Re: [AusNOG] More legislative interventions

[Peter Fern]

On 9/4/19 2:22 pm, Paul Wilkins wrote:
2 - Ensure you have in place a mechanism to match electronic 
fingerprints of material similar to anything identified in a eSafety 
Commissioner's notice.


By the by, without a mechanism for the eSafety Commissioner to match 
content (a common mechanism for electronic fingerprinting material 
across hosting providers), the eSafety Commissioner will find 
themselves playing whack a mole chasing content specific to each 
hosting provider.


What do you think that looks like, exactly? You've brought up this 
magical fingerprint technology multiple times, and been rebuffed 
multiple times, with no response. I think it's irresponsible to suggest 
that this is an easy solve.

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Re: [AusNOG] More legislative interventions

[Paul Wilkins]

So best advice I could make specific to hosting providers (not social media
companies) would be, to comply with the legislation:

1 - Update EUAs with a clause that abhorrent violent content breaches the
service agreement.

2 - Ensure you have in place a mechanism to match electronic fingerprints
of material similar to anything identified in a eSafety Commissioner's
notice.

By the by, without a mechanism for the eSafety Commissioner to match
content (a common mechanism for electronic fingerprinting material across
hosting providers), the eSafety Commissioner will find themselves playing
whack a mole chasing content specific to each hosting provider. That's
their obligation, and I somehow think they'll be reluctant to go there.

I'm not a lawyer. This isn't expert opinion.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 14:02, Paul Wilkins  wrote:

> I'm not sure that the legislation creates a duty to proactively remove
> abhorrent violent content. It imposes a condition of "recklessness". Is it
> reckless to wait for the eSafety Commissioner to issue a written notice
> before addressing the issue?
>
> It's arguable that it's not. If the eSafety Commissioner hasn't provided
> the requisite notice, either they're reckless, or the material's not of
> sufficient gravity that it becomes reckless not to remove it. Or, if the
> eSafety Commissioner is indeed reckless through not issuing a written
> notice, is that justification for a content provider not to remove the
> content? In my non expert opinion, I see nothing in the Act that creates an
> obligation to proactively monitor and censor content. As Narelle says, you
> don't want to be  assessing this stuff. Hosting services provide an IT
> function. They're not, nor should they be required to be content or legal
> experts.
>
> I would say that it would clearly be reckless upon receiving written
> notice from the eSafety Commissioner to not take down the subject material,
> and anything of similar nature identified through an electronic fingerprint.
>
> Also there are no obligations to remove content whatsoever for the
> provision of carriage alone.
>
> I'm not a lawyer. This isn't expert opinion.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Paul Wilkins
>
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 09:50, Narelle Clark  wrote:
>
>>
>> There are good third party clearing houses for some of this stuff.
>> Whether it's cost effective or appropriate for the average Australian ISP
>> in this context. We'll find out I suppose.
>>
>> The Internet Watch Foundation is what we use for .org monitoring and
>> validation.
>>
>> You really don't want your own staff assessing this stuff.
>>
>>
>> Narelle
>>
>> On Tue, 9 Apr. 2019, 5:55 am Scott Weeks,  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> *474.32 Abhorrent violent conduct*
>>> (1) For the purposes of this Subdivision, a person
>>> engages in abhorrent violent conduct if the person:
>>> (a) engages in a terrorist act ; or
>>> (b) murders another person; or
>>> (c) attempts to murder another person; or
>>> (d) tortures another person; or
>>> (e) rapes another person ; or
>>> (f) kidnaps another person
>>> -
>>>
>>>
>>> You definitely like to lean towards a nanny state
>>> solution.  The obvious question is who gets to
>>> decide what is a terrorist act, or torture, or...
>>>
>>> scott
>>>
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Re: [AusNOG] More legislative interventions

[Paul Wilkins]

I'm not sure that the legislation creates a duty to proactively remove
abhorrent violent content. It imposes a condition of "recklessness". Is it
reckless to wait for the eSafety Commissioner to issue a written notice
before addressing the issue?

It's arguable that it's not. If the eSafety Commissioner hasn't provided
the requisite notice, either they're reckless, or the material's not of
sufficient gravity that it becomes reckless not to remove it. Or, if the
eSafety Commissioner is indeed reckless through not issuing a written
notice, is that justification for a content provider not to remove the
content? In my non expert opinion, I see nothing in the Act that creates an
obligation to proactively monitor and censor content. As Narelle says, you
don't want to be  assessing this stuff. Hosting services provide an IT
function. They're not, nor should they be required to be content or legal
experts.

I would say that it would clearly be reckless upon receiving written notice
from the eSafety Commissioner to not take down the subject material, and
anything of similar nature identified through an electronic fingerprint.

Also there are no obligations to remove content whatsoever for the
provision of carriage alone.

I'm not a lawyer. This isn't expert opinion.

Kind regards

Paul Wilkins


On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 09:50, Narelle Clark  wrote:

>
> There are good third party clearing houses for some of this stuff. Whether
> it's cost effective or appropriate for the average Australian ISP in this
> context. We'll find out I suppose.
>
> The Internet Watch Foundation is what we use for .org monitoring and
> validation.
>
> You really don't want your own staff assessing this stuff.
>
>
> Narelle
>
> On Tue, 9 Apr. 2019, 5:55 am Scott Weeks,  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 
>> *474.32 Abhorrent violent conduct*
>> (1) For the purposes of this Subdivision, a person
>> engages in abhorrent violent conduct if the person:
>> (a) engages in a terrorist act ; or
>> (b) murders another person; or
>> (c) attempts to murder another person; or
>> (d) tortures another person; or
>> (e) rapes another person ; or
>> (f) kidnaps another person
>> -
>>
>>
>> You definitely like to lean towards a nanny state
>> solution.  The obvious question is who gets to
>> decide what is a terrorist act, or torture, or...
>>
>> scott
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

[Jarryd Sullivan]

Hey Simon,

My apologies I should clarify. I am of the understanding that Cisco have two 
SKU’s for the 867 without wireless. There is the old Cisco 867VAE and the newer 
C867VAE. The latter might have this support, the original definitely doesn’t (I 
owned and used one at home) personally I remember testing 867’s with VDSL and 
threw them in the bin when we very quickly realised the sync issues.

Jarryd Sullivan

From: Simon Attwell  
Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2019 1:14 PM
To: Jarryd Sullivan 
Cc: dynamic.mine...@gmail.com; ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

Jarryd,

That seems to conflict with the information available from Cisco.
The 867VAE and the 867VAE-W both have VAE2_A_39t_B39d_24m.SSA.bin available as 
a firmware option for the onboard VDSL2 modem.

Personally I run the 887VA-W-A-K9 in most customer scenarios.

- Simon

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 13:42, Jarryd Sullivan 
 wrote:
Can confirm that the 867VAE-K9 in any form will not work, only the later 
wireless model that was released had the ability to have the VDSL controller 
firmware updated which supported vectoring. The non-wireless models are 
basically pointless now. We’ve moved to C887VA’s for all our small deployments 
where the 867 used to fit.

Jarryd Sullivan


From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Pouya Madani
Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2019 11:58 AM
To: mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

Hi,

Has anyone had any luck with configuring a Cisco 867VAE-K9 (not the 867VAE-W) 
on NBN NCAS? [VDSL handoff, and Vlan tag 100 on WAN (via AAPT)]

I have almost tried any recommendations on AusNog, Whirpool, Cisco and many 
other Communities with no luck. I understand 867VAE chipset is different to 
867VAE-W, and that 867VAE-W works just fine on NBN NCAS, but the 867VAE-K9 has 
not worked for me yet.

Has anyone got an 867VAE-K9 working on NCAS by any chance, and if so can I have 
a copy of the vdsl controller and ethernet0.100 config please?

Kind Regards,
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Re: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

[Simon Attwell]

Jarryd,

That seems to conflict with the information available from Cisco.
The 867VAE and the 867VAE-W both have VAE2_A_39t_B39d_24m.SSA.bin available
as a firmware option for the onboard VDSL2 modem.

Personally I run the 887VA-W-A-K9 in most customer scenarios.

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On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 13:42, Jarryd Sullivan 
wrote:

> Can confirm that the 867VAE-K9 in any form will not work, only the later
> wireless model that was released had the ability to have the VDSL
> controller firmware updated which supported vectoring. The non-wireless
> models are basically pointless now. We’ve moved to C887VA’s for all our
> small deployments where the 867 used to fit.
>
> Jarryd Sullivan
>
>
> From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Pouya Madani
> Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2019 11:58 AM
> To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
> Subject: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone had any luck with configuring a Cisco 867VAE-K9 (not the
> 867VAE-W) on NBN NCAS? [VDSL handoff, and Vlan tag 100 on WAN (via AAPT)]
>
> I have almost tried any recommendations on AusNog, Whirpool, Cisco and
> many other Communities with no luck. I understand 867VAE chipset is
> different to 867VAE-W, and that 867VAE-W works just fine on NBN NCAS, but
> the 867VAE-K9 has not worked for me yet.
>
> Has anyone got an 867VAE-K9 working on NCAS by any chance, and if so can I
> have a copy of the vdsl controller and ethernet0.100 config please?
>
> Kind Regards,
> Pedro Madani
>
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Re: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

[Jarryd Sullivan]

Can confirm that the 867VAE-K9 in any form will not work, only the later 
wireless model that was released had the ability to have the VDSL controller 
firmware updated which supported vectoring. The non-wireless models are 
basically pointless now. We’ve moved to C887VA’s for all our small deployments 
where the 867 used to fit.

Jarryd Sullivan


From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Pouya Madani
Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2019 11:58 AM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

Hi,

Has anyone had any luck with configuring a Cisco 867VAE-K9 (not the 867VAE-W) 
on NBN NCAS? [VDSL handoff, and Vlan tag 100 on WAN (via AAPT)]

I have almost tried any recommendations on AusNog, Whirpool, Cisco and many 
other Communities with no luck. I understand 867VAE chipset is different to 
867VAE-W, and that 867VAE-W works just fine on NBN NCAS, but the 867VAE-K9 has 
not worked for me yet.

Has anyone got an 867VAE-K9 working on NCAS by any chance, and if so can I have 
a copy of the vdsl controller and ethernet0.100 config please?

Kind Regards,
Pedro Madani



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Re: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

[John Edwards]

The 867VAE won't work
I am told that the 867VAE-K9 does work, but I am not sure we have run one
on NBN.
867VAE-W-A-K9 works on FTTN - if it has IOS version 15.4(3)M5 or newer, and
VDSL firmware VAEW_A_39t_B_39d_24m.SSA

John


On Tue, 9 Apr 2019 at 11:59, Pouya Madani  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Has anyone had any luck with configuring a Cisco 867VAE-K9 (not the
> 867VAE-W) on NBN NCAS? [VDSL handoff, and Vlan tag 100 on WAN (via AAPT)]
>
> I have almost tried any recommendations on AusNog, Whirpool, Cisco and
> many other Communities with no luck. I understand 867VAE chipset is
> different to 867VAE-W, and that 867VAE-W works just fine on NBN NCAS, but
> the 867VAE-K9 has not worked for me yet.
>
> Has anyone got an 867VAE-K9 working on NCAS by any chance, and if so can I
> have a copy of the vdsl controller and ethernet0.100 config please?
>
> Kind Regards,
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Re: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

[Brett Franklin]

Hi Pouya,

We had this working on Cisco 1941 and 887VA routers last year, but have not 
tested on the model you specified. It is possible that it simply isn’t 
supported.

Thanks
Brett

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Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:37:34 PM
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

Hi Pouya,

It is my understanding and belief that firmware that supports the vectoring 
required by NBN is not available for this device.  Happy to be corrected.

Kindest Regards,
Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)

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To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

Hi,

Has anyone had any luck with configuring a Cisco 867VAE-K9 (not the 867VAE-W) 
on NBN NCAS? [VDSL handoff, and Vlan tag 100 on WAN (via AAPT)]

I have almost tried any recommendations on AusNog, Whirpool, Cisco and many 
other Communities with no luck. I understand 867VAE chipset is different to 
867VAE-W, and that 867VAE-W works just fine on NBN NCAS, but the 867VAE-K9 has 
not worked for me yet.

Has anyone got an 867VAE-K9 working on NCAS by any chance, and if so can I have 
a copy of the vdsl controller and ethernet0.100 config please?

Kind Regards,
Pedro Madani
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Re: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

[Nathan Brookfield]

Hi Pouya,

It is my understanding and belief that firmware that supports the vectoring 
required by NBN is not available for this device.  Happy to be corrected.

Kindest Regards,
Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)

From: AusNOG  On Behalf Of Pouya Madani
Sent: Tuesday, April 9, 2019 12:28 PM
To: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net
Subject: [AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

Hi,

Has anyone had any luck with configuring a Cisco 867VAE-K9 (not the 867VAE-W) 
on NBN NCAS? [VDSL handoff, and Vlan tag 100 on WAN (via AAPT)]

I have almost tried any recommendations on AusNog, Whirpool, Cisco and many 
other Communities with no luck. I understand 867VAE chipset is different to 
867VAE-W, and that 867VAE-W works just fine on NBN NCAS, but the 867VAE-K9 has 
not worked for me yet.

Has anyone got an 867VAE-K9 working on NCAS by any chance, and if so can I have 
a copy of the vdsl controller and ethernet0.100 config please?

Kind Regards,
Pedro Madani
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[AusNOG] NBN NCAS on Cisco 867VAE-K9

[Pouya Madani]

Hi,

Has anyone had any luck with configuring a Cisco 867VAE-K9 (not the
867VAE-W) on NBN NCAS? [VDSL handoff, and Vlan tag 100 on WAN (via AAPT)]

I have almost tried any recommendations on AusNog, Whirpool, Cisco and many
other Communities with no luck. I understand 867VAE chipset is different to
867VAE-W, and that 867VAE-W works just fine on NBN NCAS, but the 867VAE-K9
has not worked for me yet.

Has anyone got an 867VAE-K9 working on NCAS by any chance, and if so can I
have a copy of the vdsl controller and ethernet0.100 config please?

Kind Regards,
Pedro Madani
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Re: [AusNOG] Optus Evolve DDOS Q

[Noel Butler]

On 08/04/2019 21:16, Dino Sosic wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> Does anyone know if the DDOS protection on Optus Evolve internet can be set 
> per prefix or per circuit? We have a few links scattered across the country, 
> all under one account. Multiple /24 prefixes and different ASNs on different 
> circuits. Even though these are 500-1000mbps links, the DDOS thresholds are 
> set to 10 mbps, which is causing legit traffic being dropped. (especially 
> UDP) 
> 
> I want to change this per link/circuit or at least per prefix/ASN. 
> 
> Anyone knows, or is around from Optus that knows?

I'd have thought your account manager would answer this for you

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Re: [AusNOG] More legislative interventions

[Narelle Clark]

There are good third party clearing houses for some of this stuff. Whether
it's cost effective or appropriate for the average Australian ISP in this
context. We'll find out I suppose.

The Internet Watch Foundation is what we use for .org monitoring and
validation.

You really don't want your own staff assessing this stuff.


Narelle

On Tue, 9 Apr. 2019, 5:55 am Scott Weeks,  wrote:

>
>
> 
> *474.32 Abhorrent violent conduct*
> (1) For the purposes of this Subdivision, a person
> engages in abhorrent violent conduct if the person:
> (a) engages in a terrorist act ; or
> (b) murders another person; or
> (c) attempts to murder another person; or
> (d) tortures another person; or
> (e) rapes another person ; or
> (f) kidnaps another person
> -
>
>
> You definitely like to lean towards a nanny state
> solution.  The obvious question is who gets to
> decide what is a terrorist act, or torture, or...
>
> scott
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Re: [AusNOG] More legislative interventions

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*474.32 Abhorrent violent conduct*
(1) For the purposes of this Subdivision, a person 
engages in abhorrent violent conduct if the person:
(a) engages in a terrorist act ; or
(b) murders another person; or
(c) attempts to murder another person; or
(d) tortures another person; or
(e) rapes another person ; or
(f) kidnaps another person
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[AusNOG] Spoofer Report for AusNOG for Mar 2019

[CAIDA Spoofer Project]

In response to feedback from operational security communities,
CAIDA's source address validation measurement project
(https://spoofer.caida.org) is automatically generating monthly
reports of ASes originating prefixes in BGP for systems from which
we received packets with a spoofed source address.
We are publishing these reports to network and security operations
lists in order to ensure this information reaches operational
contacts in these ASes.

This report summarises tests conducted within aus.

Inferred improvements during Mar 2019:
 none inferred

Source Address Validation issues inferred during Mar 2019:
   ASN Name   First-Spoofed Last-Spoofed
  7545 TPG-INTERNET-AP   2016-11-11   2019-03-29
137399   2018-09-20   2019-03-29

Further information for these tests where we received spoofed
packets is available at:
https://spoofer.caida.org/recent_tests.php?country_include=aus_block=1

Please send any feedback or suggestions to spoofer-i...@caida.org
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[AusNOG] Optus Evolve DDOS Q

[Dino Sosic]

Hi,

Does anyone know if the DDOS protection on Optus Evolve internet can be set per 
prefix or per circuit? We have a few links scattered across the country, all 
under one account. Multiple /24 prefixes and different ASNs on different 
circuits. Even though these are 500-1000mbps links, the DDOS thresholds are set 
to 10 mbps, which is causing legit traffic being dropped. (especially UDP)
I want to change this per link/circuit or at least per prefix/ASN.

Anyone knows, or is around from Optus that knows?

Cheers
Dino

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