Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Ian Mc Phee]

All varios have made huge improvements over the last 5 years or so. I can
say the Clear Nav Vario is excellent when going from cruise to climb and
especially on those broken chopped up thermal days and is much improved
over the earlier Cambridge 302 vario which is now outdated technology. I
also notice where as you would use either 1.7 sec audio to 2.3 sec needle
with the Cambridge 302 you can use faster speeds in Clear Nav Vario and
works well.

I can say I have used an earlier Tasman vario for past 10 years or so.

Ian McPhee

On 7 December 2014 at 16:58, dennis hipperson 
wrote:

>  The B40 has backup power supply on the instrument.
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> On 6/12/14 3:13 PM, Tim Shirley wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of
> interest to soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than most of the
> nonsense that passes for comment here.  Even if people are singing the
> praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information.
>
> I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet another
> magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It didn't work with
> the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me.  The instrument
> works fine.  I also have a Winter vario that performs well enough as a
> backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with
> only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have preferred a bit of
> audio and an averager.
>
> Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly it
> should not be expensive.  It just needs to have a backup power supply
> onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?
>
> Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a
> very reasonable price :)
>
>  Cheers
>
> *Tim Shirley*
>
> *tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare*
>  On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
>
> Imitation is the greatest compliment.
>
> Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.
>
> We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years ago
> and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average as well
> on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale version the B900.
>
> Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate exceeds
> running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline batteries for
> hours (power pack but no batteries included).
>
> These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed sensor,
> advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed to fly,
> glide/nav/wind  computer, GPS  and serial output of GPS, air data and
> settings to external PNA type glide computers.
>
> All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer of
> extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 degree pointer
> movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly expanded scales.
> Most manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays
>
> in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven pointers. We
> looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 knot resolution
> that was the best possible. You'd be really annoyed if say a Winter vario
> had a pointer that moved in half knot steps.
>
> All our instruments are available to properly fit 57mm or 80mm standard
> holes (adapter plates not required) and by putting the scales on the
> outside of the hole even the 57mm instruments have a larger, clearer
> display.
>
> The B600/B800  can also take our new Dynamis sensor for complete 3D real
> time airmass motion sensing and no horizontal gust sensitivity. Expensive
> (the sensor mainly), but unmatched capability. A recent customer who fitted
> a B800 to get an early Dynamis when
>
> available has found he likes the audio better than the one in the CAI302
> it replaced and better than the LX9000 audio.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> At 11:15 AM 6/12/2014, you wrote:
>
> Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10
> *Sprite*.  It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock,
> recorded alarms including under carriage warning but its best feature is
> the way it allows you to more daily centre thermals.  It also has up/down
> arrows showing whether the climb is improving or the need to recenter or
> leave the thermal. It also has tone selection, fast response and of course
> does not need a flask as per the previous Tasman model.
>
> I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development and
> it has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots.  Worth a look!
>
>
> Cheers
>
> David Cleland
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[dennis hipperson]

The B40 has backup power supply on the instrument.

Dennis


On 6/12/14 3:13 PM, Tim Shirley wrote:

Hi all,

Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of 
interest to soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than most of 
the nonsense that passes for comment here. Even if people are singing 
the praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information.


I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet 
another magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It 
didn't work with the first one either, though I am sure that is down 
to me.  The instrument works fine.  I also have a Winter vario that 
performs well enough as a backup but when I recently had a fuse blow 
in flight, I found myself with only the Winter for a couple of hours 
and I would have preferred a bit of audio and an averager.


Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and 
certainly it should not be expensive.  It just needs to have a backup 
power supply onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?


Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at 
a very reasonable price :)


Cheers

/Tim Shirley/

/tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/

On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:

Imitation is the greatest compliment.

Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.

We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years 
ago and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average 
as well on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale 
version the B900.


Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate 
exceeds running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline 
batteries for hours (power pack but no batteries included).


These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed 
sensor, advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed 
to fly, glide/nav/wind  computer, GPS  and serial output of GPS, air 
data and settings to external PNA type glide computers.


All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer 
of extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 
degree pointer movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly 
expanded scales.  Most manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays


in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven 
pointers. We looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 
knot resolution that was the best possible. You'd be really annoyed 
if say a Winter vario had a pointer that moved in half knot steps.


All our instruments are available to properly fit 57mm or 80mm 
standard holes (adapter plates not required) and by putting the 
scales on the outside of the hole even the 57mm instruments have a 
larger, clearer display.


The B600/B800  can also take our new Dynamis sensor for complete 3D 
real time airmass motion sensing and no horizontal gust sensitivity. 
Expensive (the sensor mainly), but unmatched capability. A recent 
customer who fitted a B800 to get an early Dynamis when


available has found he likes the audio better than the one in the 
CAI302 it replaced and better than the LX9000 audio.



Mike



At 11:15 AM 6/12/2014, you wrote:

Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10 
/Sprite/. It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock, 
recorded alarms including under carriage warning but its best 
feature is the way it allows you to more daily centre thermals.  It 
also has up/down arrows showing whether the climb is improving or 
the need to recenter or leave the thermal. It also has tone 
selection, fast response and of course does not need a flask as per 
the previous Tasman model.


I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development 
and it has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots.  Worth a look!



Cheers

David Cleland


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Mike Borgelt]

At 07:18 PM 6/12/2014, you wrote:

Mike.

Unsure how the mechanics of the colibri2 vario work. But it seems to 
do a pretty good job of compensating. It may be using the gps data 
to compensate for speed changes. My next glider won't have a mech 
vario as a backup. Between a good vario with backup power and the C2 
as a get me home style vario




Unfortunately that doesn't work if there is any wind.

The compensation signal is V  x dV/dt where V is TAS. dV/dt is rate 
of change of TAS.


If you are circling at 50 knots in a 20 knot wind the V bit will go 
from 30 knots to 70 knots if you use the GPS.


Sure once you get "the wind" (in a convective atmosphere this gets 
difficult to define in the shorter term)by doing a couple of circles 
you can refine this but the dV/dt bit is very sensitive to errors in 
the wind calculation. As with the horizontal gust sensitivity it is 
the dV/dt term that causes the problem in the first place.


Mike




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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[dennishipperson]

B40 with 9v battery is my backup. Or will be once I get a CofA.

Dennis


Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Dec 2014, at 8:18 pm, James Dutschke  wrote:
> 
> Mike. 
> 
> Unsure how the mechanics of the colibri2 vario work. But it seems to do a 
> pretty good job of compensating. It may be using the gps data to compensate 
> for speed changes. My next glider won't have a mech vario as a backup. 
> Between a good vario with backup power and the C2 as a get me home style 
> vario 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 6 Dec 2014, at 18:26, Mike Borgelt  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Colin,
>> 
>> A vario in stand alone logger won't have total energy.
>> 
>> While TE introduces problems it is essential in modern slippery gliders. In 
>> your Blanik , Grunau Baby etc not so much.
>> 
>> We did considerable flight data logging in developing Dynamis some of it in 
>> smooth air trying to fly accurately at constant airspeed. It is amazingly 
>> difficult and the magnitudes of the stick lift are quite large even down at 
>> 55 to 60 knots.
>> 
>> As a standby vario a non TE vario won't be that good. I think the Colibri 2 
>> was developed for the hang and paraglider market primarily where a non TE 
>> vario is OK.
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 03:25 PM 6/12/2014, you wrote:
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0022_01D01171.497C8BA0"
>>> Content-Language: en-au
>>> 
>>> G’day Tim and Others,
>>> 
>>> The Colibri II has the audio plus it navigates/records etc with a 6 hour 
>>> battery life of its own.
>>> 
>>> The audio can be turned off easily when it’s not required.
>>> 
>>> And if the agent reads this I’m prepared to accept a small [or even a large 
>>> ] commission! J
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Colin
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ 
>>> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley
>>> Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 3:14 PM
>>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
>>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of 
>>> interest to soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than most of the 
>>> nonsense that passes for comment here.  Even if people are singing the 
>>> praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information.
>>> 
>>> I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet another 
>>> magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It didn't work with 
>>> the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me.  The instrument 
>>> works fine.  I also have a Winter vario that performs well enough as a 
>>> backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with 
>>> only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have preferred a bit of 
>>> audio and an averager.
>>> 
>>> Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly it 
>>> should not be expensive.  It just needs to have a backup power supply 
>>> onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?
>>> 
>>> Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a 
>>> very reasonable price :)
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> 
>>> Tim Shirley
>>> 
>>> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare
>>> 
>>> On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
>>> 
>>> Imitation is the greatest compliment.
>>> 
>>> Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.
>>> 
>>> We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years ago 
>>> and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average as well 
>>> on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale version the B900.
>>> 
>>> Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate exceeds 
>>> running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline batteries for 
>>> hours (power pack but no batteries included).
>>> 
>>> These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed sensor, 
>>> advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed to fly, 
>>> glide

Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Colin Whisson]

'Stick lift' is very apparent on the Nano iii as a standalone vario. I've
found the same to be true with the Colibri ii. However I would certainly
use it if the TE vario failed.

On 06/12/2014 6:22 pm, "Peter Champness"  wrote:

> Interesting?
>
> I have chosen mechanical instruments as my main instruments but you are
> going all electronic.
>
> Probably OK given your backup.
>
> What about NO VARIO!
>
> It can be instructive to try to fly without one.
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM, James Dutschke  > wrote:
>
>> Mike.
>>
>> Unsure how the mechanics of the colibri2 vario work. But it seems to do a
>> pretty good job of compensating. It may be using the gps data to compensate
>> for speed changes. My next glider won't have a mech vario as a backup.
>> Between a good vario with backup power and the C2 as a get me home style
>> vario
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 6 Dec 2014, at 18:26, Mike Borgelt 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Colin,
>>
>> A vario in stand alone logger won't have total energy.
>>
>> While TE introduces problems it is essential in modern slippery gliders.
>> In your Blanik , Grunau Baby etc not so much.
>>
>> We did considerable flight data logging in developing Dynamis some of it
>> in smooth air trying to fly accurately at constant airspeed. It is
>> amazingly difficult and the magnitudes of the stick lift are quite large
>> even down at 55 to 60 knots.
>>
>> As a standby vario a non TE vario won't be that good. I think the Colibri
>> 2 was developed for the hang and paraglider market primarily where a non TE
>> vario is OK.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> At 03:25 PM 6/12/2014, you wrote:
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0022_01D01171.497C8BA0"
>> Content-Language: en-au
>>
>> G’day Tim and Others,
>>
>> The Colibri II has the audio plus it navigates/records etc with a 6 hour
>> battery life of its own.
>>
>> The audio can be turned off easily when it’s not required.
>>
>> And if the agent reads this I’m prepared to accept a small [or even a
>> large ] commission! J
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Colin
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
>> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Shirley
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 6 December 2014 3:14 PM
>> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
>> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of
>> interest to soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than most of the
>> nonsense that passes for comment here.  Even if people are singing the
>> praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information.
>>
>> I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet another
>> magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It didn't work with
>> the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me.  The instrument
>> works fine.  I also have a Winter vario that performs well enough as a
>> backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with
>> only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have preferred a bit of
>> audio and an averager.
>>
>> Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly
>> it should not be expensive.  It just needs to have a backup power supply
>> onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?
>>
>> Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a
>> very reasonable price :)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>
>> *Tim Shirley *
>>
>> *tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare *
>> On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
>>
>> Imitation is the greatest compliment.
>>
>> Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.
>>
>> We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years ago
>> and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average as well
>> on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale version the B900.
>>
>> Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate
>> exceeds running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline
>> batteries for hours (power pack but no batteries included).
>>
>> These are also on the B

Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Peter Champness]

Interesting?

I have chosen mechanical instruments as my main instruments but you are
going all electronic.

Probably OK given your backup.

What about NO VARIO!

It can be instructive to try to fly without one.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 8:18 PM, James Dutschke 
wrote:

> Mike.
>
> Unsure how the mechanics of the colibri2 vario work. But it seems to do a
> pretty good job of compensating. It may be using the gps data to compensate
> for speed changes. My next glider won't have a mech vario as a backup.
> Between a good vario with backup power and the C2 as a get me home style
> vario
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 6 Dec 2014, at 18:26, Mike Borgelt 
> wrote:
>
> Colin,
>
> A vario in stand alone logger won't have total energy.
>
> While TE introduces problems it is essential in modern slippery gliders.
> In your Blanik , Grunau Baby etc not so much.
>
> We did considerable flight data logging in developing Dynamis some of it
> in smooth air trying to fly accurately at constant airspeed. It is
> amazingly difficult and the magnitudes of the stick lift are quite large
> even down at 55 to 60 knots.
>
> As a standby vario a non TE vario won't be that good. I think the Colibri
> 2 was developed for the hang and paraglider market primarily where a non TE
> vario is OK.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> At 03:25 PM 6/12/2014, you wrote:
>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0022_01D01171.497C8BA0"
> Content-Language: en-au
>
> G’day Tim and Others,
>
> The Colibri II has the audio plus it navigates/records etc with a 6 hour
> battery life of its own.
>
> The audio can be turned off easily when it’s not required.
>
> And if the agent reads this I’m prepared to accept a small [or even a
> large ] commission! J
>
> Regards,
>
> Colin
>
>
>
> *From:* aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> ] *On Behalf Of *Tim Shirley
> *Sent:* Saturday, 6 December 2014 3:14 PM
> *To:* Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> *Subject:* Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of
> interest to soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than most of the
> nonsense that passes for comment here.  Even if people are singing the
> praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information.
>
> I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet another
> magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It didn't work with
> the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me.  The instrument
> works fine.  I also have a Winter vario that performs well enough as a
> backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with
> only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have preferred a bit of
> audio and an averager.
>
> Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly it
> should not be expensive.  It just needs to have a backup power supply
> onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?
>
> Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a
> very reasonable price :)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> *Tim Shirley *
>
> *tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare *
> On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
>
> Imitation is the greatest compliment.
>
> Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.
>
> We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years ago
> and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average as well
> on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale version the B900.
>
> Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate exceeds
> running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline batteries for
> hours (power pack but no batteries included).
>
> These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed sensor,
> advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed to fly,
> glide/nav/wind  computer, GPS  and serial output of GPS, air data and
> settings to external PNA type glide computers.
>
> All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer of
> extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 degree pointer
> movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly expanded scales.
> Most manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays
>
> in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven pointers. We
> looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 knot resolution
> that was the best possible. 

Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[James Dutschke]

Mike. 

Unsure how the mechanics of the colibri2 vario work. But it seems to do a 
pretty good job of compensating. It may be using the gps data to compensate for 
speed changes. My next glider won't have a mech vario as a backup. Between a 
good vario with backup power and the C2 as a get me home style vario 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Dec 2014, at 18:26, Mike Borgelt  wrote:
> 
> Colin,
> 
> A vario in stand alone logger won't have total energy.
> 
> While TE introduces problems it is essential in modern slippery gliders. In 
> your Blanik , Grunau Baby etc not so much.
> 
> We did considerable flight data logging in developing Dynamis some of it in 
> smooth air trying to fly accurately at constant airspeed. It is amazingly 
> difficult and the magnitudes of the stick lift are quite large even down at 
> 55 to 60 knots.
> 
> As a standby vario a non TE vario won't be that good. I think the Colibri 2 
> was developed for the hang and paraglider market primarily where a non TE 
> vario is OK.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> At 03:25 PM 6/12/2014, you wrote:
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0022_01D01171.497C8BA0"
>> Content-Language: en-au
>> 
>> G’day Tim and Others,
>> 
>> The Colibri II has the audio plus it navigates/records etc with a 6 hour 
>> battery life of its own.
>> 
>> The audio can be turned off easily when it’s not required.
>> 
>> And if the agent reads this I’m prepared to accept a small [or even a large 
>> ] commission! J
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Colin
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ 
>> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley
>> Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 3:14 PM
>> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
>> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of 
>> interest to soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than most of the 
>> nonsense that passes for comment here.  Even if people are singing the 
>> praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information.
>> 
>> I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet another 
>> magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It didn't work with 
>> the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me.  The instrument 
>> works fine.  I also have a Winter vario that performs well enough as a 
>> backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with 
>> only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have preferred a bit of 
>> audio and an averager.
>> 
>> Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly it 
>> should not be expensive.  It just needs to have a backup power supply 
>> onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?
>> 
>> Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a 
>> very reasonable price :)
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> Tim Shirley
>> 
>> tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare
>> 
>> On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:
>> 
>> Imitation is the greatest compliment.
>> 
>> Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.
>> 
>> We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years ago 
>> and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average as well on 
>> the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale version the B900.
>> 
>> Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate exceeds 
>> running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline batteries for 
>> hours (power pack but no batteries included).
>> 
>> These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed sensor, 
>> advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed to fly, 
>> glide/nav/wind  computer, GPS  and serial output of GPS, air data and 
>> settings to external PNA type glide computers.
>> 
>> All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer of 
>> extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 degree pointer 
>> movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly expanded scales.  Most 
>> manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays 
>> 
>> in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven pointers. We 
>> looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the

Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Mike Borgelt]

Colin,

A vario in stand alone logger won't have total energy.

While TE introduces problems it is essential in 
modern slippery gliders. In your Blanik , Grunau Baby etc not so much.


We did considerable flight data logging in 
developing Dynamis some of it in smooth air 
trying to fly accurately at constant airspeed. It 
is amazingly difficult and the magnitudes of the 
stick lift are quite large even down at 55 to 60 knots.


As a standby vario a non TE vario won't be that 
good. I think the Colibri 2 was developed for the 
hang and paraglider market primarily where a non TE vario is OK.


Mike




At 03:25 PM 6/12/2014, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0022_01D01171.497C8BA0"
Content-Language: en-au

G’day Tim and Others,

The Colibri II has the audio plus it 
navigates/records etc with a 6 hour battery life of its own.


The audio can be turned off easily when it’s not required.

And if the agent reads this I’m prepared to 
accept a small [or even a large ] commission! J


Regards,

Colin



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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley

Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario



Hi all,

Thanks heaps to people posting factual 
information about products of interest to 
soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than 
most of the nonsense that passes for comment 
here.  Even if people are singing the praises of 
their own products, I still welcome all such information.


I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in 
the market for yet another magic box that will 
transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It didn't 
work with the first one either, though I am sure 
that is down to me.  The instrument works 
fine.  I also have a Winter vario that performs 
well enough as a backup but when I recently had 
a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with only 
the Winter for a couple of hours and I would 
have preferred a bit of audio and an averager.


Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to 
be complex and certainly it should not be 
expensive.  It just needs to have a backup power 
supply onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?


Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very 
nice Discus for sale at a very reasonable price :)


Cheers

Tim Shirley

tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare

On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:

Imitation is the greatest compliment.

Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.

We've had the climb improving green light since 
the B400/B500 9 years ago and put in the 
comparator for the running average/thermal 
average as well on the B700 3 years ago and its 
more recent linear scale version the B900.


Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes 
slightly when climb rate exceeds running 
average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA 
alkaline batteries for hours (power pack but no batteries included).


These are also on the B600/B800 systems which 
have an airspeed sensor, advanced vario 
processing (optional netto or relative), speed 
to fly, glide/nav/wind  computer, GPS  and 
serial output of GPS, air data and settings to 
external PNA type glide computers.


All our varios also have a large clear stepper 
motor driven pointer of extremely high 
resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 
degree pointer movement (more can be confusing) 
giving significantly expanded scales.  Most 
manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays


in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper 
motor driven pointers. We looked at this around 
1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 knot 
resolution that was the best possible. You'd be 
really annoyed if say a Winter vario had a 
pointer that moved in half knot steps.


All our instruments are available to properly 
fit 57mm or 80mm standard holes (adapter plates 
not required) and by putting the scales on the 
outside of the hole even the 57mm instruments have a larger, clearer display.


The B600/B800  can also take our new Dynamis 
sensor for complete 3D real time airmass motion 
sensing and no horizontal gust sensitivity. 
Expensive (the sensor mainly), but unmatched 
capability. A recent customer who fitted a B800 to get an early Dynamis when


available has found he likes the audio better 
than the one in the CAI302 it replaced and better than the LX9000 audio.



Mike



At 11:15 AM 6/12/2014, you wrote:


Tasman Instruments have released a completely 
new model, the VRM 10 Sprite.  It has a lot of 
new features such as elapsed time clock, 
recorded alarms including under carriage warning 
but its best feature is the way it allows you to 
more daily centre thermals.  It also has up/down 
arrows showing whether the climb is improving or 
the need to recenter or leave the thermal. It 
also has tone selection, f

Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Colin Collum]

G’day Tim and Others,

The Colibri II has the audio plus it navigates/records etc with a 6 hour
battery life of its own.

The audio can be turned off easily when it’s not required.

And if the agent reads this I’m prepared to accept a small [or even a large
] commission! J

Regards,

Colin

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Tim Shirley
Sent: Saturday, 6 December 2014 3:14 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

 

Hi all,

Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of
interest to soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than most of the
nonsense that passes for comment here.  Even if people are singing the
praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information.

I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet another
magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It didn't work with
the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me.  The instrument
works fine.  I also have a Winter vario that performs well enough as a
backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I found myself with
only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have preferred a bit of
audio and an averager.

Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly it
should not be expensive.  It just needs to have a backup power supply
onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?

Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a
very reasonable price :)

Cheers

Tim Shirley

tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare

On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:

Imitation is the greatest compliment.

Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.

We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years ago
and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average as well on
the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale version the B900.

Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate exceeds
running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline batteries for
hours (power pack but no batteries included).

These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed sensor,
advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed to fly,
glide/nav/wind  computer, GPS  and serial output of GPS, air data and
settings to external PNA type glide computers.

All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer of
extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 degree pointer
movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly expanded scales.  Most
manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays 

in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven pointers. We
looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 knot resolution that
was the best possible. You'd be really annoyed if say a Winter vario had a
pointer that moved in half knot steps.

All our instruments are available to properly fit 57mm or 80mm standard
holes (adapter plates not required) and by putting the scales on the outside
of the hole even the 57mm instruments have a larger, clearer display.

The B600/B800  can also take our new Dynamis sensor for complete 3D real
time airmass motion sensing and no horizontal gust sensitivity. Expensive
(the sensor mainly), but unmatched capability. A recent customer who fitted
a B800 to get an early Dynamis when 

available has found he likes the audio better than the one in the CAI302 it
replaced and better than the LX9000 audio.


Mike



At 11:15 AM 6/12/2014, you wrote:




Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10 Sprite.
It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock, recorded alarms
including under carriage warning but its best feature is the way it allows
you to more daily centre thermals.  It also has up/down arrows showing
whether the climb is improving or the need to recenter or leave the thermal.
It also has tone selection, fast response and of course does not need a
flask as per the previous Tasman model. 

I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development and it
has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots.  Worth a look! 


Cheers

David Cleland


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Chris]

Yes David the Tasman looks like the ducks guts I have ordered one with the 
flight pack  for the twin 103 great value for money as well 

> On 6 Dec 2014, at 12:15 pm, David Cleland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10 Sprite.  
> It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock, recorded alarms 
> including under carriage warning but its best feature is the way it allows 
> you to more daily centre thermals.  It also has up/down arrows showing 
> whether the climb is improving or the need to recenter or leave the thermal. 
> It also has tone selection, fast response and of course does not need a flask 
> as per the previous Tasman model. 
> 
> I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development and it 
> has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots.  Worth a look! 
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> David Cleland
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Tim Shirley]

Hi all,

Thanks heaps to people posting factual information about products of 
interest to soaring pilots.  It is so much more useful than most of the 
nonsense that passes for comment here.  Even if people are singing the 
praises of their own products, I still welcome all such information.


I already have a high-end vario, so I'm not in the market for yet 
another magic box that will transform me into Sebastian Kawa.  It didn't 
work with the first one either, though I am sure that is down to me.  
The instrument works fine.  I also have a Winter vario that performs 
well enough as a backup but when I recently had a fuse blow in flight, I 
found myself with only the Winter for a couple of hours and I would have 
preferred a bit of audio and an averager.


Of course, such a backup vario doesn't need to be complex and certainly 
it should not be expensive.  It just needs to have a backup power supply 
onboard the instrument.  So what are the options?


Oh, and a reminder to all, I still have a very nice Discus for sale at a 
very reasonable price :)


Cheers

/Tim Shirley/

/tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/

On 6/12/2014 2:26 PM, Mike Borgelt wrote:

Imitation is the greatest compliment.

Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.

We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years 
ago and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average 
as well on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale 
version the B900.


Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate 
exceeds running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline 
batteries for hours (power pack but no batteries included).


These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed sensor, 
advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed to fly, 
glide/nav/wind  computer, GPS  and serial output of GPS, air data and 
settings to external PNA type glide computers.


All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer of 
extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 degree 
pointer movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly expanded 
scales.  Most manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays


in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven 
pointers. We looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 
knot resolution that was the best possible. You'd be really annoyed if 
say a Winter vario had a pointer that moved in half knot steps.


All our instruments are available to properly fit 57mm or 80mm 
standard holes (adapter plates not required) and by putting the scales 
on the outside of the hole even the 57mm instruments have a larger, 
clearer display.


The B600/B800  can also take our new Dynamis sensor for complete 3D 
real time airmass motion sensing and no horizontal gust sensitivity. 
Expensive (the sensor mainly), but unmatched capability. A recent 
customer who fitted a B800 to get an early Dynamis when


available has found he likes the audio better than the one in the 
CAI302 it replaced and better than the LX9000 audio.



Mike



At 11:15 AM 6/12/2014, you wrote:

Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10 
/Sprite/.  It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock, 
recorded alarms including under carriage warning but its best feature 
is the way it allows you to more daily centre thermals.  It also has 
up/down arrows showing whether the climb is improving or the need to 
recenter or leave the thermal. It also has tone selection, fast 
response and of course does not need a flask as per the previous 
Tasman model.


I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development 
and it has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots.  Worth a look!



Cheers

David Cleland


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[Mike Borgelt]

Imitation is the greatest compliment.

Sounds like they've copied most of the features from our B700/900.

We've had the climb improving green light since the B400/B500 9 years 
ago and put in the comparator for the running average/thermal average 
as well on the B700 3 years ago and its more recent linear scale 
version the B900.


Also the climb audio on/off ratio changes slightly when climb rate 
exceeds running average. B400/B700/B900 can run from 4 x AA alkaline 
batteries for hours (power pack but no batteries included).


These are also on the B600/B800 systems which have an airspeed 
sensor, advanced vario processing (optional netto or relative), speed 
to fly, glide/nav/wind  computer, GPS  and serial output of GPS, air 
data and settings to external PNA type glide computers.


All our varios also have a large clear stepper motor driven pointer 
of extremely high resolution. The stepper allows for nearly 360 
degree pointer movement (more can be confusing) giving significantly 
expanded scales.  Most manufacturers were offering LCD pointer displays


in the 1980s but nearly all have gone to stepper motor driven 
pointers. We looked at this around 1987 but didn't like the poor 0.4 
knot resolution that was the best possible. You'd be really annoyed 
if say a Winter vario had a pointer that moved in half knot steps.


All our instruments are available to properly fit 57mm or 80mm 
standard holes (adapter plates not required) and by putting the 
scales on the outside of the hole even the 57mm instruments have a 
larger, clearer display.


The B600/B800  can also take our new Dynamis sensor for complete 3D 
real time airmass motion sensing and no horizontal gust sensitivity. 
Expensive (the sensor mainly), but unmatched capability. A recent 
customer who fitted a B800 to get an early Dynamis when


available has found he likes the audio better than the one in the 
CAI302 it replaced and better than the LX9000 audio.



Mike



At 11:15 AM 6/12/2014, you wrote:

Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10 
Sprite.  It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock, 
recorded alarms including under carriage warning but its best 
feature is the way it allows you to more daily centre thermals.  It 
also has up/down arrows showing whether the climb is improving or 
the need to recenter or leave the thermal. It also has tone 
selection, fast response and of course does not need a flask as per 
the previous Tasman model.


I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development 
and it has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots.  Worth a look!



Cheers

David Cleland


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[Aus-soaring] Tasman New Vario

[David Cleland]

Tasman Instruments have released a completely new model, the VRM 10 Sprite.
It has a lot of new features such as elapsed time clock, recorded alarms
including under carriage warning but its best feature is the way it allows
you to more daily centre thermals.  It also has up/down arrows showing
whether the climb is improving or the need to recenter or leave the thermal.
It also has tone selection, fast response and of course does not need a
flask as per the previous Tasman model.

I was lucky to be able to have XON as a test bed for its development and it
has certainly impressed out syndicate pilots.  Worth a look!


Cheers

David Cleland




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