Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Gorreana Tea - Azores
Thanks from me too, Elaine...This place is special to me as both my grandfather and his brother worked there...before coming to America..:-) Elizabeth You might find this interesting: http://gorreanatea.com/about/gorreana-tea.html E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] help with translation
hello all, i was wondering if someone could please help me with translating what the paragraph may be speaking of . I found this section on the online version of Revista Michaelense pg 359. I am trying to give this Portuguese reading a crack , but am not doing very well, any help would be appreciated. The text Paroçhos aniouiuçis - Nas vagas ou justos impedimentos de alguns dos vigários ou priores, dirigiram o serviço parochial de Santa Luzia das Feteiras os seguintes: l//f^-v/^í7/7£s— Matheus Fernandes de Sampaio de 1626—a— 1627;— ^mbrosio do Rego de 1690—a—1700;—João Tavares Martins de 1706—a— 1707;—Matheus Guoduim Stone de 1711—a— 1714;—Manuel Pinheiro Borges em 1750;— Manuel José da Silveira de 1757—a—1758;—António de Fontes (antes de ser vigário) de 1770—a— 1773, e de 1775—a— 1790;— André Francisco do Rego de 1806-a— 1809;—Francisco José de Macedo em 1810;— Luiz Bento de Gouveia em 1810; — Manuel José Soares de Menezes de 1811—a—1814. Vice-príores—Ma.nuitl da Costa Diogo em 1866;— José Francisco de Medeiros em 1867;— Dr. Luiz dos Reis Fernandes Silva de 1868—a—1870; — José Ignacio Ferreira em 1882;— Manuel de SOusa Calouro em 1895;—José Lino dos Anjos de -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Katherine, Do you mind if I ask which exact test you took? I am trying to determine if/where the jewish connection to the azores is but it would be on my father's side of the family and I understood that only a male from that side could take the test. Could I take a DNA test that would indicate Midlle Aastern DNA being a female ? On May 18, 6:07 am, Katherine kvjjmmbor...@msn.com wrote: Hi Cheri, I asked Bennett (FTDNA President for those reading who don't know who he is) about the Middle Eastern DNA and he replied that it means its Jewish DNA. So that would fit with the history of Sephardic Jews settling the Azores. My son, husband, and myself all have varying degrees of Middle Eastern DNA results. I also tested my father-in-law and he has two small segment matches to two men who ONLY have Continental Portuguese ancestry. Interesting... Kind regards, Katherine -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Lori, I'm not Katherine and I'm not sure how closely she's following this thread. Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) has their Family Finder (autosomal DNA) test. This test is one way to get the percent testing for the ethnicity. It is under beta testing and states so. They have been able to sample only a few populations from each continent, so it's no where near comprehensive yet. Here are the reference populations that they are currently comparing the DNA against. Note: They haven't sampled the Portuguese population yet. http://goo.gl/8fXp2 Here is the whole list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) about the Population Finder (the ethnicity portion of the Family Finder test): http://goo.gl/7yFl0 To be clear, this test will NOT tell you where the Jewish connection is. It will only tell you that it appears that there was some Middle Eastern in there. I'd have to check to see how many generations ago. If your Jewish ancestor was 10 generations ago and you have that on paper, it very well may NOT show up in this DNA test, as too much time has passed and the DNA became too diluted with each generation. Because this is an autosomal DNA test (a mixture of your 22 pairs of your autosomal chromosomes (your 23rd pair is the sex chromosomes - making you male or female), either men or women can take this type of DNA test. Now, if you KNOW that a certain ancestor was Jewish and you found the son of the son of the son of that male descendant, you could have his Y chromosome tested via one of the Y DNA tests. That's looking at the sex chromosome only which does NOT recombine (or shuffle). So you would know exactly where that DNA is coming from. Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Admin Azores DNA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Testing Companies and Types of DNA tests (for genealogy)
Just so everyone is clear (and this can be confusing), I'll outline a little of this below. SOME DNA Testing companies (my list is not comprehensive). 1) Ancestry.com 2) Family Tree DNA (FTDNA) They are not the same. They different companies, just as much as buying a Sony TV is different than buying a TV made by Sharp. Two different companies. 1) Ancestry.com offers Y-DNA testing (for men - the father's father's father's line - strictly the male line, all men, all the way back). I think the most markers they test for is 46. They also offer mtDNA testing for either men or women. This traces the mother's mother's mother's line - strictly the female line, all women, all the way back). I don't remember off the top of my head if they test both mtDNA regions or only 1. Therefore, Ancestry offers Y DNA testing and mtDNA testing. Two types of tests. 2) FTDNA offers Y-DNA testing. They are now up to a 111 marker test (that's only been out a couple of months now). FTDNA also offers mtDNA testing. They test for both regions (called HyperVariable Region 1 and 2 or HVR1 and HVR2) as well as the Full Genomic Sequence (FGS) which is the entire 16,000+ mitochondrial molecule. Last year, FTDNA began offering a new type of test that they named Family Finder. This is the autosomal testing that has been mentioned in another thread (topic). It tests the mixture of your 22 pairs of chromosomes that can cover your pedigree back to at least the testee's 2 great-grandparents. Therefore, FTDNA offers Y DNA testing, mtDNA testing, and autosomal (Family Finder) DNA testing. Three types of tests. Why I like FTDNA (and why the Azores DNA project is housed there). 1) They are the first and the largest DNA testing company. Being big is important in the DNA world. It means more people to compare your DNA test against and more chances to find matches and new cousins. 2) They deal exclusively with genealogists. That's their focus - genealogy and family history. Yes, you can find other DNA companies that will do some family testing, but that's not really their focus. It's kind of like a side thing. 3) They deal exclusively with DNA. That's their only product. I've got an Ancestry subscription and I've called Ancestry to ask them about their DNA (on more than one occasion too). They always have to check my subscription and then try to upgrade me. It feels as if they didn't listen to my question about DNA. They'd rather sell me something else. 4) FTDNA has a complete advisory board and adheres to the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a government agency (I assume American government). They've even helped contribute and refine some standards. 5) They store your DNA for 25 years if you would like further testing. 6) They have wonderful administrator tools that allows me and the co-administrators to help you manage your DNA. If you tested with Ancestry.com or another testing company, FTDNA will offer special pricing to convert you over (you can't repair your Sony TV by putting in a part from Sharp). http://goo.gl/Jul1o Hope this clarifies things a bit. Cheri Mello Family Tree DNA Admin Azores DNA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Hi Sam, FTDNA's Family Finder test gives the ethnicity percentages and showed Shirley as part Middle Eastern. Since Shirley was the DNA participant, it shows that she's part Middle Eastern. In order for her to find out if it was her father's or mother's line, she would have to test each one of them if they were alive, or have a paper trail to the Sephardic line. Cheri On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Oh shoot, I didn't read Cheri's email carefully enough and now I really want to know what the dna test was that showed the Middle Eastern dna and did it indicate if it was from the mothers or fathers line?? Thanks and apologies, Sam (back in CA) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
Hi Mike G, I don't know if it's your page or an FTDNA problem, but it won't let me match you to the entire database. I'll report it to FTDNA tomorrow, when they are open. Anyways, you tested your Y-DNA. This is your strict paternal line: your father's father's father's line, all men all the way back. Family Finder is a new test (been out a year now). It doesn't look at your Y-DNA. It looks at the other 22 pairs of chromosomes. I waited about 6 months to see how it worked. That's why nothing's been said until recently. Your Y-DNA is a straight shot. You know EXACTLY where that DNA came from - your father's father's father's father. FamilyFinder is a mixture (card shuffle) of your 22 autosomes. You can't tell exactly where the match is coming from. It's a puzzle that you have to work. So no, you didn't take the wrong test. We know where your Y-chromosome came from (your dad). I think that it's still the best DNA test on the marker because the line can be directly traced. However, with so many families intermarrying in the Azores, I think that we'll start to make matches more quickly with the Family Finder test - if one has the patience to figure it out. Cheri On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:35 AM, mikeg mgenie...@gmail.com wrote: Cheri, et. al, I'm fascinated by the Azores DNA project but puzzled too. A few years back, I tested, and then followed up again with a broader count. There was a flurry of early results, then nothing. No report. Nothing. No changes, same old list of possible matches. Maybe I took the wrong tests because your results are intriguing, and curious. Thanks, Mike -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: More Family Finder DNA results are in
My PAF program says Susan Ken are 5th cousins 1 removed. I know that Susan and I are 6th cousins straight down the line from Jose Mathias and Maria de Sao Joao and Ken's is from the same couple. Rosemarie Susan, Your brother's DNA (Family Finder test) is now in. It shows your brother as a 4th to distant cousin with Rosemarie Capodicci's 1st cousin. What does your genealogy program say the relationship is between you or your brother and Rosemarie's first cousin? Cheri On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:31 PM, Susan Vargas Murphy uberlin...@aol.comwrote: I was excited to see that Rosemarie did this as it will be very interesting to see if it shows if we are related (which we know we are) once mine comes in! Susan Vargas Murphy -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
