and check for these sorts of things. It would be easy to implement a checking system into SeeYou where a mean altitude achieved by gliders at a given time could flag an alarm if one or more exceed that height. O.K this could be a glider getting into shear BUT a glider who continues to climb into cloud will have a constant circle in the same position he was thermalling and same rate or better climb - shear wave is usually level out at cloudbase, fly into wind and work gentle lift. So in other words at the launch we are all achieving a cloudbase climb to 9,000ft and someone gets 11,000ft the scorer could check this trace and apply a zero point score if found to have broken glider rules, VFR rules and he cheated. Tim, maybe you could look into this? The person concerned has I believe bought a 3rd party device - possibly it was in use. Cheers Nigel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian McPhee Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 9:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Mark Laird Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps+airspace+cloudflying Do not be too hard on aircraft handicaps just because a pilot does well in a particular aircraft. We buggered up because we turned at 13km on the only day they had a 10km circle and that the first turn point!!!. We went on to do 400km in 4 hours for just 70 points. Our fault for sure. On another strange one Queensland comps have zero points if you go into airspace before the start whereas in NSW you only loose 100 points Also we observed one person doing serious cloud flying (like 2 mins in cloud in 7kts up and then coming out the side) - The flarm showed they were there. This happened on several days and on one day this person would have gained and extra 15km over others. I have zero idea who it was but i am afraid it should be looked into as we have the technology. Like flying overweight is is just another form of cheating. I do know Brad Edwards has never flown a comps since another aircraft was allowed to fly over weight and was given no penality. He called it another form of cheating. Ian McPhee - Original Message - From: nandrews mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Looks like the handicap needs to be adjusted then Bernard if they are that good, what would you suggest 1 or 2 percent? This should happen before the nationals to be fair to the others Nigel Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:29 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Hi Simon I can see that you are trying to spice up this newsgroup. Good try - good on you!!! In all seriousness, Simon, having three ASG 29 in the comp and having all three pilots on the podium is by no means an isolated case. It has happened at various Nationals in Europe and America and is one of many reasons why the ASG 29 is widely regarded as the top ship in 18m class these days. Especially in countries like Australia its spectacular performance in high speed cruise makes the glider attractive. Not even the very best of today's open class ships can stay with it and it doesn't
Re: [Aus-soaring] -cloudflying- a serious cheating method
Yes that's one solution for starts, sort of evens up the field and stops any advantage gained by going up through cloud, still need to monitor on track which can easily be done using the stats of other gliders in the same area at the same time. Not all days are Cu so maybe have a mix. Cheers Nigel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robinson, Peter B Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 9:08 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -cloudflying- a serious cheating method or why not just set a Max start height (and speed) for each day which would be below the expected cloud base height - I understand this is common for overseas comps? _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nandrews Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 8:10 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] -cloudflying- a serious cheating method Ian and the group, A disturbing trend is happening in this area. As an equipment supplier and engineer I have been approached recently to see if an AH could be incorporated into some of the instruments we sell. Whilst they can do this the answer was a firm NO. The person concerned was quite ruffled over this reply and stated he was IFR rated etc - really a pretty silly thing to say given gliders are VMC only aircraft. There is only one reason why one would really want to use this as he is a comp pilot - that is to cheat! I hope the organizers of future comps can try and check for these sorts of things. It would be easy to implement a checking system into SeeYou where a mean altitude achieved by gliders at a given time could flag an alarm if one or more exceed that height. O.K this could be a glider getting into shear BUT a glider who continues to climb into cloud will have a constant circle in the same position he was thermalling and same rate or better climb - shear wave is usually level out at cloudbase, fly into wind and work gentle lift. So in other words at the launch we are all achieving a cloudbase climb to 9,000ft and someone gets 11,000ft the scorer could check this trace and apply a zero point score if found to have broken glider rules, VFR rules and he cheated. Tim, maybe you could look into this? The person concerned has I believe bought a 3rd party device - possibly it was in use. Cheers Nigel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian McPhee Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 9:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: Mark Laird Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps+airspace+cloudflying Do not be too hard on aircraft handicaps just because a pilot does well in a particular aircraft. We buggered up because we turned at 13km on the only day they had a 10km circle and that the first turn point!!!. We went on to do 400km in 4 hours for just 70 points. Our fault for sure. On another strange one Queensland comps have zero points if you go into airspace before the start whereas in NSW you only loose 100 points Also we observed one person doing serious cloud flying (like 2 mins in cloud in 7kts up and then coming out the side) - The flarm showed they were there. This happened on several days and on one day this person would have gained and extra 15km over others. I have zero idea who it was but i am afraid it should be looked into as we have the technology. Like flying overweight is is just another form of cheating. I do know Brad Edwards has never flown a comps since another aircraft was allowed to fly over weight and was given no penality. He called it another form of cheating. Ian McPhee - Original Message - From: nandrews mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Looks like the handicap needs to be adjusted then Bernard if they are that good, what would you suggest 1 or 2 percent? This should happen before the nationals to be fair to the others Nigel Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised
Re: [Aus-soaring] -cloudflying- a serious cheating method
Thanks Tim for the explanation as to the rules etc - hopefully the thought of future checking might scare them off. Nigel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 4:34 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -cloudflying- a serious cheating method Hi all, The National Championships rules include a clear prohibition of the use of blind flying instruments, and of cloud flying - and a statement that flight recorder evidence may be used to confirm any violations. Now, how does one fairly enforce a no cloud flying rule? Firstly, by appropriate scutineering, which is required and expected under the rules. I can't say whether it is always done, since I don't go round checking every event, but CD's can read the rules and are supposed to apply them - and pilots can always do their own checks and even protest if they think a pilot is getting away with an instrument they should not have. The last time that I recall a CD trying to penalise a pilot under the cloud flying rule, the pilot protested and his peers threw out the penalty on the grounds that there was insufficient evidence. I don't think this would always happen - if there was evidence from witnesses and corroboration from the flight recorder then there is a good chance of the penalty sticking. I think we are better at doing the necessary analysis these days - I think I would be able to determine local cloudbase from the traces of pilots that did the right thing (since most do) and therefore pick up the one that went higher. Of course, you could not expect the scorer to do this on every day with every flight. There would have to be some initial suspicion. I am not sure what enforceable rule we could add that would improve the situation. Of course we could set an absolute ceiling for the task but I doubt that would be popular since cloudbase usually rises during the day and is often different in different locations. Setting max start heights and speeds is already allowed for in the rules, at the discretion of the CD. I'd be happy to consider any sensible proposal for beefing up the rules, but please bear in mind that it has to be easily administered if it is going to have any effect. At present, I think the rules are there, but perhaps we need to consider better ways of detection and enforcement. Cheers Tim nandrews wrote: Ian and the group, A disturbing trend is happening in this area. As an equipment supplier and engineer I have been approached recently to see if an AH could be incorporated into some of the instruments we sell. Whilst they can do this the answer was a firm NO. The person concerned was quite ruffled over this reply and stated he was IFR rated etc - really a pretty silly thing to say given gliders are VMC only aircraft. There is only one reason why one would really want to use this as he is a comp pilot - that is to cheat! I hope the organizers of future comps can try and check for these sorts of things. It would be easy to implement a checking system into SeeYou where a mean altitude achieved by gliders at a given time could flag an alarm if one or more exceed that height. O.K this could be a glider getting into shear BUT a glider who continues to climb into cloud will have a constant circle in the same position he was thermalling and same rate or better climb - shear wave is usually level out at cloudbase, fly into wind and work gentle lift. So in other words at the launch we are all achieving a cloudbase climb to 9,000ft and someone gets 11,000ft the scorer could check this trace and apply a zero point score if found to have broken glider rules, VFR rules and he cheated. Tim, maybe you could look into this? The person concerned has I believe bought a 3rd party device - possibly it was in use. Cheers Nigel _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
Looks like the handicap needs to be adjusted then Bernard if they are that good, what would you suggest 1 or 2 percent? This should happen before the nationals to be fair to the others Nigel Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 10:29 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Hi Simon I can see that you are trying to spice up this newsgroup. Good try - good on you!!! In all seriousness, Simon, having three ASG 29 in the comp and having all three pilots on the podium is by no means an isolated case. It has happened at various Nationals in Europe and America and is one of many reasons why the ASG 29 is widely regarded as the top ship in 18m class these days. Especially in countries like Australia its spectacular performance in high speed cruise makes the glider attractive. Not even the very best of today's open class ships can stay with it and it doesn't seem to matter whether the aircraft has developed spar bumps or not. But don't take my word for it and talk to Butch. He has just placed his second order for an ASG 29(E) - number sixteen (16) in my sales territory. On another matter, are you coming to the Waikerie coaching week in January? Your confirmation would be appreciated! Kind regards Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of simon holding Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 8:14 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps So Bernard, what would you put it down to? :-) Simon -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. Sent: Monday, 19 November 2007 6:51 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Hi all I didn't want to contradict Adam before the final results were out but I hope I can be forgiven for stating that only three ASG 29 competed but finished first, second and third. Congratulations to Graham, Hank and Mac. Adam, the fastest speed of the comp was done by Mac flying an ASG 29. Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Wednesday, 14 November 2007 9:14 PM To: aus soaring Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Not sure if Westy was pulling my leg or not, but he had said that a V2cx did 180km/hr over the task! Sounds like it's either the 'biggest ever...' aus soaring day, or the VENTUS 2CX is just a WICKED glider!! Wonder how many have pulled out of the comp to try for the 1000 or record flights? WPP From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:27:51 +1100 Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps The had practice day on Sunday. There are plenty of flies to eat. The new Duo X has won a day or two. Macca has won. Forgot who the other winners were. They have a huge day today 400 - 500 km task. Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au. It's simple! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide% 2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2F ai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT ___ Aus-soaring mailing list
Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps
It was 160 kph and might have been Hank or Mac Nig To: aus soaring Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps Not sure if Westy was pulling my leg or not, but he had said that a V2cx did 180km/hr over the task! Sounds like it's either the 'biggest ever...' aus soaring day, or the VENTUS 2CX is just a WICKED glider!! Wonder how many have pulled out of the comp to try for the 1000 or record flights? WPP From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:27:51 +1100 Subject: [Aus-soaring] NSW State Comps The had practice day on Sunday. There are plenty of flies to eat. The new Duo X has won a day or two. Macca has won. Forgot who the other winners were. They have a huge day today 400 - 500 km task. Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ Sell your car for just $30 at CarPoint.com.au. It's simple! http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide% 2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2F ai%5F859641_t=762955845_r=tig_OCT07_m=EXT ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Thanks Nick
Thanks Nick - good work Nig Are here - http://www.joeyglide.com/ContestLIVE/NSWStateComps/tabid/241/Default.aspx If anyone has any problems looking at them, please let me know directly (and let me know what browser browser version you are running). Regards, - Nick Gilbert - Lotus Notes Web Developer W :: (08) 8392 2147 F :: (08) 8276 5844 E :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] email addresses
Errols is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Graham is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nig _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Shorter Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 7:53 AM To: Aus-soaring List Subject: [Aus-soaring] email addresses can someone give me Errol Spletter and Graham Parker's current email addresses Dave Shorter email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Note - no au in address) 11 Lighthouse Crescent Emerald Beach NSW 2456 Ph/Fax: (02)6656 1979 E-mail message checked by PC Tools Spyware Doctor (5.0.0.187) Database version: 5.08460 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Victorian State Gliding Championships 2008
It said November 30 , Yesterday was October 30 _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 10:48 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Victorian State Gliding Championships 2008 discount if we registered by yesterday That is an interesting way to run a promotion _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Switala Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2007 9:55 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Victorian State Gliding Championships 2008 5 to 12 January 2008 Hosted by the Gliding Club of Victoria at Benalla. Four class competition; Open, 15M, Standard and Sports. This is a great opportunity to get some competition fine tuning as the Vic States is on the week prior to the Multi-class at Temora only 3.5 hours away. Limit 40 gliders, Entry $250 but a discount of $60 if registered by November 30 2007. Details at: www.glidingclub.org.au/competition/state2008/ Contact Phil Henderson 0418 511 557. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] -phone number
Hi All, Could someone help me out with a phone number for Peter Buskins? Cheers Nigel Nigel Andrews Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Qld State Comps-you had to be there!
No doubt Saturday was one of the best days we have seen in Qld for a while, 11,000 to 12,000ft, 8-10 knot climbs, Libelles doing 138kph!, Ventus2cx over 150KPH! - the whole week has been great, fast days, slow days but we flew ALL days, DDSC did a real fine job of hosting this and all of us had a fun week free of any problems except the bindis. RASP weather prediction was pretty good, the last day was spot on so it shows it will be a good tool for use in the future. Look forward to our next State comps next year, so far 2 in a row where we flew 8 days. Cheers Nigel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Flood Sent: Monday, 8 October 2007 9:36 AM To: Aus Soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Qld State Comps Well the 2007 Queensland Comps are now over. The weather was excellent with 8 consecutive days flying, Results were all on the web site each day and final results are also posted. Thanks to comp director Keith Allen and his team, who put on a great event. Check out some of the speeds achieved, particularly in Club Class. Lets hope the good weather continues for the Club Class Nationals at Kingaroy for the next 2 weeks. http://www.ddsc.org.au Bob Flood _ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 839 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter http://www.spamfighter.com/len for free now! ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine-QLD state comps
Nice to see an early start to the season. Well those intending to come to the State comps and nationals should be in for some good weather, Saturday was a 9,000ft day and Sunday I believe was higher. The downs has dried up nicely and we are getting our transition weather which brings out those western troughs - some of our best weather! One leg on Saturday averaged 145 kph! Roll on the next few weeks Nigel That height started between 3 and 4:00pm, prior to that it was about 6000ft midday Keith Dixon and Anne Elliott (GFA Sub-editor Soaring Australia magazine) PO Box 189 Narromine NSW 2821 Australia Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.ourafricansafari.com.au www.vintageglidersaustralia.org.au From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Trone Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:39 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Narromine What time did it start and finish. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anne Elliott Sent: Monday, 24 September 2007 6:20 PM To: Aus-soaring Subject: [Aus-soaring] Narromine Eleven thousand feet at Nrm today! Keith Dixon and Anne Elliott (GFA Sub-editor Soaring Australia magazine) PO Box 189 Narromine NSW 2821 Australia Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.ourafricansafari.com.au www.vintageglidersaustralia.org.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders wanted for MultiClass Nationals
Would love to make the nationals this year as I like Temora but run out of leave ( Too many comps this year), maybe next time. Nigel And will you be flying your latest and greatest in 18 meter class at the Nationals ? Mal ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Aerodynamics research
Is there any news on when Dick might have one flying? Looks like the Sinha detubulator is also undergoing some improvements but no mass production as yet Nigel This is an interesting paper. Found while searching for information on Dick Butler's Concordia project http://www.frotor.fs.cvut.cz/doc/37.pdf Check out the aspect ratio of Concordia project. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Gliders wanted for MultiClass Nationals
I seem to remember Michael Sommer doing pretty well in an SZD55 at Gulgong - against LS8 and alike, was it 2004? The glider dosenth makeith the pilot, in other words having the latest and greatest is not the be all to end all, also remember Shane Mcaffrey doing pretty well in a hornet in standard class at a Kingaroy nats - not to long ago either. These pilots show raw ability. I have a new V2cx but I think I flew better when I used to borrow my mates LS7! Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce Sent: Monday, 24 September 2007 2:16 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Aus-soaring] Gliders wanted for MultiClass Nationals I am sure there are a few more Australians that would also like to fly in our Nationals. After all it is not the Internationals, definitely case of the haves and have nots. Should a ASG29 or ASW 28 turn up for this period I would join the haves for a limited time and be ever grateful! Would it make it in time Bernard from NZ Regards Mal www.mals.net 1. Gliders wanted for MultiClass Nationals (Tim Shirley) 2. Re: Gliders wanted for MultiClass Nationals (Jeff Woodward) Hi All, There are a number of foreign pilots seeking gliders to hire for the Multiclass Nationals at Temora, 14th-25th January. If anyone on the list has, or knows of, gliders that may be available, please contact Daryl Connell at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Tim ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] pause for thought-LCD
- The basic variometer resolution is about 0.01 knots on a B500 and about - - 0.04 knots on a B400. I can't tell the difference. An LCD pointer would - - have meant a best resolution of 0.4 knots and some seem to use about 1 --- knot steps. I consider this unacceptable Nothing wrong with LCD pointers, the Tasman vario made in Victoria works very nicely - the audio is great, watching needles is not what we do, at least I don't, a responsive audio is the heart of our thermalling skills. Hank Kaufmann blocks off the top half of his vario!! i.e no needle, just audio. The Vega Vario in the Altair system has audio only and voice, no needle, needle is an option, also designed in Melbourne - seems to be a vario hub down there. As Bruce once said, there is more information that is usefull looking out then in, might explain why he does so well. Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 3 September 2007 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] pause for thought LOL! Calling modern sailplane instruments retro is funny coming from one who flys an aircraft that would be instantly recognisable by Otto Lilienthal if you brought him back. Old Otto would probably think it was the 1907 model of his hang gliders, not a 2007 model. I guess it helps if you don't know any history. Tim, you are wrong, they would not have won a contest this side of 1930 not 1960. I believe the best rigid wing hang gliders are up around the performance of the Grunau Baby, which when it was first built (around 1932?) was not considered a competition sailplane, just a secondary training glider. I had a bit to do with the hang gliding community in South Australia from 1979 to about 1988. Also designed and built a few different hang glider instruments and repaired a few others. It is quite a different environment for the engineering and you really need to have deep background in the activity to do it properly. I gave up because the hangies ideas on instrumentation were so primitive. I had some more contact with them in 1996 just as the first hang gliders with no top kingposts were appearing. They were looking at GPS logging at the time(after it was adopted in gliding).The new hang gliders were regarded as frightfully expensive in the $8000 to 10,000 range when a kingpost model cost $5000-6000. I was told the new ones would never catch on due to the price. I'm not sure you can still buy the old model. LCD's, graphics displays and integrated GPS, loggers etc first appeared in sailplane instruments, not hang glider instruments. If you think glider instruments are retro perhaps you think of your instruments as fashion statements rather than functional items or all you've been exposed to is the average club trainer. I had a look at the Flytek instruments. We could have done an LCD pointer on the B400 and B500. It actually is cheaper and uses less power but we chose the stepper driven white pointer on black background because it gives the best contrast under all light conditions and at 150 steps per knot the instrument resolution isn't limited by the stepper resolution. The basic variometer resolution is about 0.01 knots on a B500 and about 0.04 knots on a B400. I can't tell the difference. An LCD pointer would have meant a best resolution of 0.4 knots and some seem to use about 1 knot steps. I consider this unacceptable. Then we could use the nice coloured LED's for speed command and other functions. Note we use a nice diffuser in front of the LED too. I notice the top of the line Flytek had a pointer on circular dial LCD vario . The reason is that you get the longest scale for a compact size. You also get an angle change which is very easy to discern. Looking at some ultralight instruments the other day it seems about half of the manufacturers simply synthesise what looks like a steam gauge panel on a large LCD. OTOH the HUD in the F/A18 just uses numbers for airspeed and altitude and seems perfectly fine to use. I wouldn't want a vario like that though. What the top of the line Flytek doesn't appear to have is a moving map, certainly not as the primary flight display. Smart folks! If you want to see a real sunlight readable LCD go to your local boat shop and look at the Humminbird range of GPS/depth sounders. Late last year I visited Mullet Gut Marine in Toowoomba. They had a nice display of the Humminbird products including one with the Altair's 320 x 240 1/4 VGA display. Next to it was the 787C2 with a full colour full VGA display. As different as night from day. We took the 787C2 outside and even in direct bright sunlight on the display the colours were vibrant and saturated. No problem with half the display shaded either. So far the only colour display I've seen I'd consider in a glider cockpit to replace all the instruments. Pity you
Re: [Aus-soaring] European Gliding Comp results
Tom The reference was to an older model which is quite a bit cheaper to buy than a brand new CX - just giving the latest and greatest a tong in cheak comment, my 2CX is supposedly had design enhancements over the 2c but in reality it flys about the same except for the 600kg allowance and none of us here have really raced enough here in Oz fully ballasted to see the difference, I think Tony Tabbart did in Sweden. Having a turbo or not in the ventus does not appear to affect it in weak conditions (i.e no penalty for being a bit heavier), they climb very well across the ballasted range as does the ASG, even in weak conditions I still carry some water as I don't notice the difference with it completely light - my observation anyway. Cheers Nigel **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Wilksch Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2007 6:30 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] European Gliding Comp results ooh wait I might have got it. Engine = heavy and in crappy weather you want light. How'd I do? :-) Tom - Original Message - From: Tom mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wilksch To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia. Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] European Gliding Comp results For the dumb ones amongst us (ie me) why is that interesting? Tom - Original Message From: nandrews mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; 'Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] European Gliding Comp results Interesting to note that second place was a 2cT-18 metre. Must have been a hard couple of weeks looking at the speeds. Nig The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kiehn Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2007 2:51 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] European Gliding Comp results What? No crowing from the other camps? Must be my turn then (I am glad we all get along) :-) Ohh, would you look at that. It seems the pilots coming 1st and 2nd places in both 18m and Open class chose to fly Schempp-Hirth gliders this time round. http://www.egc2007-issoudun.fr/results.php Looks like the gliders can be made to go well in crap weather too, not just the fast weather... Chris :-) www.schempphirth.com _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 21/08/2007 4:02 PM _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.1/965 - Release Date: 21/08/2007 4:02 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] -LS10 - Smokin!
Hey Tom, see Holger Back scorched the opposition at 69.7km/h - that's a whole 13km/h faster than the nearest ASG! Would have loved to have been doing that flight - bet the rudder got a workout with all that thermalling See John Buchanan won a day - or tied 1st place Cheers Nig Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] -LS10 - Smokin!
Traitor! _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Friday, 17 August 2007 9:23 AM To: aus soaring Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -LS10 - Smokin! G'day Tom, Do you have any plans of bringing a demonstrator over? Obviously I cant/wont be able to buy one, but would love to have a run in it! WPP _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:12:49 +1000 Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] -LS10 - Smokin! And he pulled a whole 6 points on second! What does a bloke have to do? http://www.egc2007-issoudun.fr/results/18m/78F_EGC-18M.htm At the risk of doing a Bernard impersonation :)) it is good to see the LS10 doing so well here after winning the pre-worlds at Luesse. Oh... and LS8s did well (won in other words) in the Juniors at Rieti http://www.wgcrieti.it/jwgc2007/results.asp and the Europeans in Lithuania http://www.pociunai.lt/index.php?cid=2805 Tom Gilbert (local LS agent in case you have not twigged) _ Discover the new Windows Vista Learn more! http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=windows+vistamkt=en-USform=QBRE ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pre-worlds at Luesse, Germany
Hi Roger, Yes flarm-NAV going well, expecting a release in September for all. Downloads Flarm IGC files, will also do Cambridge and then others when available as well as displaying flarm aircraft on the radar like screen. See www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ and go to products. Cheers Nig Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Roger Druce Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 12:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pre-worlds at Luesse, Germany Dear Nigel Stop fussing over peripheral matters and get on with finalising the FLARM-NAV display! Keenly awaited. Care to update us? Cheers Roger Druce _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nandrews Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 10:43 AM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Pre-worlds at Luesse, Germany And both Aussie ASG's that came 2nd and 3rd were running our Altair/Vega vario glide computer systems! Nig Nigel Andrews RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 9:22 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pre-worlds at Luesse, Germany Hi all!!! I might be a bit slow - but better late than never! Feedback from the European competition scene makes for very good reading when wearing Schleicher glasses like me. First and second place in open class at the pre worlds in Luesse. Congratulations to Michael Sommer and Tassilo Bode flying ASW 22. Clean sweep in 15 m class at the pre worlds in Luesse. Congratulations to Georg, Martin and Florian Theisinger all flying ASW 27. Second place in 18 m class at the pre worlds in Luesse. Congratulations to Mac Ichikawa flying ASG 29 The Australian Boys (Graham Parker David Jansen) picked up their brand new ASG 29s only a few days prior to the competition. They did extremely well and could have finished up on the podium if it wasn't for an airspace infringement - zero points on one day. First place in the Ladies world comp in Romorantin (France). Congratulations to Sara Kelmann (UK) flying ASG 28 Clean sweep in 18 m class at the UK Nationals at Husbands Bosworth: Congratulations to Mike Young, Ed Johnston and Russell Cheetham, all flying ASG 29 E. Stay tuned to this channel, there is more to come. And while I have got your attention, Schleicher will return from their works holidays on Monday. Kind regards Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Pre-worlds at Luesse, Germany
And both Aussie ASG's that came 2nd and 3rd were running our Altair/Vega vario glide computer systems! Nig Nigel Andrews RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Future Aviation Pty. Ltd. Sent: Thursday, 9 August 2007 9:22 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Pre-worlds at Luesse, Germany Hi all!!! I might be a bit slow - but better late than never! Feedback from the European competition scene makes for very good reading when wearing Schleicher glasses like me. First and second place in open class at the pre worlds in Luesse. Congratulations to Michael Sommer and Tassilo Bode flying ASW 22. Clean sweep in 15 m class at the pre worlds in Luesse. Congratulations to Georg, Martin and Florian Theisinger all flying ASW 27. Second place in 18 m class at the pre worlds in Luesse. Congratulations to Mac Ichikawa flying ASG 29 The Australian Boys (Graham Parker David Jansen) picked up their brand new ASG 29s only a few days prior to the competition. They did extremely well and could have finished up on the podium if it wasn't for an airspace infringement - zero points on one day. First place in the Ladies world comp in Romorantin (France). Congratulations to Sara Kelmann (UK) flying ASG 28 Clean sweep in 18 m class at the UK Nationals at Husbands Bosworth: Congratulations to Mike Young, Ed Johnston and Russell Cheetham, all flying ASG 29 E. Stay tuned to this channel, there is more to come. And while I have got your attention, Schleicher will return from their works holidays on Monday. Kind regards Bernard Eckey FUTURE AVIATION PTY. LTD. 10 Antigua Grove West Lakes 5021 Adelaide / South Australia Ph/Fax +61 8 8449 2871 mobile 0412 981204 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Rieti - Peter gets a first place in club
Peter Temple with an outstanding 1st in club class! Looks like Bruce had some bad luck outlanding the last day otherwise he would have won the comp (still came 10th), congrats to Terry who came a respectful 3rd in Standard and it looks like Simon must have had a few late nights on the Vino! The results link is http://www.wgcrieti.it/sabina-glide/results.asp Nig Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: Rieti -Bruce outlanded
Yes possibly it will be changed but I don't think it matters, outlandings are a bummer but we know he could have come first. Didn't realise Simon had an accident, will have to look back over the blog. Nig Bruce's final day score is 0 so maybe his logger is not in yet. Which means his placing could be higher. I'm guessing he could be 6th or higher. Its unfortunate that Simon's glider was damaged in an outlanding, putting him out of the comp. -Cath On 16/07/2007, at 8:02 AM, nandrews wrote: Peter Temple with an outstanding 1st in club class! Looks like Bruce had some bad luck outlanding the last day otherwise he would have won the comp (still came 10th), congrats to Terry who came a respectful 3rd in Standard and it looks like Simon must have had a few late nights on the Vino! The results link is http://www.wgcrieti.it/sabina-glide/results.asp Nig Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: More competition results
Good results for the Aussies! Did you see the start times for open? Must have been a bit crowded with all those wings. Nig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Conway Sent: Monday, 16 July 2007 1:05 PM To: Aus-Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] More competition results Congratulations also to the 18m guys flying at Lusse in Germany. Graham Parker was second and David Jansen was third on day 1 Link is http://www.wgc2008.org/ -Cath ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: Race is on..
You can't have a woolley dog after a woolley pup! Nig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Woolley Sent: Sunday, 8 July 2007 5:17 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Race is on.. Ok, so the QLD weather looked good today (unfortunately I was flying a C310 back from Gunnedah). Who was the first to do a 300km flight in the new financial year?! OR, who will be... WoolleyDog _ Advertisement: Search for local singles online at Lavalife http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Flavalife9%2Eninemsn%2Ecom%2E au%2Fclickthru%2Fclickthru%2Eact%3Fid%3Dninemsn%26context%3Dan99%26locale%3D en%5FAU%26a%3D29555_t=764581033_r=email_taglines_Search_m=EXT ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: Toowoomba (Ian McPhee)
Talking to Macca and we hope to have a trial Ozflarm and digital voice unit fitted for a 3 month period over the comps at DDSC and Kingaroy, will be interesting to see how it goes. Nig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce Sent: Sunday, 8 July 2007 7:27 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Toowoomba (Ian McPhee) Macca pity we got this this morning maybe someone who taped it can youtube it. Make sure you get them a Talking Flarm have the got a website were I can donate some cash or a form I can fax. http://www.careflight.com.au if this is there website its down. Mal Message: 3 Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2007 06:42:23 +1000 From: Ian McPhee [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Aus-soaring] 5.30PM Channel9 QLD TONIGHT and FLARM for Careflight Toowoomba To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Allan Mc Killop [EMAIL PROTECTED], Barry McKay [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Pilkington [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED], aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net, Giles Taylor\(BIGPOND\) [EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Midson\(wk\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 TODAYS Sat Afternoon there will be a segment on gliding at 5.30 CHANNEL 9 (July7). May be worth a look but only QLD Channel 9 - The glider in segemnt is G109c III which trust me is a very nice glider and much improved on the G 103 II for feel - infact one of the nicesest 2 seaters I have ever flown. To all in Qld and southern comps pilots..I have been approached by friend medical director of Careflight Qld re fitting FLARM to their rescue hellicopter based at Toowoomba. I do know last easter comps the fines (about $300 total guess) went to Careflight and if this were to be done at forthcoming Qld comps and Club Class Nationals then Gliding would be donating a FLARM to Careflight Toowoomba the one that would serve us if we were to need them. Remember Careflight have approached us and and it is nice to give them a gift they want and will remind all their pilots of gliding Just a thought Ian McPhee (skype macca304) Box 657 Byron Bay NSW 2481 Australia Tel +61(0)2 66847642 mob +61(0)428847642 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.mrsoaring.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/private/aus-soaring/attachments/200707 07/6744077f/attachment.html ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] rom Michele
Hi Nigel's Gliding Friends Nigel has come through his operation with flying colours, giving the nurses cheek! Thank you for your calls, emails and cards I have passed them all onto him. Sorry I don't have the time to talk or email you individually. Kind regards Michele Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: parachutes-7 years
Well 3 or 4 years ago I had 4 chutes to take down to my re packer, one of them had never been re packed since new, done 7 or more years off 400 hour a year plus flying and comps and the re packer commented that it was in perfect condition, opened fine! The only reason it got re packed was because of the recent requirement to have it done for comps. I am not saying this is a reason for longer re packs, just was an interesting happening as we all thought it would fall apart when it was opened. Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2007 8:05 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] parachutes I really can't remember what the opening time did after 12 months. Got a little slower again I think. Then again you have to ask about the difference between a parachute worn every day and one worn one day every two weeks and stored in a cool dry place in between. I suspect a lot of things are getting done in aviation because that's the way it always has been done possibly because inferior older technology set the requirements and then not being reviewed. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: Discus CS position available
Chris, There is a guy at the Boonah Gliding Club called Owen Morgan, he is the CFI and flew the Kingaroy Discus CS at the Dalby comps. Talking to him he was interested in buying one - you will need to get his number from someone, try the website. He has the money so he is not a tire kicker. Cheers Nig Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kiehn Sent: Friday, 25 May 2007 8:20 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Discus CS position available Due to unforseen circumstances, one of our customers is unfortunately unable to take delivery of a Discus CS that had been ordered, so there is an opportunity available to take over the position. Delivery is planned for October 07 ex factory. There are other gliders leaving the factory at the same time, so this is a great opportunity to take advantage of shared freight costs. Anyone interested in taking over the position and having a glider here for the '08 season, please contact me as soon as possible. Chris www.schempphirth.com http://www.schempphirth.com/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: E: Discus CS position available
Opps, didn't mean it to go on the forum. Sorry Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nandrews Sent: Saturday, 26 May 2007 7:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] E: Discus CS position available Chris, There is a guy at the Boonah Gliding Club called Owen Morgan, he is the CFI and flew the Kingaroy Discus CS at the Dalby comps. Talking to him he was interested in buying one - you will need to get his number from someone, try the website. He has the money so he is not a tire kicker. Cheers Nig Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kiehn Sent: Friday, 25 May 2007 8:20 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] Discus CS position available Due to unforseen circumstances, one of our customers is unfortunately unable to take delivery of a Discus CS that had been ordered, so there is an opportunity available to take over the position. Delivery is planned for October 07 ex factory. There are other gliders leaving the factory at the same time, so this is a great opportunity to take advantage of shared freight costs. Anyone interested in taking over the position and having a glider here for the '08 season, please contact me as soon as possible. Chris www.schempphirth.com http://www.schempphirth.com/ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] E:Discus fuel/canopy knob
Hi Mike, Yes I heard the same story and makes sense, I guess you just need to be aware of it and probably passed on to others when doing conversions. Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Monday, 30 April 2007 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] E:Discus fuel/canopy knob At 02:41 PM 30/04/2007, you wrote: Yep, my Ventus 2cx (T but no engine fitted) has the black canopy jettison knob followed by a black fuel cock knob - can be confusing! I painted mine red ( canopy knob that is). The only thing going for it is that if you pull it in flight accidentally the canopy doesn't actually jettison, I did it accidentally whilst having a brain drain thinking it was the water dump valve ( that's another black thingo on the same side and requires 2 hands sometimes to operate it!) - I quickly returned it back to its closed position, I guess if I had hit a bump it could have departed, luckily there is no spring loaded system. Nigel The canopy jettison on Schempp gliders used to be red until the canopy jettison tests were done in Germany where they found that by pulling both knobs the canopy would just lift up slightly, turn 90 degrees then bash the pilot in the face. The recommended method for bailing out of a Schempp glider now is to open the canopy and fling it vigorously open whereupon the hinges will break and the canopy disappear without hitting the pilot. As the Jettison knob(s) is/are traditionally red the right hand knob is not wanted to be used in an emergency exit so the right hand canopy jettison knob is a maintenance control now and painted black. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Flarm update V3.0.8
Hi All, A non critical update is available which has fixed a bug in the OLC side, no need to update if you are not using it for the OLC but check that you have 3.0.7 installed as at a recent comp some still had 3.0.2! http://www.flarm.com/support/updates/index_en.html Use the update if you already have it on your P.C, use the full installation if you have no previous versions installed. Cheers Nigel RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] See our new flarm products like our 57mm display at Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E:Discus fuel/canopy knob
Yep, my Ventus 2cx (T but no engine fitted) has the black canopy jettison knob followed by a black fuel cock knob - can be confusing! I painted mine red ( canopy knob that is). The only thing going for it is that if you pull it in flight accidentally the canopy doesn't actually jettison, I did it accidentally whilst having a brain drain thinking it was the water dump valve ( that's another black thingo on the same side and requires 2 hands sometimes to operate it!) - I quickly returned it back to its closed position, I guess if I had hit a bump it could have departed, luckily there is no spring loaded system. Nigel Could be worse: Confusing the fuel cock and canopy jettison on a Discus 2T could make life interesting... - mark I tried an internal modem,[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it hurt when I walked. Mark Newton - Voice: +61-4-1620-2223 - Fax: +61-8-82356937 - ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Easter Comp pics - Dalby
A friend of mine posted 200 plus pics of a few days at the comp - see http://vk4tec.no-ip.org/data/gliders2/gliders/ Note the new CAMEL - KML ( 150/180) paint scheme, really stands out in the air. Note the Cu in the last pics - 9 days straight comp flying ( 3 blue ) can't wait till Chinchilla next year! Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] cool jugs
Ian, I think they are being marketed as COOL JUGS, as at Oshkosh a few years ago one of the salesman had a teeshirt with nice set of jugs in text on it and showing a set of the cooling jackets or JUGS over a cylinder. Trust the Yanks to come up with a product name like that, like the restaurant nearby which was HOOTERS and it had nothing to do with horns on cars. Cheers Nig -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian McPhee Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 7:31 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Re: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 43, Issue 24 Personally I think a simple way to go would be cool heads added to Lycoming and just have the water cooling system to add to aircraft. THere is a lot of work to reengine a plane trust me and if you eventually get there you must always keep a close look for cracks in engine mounts and exhaust. Ian M - Original Message - From: Wayne Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 1:16 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Re: Aus-soaring Digest, Vol 43, Issue 24 Gotta be liquid cooled, Anthony, or we are still in the dark ages. Its not just the thermal shock imposed on tug engines specifically that favours jacketed engines, the internal tolerances can be sharpened considerably due to the limited temperature changes, improving power, emissions, wear and overall reliablilty. Noise output also goes down, cleaning is simpler although there is an argument for reliabililty due to coolant system failure (more bits, basically) I am not currently up to speed, however a few years back (8-10) both Cummins and GM / Detroit heavy motors stated their #1 engine failure cause was coolant system fault. Current engine managments systems can get you home / safe with a full coolant system loss, albeit at a significantly reduced power output. I do like the 3000 hour bit though Wayne Carter ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.4.0/762 - Release Date: 4/15/2007 4:22 PM ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Oz search engine
Found an interesting search engine for Oz businesses http://www.bigroo.com/ Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] Easter Results
The way you have been flying Joe lately Bruce might be the one worried!
Do I have a few years yet before you think of getting into 18 metre?
Nig
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davis, Jo
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 2:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Easter Results
Speaking of pilot ability ruining handicaps, I don’t suppose you would consider
flying a Std Cirrus instead of a 19 Bruce?
:-)
Jo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kiehn
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 2:28 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Bruce Taylor
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Easter Results
Of course not Bruce. When the placings are bad it is the pilots fault and when
they are good, the aeroplane did it. Quite simple and interchangeable with any
sport really. :-)
If you are going to look at the handicaps again, I take it you will be wanting
to handicap the 'kinky wings' down to a 'straight wing' level?
:-)
Chris
On Mon Apr 16 11:51 , Bruce Taylor sent:
Obviously we will have to look at Kinky Wings handicaps now, as two V2CX's in
the first couple of places must mean we have got it wrong! Surely it has
nothing to do with the pilots...
BT
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Thanks Adam,
Yes, I agree, the new class structure seems to be working extremely well.
Does one get a better handicap for having kinky wings? ;-)
Congratulations to Butch and Woolley Pup.
Chris
www.schempphirth.com
On Mon Apr 16 8:31 , Adam Woolley sent:
G'day All,
Great time was had by all, with the new classing structure working very
well.
The results for the grand champion scale were:
1st: John Buchannan (Ventus 2cx) - 5days - 7883
2nd: Chris Woolley (Ventus 2cxM) - 8days - 7599
3rd: Paul Mander/David McManus (ASH25) - 8days - 7478
4th: Allan Barnes (LS1f) - 4days - 7421
Regards
Woolley Pup Pup
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E: [Aus-soaring] Easter Resul
Sorry I meant “Jo”
I know too many Jo’s / Joes
Might be old age creeping in
Nig
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Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 3:14 PM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: E: [Aus-soaring] Easter Resul
The way you have been flying Joe lately Bruce might be the one worried!
Do I have a few years yet before you think of getting into 18 metre?
Nig
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Davis, Jo
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 2:43 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Easter Results
Speaking of pilot ability ruining handicaps, I don’t suppose you would consider
flying a Std Cirrus instead of a 19 Bruce?
:-)
Jo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Kiehn
Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 2:28 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.; Bruce Taylor
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Easter Results
Of course not Bruce. When the placings are bad it is the pilots fault and when
they are good, the aeroplane did it. Quite simple and interchangeable with any
sport really. :-)
If you are going to look at the handicaps again, I take it you will be wanting
to handicap the 'kinky wings' down to a 'straight wing' level?
:-)
Chris
On Mon Apr 16 11:51 , Bruce Taylor sent:
Obviously we will have to look at Kinky Wings handicaps now, as two V2CX's in
the first couple of places must mean we have got it wrong! Surely it has
nothing to do with the pilots...
BT
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Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Easter Results
Thanks Adam,
Yes, I agree, the new class structure seems to be working extremely well.
Does one get a better handicap for having kinky wings? ;-)
Congratulations to Butch and Woolley Pup.
Chris
www.schempphirth.com
On Mon Apr 16 8:31 , Adam Woolley sent:
G'day All,
Great time was had by all, with the new classing structure working very
well.
The results for the grand champion scale were:
1st: John Buchannan (Ventus 2cx) - 5days - 7883
2nd: Chris Woolley (Ventus 2cxM) - 8days - 7599
3rd: Paul Mander/David McManus (ASH25) - 8days - 7478
4th: Allan Barnes (LS1f) - 4days - 7421
Regards
Woolley Pup Pup
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E: [Aus-soaring] Solar flares 'may threaten GPS'
This is why INS ( inertia navigation system ) is being perfected for handheld and mobile GPS, the aim is to use the GPS as a reference update and the INS for the real navigation. We have had INS for 30 years or more in the airlines. In the event of GPS loss the INS can be manually updated by known co ordinates and in the U.K a very successful VLF (very low frequency) system which covered the U.K and most of eastern Europe had no GPS and used the received signals to navigate and INS as well to provide an extremely reliable system - when GPS came along it died a natural death. Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mal Bruce Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2007 7:11 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] Solar flares 'may threaten GPS' a.. April 5, 2007 - 6:54AM Powerful radio bursts from the sun may threaten the Global Positioning System (GPS), American scientists say. The technology is increasingly vital for activities including navigating cars and airplanes, bank financial transfers and more. Our increasingly technologically dependent society is becoming increasingly vulnerable to space weather, David L Johnson, director of the US National Weather Service, said at a briefing. GPS receivers have become widely used in recent years, using satellite signals to navigate airplanes, ships and automobiles, and in the use of mobile phones, mining, surveying and many commercial applications. Indeed, banks use the system to synchronise money transfers, so space weather can affect all of us, right down to our wallet, said Anthea J Coster, an atmospheric scientist at the Haystack Observatory of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The cause for their concern, Johnson said, was an unexpected solar radio burst on December 6 that affected virtually every GPS receiver on the lighted half of Earth. Some receivers had a reduction in accuracy while others lost the ability to determine position, he said. Solar activity rises and falls in 11-year cycles with the next peak expected in 2011. If that increasing level of activity produces more such radio bursts the GPS system could be seriously affected, the researchers said. And protecting the system is no simple task, added Paul M Kintner Jr, a professor of electrical engineering at Cornell University, who monitored the December event. There are two possible ways to shield the system, he said, both very expensive. Either alter all GPS antennas to screen out solar signals or replace all the GPS satellites with ones that broadcast a stronger signal. That is why it is essential to learn more about the sun's behaviour quickly in an effort to find ways to predict such events, the researchers said. In addition to the GPS system, the December solar flare affected satellites and induced unexpected currents in the electrical grid, Johnson said. The effects were more profound than we expected and more widespread than we expected, added Kintner. Dale E Gary, chairman of the physics department of the New Jersey Institute of Technology, said the burst produced 10 times more radio noise than any burst previously recorded. The difference between that burst and normal solar radio emissions was like the difference between the noise level of a normal conversation and the noise level in the front row of a rock concert, he said. This is a wake-up call to improve technology, commented Anthony J Mannucci, group supervisor at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. Patricia H Doherty, co-director of the Institute for Scientific Research at Boston College, said the burst affected but did not shut down the Federal Aviation Administration's Wide Area Augmentation System, which uses GPS signals to help in navigation. Most WAAS ground stations maintained contact with enough satellites to continue working, although their accuracy was somewhat affected, she said. The stations have to maintain contact with at least four satellites to work, but they usually monitor at least 10 to increase their accuracy, she said. Most were able to meet the minimum, she said. The briefing came at a Space Weather Enterprise Forum convened by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to discuss the effects of solar activity.
[Aus-soaring] dalby turnpoint file
Hi all, A little late but there none the less, the Dalby 07 file can be downloaded at the turnpoint exchange - http://soaringweb.org/TP/Dalby See you all there - weathers still looking good! Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Last request for numbers
Hi All, Easter comps is only a week away and the list is getting full. We need to decide on a 6th tug, can anyone who has not entered please advise and if you know of someone coming who is not on the list let me know, thanks. Link is http://www.boonahgliding.com.au/blueclouds/eastercompsentrants.html The organizing is well under control and the weather has just been brilliant! Should be a ripper week with maybe some local records broken for speed as the downs is just so dry and the warm weather is still with us with any trough systems passing through being relatively weak in terms of thunderstorms but producing some excellent weather. See you all there! Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ets - ASH25 and experimental
Paul Mander plans to fit 2 x 70kg thrust jets to his ASH25, I believe he is only a few months away from this happening. Also I saw some photos of an ASW20?? At Corowa fitted with a jet - did it ever fly? There is also a Swiss company selling a bolt on jet pack for gliders, they do not retract it as they claim the drag is not noticeable. One of the comments from them was that you needed some help with getting the glider to initially roll, I think they used a belly hook - car combo, possibly a Bungee. All of us who have owned a self launcher know the problems you get if the ground is a bit soft or someone turns you around and digs a small hole - requires lots of power and maybe a push to get going! The HPH guys have fitted a jet to their glider as well, I gather they are not happy with what they have - possibly there is an update to this report somewhere as I did see a graph with the climb out/climb performance and it was pretty ordinary. There are a few of us here in Qld who already have the engine bays, doors, fuel tanks installed ready to see what combination works and when one is going then fit it - this has to be the best alternative to screaming pistons and props (other than maybe the electric engines when the technology matures). Also some education to the insurance companies to see what happens to our premiums as the gliders no longer fall under the manufacturers original certification and require registration under the experimental certificate UNLESS some form of STC can be done to cover a generic installation, might be possible - I am not sure how the gliding paperwork would work, maybe a certification boffin out there can comment? Cheers Nigel ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Jets- reply to Robert
Robert, have you heard of any of these high bypass jets being developed for models and UAV's etc? Will be interesting to see how Mikes combo goes, I would prefer a single engine solution though. Great to see some meaningful discussion where you get to learn something! Nig Peter Creswick wrote: A good rule of thumb for take off calculations is (0.7 x static thrust) / AUW, which gives acceleration in g (which is a very small figure) The 0.7 is to average thrust during the ground roll, since increasing ram drag reduces net thrust with increasing speed, making the calculation easier. Then of course you have to factor in slope, rolling resistance, and increasing aero drag and don't forget induced drag at rotation. The kicker is the static thrust - which is modified by the Froude efficiency. Basically, this is the ratio between the speed of the aircraft divided by the speed of the gas leaving the jet engine nozzle. So when the glider is stationary, the Froude efficiency is close to zero and so there is very little thrust for a standard (no or low bybass turbojet). This is why I (and many others) are hanging out for high bypass turbojets. Whilst these will be larger diameter, it is likely that two of these jets will not be needed for a 15m glider and a single high bypass turbojet will provide all the thrust needed for a reasonable, unassisted take off. [A high bypass turbojet passes only a relatively small amount of the air that is accelerated by the first stage compressor through the actual combustion chambers. The remaining air bypasses this route and is mixed with the hot, high velocity gas that comes from the combustion chambers, resulting a much larger mass of lower velocity air, so producing an engine with a higher Froude efficiency.] -- Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Specs on 304S with JET option
http://www.hph.cz/304s_technical.php?lang=en Nigel Andrews RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Jet simulator
Looking for turbofans I found this interesting program at a NASA site - see http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/ngnsim.html I think we should wait and see the 2 jet performance in Mikes set up though I principally agree with Roberts thoughts, with over 400 hours in a self launcher I never had a failure at launch, plenty in the air trying to airstart and usually due to the extend mechanism not extending (limit switches, loose wires - bung coils) or trying to start on the ground, engine flooding, fuel or electrical problems. If these jets/turbofans climb as well as they should a single engine failure would still give you a go around option with the added advantage of not having the prop dive brake wind milling UNLESS you didn't achieve an initial climb rate out and this put you over trees. As for reliability in flight, if it doesn't work land in the paddock you are over - or should be, twin engines, single engines all mean nothing if the lift mechanism fails or the fuel is contaminated - either way you still should have an out landing option! I have seen Billys electic wheel, great idea but a lot of work to install, lots of wiring and a very expensive battery pack. Good idea for an initial design in a new glider which is really where he is coming from and what a great lateral thinker he is. No one has commented on certification or insurance issues - can we get away with a legal conversion (STC, CAR35) under the current GFA VH registration for certified aircraft or does it have to go experimental? Maybe I should be asking the GFA - I hate it when I answer my own questions. Cheers Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Hart Sent: Monday, 26 March 2007 12:40 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Jets Mike Borgelt wrote: Two engines have lots of advantages when you think about it for a while. Certainly - but they also have their downsides - increased complexity of controls, fuel runs etc. I am not too much worried about an engine failure in a jet powered glider as it will present only one additional issue (that of an engine fire) over an aerotowed take off. I also think a single engine will be just fine for a 'return to base' - if I am worried about fuel consumption I'll just cruise/climb (rather than cruise) and then turn the engine off for a standard final glide home. A turbofan(aka high bypass turbojet) also has a second turbine, a fan, another shaft and two more bearings. i.e. another engine minus the combustion chamber without the redundancy features of a second engine. The fan and turbine are larger too so the thing is likely to cost about the same as two engines and weigh at least as much. I have heard (but cannot point at a source) that small turbofans are being developed with a single shaft and turbine. I have no idea what the performance will be like, but I am prepared to accept a lower overall efficiency for significantly increased thrust at low speeds and the much shorter take off run that results. A self launching engine is not designed to cruise - it will probably operate for under 10 minutes on most runs, with the occasional longer run (recovery from out landing, repositioning or some such). Aero drag will likely be at least twice that of two turbojets so extending the engine will probably be more noticeable and for cruise there will be increased aero drag increasing fuel consumption. Have to disagree there. I would suspect that the frontal area of the turbofan will be somewhat more than twice that of a single turbojet, but the front is predominantly a hole and not part of profile drag in either case when the engine is running. In terms of boundary layer drag, the two engine solution you are proposing will have more skin are and hence more boundary layer than the single turbofan. The small turbines I've seen all have only one fuel pump and it is battery driven. Likely with one engine you will want two pumps and two batteries. Two engines gives you this right away and vastly decreases the chances of an outlanding due to failure to start. The two batteries can be organised to run both engines if need be too, further decreasing chances of even a single engine failure. I can live with out landing - after all, this is what I already do. I would be quite happy with a single pump/battery system with my single engine - I don't need 'twin reliability' when all I want is a self launch and retrieve capability. If things go pear shaped, I will be in a paddock. So what if I have a cheaper, simpler system (as long as it doesn't catch fire)? Two small diameter engines also means lots easier structural mods to get them in an existing glider. I don't think so - two 100mm diameter engines could create more hassles than a singe 200mm one... The tradeoffs on this aren't at all obvious at first. Certainly - and won't be until we
E: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera
Dave, is this a PDA running in the tug? We have a 57mm LCD device called Flarm-NAV (soon to be released) which it could be possible to do a tug release message on it, also would give the tugs a GPS screen to navigate by if they need to go on a retrieve. Cheers Nigel Nigel Andrews A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Shorter Sent: Wednesday, 14 March 2007 7:05 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Cc: David Soutar Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Hi Michael, You should talk with David Soutar who is well advanced with the software to identify glider release using Flarms in tug vs glider. We hope to get this going as part of our Fltops flight data recording system by next summer soaring season. Dave - Original Message - From: Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Shirley To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 11:34 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Rear Vision Camera Lake Keepit is experimenting with an on board Tost rope recoil winch on our eTug that eliminates loss of rings, eliminates risk of tug upset (tug has a guillotine on the rope) reduces taxiing time, saving time and fuel. To speed up take up slack we want to mount a small video camera on the tug release bracket to see a colour marker on the rope (indicating rope nearly out) and also to see the glider has released. eTug has the ability to descend abruptly so safety demands certainty of glider release. Most car and truck rear vision cameras have a wide angle view - 95 to 110 degrees. We need about 45 degrees - can anyone help source a robust water resistant 12v video camera? Michael Shirley _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Hornet for sale
Hi all, Excuse the for sale pitch but a friend of mine has asked to post a quick ad for him, Hornet for sale 2,000 hours , wings sanded professionally and painted in Poly U , winglets , basic instruments , excellent enclosed trailer , VH-GSD , asking $25,000 - call Graeme Mckenzie 0407 742056 Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] Dalby
Hi All, If you intend coming to Dalby and are not on the list www.boonahgliding.com.au/blueclouds/eastercompsentrants.html could you let me know so we can include your entry and figure out how many tugs we need. Thanks So far preparations are going well. There will be the usual onsite Marquee. Camping on site is available and there are still plenty of rooms in the local motels. Weather has been great, most of the heavy rain has been in the north and west and promises to provide our usual Easter weather. There will be the Mayors BBQ night which is free to entrants, a free beer to those who come from interstate, 2 if you come from W.A Where's those Keepit guys , Dave,Nick,Alan,Geoff... ?? Cheers Nigel **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] Dalby
Thanks Dave, will update it now. Look forward to seeing you there. Cheers Nigel Nigel Andrews Managing Director RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Shorter Sent: Thursday, 22 February 2007 7:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Dalby Hi Nigel, My entry was mailed a month ago and my cheque has been cashed so it looks like I'm going - but my name is not on your list. Can I suggest you check your entries secretary. I understand Allan and Nick won't be coming. Dave - Original Message - From: nandrews mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia.' Cc: 'Ron mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Mcleay' Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 8:11 AM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Dalby Hi All, If you intend coming to Dalby and are not on the list www.boonahgliding.com.au/blueclouds/eastercompsentrants.html could you let me know so we can include your entry and figure out how many tugs we need. Thanks So far preparations are going well. There will be the usual onsite Marquee. Camping on site is available and there are still plenty of rooms in the local motels. Weather has been great, most of the heavy rain has been in the north and west and promises to provide our usual Easter weather. There will be the Mayors BBQ night which is free to entrants, a free beer to those who come from interstate, 2 if you come from W.A Where's those Keepit guys , Dave,Nick,Alan,Geoff... ?? Cheers Nigel **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] RE: Condor Soaring Simualtor
Flying the ASK13 I nearly always end up in a ground loop, select the Ventus 2 and take off is fine. Strange. Nigel _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stuart Kerri FERGUSON Sent: Thursday, 15 February 2007 12:38 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] RE: Condor Soaring Simualtor Agree - the aero tow is challenge, as Nick said the real thing is easier. SDF _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Gilbert Sent: Thursday, 15 February 2007 1:22 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: Condor Soaring Simualtor was Re: [Aus-soaring] Male v Female Ingliding: is it sexist? Jeez Peter, I don't know what to say - it not easy (I would say harder than the real thing), but it can be done... If you are struggling with it, try a bit more airbrake. Nick. On 2/15/07, Peter Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On using the Condor flight simulator, I have not been able to properly perform an aero tow to any great height but can winch launch, fly, thermal, land etc. satisfactorily. With the aero-tow, I keep catching up to the tug. I have tried launching with the air-brakes cracked to no avail. How do others do it? PeterS - Original Message - From: Emilis mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Prelgauskas To: Discussion of issues relating to mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Soaring in Australia. Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Male v Female In gliding: is it sexist? In the same vein, from an earlier generation development committee came this insight: A factor in some people's reluctance in entry to the sport, is that all the early learning (and the mistakes) are made in a very public environment (local flying in full view of all the club members). That some people (proposed by a female contributor) favour that phase of learning to be more private - eg using a flight simulator. _ ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] .Best Easter event
Yep your right, I remember the steak patties 2 years ago O.K, the best comp in Queensland Cheers Nigel Nigel Almost the only one! The last two Club Class comps at Benalla each had a freebie BBQ put on by Council!! Maybe you're just thinking about Queensland? Regards John _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nandrews Sent: Wednesday, 7 February 2007 2:31 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: [Aus-soaring] .Best Easter event Hey Chris, don't forget the best gliding Easter event would have to be the Queensland Easter comps which has I believe the only council funded free BBQ night in Australia? Got to be worth coming just for that. Entries are arriving already and there are still Motel rooms in town available and camping onsite. Cheers Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] .Best Easter event
Hey Chris, don't forget the best gliding Easter event would have to be the Queensland Easter comps which has I believe the only council funded free BBQ night in Australia? Got to be worth coming just for that. Entries are arriving already and there are still Motel rooms in town available and camping onsite. Cheers Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: TCAS
-BTW I asked two pilots with lots of experience flying in the system -and they aren't aware of any TCAS caused accidents. A goggle search finds quite a few references to equipment failure and pilot error, the following shows equipment error in its altitude reporting - a mechanical fault http://www.cs.york.ac.uk/hise/safety-critical-archive/1999/0158.html Nigel Andrews ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] /C transponders and TCAS
Another interesting fault in TCAS is TCAS to mode A/C as shown in various documents known as the P4 problem, a study was done www.airsport-corp.com/dot_faa_ct-97_7.pdf This is largely a non advertised issue with the current system but hundreds of incidents worldwide a reported on this. Whilst not strictly the TCAS we know off ( air to air reporting and collision avoidance using Mode S ) it is still part of the TCAS system, i.e its ability to receive mode A/C equipped aircraft. The P4 problem usually affects older transponders who's timing which was largely based on capacitors and ditch digger circuits would age causing the units to not reply, or some recent avionics had a software problem which we will not go into. So what does this mean, well potentially a guy in a 172 doing the right thing, set to 1200 on his transponder under cloud is totally unaware that his old 70's transponder may be invisible to other TCAS equipped commuters, this could be at Bundaberg with him outgoing and a DASH 8 on top descending inbound, because until to get to about 5,000 ft ATC will not SEE the 172 on radar they are un able to alert the descending Dash 8 - we now rely on radio and visual and the big sky. O.K, back to work Nigel RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 1 February 2007 5:54 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] .Flarm antenna At 05:22 PM 1/02/2007, you wrote: Mike Wrote: Well don't keep us all in suspense. What was it? Which ever glider is not booked at the club (since they are all Flarm equiped) Chad Nowak The serious situation, not the glider. How did it occur and and what led up to it? Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] .Flarm antenna
I have not read the German incident but I am sure we will see others and possibly in Australia we might have a collision between 2 flarm equipped aircraft - I hope not - the technology does not guarantee safety - we all know that but I have equally many emails, personal conversations and even a few on this forum who have said that flarm may have prevented them from having an accident and that's what it is all about, providing some sort of pre warning or display of traffic. Even TCAS with is high price tag in commercial airliners has its faults and has resulted in accidents. Harry brought up a point on his accident, had he known the guy was behind him he would not have hooked into the thermal or if he did probably with extra caution. David and others are right, the information needs to be handled properly and in situations where one might get confused as we see in early pilots working controlled airspace and in particular getting information overload from ATC the first thing drummed in is Aviate, Navigate , communicate - I guess the same can be said here, in thermals where the screen is lit up and false alarms occur its business as usual - lookout, maintain safe separation and if you don't like it leave the thermal. I too am concerned about complacency, but this would relate to any technology introduced, I am sure a lack of see and avoid in the start line area for some can be attributed to a few trying to enter the start point into a computer or PDA, or staring at a GPS to make sure they enter the circle correctly or just poor visibility or all of the above. I must apologise I didn't see Marks remarks - if 2 threats are in alarm both will flash, it does not distinguish currently the highest to lowest, that is the OzFlarm does not - not sure what the other do. We did this because the threat status might change from one to the other - this would be confusing so we though show both - if any one has any ideas contact me direct on my email. Nigel Andrews -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2007 2:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] .Flarm antenna This started as a comment about wider applicability of the technology to the wider GA community. AS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED the flarm units are not that suitable due to reduced range and airframe shielding issues which Nigel himself mentioned in a private email to me as a result of an earlier post of mine on this group. To get good performance in these aircraft external antennas are necessary. He also mentioned that there were some issues with reduced performance due to airframe shielding on carbon gliders. I wasn't aware that this was much of a problem in gliders until he himself mentioned the new canopy antenna which would hopefully address these issues, on this group. I find this somewhat disappointing in view of the large numbers of Flarms sold in Europe prior to their adoption here. Then again, head on in the Alps, wings level, the airframe shielding is probably minimal and Flarm performance most satisfactory against the primary collision threat. Back to the GA aircraft. Now pretty obviously a unit that just installs on top of the instrument panel in a Cessa and plugs in to the cigarette lighter is going to be more rapidly and widely adopted than one which requires the services of an an avionics tech and some CASA paperwork. Likewise for the commuter airline folks. Unfortunately it appears that the simple installation won't work well in these cases and these installations will be more complex and expensive. Pity. Someone might like to get the German article I linked to translated. My Google attempt resulted in only half the article being translated. A couple of guys with Flarms got a nasty fright and could easily have collided when flying in cross country in company. Back when I flew contests everyone was very worried about the mid air risk but on thinking about it the major worry was the thrashing around in broken lift in large gaggles pre start where there were too many gliders to keep track of. With the best will in the world it was always possible for a potential collision to eventuate and then someone taking evasive action could cause another. Apart from the odd oaf who entered thermals by pointing his glider at one already in it (we knew who they were, mostly), enroute wasn't such a worry as the traffic density was lower and gliders ahead of you were potential thermal markers so it was in everyone's interest to look for these. In the 10 or 11 years of flying State and National level FAI contests (7) I don't remember anyone actually having a mid air. These were contests with up to 81 gliders. Maybe it was just a statistical quiet period due to chance. I'm finding the defensive reactions to any criticism of Flarm fascinating. Reminds me of
E: [Aus-soaring] Flarm in commuter aircraft
Short update on flarm in Australia Mike, Flarm ( or Ozflarm) is being used in several G.A aircraft using the external antenna we had designed, the c150 at Boonah was the first to trial this and it works well. 2 ozflarms are currently being trialled in commuter aircraft in New Zealand and 40 were recently trialed at Omarama at their nationals and subsequently sold to all the pilots. The commuter aircraft trialing the system operate into those areas as well so the data from this will be interesting. Flarm and ourselves are working on a reliable system for G.A that will offer a 5nm range. A combined Flarm/ADS-B system will be demonstrated soon to airservices for future developments to aid ADS-B as it is now recognized that a large number of gliders are fitted with Flarm. We also have a Super Kingair being fitted which frequents glider areas - will be good to see how this goes. A trial which started 2 weeks ago involving two ultralights fitted with Ozflarms has begun and so far the results are impressive, again using external 4 db antennas and flying in and around high density glider traffic it has amazed the guys at what they do not see in a circuit. Outside G.A we have 2 units for loan/trial being prepared to go into trains for testing - interesting to see what happens here. WE have also developed a high gain antenna for canopies which is basically a clear film with the antenna imprinted on to it, like the demister in a car. It offers both vertical and horizontal polarization which helps resolve our loss of signals when thermalling - will be available soon. Cheers Nigel RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Wednesday, 31 January 2007 7:13 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] From Harry Medlicott At 09:38 PM 29/01/2007, you wrote: Harry Todd was at a industry meeting recently representing one of the airlines he is with (this time LAME/commuter hat) and the topic of FLARM came up and was mention with the use of FLARM, that gliding has the jump on GA and commuters on short range collision avoidance . He is worth a talk and I know he recently got one for his LS4 and he has never used one. He is worth a talkIan M Flarm range is probably too short to be much use in the higher performance GA and commuter airline aircraft. I understand there are airframe shielding issues even in Cessna's etc as well as carbon fibre aircraft.. It would be interesting to see if the current Flarm can get out of a commuter airliner windscreen as I believe they are electrically heated. Here's a link to an interesting article on the Schempp website. Unfortunately it is in German and the article only appears on the German language part of the site. http://www.schempp-hirth.com/index.php?id=126L=0tx_ttnews[tt_news]=116tx_ ttnews[backPid]=88cHash=fb11b5ed37 Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] .Flarm antenna
What are you going on about Mike? No one said the existing antenna was not working and it is fine for most installations out of the box which is what we have used for the last 14 months. In some cases Carbon fibre fuses can block SOME of the signal, not all of it AND in some cases cross polarization has an effect - BUT does not stop the signal, it reduces the range so instead of seeing 3km's you might see 2km's and only effects some of the circle and I also suspect not all of this is polarization it can also be the fuse blocking as well but I say again, this is how it was designed and this is what we have been using. As a fringe benefit to our on going RD into a COVERT style antennas which was requested by maybe 30 pilots over the year we developed the on canopy system and as a by product of the design as we discovered that it worked well on cross polarization. So, if you want to have a clear, nearly invisible antenna with improved performance then buy one, not all will want to as they are happy with the little dick antenna supplied WHICH works fine - are you receiving Mike? No point in getting personal to our GQ rep about mandating flarm in GQ, pilots voted at the State comps at DDSC in 2005, the NSW and Club class comps in 2006 and 2007 to strongly recommend mandating them at comps, as did the pilots at the N.Z Nats at Omarama for future Omarama comps , I might add these are pilots recommendations and still need to be ratified at higher levels but GQ did what they thought was best for the sport at the time with the available system at the time and with the vote of pilots at the pilot meeting at the time which might not be the views of non competing pilots which is fine as it is not a mandate for gliders outside of comps and I agree with that - always have. Nigel At 11:26 AM 31/01/2007, you wrote: Mike Borgelt wrote: Just where did Nigel say that such an antenna was /*required*/? For some gliders this /*may*/ be the only option (although I doubt it) but (as a FLARM owner) I have not been told I will have to change from my current antenna to a new, transparent one! Given that he was talking about fixing known shortcomings, is your organisation, which made FLARM compulsory for contests in Queensland going to be happy with installations offering less than optimum performance? Are you going to persist with the old one when by putting in a new antenna the system performance will be improved? I do not see any change to the affordability of FLARM. When an ADS-B add on becomes available (and enough of the GA fleet has ADS-B), I suspect I'll buy one, but that does not change the base cost of FLARM. As for the cost of FLARM to higher end GA aircraft (because they have to penetrate the pressure cabin to mount an external aerial), that is hardly the fault of FLARM is it? I'm unable to make any sense of that last paragraph. I would have thought that the cost we are concerned with is the total system cost. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ccomodation Dalby
Me again, Sorry for the updates on the QLD Easter comp but for those looking for motel rooms at Dalby Simon Brown has made a generous offer of allocating 20 rooms at $40.00 each per night, not sure if it's the same for doubles but it is about a $28.00 discount. Reservations are Dalby Parkview Motel - 0746623222 The rooms are quite good plus he usually throws a BBQ which has become a tradition. Cheers Nigel The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] aster comps web now up
Hi All, The Boonah Gliding Centre has posted the Queensland Easter comp site 2007 , go to http://www.boonahgliding.com.au/blueclouds/eastercompsindex.html The downs is like the rest of Australia, bone dry so if this keeps up the weather will be great, like the state comps we should get 8 flying days - but, its gliding, we might miss a day! I believe there will be some caravans for hire ON site, keep checking the web page for details but a call for caravans resulted in some being made available. Cheers Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] alby Queensland Easter comps
Hi All, This year the Queensland Sports and 2 seater comps is being held at Dalby over the traditional Easter period which is practice day on Good Friday ( 6th of April ) to the following Saturday week which is the 14th of April. This gives 8 full days of fun comp flying. This time of the year can produce excellent days and Dalby is a good site to task from. The comps are an un ballasted, handicapped event so no water hassles. The comp is being run this year by the Boonah Gliding Centre which ran lasts years event at Chinchilla and did a good job. DDSC guys are also helping out so come along. The Boonah guys have assured me the web page will be up and running soon with entry forms etc. A link to their site is http://www.boonahgliding.com.au/ Last time I checked they had not posted the page but it should happen soon. Onsite camping is being made available, the local motels at this stage have rooms BUT the caravan parks are filling fast - do not delay if you intend to book a cabin or caravan! As is the norm for this comp costs are kept low so as to encourage all age groups. The two seater class is a great way to have clubs battle out this title as we have seen in the past and is a good opportunity to introduce up and coming pilots to comp flying. See you there. Cheers Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] nother 18 metre glider flies
Hi All, Another new 18 metre design flew last month see http://www.hph.cz/ Cheers Nigel RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com http://www.rf-developments.com/ Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] RE: first flight - more of those kinks
It will never go any good with those drag inducing kinks! Mike, what price are they selling them for? Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Saturday, 16 December 2006 10:12 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] RE: first flight The JS1 has flown. see www.jonkersailplanes.co.za Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] No sea breeze at Gawler today
Fantastic flights - what a start to Summer! Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Moore Sent: Sunday, 10 December 2006 12:21 AM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] No sea breeze at Gawler today The temp trace this morning looked good thermals to 19,000' winds at the lower levels from the north east and moderating during he morning. This prompted a race for the Aerodrome this morning to claim aircraft. Flights of note John Nicholls Discus 760 km out and return to Parachilina in five hours 152 Km/hr Terry Cubley a 1040 km Triangle North To Death Rock East to Redcilffe South east of Mildura 9.5 hrs 109 Km/hr max alt 13000' Peter Temple out and return to Farina 1017km @118 Km/hr on the way home he 500km averaging 160 Km/hr max ht 17000' still some distance below cloud base. For those interested you may wish to view the Australian gliding records page because I think Peter may have broken or set 3 Australian records. Jade Palmer a Junior pilot got her Gold height with a climb to 14500' Club members were able to watch the flights of Terry on his 1000k flight and Sean Jorgensen-Day on a Local 300km flight on Silent Wings Viewer The System that will be used During the Grand Prix to watch the pilots racing around the various tasks thanks to Internode systems Pty Ltd a national Internet provider among other IT initiatives. http://www.silentwings.no/ You will not be able to get the simulation of the glider flying in the grand prix until the practise days 28-29 Dec. I suggest you log in a few days before to down load the Australian scenery and get used to using the Programme. Unfortunately I was involved in supervising the flying a new generation of glider pilots from the Australian Air Force Cadets in a motor glider and was on the ground all day. Regards Rob Moore 08 82588026 home 0412 055 888 mobile ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] E: Audio voice Varios
The Vega audio - voice vario was largely engineered here in Australia by a very smart fellow down in Victoria who also flys gliders every chance he gets so he tests a lot of the design himself. It has an output to drive a needle slave, same as the B50 and B500 and Cambridge L nav etc - my Vega drives my glide computer which has a needle display. The vario has some neat features with the audio such as an averager callout of thermal strength as well as a user definable audio tone selection - you can select b50 tones, Cambridge , zander or create your own. The system uses the T.E , static and has on board accelerometers, uses DSP processing techniques, software updateable via an on board SD flash card ( pops out from the front )which also doubles as an IGC download of the flarm files from your flarm device. The audio also supports flarm messaging, undercarriage alerts and other user defineable alerts as well as a stall warning system based on the OSTIF award winning design developed a decade ago, requires a small static like port to be drilled in the nose. You can download the manuals for this vario at our website www.rf-developments.com go to the products page. There are about 15 flying in Oz since April this year. You can also then interface to a PDA or a dedicated glide computer such as the Altair with colour moving map etc. I also have another vario which is mainly my back up instead of a mechanical designed and manufactured by Tasman instruments in Victoria ( see www.tasmaninstruments.com.au ) I have used other varios before and this one is as good as they get, uses latest technology sensors and can run off a standby 9v battery and also designed in Victoria by another smart Victorian - must be all that cold weather keeps them inside in winter designing varios? Cheers Nigel RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2006 12:18 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] varios(was FLARM maths) At 06:46 PM 14/11/2006, David Griffiths wrote: I am impressed I did not even know that this type of gear was available. Is this all prototype stuff or is it in production? You might like to look at the B500 on our site at www.borgeltinstruments.com Australian designed and manufactured, sold worldwide. Before getting too excited about varios without visual indicators people might like to consider how they decide whether to turn in a particular thermal that is encountered. The vario pointer isn't the only thing but I bet it is an important part of your decision. Relative netto was designed to help with this - see our website for details if you don't know what relative netto does(it is in articles). Changing the audio at the MacCready setting as we do in the B500 and B50 lets you know to look at the vario but for reasons explained by John Cochrane in his paper and nearly 40 years ago by Anthony Edwards, you fly at Macready settings that are quite low compared to the actual rates of climb you get so you might not make the decision to turn just based on that audio change. Likewise when picking a best path through the air, particularly when streeting, including the vario pointer in your scan is important. To be really useful here the vario pointer should be high resolution too. We rejected LCDs on the grounds that the pointer resolution was too coarse. When working very weak lift the speed of response and resolution of the vario itself becomes important. When working 5 knots at altitude a poor vario will do. When at 600 feet over a paddock trying to avoid an outlanding by working +/-0.5 knots you need all the help you can get. With some vario technologies there are unavoidable speed of response/resolution tradeoffs. Lastly, Total energy is total energy whether it is done by a probe providing suction below static pressure or whether you measure pitot and static pressures and add them electronically to provide the same thing. They both suffer from horizontal gust effects (see article on website) to the same extent but the pitot/static scheme has some additional problems - the pitot and
[Aus-soaring] eply to Robert - flarm testing
Hi Robert and the forum, The Flarm Technology guys are working on a checking system for the flarms, details not known but they had discussed a ping system for interrogating the unit and getting replies. Again not sure on the details. One thing to remember with flarm and the technology. This is a full time business for these guys - not a back yard operation so the dedication to the product is 100 percent. We here in Oz benefit by this in the form of continued support and new ideas. Our Australian contribution has been the initial trials we held last year which identified bugs in the system and helped improve the overall reliability so a pat on the back for that. The last pilots meeting identified a few things they wanted changed and that has been done to the OzFlarm display (just need a few more tests to make sure its right) so this system is largely supported by the pilots, not just the developers and manufacturers. The same is happening with ADS-B / FLARM integration trials - a first worldwide and a totally Australian idea - again brought about by discussions - even views from this forum contribute to future planning, even the negative ones. I hope we can move on from this, the facts are that nearly all the competition aircraft, or those who attend comps are fitted with Flarm devices. This sort of leaves the rest of the fleet to make up their own mind on the merits of fitment - there is no mandate. One final bit on situation awareness that the tugs have benefited from fitment, our Cessna 150 at boonah has little or no visibility above right or left because of the high wing, if I am towing and the display indicates a glider in that area I usually veer the opposite direction. The same technique was used by others at our Easter comp and works well - remember this is veering away from gliders NOT visually identified which just reduces the risk of a possible incident. We are also starting to see quite a few enquires from G.A guys who frequent high density glider airfields ( Kingaroy, Boonah etc ) who want a Flarm fitted - again more work is progressing in this area both from Flarm in Switzerland and us here in Oz. Cheers - keep looking out! Nigel A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Hart Sent: Saturday, 11 November 2006 11:27 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please... Simon Hackett wrote: Honestly, that story isn't sad and lonely, its mildly frightening. In particular, it highlights that you can mandate at a comp that everyone has a FLARM unit, but you (obviously) can't mandate that they all work - i.e. we've all still got to remember these things (like ourselves) are fallible, and fly accordingly. Well - actually, it's relatively simple to work out that something's not working properly on the grid - if you are not getting any lights up telling you that there are other gliders there it is pretty obvious that something's wrong! I had this (a duff aerial). Nigel and I in the planning for the recent Nationals at Kingaroy actually discussed a small handheld (PDA with FLARM) that could be used to check all the FLARMs on a grid. Once the GFA mandates FLARM at all comps this may well be the way to go (we may actually do it here as FLARM is mandatory for Qld comps). -- Robert Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] +61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] GPS units -Flarm approvals
Hi All, Probably a good time to mention a few things. The FAI are looking at approving cots devices ( which includes flarm ) for badge flying, or at least have agreed to start looking at using them - Terry Cubley attended that meeting and the minutes are on the GFA site or links to FAI. Ozflarms were used extensively as back up loggers ( not it's primary design use ) for both the QLD State comps and the nationals - some including myself would have scored zero if we hadn't have had them. My trusty black box lost GPS lock on one day only - cause unknown but it has never happened to me in 11 years of using it! 200 ozflarms now in operation around Australia and the next 50 are pre sold when they are built - thanks largely to 2 Victorian clubs so the uptake in the Southern states has been good this year. As near as I can tell there are now 40 Non Ozflarm flarms ( i.e imports from overseas ) which could make the total real soon to nearly 300 Oz wide. Some of the G.A guys are trialing units who fly into gliding airfields so those results look promising and this Friday we will be trialing some external aerials for tugs ( on a tug ) to improve detection. Flarm Technology in Switzerland continue to improve the product mainly in the software ( Version 3.02 is the current version ) and there are now several OEM suppliers of flarm based product in Europe. As you know RF Developments uses the core technology so any improvements are passed on to our Australian customers and all units are 100% compatable. Cheers all. Nigel RF Developments Pty Ltd A Queensland Company devoted to Research and Development in aviation electronics Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of nandrews Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 3:24 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: E: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please... There are 17 in S.A , most of them at Gawler. Nigel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Lawley Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 2:32 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please... once you have 2 gliders with FLARM Agreed Scott, however here in SA there are very few FLARMS I know of (in fact none: Waikerie, AUGC and Balaklava do not have them, not sure about others) and WGC has not decided to buy any as yet. Not much point in being the only glider in the state to have one eh? Hence my statement! I guess it varies from state to state, so what applies here may not be the case elsewhere, something I should perhaps have mentioned. There may be a point that most gliders have them, they then will become very useful If FLARM were to have an IGC approved logger it would really make it very worthwhile to buy though-is this possible? To avoid any confusion I do think FLARM is a great idea, and would like to see all gliders have them, however until they do it will be the glider without one that will get you if you don't continue to keep a good lookout! Regards Dave L -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Penrose Sent: Wednesday, 8 November 2006 1:35 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] GPS units - opinions please... Some excellent advice here David, except: On 08/11/2006, at 13:11, David Lawley wrote: A flarm alone will blow your budget, without PDA etc, and is next to useless for collision avoidance unless ALL other gliders have one. They are easily fitted with Velcro to the top of instrument panels if a temporary setup in a club ship is required (Plenty of this happened at the Gawler Nats last year), needing only a 12 volt supply to function. Just statistically, once you have 2 gliders with FLARM, every extra one reduces collision risk. It is quite incorrect to say that all gliders need one to be useful. I flew this weekend in Raywood with 20 to 30 gliders. I have no idea how many had FLARM, I would guess less than 10 - and it was very successful at picking up and warning of gliders approaching that also had a FLARM - even in that very limited sense, with less than a 1/3 coverage I was getting
E: [Aus-soaring] Tocumwal auction _ Duo sale
Wow, the guy who got the Duo must have the sale of the century - what's a new one worth? 165k - 175k? (that's delivered here inc GST? ) Nimbus 3 Turbo 63K !! Nigel At 08:07 AM 30/10/2006, you wrote: Hi all, The Tocumwal auction produced some interesting sale prices, see below. Blanik's $3500, $5000 IS28 $12500 LS4's $43K, $28K, $40K LS6 $48K Duo Discus $99K Nimbus3 $51K Nimbus 3T $63K Junior $6500!! Loggers $770 PDA $550 Dave, Did the towplanes sell and how much? Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] elp with Trevor Mills contact details
Can anyone give me Trevors Mills contact details please, he tows at Kingaroy. Thanks Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] Just another day- 13,500ft at Warwick
Hi Rolf, We had one day at Warwick where Tony T , myself and Martin cook from N.Z were at 13,500ft having just worked 10 knots ( which was 13 knots for 2 minutes ) to this height and spent the next hour flying a height band of 10,000 to 13,000ft. The Warwick comps did have the better weather which was the luck of the draw. Glad to see you Pik drivers gave them a hurry up! Cheers Nigel **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of rolf a. buelter Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 7:40 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Just another day Well Bruce, the weather at Kingaroy wasn't bad but the highest I've seen there was 9,000 QNH. And I had to drive 3,600 km tofly 3,600over the comps, Tobi drove about a total of80 km to Bacchus and home again to fly 490 km. Seems a little more efficient to me. Regards - Rolf From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Just another day Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 20:14:36 +1000 Just goes to show how far ahead Qld is when it comes to good weather. For the last three weeks we have been burning around tasks like that at great speed and altitudes up to 13,000 feet from Warwick and Kingaroy. Sorry Tobi... I'm almost a Queenslander at heart! Cheers, B. - Original Message - From: Kevin McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:39 PM Subject: [Aus-soaring] Just another day Tobi Geiger of Geelong Gliding Club made a good start for this season yesterday (Sat 21) by flying Bacchus Marsh - Dunkeld - St Arnaud total of 490 Kms. Just another day at Bacchus. K. McG. _ See Jet live in LA. Download music for a chance to win! http://ninemsn.com.au/share/redir/adTrack.asp?mode=clickclientID=721referral=hotmailtaglineURL=""> ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] Re:JS1 progress
This site provides an excellent commentary on how to lay up wings etc - hope they succeed in making a good 18 metre glider as it looks as if this class is really taking off - over 8 new ones that I know off arriving to Oz in the next 2 years. So possibly 3 or 4 new companies , Jonkers - Lak , HPH and the makers of the antares? Cheers Nigel The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Tuesday, 24 October 2006 8:39 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: [Aus-soaring] Re:JS1 progress Take a look at progress on the JS1. Wings closed up. www.jonkersaiplanes.co.za Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 Int'l + 61 429 355784 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
[Aus-soaring] ld state comps photo's
For those who havn't logged on to the QLD state comps site at www.sdasc.org.au go and have a look at the photo's. Pretty much covers the event - what a comp, best day was cruising at 13,500ft and still not touching the clouds! Looks like the Nats might get the same weather. Cheers Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
E: [Aus-soaring] QLD comps - winners
Title: QLD comps Overall winners: Open class Lars / Griffo 18 metre Grae Harrison ( New Zealand ) 15 metre Graham Parker Standard Tom Claffey Club Class Allan Barnes 53 entries in the end, down from the initial 60 which was a bit disappointing when people dont turn up Fantastic closing dinner , lots of laughs and the highlight was Tracy Tabbart disposing of a brown snake that decided to claim the tea and biscuits area for itself the kiwis were delighted! 7 days of comp flying, last day was the worst day if you could call it that. Also we had 3 days practice leading up great weather. One day we flew between 10 and 13,500ft all day, incredible weather for this time of the year. Hope the nats get the same. Cheers Nigel Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web www.rf-developments.com Ph: (61) 7 54635670 Fax: (61) 7 54635695 **DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders Sent: Sunday, 8 October 2006 6:11 PM To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net Subject: [Aus-soaring] QLD comps Have we got the full results of the Warwick comps anywhere yet? Thanks ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
