[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Looking for connection in VFC
Thanks JR - I wonder if you can advise as to a rule of thumb in dating a marriage record. For example Jose married in 1857, in looking for his parent's marriage, what dates would you start with? I'm thinking that a start should be made around 1825 to 1835. Appreciate your thoughts about that. Also an interesting bit of information that we gleaned from a diary written by May Andre, daughter of Manuel and Gloria. In it she reports that several of her ancestors on both maternal and paternal sides had blue or green eyes, and one was reported to have red hair. Do you think that this information could have any research implications? Or perhaps indicated northern or central European roots? The Andre name continues to be a puzzle. Two records that we found in the Azores called Manuel's grandfather Jose Jacintho Andre, and those were two of Manuel and Gloria's children in reference to their paternal ggf. All the other kids baptismals just call him Jose Jacintho, as does the marriage record you translated some time back for us. Still, we were pleased to find some reference which told us that it was not just something they adopted upon arrival in the US. Regards, Marcia On Nov 18, 12:59 pm, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote: These are common but interesting names. I am pretty sure you will connect with somebody on this list sooner or later. Barbosa, in particular, can be traced to one or two families in the area of Vila Franca. I have been following your postings, and I am still hopeful that you may have a connection to my Andre Pacheco, or Andre Rodrigues line of Lomba da Maia. One sibling disappeared off the radar, but I believe he married in Agua de Pau, had some children in Ponta Garca and then probably emigrated. Just a hunch, mind you. You never know what names Azoreans will adopt. If were you I would go after the marriages first. That way you will know when to search for baptisms and there will be greater likelihood you will connect sooner to someone. JR -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mattos
Thanks everyone. On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:29 AM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Dan, I've seen quite a few Matos/Mattos families while searching the Sao Jorge records. Nancy Jean Baptista Researching: Sao Jorge..da Silveira, Teixeira, Baptista, de Lemos,Viera,Oliveira, de Sousa Peireira Pico: da Castro, Cardosa, Peixoto, Silva, Furtado, Rodrigues, Moniz,Serpa,Melo,Neves,Sousa,Faria,Ferreira,Costa, Goncalves,Luis,Goulart,Machado,Macedo Santa Maria: Cabral Terceira: Coelho -- From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:31:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mattos To: azores@googlegroups.com Dan, Probably a lot of Mattos families would be my guess. I would say that Mateus is closer to your Mutuse. I think Mattos is more like MAH-tosh. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star.http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mattos
Hi Antonio, I've seen the name Terra for sure but I don't remember if it was with da Silveira...however, I'm looking in the records again today and will look in Norte Grande and keep my eyes open for Terra da Silveira..I'll let you know if I see any! Nancy Jean Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:08:22 -0800 From: gramonthem...@pacbell.net Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mattos To: azores@googlegroups.com Nancy Jean Baptista; I'm a newbe, but I see you are researching Sao Jorge name of da Silveira. Have you run across the last name of Terra da Silveira? probable in the Norte Grande area. Antonio Rodrigues --- On Wed, 11/18/09, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mattos To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, November 18, 2009, 8:29 AM Dan, I've seen quite a few Matos/Mattos families while searching the Sao Jorge records. Nancy Jean Baptista Researching: Sao Jorge..da Silveira, Teixeira, Baptista, de Lemos,Viera,Oliveira, de Sousa Peireira Pico: da Castro, Cardosa, Peixoto, Silva, Furtado, Rodrigues, Moniz,Serpa,Melo,Neves,Sousa,Faria,Ferreira,Costa, Goncalves,Luis,Goulart,Machado,Macedo Santa Maria: Cabral Terceira: Coelho From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 20:31:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mattos To: azores@googlegroups.com Dan, Probably a lot of Mattos families would be my guess. I would say that Mateus is closer to your Mutuse. I think Mattos is more like MAH-tosh. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- Edit my membership. Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900
Anyone have any idea of what a French man would be doing in the Azores ca 1900? Were there many French people living in the Azores then and, if so, why would that be? Thank you. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] The island of São Jorge.News
Hello Group Olá! The island de São Jorge is just starting a project of Genealogy research by Misericórdia de Velas. Also the Municipal Archive of Velas has been digitalized and can be found at http://www.inforgeide.pt/cmvelas/ Remember it´s the records of the City Hall Of Velas. But we can find a lot of interesting facts and and lots of lists with names. If help is needed for tranlation, i am able to help. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900
Dear Sir, Do mean all trough out the 1900? or same part of Including the 1960? 2009/11/19 E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com Anyone have any idea of what a French man would be doing in the Azores ca 1900? Were there many French people living in the Azores then and, if so, why would that be? Thank you. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900
Visiting relatives ? Many of the original 15th century settlers of the Azores came from the Flanders region, a byproduct of the Hundred Years' Anglo-French war and the English Treaty of Windsor signed with Portugal in the late 14th century. _ From: E Sharp [mailto:bellema...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 1:41 PM To: azores Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900 Anyone have any idea of what a French man would be doing in the Azores ca 1900? Were there many French people living in the Azores then and, if so, why would that be? Thank you. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900
Yolanda and all, Were there any French men and why would they be in the Azores about 1895-1905? E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The island of São Jorge.News
Yolanda, Thank you very much. I will visit the website you suggested as I have both Paternal and Maternal ancestors from Sao Jorge. Ginger On Nov 19, 1:53 pm, yolanda yolandabettenco...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Group Olá! The island de São Jorge is just starting a project of Genealogy research by Misericórdia de Velas. Also the Municipal Archive of Velas has been digitalized and can be found at http://www.inforgeide.pt/cmvelas/ Remember it´s the records of the City Hall Of Velas. But we can find a lot of interesting facts and and lots of lists with names. If help is needed for tranlation, i am able to help. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900
Well, I don't Know if you can read Portuguese, but i am sending you the 1900 Census made in Portugal. ( its too heavy to send to google groups) There you can see that there were all the foreigners that existed in each island of Açores. Or you can download it for yourself. There you can see even how many french reside on each island. Yes. They existed, and lived on Azores. And there where usually a lot of english and french on the islands The reasons why are as usual as the present days. Businesse affairs, trading, commerce, conection by marriage. But that replay would need a very long and serious research involving a lot of records search. De nada. http://censos.ine.pt/xportal/xmain?xpid=INExpgid=censos_historia_pt_1900 2009/11/19 bellema...@gmail.com Yolanda and all, Were there any French men and why would they be in the Azores about 1895-1905? E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The_island_of_São_Jorge.News
One of the lots stuff... the site does not permit me to send these links..it just lets me do the download or consult on line. I just send an copy of one Will Book records, but can not send to azores google groups, because its too heavy. In the last camp of research if you put the word Testamentos You will be given a list of all the books from the Municipal records you can research. Wills are just a part. If you have any doubts just write me. My best 2009/11/19 p...@dholmes.com Ola Yolanda, The link you gave has no actual links to the project. Do you have a link to a particular example of what we can find there related to genealogy? Obrigado, Doug da Rocha Holmes Buckeye, Arizona Pico Genealogist 623-398-0452 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy]_The_island_of_São_Jorge.News From: yolanda yolandabettenco...@gmail.com Date: Thu, November 19, 2009 11:53 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello Group Olá! The island de São Jorge is just starting a project of Genealogy research by Misericórdia de Velas. Also the Municipal Archive of Velas has been digitalized and can be found at http://www.inforgeide.pt/cmvelas/ Remember it´s the records of the City Hall Of Velas. But we can find a lot of interesting facts and and lots of lists with names. If help is needed for tranlation, i am able to help. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Posting your vacation and holiday photos
Dear Mary Ann Santos Tank you for the suggestion. On 6 out, 18:04, mary ann santos m...@nyu.edu wrote: you can also join the Azores FaceBook group and post them there. On Oct 6, 2009, at 6:54 AM, Cheri Mello wrote: HI Yolanda (and others that are curious), If you want to post pictures of vacations and holidays, you can do so to your own personal Web site, then post the URL. If you don't have a Web site, you can post them on Flickr (http:// www.flickr.com/) and post the URL. You need a Yahoo account (free) to use Flickr. There may be other photo sharing Web sites too. -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The_island_of_São_Jorge. News
Hi Yolanda, Thank you for sending that link...I looked through a few of the early records for 1558the writing was so different from the other Sao Jorge records I've been researchingregardless, this will be a treasure trove of information to peruse in quiet moments Do you know if this is being put on line for Topo? Thanks again, Nancy Jean Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:04:55 + Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: The_island_of_São_Jorge.News From: yolandabettenco...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com One of the lots stuff...the site does not permit me to send these links..it just lets me do the download or consult on line. I just send an copy of one Will Book records, but can not send to azores google groups, because its too heavy. In the last camp of research if you put the wordTestamentosYou will be given a list of all the books from the Municipal records you can research.Wills are just a part.If you have any doubts just write me.My best 2009/11/19 p...@dholmes.com Ola Yolanda, The link you gave has no actual links to the project. Do you have a link to a particular example of what we can find there related to genealogy? Obrigado, Doug da Rocha Holmes Buckeye, Arizona Pico Genealogist 623-398-0452 Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy]_The_island_of_São_Jorge.News From: yolanda yolandabettenco...@gmail.com Date: Thu, November 19, 2009 11:53 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello GroupOlá! The island de São Jorge is just starting a project of Genealogy research by Misericórdia de Velas. Also the Municipal Archive of Velas has been digitalized and can be found at http://www.inforgeide.pt/cmvelas/ Remember it´s the records of the City Hall Of Velas. But we can find a lot of interesting facts and and lots of lists with names.If help is needed for tranlation, i am able to help. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900
E. When we visited Flores in 2000 we stayed in a hotel that we were told had once been part of a French garrison. Don't know the time period. Helen -Original Message- From: bellema...@gmail.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com; yolanda yolandabettenco...@gmail.com Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 11:06 am Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900 Yolanda and all, Were there any French men and why would they be in the Azores about 1895-1905? E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] French in Azores ca 1900
I wasn't aware there were census records available. Could you please give more information about this Portuguese census? yolanda wrote: Well, I don't Know if you can read Portuguese, but i am sending you the 1900 Census made in Portugal. ( its too heavy to send to google groups) There you can see that there were all the foreigners that existed in each island of Açores. Or you can download it for yourself. There you can see even how many french reside on each island. Yes. They existed, and lived on Azores. And there where usually a lot of english and french on the islands The reasons why are as usual as the present days. Businesse affairs, trading, commerce, conection by marriage. But that replay would need a very long and serious research involving a lot of records search. De nada. http://censos.ine.pt/xportal/xmain?xpid=INExpgid=censos_historia_pt_1900 http://censos.ine.pt/xportal/xmain?xpid=INExpgid=censos_historia_pt_1900 2009/11/19 bellema...@gmail.com mailto:bellema...@gmail.com Yolanda and all, Were there any French men and why would they be in the Azores about 1895-1905? E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Significance of the surname Jacob in either Corvo or Flores?
Jason, I would be willing to bet that if you could trace your Fraga line back far enough, you would eventually come to a Jacob de Fraga. On Flores (and by extention on Corvo since there is a lot of intermarriage between the two islands) there have been several instances of using what is normally a first name as a surname. I can cite a specific example from the book Familias ds Ihla das Flores by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes. In one family he traces, a Nicolau de Fraga married to Maria Furtada has a son Manuel Francisco Nicolau, who in turn has a son Francisco Antonio de Fraga, who in turn has a son Manuel Francisco Nicolau. I could cite several other examples. In some cases the new surname sticks. In other cases it alternates by generation or unpredictably. In my own family tree, I *have a* 3GGFAntonio de Freitas Eduardo (m 1782) from Fajazinha Flores whose father was Eduardo de Freitas. In present day Fajazinha there is an Eduardo family who I'm sure I'm related to. In that case, the Eduardo name stuck. As to why? In the case of my Freitas Eduardos, Freitas is a very common Portuguese surname. I would bet that my ancestor wasn't the only Antonio Freitas living in Fajazinha at the time. So my theory is that when there were several people with the same name, the custom developed to distinguish between them by their father's first name. Just my theory. By the way, there area a lot of Fraga families on Corvo so my theory would seem to fit there. John Vasconcelos On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Jason Fraga jay_fr...@applimetrix.comwrote: Does anyone know anything about this surname? In my line, it first shows up in 1767 with the Corvo birth of my 4XG Grandfather, Jose de Fraga Jacob. It does not show up in any of the three generations before him that we know of, although Fraga certainly does. He passes it on to his son (my 3XG Grandfather) Antonio Jose de Fraga Jacob, who is born on Corvo in 1807. From there, it seems like a coin flip- some of Antonio Jose's kids get the de Fraga Jacob name, and some just get the straight de Fraga name. My 2XG Grandfather Braz Jacinto de Fraga did not get it. I'm interested in Jacob for two reasons: as always, I'd love to determine if living relatives are out there, and I'd also like to know where it comes from and why. Useless info: my Great Grandfather got Jacob for a middle name, and nobody in my family understood the significance of the name until I started doing family research 3 years ago, as we didn't know any of these guys ever existed. Our knowledge stopped at my Great Grandfather, and we never even knew which island he was from. My nephew who was born 10 years ago also got Jacob for a middle name in a nod to my Great Grandfather. I think it's neat that the name carried on into the modern day even if we had no idea that it really had some family significance way back. Thanks in advance, Jay Fraga Massachusetts -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Significance of the surname Jacob in either Corvo or Flores?
That certainly would make a heck of a lot of sense. I'll have to see if I can push my line past the early 1600's to see if it pans out. Thank you for the detailed explanation and the examples! Jay Fraga _ From: John Vasconcelos [mailto:gfsjo...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 8:30 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Significance of the surname Jacob in either Corvo or Flores? Jason, I would be willing to bet that if you could trace your Fraga line back far enough, you would eventually come to a Jacob de Fraga. On Flores (and by extention on Corvo since there is a lot of intermarriage between the two islands) there have been several instances of using what is normally a first name as a surname. I can cite a specific example from the book Familias ds Ihla das Flores by Francisco Antonio Nunes Pimentel Gomes. In one family he traces, a Nicolau de Fraga married to Maria Furtada has a son Manuel Francisco Nicolau, who in turn has a son Francisco Antonio de Fraga, who in turn has a son Manuel Francisco Nicolau. I could cite several other examples. In some cases the new surname sticks. In other cases it alternates by generation or unpredictably. In my own family tree, I have a 3GGFAntonio de Freitas Eduardo (m 1782) from Fajazinha Flores whose father was Eduardo de Freitas. In present day Fajazinha there is an Eduardo family who I'm sure I'm related to. In that case, the Eduardo name stuck. As to why? In the case of my Freitas Eduardos, Freitas is a very common Portuguese surname. I would bet that my ancestor wasn't the only Antonio Freitas living in Fajazinha at the time. So my theory is that when there were several people with the same name, the custom developed to distinguish between them by their father's first name. Just my theory. By the way, there area a lot of Fraga families on Corvo so my theory would seem to fit there. John Vasconcelos On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Jason Fraga jay_fr...@applimetrix.com wrote: Does anyone know anything about this surname? In my line, it first shows up in 1767 with the Corvo birth of my 4XG Grandfather, Jose de Fraga Jacob. It does not show up in any of the three generations before him that we know of, although Fraga certainly does. He passes it on to his son (my 3XG Grandfather) Antonio Jose de Fraga Jacob, who is born on Corvo in 1807. From there, it seems like a coin flip- some of Antonio Jose's kids get the de Fraga Jacob name, and some just get the straight de Fraga name. My 2XG Grandfather Braz Jacinto de Fraga did not get it. I'm interested in Jacob for two reasons: as always, I'd love to determine if living relatives are out there, and I'd also like to know where it comes from and why. Useless info: my Great Grandfather got Jacob for a middle name, and nobody in my family understood the significance of the name until I started doing family research 3 years ago, as we didn't know any of these guys ever existed. Our knowledge stopped at my Great Grandfather, and we never even knew which island he was from. My nephew who was born 10 years ago also got Jacob for a middle name in a nod to my Great Grandfather. I think it's neat that the name carried on into the modern day even if we had no idea that it really had some family significance way back. Thanks in advance, Jay Fraga Massachusetts -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
