Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Where would someone from Velas apply for a passport applications in the late 1840's?
Suzanne D, No, the only ones online are the ones you see for Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel island. It is the intent of the CCA to put the other 2 ports online eventually. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese 'JOE early pioneer
Re Portuguese Joe (of Vancouver, British Columbia) Hi Lionel, wonderful to see your message. i never did thank you for introducing me to your son Doug. when i moved to vancouver canada in 1990 i decided to conduct some historical walking tours. while in the archives i kept running into references to a portuguese joe. (there were others too). eventually i hired doug and with some flimsy information he was able to ferret out what i believe is pj's birth certificate which i am enclosing below. i am not sure professor jean barman, the author of the best selling book about pj, agrees with me as there are descrepancies in dates (arent there always, especially for second marriages certificates! i believe joe recorded his age as 37 when he married his second aboriginal wife, she was 14. i believe pj was actually in his early 40s1!). to make a long story short, i wrote several stories about portuguese pioneers on canada's west coast (the focus is on the east coast) in Lusitania.ca; a bilingual zine we started up about 7 or 8 years ago and the story came to the attention of Bill Moniz, and old friend from Toronto, Tv personality turned filmaker. He took on the project for OMNI tv and produced a portuguese and english version. it is also shown on rtpi. i am convinced that a number of portuguese pioneers on the west coast came up from san francisco for the 1858 Fraser river gold rush. they usually married aboriginal women and fathered many children. today there are annual Silvey reunions (not to be confused with John Silva who settled on Gabriola island off Nanaimo and had a fruit and vegetable store in Victoria around 1860). There is a Joe Silvey, river boat captain listed in an 1850 San Francisco directory. Also Gregory Fernandez, the first coffee roaster in British Columbia, tried and acquitted of attempted murder by BC's first judge, Judge Begby, ran a store in Gastown, the forerunner to Vancouver in 1862. In 1858 he is listed in the San Francisco directory as a fruit and vegetable dealer. He was from Madeira. His 17 yr. old nephew, Joe Gonçalves came to look after his uncle in 1874 (the only pioneer who does not appear to have married), and todays Madeira Park on the sunshine coast north of Vancouver is named after him. I also believe that Joe Silvey had brothers in california and the New Bedford but i have not been able to track them down. ps, there are other Portuguese Joe pioneers, and the epithet continues to this day, Portuguese Joe's cafe on Commercial drive in Vancouver is a cultural icon as is Portuguese Joe's fish store just outside Comox on vancouver island! cumprimentos, manuel lopes de azevedo (researching Ana Roza do Algarve who married Jose Lourenço de Azevedo in Ribeirinha, Lajes do Pico around 1834. She died in 1907. She was allegedly from Olhão in the Algarve although Doug has been unable to find her baptismal certificate. After my grandfather's return from the Portuguese civil war they started using the surname Lopes. PORTUGUESE JOE SILVEY OF VANCOUVER CANADA/Calheta de Nesquim, Pico, and possibly San Francisco (the baptismal record was found on pg. 35 verso (ie back), top entry of 3 on the page, in vol 4 baptisms (1825-1848) in Calheta de Nesquim, Pico, on LDS film #1,330,095) (translation) Jose, legitimate son of Joao Jose de Simas his wife Francisca Jacinta, natives here, paternal grandson of Pay incognito (father unknown) and Maria do Espirito Santo, maternal grandson of Antonio Silveira Quaresma his wife Maria Jacinta, all of this parish, born 23 April 1828, and was baptized on 28 april. Godparents: Father Jose Homem da Silveira, treasurer of the church Nossa Sr. da Piedade_ie Our Lady Of Piedade, and godmother, Rosa Maria, dau. of Manuel Goncalves de Simas, all of this parish On May 1, 11:11 am, Lionel Holmes lionelholme...@gmail.com wrote: There's another Portuguese Joe: In the War of 1812, a sailor known only as Portuguese Joe was a hero of battles against the British around the Great Lakes. Lionel On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Terri terr...@rogers.com wrote: Sorrymy mistake...he was an early pioneer on the WEST coast of Canada On May 1, 11:13 am, Terri terr...@rogers.com wrote: An interesting show today on the Canadian channel OMNI...about a 19th century Portuguese pioneer in Canada's eastern coast. Portuguese 'JOE (aka Jose Silva) from the island of Pico married a native woman and now has descendants .SILVA and SILVY surnames. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where would someone from Velas apply for a passport applications in the late 1840's?
Hi Cheri, thanks - Do you know where someone from Velas/Sao Jorge would have applied for a passort? Suzanne On May 12, 1:08 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Suzanne D, No, the only ones online are the ones you see for Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel island. It is the intent of the CCA to put the other 2 ports online eventually. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
Repost for Shervoy: The groom was Frank Williams, born in Fayal. The bride was Mary Ann Cook, nee Edwards, born in England, moved to Maine, then to New Bedford MA. Frank lived in Fairhaven, MA at the time of the marriage. His father was Joseph; his mother was Antonia. Her parents were Newell and Mary Ann Edwards. They were married on November 11, circa 1869-1876 in New Bedford. He was 33 and Mary Ann was 30. They both died in Lakevillle, MA in 1917. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where would someone from Velas apply for a passport applications in the late 1840's?
Suzanne, I don't research Sao Jorge and I'd have to look at a map. The nearest port to Sao Jorge is either Horta on Faial island or Angra on the island of Terceira. If the emigrant was going to HI, they had to leave out of Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel, no matter which island they were originally from. If an emigrant needed to get there by a certain time, they could have gone on the next boat, so that could be any of the 3 ports. It seems like the vast majority left from their home port though. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
1900 US Census ED 1134 Lakeville MA Frank Williams b. 1840 60 m. 25 years, b. Azores, parents b. Azores, farmer Wife: Mary Ann b. Jan 1847 53 2 children b. 2 ch. living, b. NH father b. NH, mother b. ME Nellie Frost, dau, b. July 1878 MA 21 m. 3 years, 2 ch. b. 2 ch. living John S. Williams, son, b. June 1881 MA 18, single Elizabeth M. frost gdau. b. Nov 1896 MA 3 y.o. George F. Frost (it says gdau???) but listed as male, b. Dec. 1899 MA Edith M. Davis, servant, Edward Corlin boarder, (I love this next one) James Dovins town pauper... E On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:09 AM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Cheri, Not sure of why repost...is she/he not on list? This info is on familysearch.org Marriage. Date of Marriage: Nov. 11. 1875. Mary A. Cook 30, 2nd marriage, b. Brunswick, Me. Her parents Newall Eduard (their sp) and Mary Ann. Groom: Frank Williams, 33, living in Fairhaven, farmer, b. Fayal, Western Islands, Joseph Francis and Antonia. Married by Moses Howe, clergyman. There is picture of actual marriage record on familysearch site. Will try to find more. Interesting there were a couple of Frank Williams in the area. E On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 8:22 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for Shervoy: The groom was Frank Williams, born in Fayal. The bride was Mary Ann Cook, nee Edwards, born in England, moved to Maine, then to New Bedford MA. Frank lived in Fairhaven, MA at the time of the marriage. His father was Joseph; his mother was Antonia. Her parents were Newell and Mary Ann Edwards. They were married on November 11, circa 1869-1876 in New Bedford. He was 33 and Mary Ann was 30. They both died in Lakevillle, MA in 1917. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
Cheri and Shervoy, You are most likely correct, Frank did come over on a whaler. You might try the Whaling Museum in New Bedford next time you are in the area. To try and research Faial records looking for a Francis/Francisco b. abt. 1840 with parents Joseph Francis and Antonia but without a parish is like looking for a needle in a haystack. Best bet - someone who has already researched this family. I will keep looking though to see if I can find a ship's manifest. I found one I was recently looking for in 1860's. Moses Howe, clergyman, New Bedford was already 80 years old in 1870 census, so he was 85 when they married. He had been a clergyman at Seaman's Bethel 1843-1858. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
I thought this is him but it says he was from US??? There is more than 1 Frank Williams in the area and I think, of these, one was a mariner and one was a farmer and one settled in Wellfleet (mariner) and one in Lakeville (farmer). Since several used the Williams surname could their surname have been Wilhelm (I think Portuguese for William??? or some such variation???) Frank Williams, 30, mariner, bark Evarista, sailing from Fayal, arriving Boston July 5, 1866. There is another, Frank Williams, 28, mariner, who I think is same as above sailing from Fayal on Barque Azor Oct. 1862 and it also listed from US. I also found these Frank Williams: Frank Williams, 33, sailing from Flores, Azores, farmer, arriving Boston Aug. 27, 1870 aboard the brig Oriana. Frank Williams, 30, laborer, sailing from Sao Miguel (St. Michael) arriving Boston July 14, 1873 on bark Armizade. PS: I also found Frank and Mary Ann living in Lakeville in the 1880 census. E I know ages don't quite match but we all know how these can fluctuate. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
Shervoy is on the list. But the postings from this person have 2 Re: in them, so it breaks the thread. They get caught in the queue so I need to repost them. It's always best to leave the subject alone, just hit reply, and type away. From Shervoy: I looked at the Whaling Museum's site, and he was not listed among the crews of the 3 trips the Kate Cory made to Faial. Therefore, I suspect that he signed onto a different ship in Faial, and somewhere along the line, signed onto the Kate Cory. He was on that ship when it was confiscated by the U.S. Navy during the Civil War, and it was burned by the Confederate ship The Alabama. The seamen were put ashore on the coast of Brazil. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
