Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this thread with a particular keen interest. Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender diversity’ was going to get pushed. Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’ If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all selected on their merits. Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely different can. Ie: is there someone of Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be racist? Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable. I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, percentages, inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get the recognition that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not simply to be the token male. We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof. I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.) aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only then actioned upon. Im sure I will cop back-lash on this, virtue signalling and all… James Troy Senior Systems Administration From: AusNOG On Behalf Of dusty Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 12:33 PM To: Matthew Young Cc: aus...@ausnog.net List Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry. On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 at 14:59, Matthew Young mailto:m...@mattyoung.net.au> > wrote: “While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the Ausnog board.” People should be appointed based on their merits, not based on their gender. Show me a man with a bias-free recruitment/selection process, and I’ll show you a deluded patriarchal fool. From: AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net <mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net> ] On Behalf Of Paul Wilkins Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2018 5:50 PM To: aus...@ausnog.net <mailto:aus...@ausnog.net> List mailto:aus...@ausnog.net> > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry. "Seems you've never been to a meeting." The verity of this statement cannot be overexaggerated. Kind regards <https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif> Paul Wilkins On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 17:42, Mark Smith mailto:markzzzsm...@gmail.com> > wrote: On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:50, Paul Wilkins mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > The need for a Code of Conduct has been raised and it's a good point. > > While we're at it though, there needs to be female representation on the > Ausnog board. I see where there's 5 directors been appointed, and they're all > men. I'm wondering who is doing the appointing. > Seems you've never been to a meeting. That's covered in the closing session. > That they couldn't find a woman up to the required standard gives rise to an > unfortunate impression of the board acting as a boy's club. > > Kind regards > > Paul Wilkins > > > On Tue, 2 Oct 2018 at 16:10, David Hughes <mailto:da...@hughes.com.au> > wrote: >> >> >> We thank Bevan for raising this important issue and bringing it to our >> attention. >> >> This is a complex situation and we take any allegation of this nature very >> seriously. We hope to discuss this further with those concerned in an >> attempt to establish specifics, while maintaining the confidentiality of all >> parties. If there
Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry.
Benno, As I mentioned on the backlash – here it is… You see my response as not very positive or helpful – I think that is quite sad really. “White dude” – well ½ of that is right… I am actually TSI. I would NEVER want to be selected/hired/elected based on this. To the point its why I never include it on any application forms, not because im ashamed of who am I, but because I want to be selected on merit… The difference between my post and Mark’s post was he was offering help to the victim, I am offering my thought/advice on a selection/election to a board. I can see how you got these confused. I really hope there is full representation on any board, job, industry, etc. I guess I wasn’t clear enough the first time – Do it on merit. If that means on my next job interview I get pipped at the post by a more qualified female/different ethnicity/religion person/pigeon then great. Its what I want. Equality – real equality; not the quota kind. James Troy Senior Systems Administration From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Benno Rice Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2018 1:21 PM To: aus...@ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Sexual harassment in our industry. So I, too, am a lurker on this list. Hell, I don’t even run any networks besides my home one, haven’t done for ages. That said I, too, have been watching this with interest and I’ve seen two responses, well one response, and one class of responses, that I find interesting. On the one hand, you’ve got stuff like James here. James is running the exact same set of arguments that you normally get from, generally, white dudes that feel threatened by any attempt to address the systemic problems we have in society in general and tech in particular. Yes, yes I know they don’t believe that those problems are there but, well, whatever. I saw similar from Noel Butler and from Matthew Young up-thread. All of these tend to come across as a knee-jerk reaction against the notion that we might actually do something. On the other hand we had Mark Newton’s “What I can do to help.” post. Instead of a knee-jerk reaction against doing something, he put forward a completely reasonable set of steps that he promised to do if someone were to come forward. Hell, his set of steps form a pretty good basis for the enforcement process of a Code of Conduct. One of these messages was positive and valuable. The others were very much not. Cheers, Benno. On 3 Oct 2018, at 12:57, James Troy mailto:james.t...@agilityapplications.com> > wrote: Ive long been a member of Ausnog mailing list, I find the information that is often posted here to be quite valuable; I have also been watching this thread with a particular keen interest. Particularly as I was waiting to see how long the #MeToo and ‘gender diversity’ was going to get pushed. Firstly let me say, any assault, sexual or otherwise is not acceptable. Yes IT as an industry is over-represented by males; however to second you start to include someone in something like a board selection based solely on their genitalia is the second you loose any credibility. I wholy subscribe to the idea of the ‘best person for the job’ If that means 25% of one gender and 75% of another then fine, they are all selected on their merits. Anything short of selection based on merits (ie: Gender) opens an entirely different can. Ie: is there someone of Asian/African/Australia/aboriginal/TSI background? No? wow wouldn’t that be racist? Suddenly people talk gender and its acceptable. I believe that IT, Along with many industries still has a long way to go to be fully inclusive of all participants, regardless of race/religion/gender/background – but selection based on gender, percentages, inclusion policies is _not_ the way to get the recognition that some hard-working people deserve. If I worked in a female dominated industry (teaching, midwifery, childcare, etc) I would want to be selected for something like this based on my work ethics, input, and recognition – not simply to be the token male. We as an industry – and as humans – should be there to support our colleagues when they get targeted and victimised, however I also agree that if an accusation is made, and reported to the ‘other company’ then it should also be accompanied with proof – too often we are seeing the #MeToo being used as a weapon to destroy people – predominately men – without a shread of proof. I do however agree that an ausnog post is not the correct forum for that proof and that is best handled between the direct parties – it was suggested at the CEO level – this protects the victim, the *Alleged* (I use this term deliberately as until it is proof we have due process – innocent until PROVEN guilty – same as the media reporting on items that are before the courts.) aggressor until a chain of evidence can be established and only then actioned upon. Im
Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNog] : Re Data Centre Fire Suppression Safety
I too can confirm this when a staff member ‘accidentally’ hit the gas release instead of the door release. We ended up having to replace 80% of our SAN’s disks due to both failure and predictive failure. >From what I can determine the gas nozzles is what dictates the noise variable >and the pressure has to be there to a) extinguish the fire and b) because the >contents are under pressure and is therefore unavoidable. A interesting side-effect that we noted was out Dell SAN’s had a safety cut-off that when they ‘detected’ the issue the stopped all the disks and we have zero failures in that kit. I was quite impressed by this. James Troy Senior Systems Administration 0412 449 074 james.t...@agilityapplications.com Level 11, 356 Collins St Melbourne VIC 3000 PO Box 2795 | New Farm QLD 4005 <http://agilityapplications.com/> agilityapplications.com From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Robert Hudson Sent: Friday, 14 December 2018 7:45 AM To: Bevan Slattery Cc: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] [AUSNog] : Re Data Centre Fire Suppression Safety I can confirm that the sound/pressure wave from a gas discharge can, does and absolutely did destroy a lot of spinning disks in some very expensive kit (big data and database appliances) when such a system was accidently deployed in a datacentre I am familiar with. On Fri, 14 Dec. 2018, 5:02 am Bevan Slattery mailto:be...@slattery.net.au> wrote: It’s pretty much all been said. Halon (long gone). Reaction sucks oxygen out of air. FM200 (safe but being phased out). Heard it can leave a residue despite the brochure saying not. Inergen more common (and others like it). Fundamentally mostly nitrogen that drops oxygen below 15% and drops temperature. These are two components of a fire (heat, fuel and oxygen). People can operate comfortably below 15% oxygen. In fact at 10% you can still function more than enough to pick up your gear and leave the room. I did quite a bit of research on reduced oxygen environments (hypoxic) which is used on (Firepass etc.) http://www.firepass.com/oxygen-reduction-fire Obviously dry pipe is used a lot. The issues with gas suppression today are more around noise (and vibration) and temp drop and they relate to spinning disks and circuit boards, more than people. The issues around dry pipe is, well when it goes off, it’s not very dry and water/equipment certainly doesn’t mix. Cheers B _ From: AusNOG mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net> > on behalf of Paul Wilkins mailto:paulwilkins...@gmail.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:53 pm To: AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net <mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net> Subject: [AusNOG] [AUSNog] : Re Data Centre Fire Suppression Safety Every data centre has a fire suppression system. We're not used to thinking of this as a hazardous environment, but consequent totwo techs being found dead working on a fire suppression system in Antarctica <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/12/antarctica-two-technicians-dead-mcmurdo-station-ross-island> , I find myself wondering yet again, why there aren't more stringent controls around the fire suppression systems in data centres: viz - when you enter a data centre, how confident can you be you're not going to be quietly asphyxiated? Kind regards Paul Wilkins ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net <mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
Re: [AusNOG] Windows machines patching over VPN
Second that, Use SCCM for approval and then have the end-points pull the actual updates from MS. Kind Regards, James Troy From: AusNOG On Behalf Of Bradley Amm Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 11:59 PM To: Brad Peczka ; Ryan Fielding ; Gr ccie Cc: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Windows machines patching over VPN Or Direct Access Another way is a Cloud Distribution Cloud and Gateway in SCCM From: AusNOG mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net>> on behalf of Brad Peczka mailto:b...@bradpeczka.com>> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 8:54 pm To: Ryan Fielding; Gr ccie Cc: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Windows machines patching over VPN This is the right approach. Leverage Intune for off-net management and control, or an always-on VPN if you prefer, and you're golden. From: AusNOG mailto:ausnog-boun...@lists.ausnog.net>> On Behalf Of Ryan Fielding Sent: Monday, 23 March 2020 8:35 PM To: Gr ccie mailto:grc...@gmail.com>> Cc: ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Windows machines patching over VPN Windows Update For Business - patching direct from MS over internet. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/waas-manage-updates-wufb<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fwindows%2Fdeployment%2Fupdate%2Fwaas-manage-updates-wufb&data=02%7C01%7Cjames.troy%40acu.edu.au%7C01d1d3ee10034c41376b08d7cf29f707%7C429af009f196448fae7958c212a0f2ce%7C0%7C0%7C637205651472267152&sdata=Avi1WkuWCqCLQGuw9aasbJFzQRBkkjg9ImoETC70rVk%3D&reserved=0> On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 1:15 PM Gr ccie mailto:grc...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi All, Now that we have most of people working remotely. Any patching the laptops has to be done over the VPNs. Apart from usual bottlenecks - internet, fw, vpn device - what approach should you take? Client based throttling appears quicker than implementing policies at network level? Anyone experience dealing with this willing to share the experience how they did it, throughputs, time taken, any gotchas? Thanks ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net<mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net> http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog<https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flists.ausnog.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fausnog&data=02%7C01%7Cjames.troy%40acu.edu.au%7C01d1d3ee10034c41376b08d7cf29f707%7C429af009f196448fae7958c212a0f2ce%7C0%7C0%7C637205651472277144&sdata=lStHFu9xlD0mn4mvzVY%2FOFodekr9aa4%2BUp5MCVvMOe4%3D&reserved=0> ___ AusNOG mailing list AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net http://lists.ausnog.net/mailman/listinfo/ausnog
