[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca and Ribeira Grande
Hi Elly , My phone number is 860 535 4599. Call me and we can get together. Henny - Original Message - From: ctsk...@aol.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:06 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca and Ribeira Grande Henny, thanks for your response. I have birth, death, and marriage dates for all of my father's siblings, (including two that died young)as well as for all their children. My grandfather always identified himself as Louis Pacheco Rose, (within the family) but in all the census listings, he was always know as Louis Rose. There is a Luiz Pacheco who came to the states in 1902, on the Dona Maria, and was going to his brother in Fall River. As the age and year of birth coincide with the information I have about my grandfather, and that his brother was Frank, I believe it is a record of his passage. He and my grandmother were married in NL on April 24,1905. My grandmother, on the other hand, is somewhat of a mystery. I cannot find her listed on any of the passenger manifests, and I have looked through many of them. I would be interested in any advice you might have as to other avenues to explore. I have been to the FHC in Groton and ordered one microfilm, trying to nail down Maria Victoria. I believe her sisters were Constance,Sophia, Evangeline and Diamata. I remember visiting them in E. Providence, but I was too young to remember their last names. Also, Manuel, Joseph and Antone Victoria were her brothers, Manuel (and Margaret) lived on Water Street, and Joseph on Elm St. Connie Pacheco from Summit St was somehow related, and the family story is that my grandmother came to the states to help with the "Pine" twins. Connie20is listed in the 1920 census under Manuel Rose. ( I believe her mother's name was Mary) I think her twin brother's name was Eugene and he went by the name Eugene Rose Pine. I live in Uncasville, just north of the USCGA, would love to meet up with you sometime and share info, and maybe you could help me with the finer points of translation! thanks, Elly -Original Message- From: henriettama...@sbcglobal.net To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 9:27 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca and Ribeira Grande Hi Ellie, When your grandfather died he was listed as Louis Pacheco Rose. He never was known as Pacheco in Stonington. My family and Dottie Pacheco were the only ones using Pacheco . Your grandfather died Nov. 26, 1946. Your uncle Antone was married Sept. 13, l941 and was born in New London and Frank was born in Groton Ct. they both were married in Stonington. Your grandmother Mary Victoriahad two or three sisters in Bristol and Providence R.I. I have printed a book on the marriages and deathsof the Portuguese people in Stonington. Where are you living now? The Morman Church in Groton has the films from Ribeira Grande and many others. Hope some of this helps Henny - Original Message - From: ctsk...@aol.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 4:41 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca and Ribeira Grande Thx Rick, as I am in NB quite often, I will check out the center in Dartmouth. E -Original Message- From: rpimen...@peoplepc.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 2:59 pm Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca and Ribeira Grande Hi Elly, FHC stands for Family History Center. They are run by the Latter Day Saints (Mormons). Their resources are open to all and are located in locations at their churches around the country. They have microfilmed records from many locations around the world including the Acores. For more information you can go to their website. http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/default.asp Films can be ordered and=2 0usually it takes 3-6 weeks for them to arrive Some FHC’s such as the one in Dartmouth, MA have all the films from the Acores at the FHC on a permenate basis for anyone to view. At the Center I go to in Exeter, < FONT face="Book Antiqua" color=blue>NH I have about 15 films on permenate loan mostly from Ribeira Grande, Ribeirinha, Achada Grande Bretanha and Ponta Delgada. Rick ; Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, New Hampshire, USA Researching Sao Miguel, Acores for, Pimentel (Costa), Carvalho, Teixeira, Rocha -Original Message- From: Azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of ctsk...@aol.com Sent: Sun day, February 22, 2009 9:46 AM To: Azores@googlegroups.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ribeira Seca and Ribeira Grande Rick, Thanks for the information. What does FHC stand for? thanks, Elly -Original Message- From: rpimen...@peoplepc.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, 21 Feb 2009 7:50 pm Subject
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Plymouth, MA Family
Hi Aztec, You've got names and places, but you'll need to provide some dates or ranges for others to help you. Yes, Frank is Francisco in Portuguese. Jesse is Jacinto or Jacintho many times. Francis would be Francisca. All common names. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, R. das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Plymouth, MA Family
I am new to this group so please be patient. I have been trying to research my Portuguese roots with little to no lucky. My Grandfather was a ship builder in Plymouth named Frank Jesse (Jacintho?). He married Francis Nunes de Silva. I have the Ellis island report of my Grandfather coming to the US (twice) but am having no luck with my Grandmother. My GGrandfather was also Frank (Francisco?) Jesse (Jacintho?). His wife was Jacintha Jacintho (maiden name same as married name). Both Franks came from San Miguel, and Francis came from Pico. My mother always said her mother had a sister in California. Can anyone help me with my research? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SATA questions
I want to thank everyone for their replies on my SATA questions. I, too, have heard it is less expensive to purchase tickets within the islands while you are there but I didn't want to take any chances of not getting a seat as my schedule is tight. Maybe I will be a little more carefree next time. When picking my seats from Lisbon to Ponta Delgada, the plane looked about 1/2 full. I am looking forward to the trip - to walk where my grandmother (whose baptism record still escapes me) walked, bless her soul, where our family circus performed, to go to the orphanage my g-aunt was in in sao miguel, eat some great food, and just have some great fun! Obrigada (starting to practice right now) "E" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SATA questions
My experience has been that there has been open seating on inter-island SATA flights. I don't recall ever having a reserved seat on these flights. John Vasconcelos On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 10:30 AM, E Sharp wrote: > > I made my SATA airline reservations online today (Dollar is a little > better against the Euro and I figured I had not wait much longer) and > while I was able to select my seats from Lisbon to Sao Miguel and > back, I was not able to select seats from Sao Miguel to Terceira and > back. It said something about not available at this time and they > would look at what my other seats choices were, etc. Anyone else run > into this. I hope I will be able to confirm my seats before I leave > the US? > > Also, has anyone run into having their flights changed? How often > does this happen? I ask this because I am coming on BA from London to > Lisbon, changing to SATA in Lisbon for Terceira via Sao Miguel. I > know they have a straight flight to Terceira but because of BA arrival > time, I had to take the later flight that goes through SM. > > Thanks. > "E" > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SATA questions
We were not able to make any seat reservations between islands. Sometimes they make it appear or sound like you may, but you can't (of course unless they change their guidelines). One little funny situation - we're at the Terceira airport getting ready to depart. We arrived early to get seat upgrades to first class (before the ticket counter even opened). They had only two first seats to upgrade and we were a party of five, so we didn't do it. Thanks GOODNESS we didn't since the cost was about $500 per person. We even asked for seat changes and were told there werent' any. We board the plane and it was basically EMPTY. Go figure! All the teenagers and early-twenty somthings who stayed out too late with friends during the San Joaninas celebration each had their own entire row to sleep on. I bet only a quarter of the plane was full returning home. They say this isn't normal as the season goes on, but we were the first flight from Oakland heading over, so I guess the first flight back and many people were staying longer than the two weeks we were there. Enjoy your trip! :) . Robin Borba Besotes . Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SATA questions
Hi "E", My parents and others are always told by travel agents here in Canada that they should just purchase their SATA inter-island tickets when they are actually in one of the islands. The only reason for this is just becasue their schedules change and also because the cost of the tickets are much cheaper when you buy them there (Azores). Maybe someone on this board who actually lives there (Azores) can give you better advice but this is what is done by my parents and others. Good luck! > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:30:29 -0800 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] SATA questions > From: bellema...@gmail.com > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > > > I made my SATA airline reservations online today (Dollar is a little > better against the Euro and I figured I had not wait much longer) and > while I was able to select my seats from Lisbon to Sao Miguel and > back, I was not able to select seats from Sao Miguel to Terceira and > back. It said something about not available at this time and they > would look at what my other seats choices were, etc. Anyone else run > into this. I hope I will be able to confirm my seats before I leave > the US? > > Also, has anyone run into having their flights changed? How often > does this happen? I ask this because I am coming on BA from London to > Lisbon, changing to SATA in Lisbon for Terceira via Sao Miguel. I > know they have a straight flight to Terceira but because of BA arrival > time, I had to take the later flight that goes through SM. > > Thanks. > "E" > > > _ Reunite with the people closest to you, chat face to face with Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650736 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SATA questions
I don't recall anything about my seats on SATA from Terceira to Sao Miguel. I've been to the Azores 4 times, only one time I had a message that my flight home was to leave later that originally planned. That would have been Azores Express between Ponta Delgada and Boston. Cheri --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello/Amaral
Oh, I forgot to say that in the marriage book it also listed the name of the parents for both the bride and groom. At least they did around the 1905 era. Cheri On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Elaine Sharp wrote: > Thanks, Cheri, for the additional information. The church will be the > No. 1 place I visit on my trip back East. I think I have some family > members who still belong to this church so I will lean on them, if I have > to. > > I need one or two other records from them, also. > > > > Elaine > > > > > > -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, R. das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Veterino? Bettencourt? Vieira? Oliveira?
Very true. I know of a Bettencourt family from Sao Jorge whose children used Bettencourt, Vargas, Sousa, amd Silva -- all siblings with different surnames. Lionel --- On Wed, 3/4/09, cakemom...@aol.com wrote: > From: cakemom...@aol.com > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Veterino? Bettencourt? Vieira? Oliveira? > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:47 AM > Nancy Jean, > I feel for you, but one thing that I have learned is that > our ancestors > changed names like we change underwear. Also, it is not > uncommon for children > from the same parents to go by different last names. My > grandfather went by > Mendes and his brother by Azevedo and they have the same > parents. Go figure. > My ggrandmother on my mother's side, gives different > combinations of names on > the baptismal records of some of her seven children so > does her husband. > The first names seem stable, it's the middle and last > names that change into > different combinations. Maybe they want to honor a > certain part of their > family on that particular day. Who knows. > > Mary Ann > > > In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:15:55 A.M. Pacific Standard > Time, > fishsongf...@hotmail.com writes: > > Greetings Group, > > I'm very confused.all these names! I sent to Saint > John the Baptist > Church in New Bedford for the marriage records of two sets > of my > GGrandparents..1888, AntonioTexiera Baptista (Sao > Jorge)and Maria Catherina Cabral (Santa > Maria).only surprise in those records were the > witnesses, apparently she > had a brother in this country so that is a good clue to > pursue. > > My problem is my GGrandfather, my Moms mothers father, > Joseph Veterino, > (b.1863 Sao Jorge), he always said that he was Joseph > Veterino Bettencourt, and > my Mom has old pictures of he and a brother who used the > last name > Bettencourt. He married Frances Rose Enos (b. 1868 or 69 > Sao Jorge)..who had a > brother, Frank Lemos, so I was able to find her in the > ships arriving and her real > name was Rosa Francisca Lemos. > > Next I found their civil marriage record in NEGHSJan > 7, 1893he's 29, > he gives his name as Jose Enos Victorino and his fathers > name as Thomazo de > Vieira and his mother is Anna Joaquinajust says from > Sao Jorge for both > he and Frances Rose.she gives her name as Francisca > Roza Lemosparents > Manuel Silveira Lemos and mother Anna Bernarda. > > So I asked St. Johns for the record of the marriage, I > mentioned that I > wanted to know parents names. They sent me the > "Certificate of Marriage" and a > letter with him listed as Jose Enos Victorino...Sao > Jorgeson of Thomas d' > Oliveira and Anna Joaquina. I have no idea now who he > really was! Her info > was the same as NEGHS had. > > I'm at a lossI have been looking at the Sao Jorge > baptisms in the CCA > site for 1863not quite finished.. > > Suggestions? > > I know that Frances Rose had a sister Anna Lemos who > married a man named > Frank Azevedo > > > Joseph Veterino and Frances Rose, they lived on Rockdale > Ave. in New Bedford > and had: > 8 children > > George Veterinodied unmarried > Clara .my Grandmothermarried Emanuel Joseph Perry > Frank who married..Clara Morris (Morais?) > John married Anna Fernandes > Joseph married Stella ? > Rose married Antone Gracia > Frances married Fred Salles > Anna married George Smith > > Can anyone connect with my mystery family? > > > Thank you, > Nancy Jean Baptiste > > > > Windows Live™: Life without walls. _Check it out._ > (http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009) > > > > > **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 > safest jobs in a > recession. > (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0002) > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Barcellos in Terceira
I am looking for: Manuel F. Barcellos Born: 25 Feb 1878, ___, Terceira, Azores Died: 5 Nov 1958, San Jose, Santa Clara, California PARENTS: Francisco Barcellos, Azores & Marie Fagunda, Azores All help will be appreciated. Thanks. Shirley --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SATA questions
Elaine, my experience with SATA interisland flights is that they do not have assigned seats. I believe that was the same with my Lisbon to Terceira flilghts. As for delays and cancellations, that can happen without notice if the weather is bad. I spent half a day in the airport in Terceira trying to get a flight to Faial. They just keep delaying the fllight, never cancelled it. I finally took the boat, that took 8 hrs. because the weather was bad. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 3/4/09, "E" Sharp wrote: From: "E" Sharp Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] SATA questions To: "azores" Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 10:30 AM I made my SATA airline reservations online today (Dollar is a little better against the Euro and I figured I had not wait much longer) and while I was able to select my seats from Lisbon to Sao Miguel and back, I was not able to select seats from Sao Miguel to Terceira and back. It said something about not available at this time and they would look at what my other seats choices were, etc. Anyone else run into this. I hope I will be able to confirm my seats before I leave the US? Also, has anyone run into having their flights changed? How often does this happen? I ask this because I am coming on BA from London to Lisbon, changing to SATA in Lisbon for Terceira via Sao Miguel. I know they have a straight flight to Terceira but because of BA arrival time, I had to take the later flight that goes through SM. Thanks. "E" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] obtaining information from USA church records
Elaine, I found that giving the priest a donation to have a mass said for the repose of the souls of the couple has helped me establish a "working" relationship with the priest. This does not work with other parish staff, just with priests. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Wed, 3/4/09, Elaine Sharp wrote: From: Elaine Sharp Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello/Amaral To: Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 9:59 AM Thanks, Cheri, for the additional information. The church will be the No. 1 place I visit on my trip back East. I think I have some family members who still belong to this church so I will lean on them, if I have to. I need one or two other records from them, also. Elaine --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: SATA questions
I recently made mine from Boston to Pico and was not able to chose any seats at all. I've never had my flights changed. Nancy > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:30:29 -0800 > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] SATA questions > From: bellema...@gmail.com > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > > > I made my SATA airline reservations online today (Dollar is a little > better against the Euro and I figured I had not wait much longer) and > while I was able to select my seats from Lisbon to Sao Miguel and > back, I was not able to select seats from Sao Miguel to Terceira and > back. It said something about not available at this time and they > would look at what my other seats choices were, etc. Anyone else run > into this. I hope I will be able to confirm my seats before I leave > the US? > > Also, has anyone run into having their flights changed? How often > does this happen? I ask this because I am coming on BA from London to > Lisbon, changing to SATA in Lisbon for Terceira via Sao Miguel. I > know they have a straight flight to Terceira but because of BA arrival > time, I had to take the later flight that goes through SM. > > Thanks. > "E" > > > _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Veterino? Bettencourt? Vieira? Oliveira?
Nancy Jean, I feel for you, but one thing that I have learned is that our ancestors changed names like we change underwear. Also, it is not uncommon for children from the same parents to go by different last names. My grandfather went by Mendes and his brother by Azevedo and they have the same parents. Go figure. My ggrandmother on my mother's side, gives different combinations of names on the baptismal records of some of her seven children so does her husband. The first names seem stable, it's the middle and last names that change into different combinations. Maybe they want to honor a certain part of their family on that particular day. Who knows. Mary Ann In a message dated 3/4/2009 9:15:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, fishsongf...@hotmail.com writes: Greetings Group, I'm very confused.all these names! I sent to Saint John the Baptist Church in New Bedford for the marriage records of two sets of my GGrandparents..1888, AntonioTexiera Baptista (Sao Jorge)and Maria Catherina Cabral (Santa Maria).only surprise in those records were the witnesses, apparently she had a brother in this country so that is a good clue to pursue. My problem is my GGrandfather, my Moms mothers father, Joseph Veterino, (b.1863 Sao Jorge), he always said that he was Joseph Veterino Bettencourt, and my Mom has old pictures of he and a brother who used the last name Bettencourt. He married Frances Rose Enos (b. 1868 or 69 Sao Jorge)..who had a brother, Frank Lemos, so I was able to find her in the ships arriving and her real name was Rosa Francisca Lemos. Next I found their civil marriage record in NEGHSJan 7, 1893he's 29, he gives his name as Jose Enos Victorino and his fathers name as Thomazo de Vieira and his mother is Anna Joaquinajust says from Sao Jorge for both he and Frances Rose.she gives her name as Francisca Roza Lemosparents Manuel Silveira Lemos and mother Anna Bernarda. So I asked St. Johns for the record of the marriage, I mentioned that I wanted to know parents names. They sent me the "Certificate of Marriage" and a letter with him listed as Jose Enos Victorino...Sao Jorgeson of Thomas d' Oliveira and Anna Joaquina. I have no idea now who he really was! Her info was the same as NEGHS had. I'm at a lossI have been looking at the Sao Jorge baptisms in the CCA site for 1863not quite finished.. Suggestions? I know that Frances Rose had a sister Anna Lemos who married a man named Frank Azevedo Joseph Veterino and Frances Rose, they lived on Rockdale Ave. in New Bedford and had: 8 children George Veterinodied unmarried Clara .my Grandmothermarried Emanuel Joseph Perry Frank who married..Clara Morris (Morais?) John married Anna Fernandes Joseph married Stella ? Rose married Antone Gracia Frances married Fred Salles Anna married George Smith Can anyone connect with my mystery family? Thank you, Nancy Jean Baptiste Windows Live™: Life without walls. _Check it out._ (http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009) **Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. (http://jobs.aol.com/gallery/growing-job-industries?ncid=emlcntuscare0002) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] SATA questions
I made my SATA airline reservations online today (Dollar is a little better against the Euro and I figured I had not wait much longer) and while I was able to select my seats from Lisbon to Sao Miguel and back, I was not able to select seats from Sao Miguel to Terceira and back. It said something about not available at this time and they would look at what my other seats choices were, etc. Anyone else run into this. I hope I will be able to confirm my seats before I leave the US? Also, has anyone run into having their flights changed? How often does this happen? I ask this because I am coming on BA from London to Lisbon, changing to SATA in Lisbon for Terceira via Sao Miguel. I know they have a straight flight to Terceira but because of BA arrival time, I had to take the later flight that goes through SM. Thanks. "E" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] PEREIRA, AZEVEDO, ENOS, SILVA, SAO JORGE
Searching for info on family of Jorge Pereira Azeved &, wife Marianna Joaquina Silveira from Sao Jorge. I think Jorge died in the islands. Marianna, born in 1810 came to California, Marin county, to live with her son Antone. Jorge and Marianna had sons Antone born in 1850, Joaquin, Jose born in 1833, Manuel and Francisco and a daughter Mary. There may have been one more son. Some California towns I've heard mentioned are Peteluma, Half Moon Bay, Sausalito. In the 1870 census, Marin county, there was a John Cabral age 18 living with Jose and his wife Maria and 6 month old son Antone. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Frances Azevedo Gardner ann_1...@hotmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello/Amaral
Thanks, Cheri, for the additional information. The church will be the No. 1 place I visit on my trip back East. I think I have some family members who still belong to this church so I will lean on them, if I have to. I need one or two other records from them, also. Elaine --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello/Amaral
P.S. Out of the 25 documents I collected on my immigrant ancestors, it was the actual marriage book itself that listed the freguesia. That was the only document. The other documents listed the island or the council, but I didn't know that (Vila Franca...the council or the city??) It took me 4 years to find the marriage too. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello/Amaral
Elaine, When I went there to see the book, the priest at the time would not let me actually read the book. He said it was private. However, the marriage I wanted was more than 95 years old, so I think MA law says it was in public domain, but I didn't push it. I just started to pester him with questions. Did the book list the bride's maiden name? (No, he just typed that on the certificate because I stated the name of the bride and groom). Does it list their ages? Does it list the relationship of the witnesses to the bride and groom? He had to keep looking at the book because I was asking questions. Then the phone rang. He answers the phone and I start to read the book, upside down. It was in Latin so I had to stare at it real hard. He sees me and closes the book. He hangs up the phone and I'm going to ask another question when he says he'll read it (as only his eyes can see it) but it's in Latin so he'll translate. Manuel de Mello, a native of Ribeira das TainhasI almost when through the roof. I pulled out my Guill book (that got his attention) to look at the map. Then I wrote everything he read to me on a piece of paper. Later, another priest was assigned there who told me that yes, there was a note about a dispensation in the margin. That priest said I could have looked at the book, it was just the previous priest's way not to allow anyone except Church officials to see it. Neither of those priests are there anymore. Hopefully, they will be more like the 2nd priest and you'll get the info you need. Cheri --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Veterino? Bettencourt? Vieira? Oliveira?
Greetings Group, I'm very confused.all these names! I sent to Saint John the Baptist Church in New Bedford for the marriage records of two sets of my GGrandparents.1888, AntonioTexiera Baptista (Sao Jorge)and Maria Catherina Cabral (Santa Maria).only surprise in those records were the witnesses, apparently she had a brother in this country so that is a good clue to pursue. My problem is my GGrandfather, my Moms mothers father, Joseph Veterino, (b.1863 Sao Jorge), he always said that he was Joseph Veterino Bettencourt, and my Mom has old pictures of he and a brother who used the last name Bettencourt. He married Frances Rose Enos (b. 1868 or 69 Sao Jorge).who had a brother, Frank Lemos, so I was able to find her in the ships arriving and her real name was Rosa Francisca Lemos. Next I found their civil marriage record in NEGHSJan 7, 1893he's 29, he gives his name as Jose Enos Victorino and his fathers name as Thomazo de Vieira and his mother is Anna Joaquinajust says from Sao Jorge for both he and Frances Rose.she gives her name as Francisca Roza Lemos...parents Manuel Silveira Lemos and mother Anna Bernarda. So I asked St. Johns for the record of the marriage, I mentioned that I wanted to know parents names. They sent me the "Certificate of Marriage" and a letter with him listed as Jose Enos Victorino...Sao Jorgeson of Thomas d' Oliveira and Anna Joaquina. I have no idea now who he really was! Her info was the same as NEGHS had. I'm at a lossI have been looking at the Sao Jorge baptisms in the CCA site for 1863not quite finished.. Suggestions? I know that Frances Rose had a sister Anna Lemos who married a man named Frank Azevedo Joseph Veterino and Frances Rose, they lived on Rockdale Ave. in New Bedford and had: 8 children George Veterinodied unmarried Clara .my Grandmothermarried Emanuel Joseph Perry Frank who married..Clara Morris (Morais?) John married Anna Fernandes Joseph married Stella ? Rose married Antone Gracia Frances married Fred Salles Anna married George Smith Can anyone connect with my mystery family? Thank you, Nancy Jean Baptiste _ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello/Amaral
Greetings, I just 2 days ago received the "Certificates of Marriage" from Saint Johns that I requested for the marriages of two sets of Ggrandparents, one in 1888 and one in 1893. I was not aware of "a book" to ask them to look in for the freguesia however I did tell them that I wanted to know the names of their parents. They also sent a letter with their names and their parents and island names but nothing else. Perhaps I should call back and ask if this info was all there was. I will make a new thread about how this information confused me further than I already was! Nancy Jean Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 21:58:19 -0800 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mello/Amaral From: gfsche...@gmail.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com "Ordering the record" will probably result in that half-size sheet of paper titled "Holy Matrimony" or "Certificate of Marriage." (or whatever it is called). It's a fill in the blank form that will say bride married groom on date by priest and witness were X & Y. Inside the marriage book at St. John the Baptist it will state the freguesia that the bride and groom are from and it will be noted in the margin if they needed a dispensation. It's written in Latin (in the book) but you can figure it out. Cheri _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
