[AZORES-Genealogy] Mother Name Change

[Eddie Machado]

Hi all,

Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st 
names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records wrong? 
Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P230.html

There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.

Thanks,

Eddie Machado

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother Name Change

[Eddie Machado]

Oh and also am I reading the abbreviated last name right as Azevedo 
Machado? 

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:38:39 AM UTC-4, Eddie Machado wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st 
> names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records wrong? 
> Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P230.html
>
> There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eddie Machado
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother Name Change

[Eddie Machado]

Here is one of the others:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P194.html

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:38:39 AM UTC-4, Eddie Machado wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st 
> names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records wrong? 
> Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P230.html
>
> There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eddie Machado
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother Name Change

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

The first record is not as clear as the second but I see Anna Isabel and I
think de Almeida in the second record it is clearly Anna Isabel de Almeida.
Anna is hyphenated with An on the first line and na on the second.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Eddie Machado
Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:37 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother Name Change

 

Here is one of the others:

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-17
99-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P194.html

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 9:38:39 AM UTC-4, Eddie Machado wrote:

Hi all,

 

Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st
names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records wrong?
Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-17
99-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P230.html

 

There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.

 

Thanks,

 

Eddie Machado

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mother Name Change

[rcapodc]

>
Eddie,

Be VERY careful with this family!  There are at least two Manuel d'Azevedo
Machados in the time period having children. One wife, mine, is Isabel
Maria and yours is Ana Isabel, I believe. I am at work at present and
don't have my data in front of me but I do know that I had to trace both
families to keep them straight. It's so easy to get them confused. To make
matters worse, when you go to the marriages there are 3 marriages of
people with similar names. One, can't remember which, even has the Priest
writing a note in the margin about the mix ups!

I will try to send you what I have on your line when I get home and can
figure out how to send it from my PAF program. I know that I have a list
of the kids with spouses. I don't have all of the marriage dates for them
but the names at lease.

Rosemarie


 Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st
> names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records
> wrong?
> Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P230.html
>
> There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eddie Machado
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mother Name Change

[Eddie Machado]

I am actually looking for Maria Isabella. Parents of Joao d'Azevedo Machado.
On Nov 1, 2012 12:28 PM,  wrote:

> >
> Eddie,
>
> Be VERY careful with this family!  There are at least two Manuel d'Azevedo
> Machados in the time period having children. One wife, mine, is Isabel
> Maria and yours is Ana Isabel, I believe. I am at work at present and
> don't have my data in front of me but I do know that I had to trace both
> families to keep them straight. It's so easy to get them confused. To make
> matters worse, when you go to the marriages there are 3 marriages of
> people with similar names. One, can't remember which, even has the Priest
> writing a note in the margin about the mix ups!
>
> I will try to send you what I have on your line when I get home and can
> figure out how to send it from my PAF program. I know that I have a list
> of the kids with spouses. I don't have all of the marriage dates for them
> but the names at lease.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>  Hi all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st
> > names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records
> > wrong?
> > Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:
> >
> >
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P230.html
> >
> > There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eddie Machado
> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa

[Cheri Mello]

Diane D,

It's probably her.  Do you find any other Victorina (Rosa or Constancia)
having babies with another Cristiano Machado (or Machado Pereira)?  If you
don't find another Cristiano/Vitorina couple, then that's your Vitorina's
obit.  You can also look for Cristiano's 2nd marriage and see what they
call Vitorina (he'll be a widower of Vitorina ___).  You have her on all
the kids' baptisms as Vitorina Constancia?  What about all of her
biological grandkids?  How do they list her at their baptism?
Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado in Pleasanton, CA

[Robin Borba Besotes]

Ally,
 
Keep me posted if you find any information from the church.  My 2nd great 
grandmother, Ana Furtado Jorge do Souto, was married in San Mateo County 
and other than that information I have no other connections to her 
Furtado's.  It wasn't until I met a cousin online who lives Texas who 
happened to additional information from her grandmother about our mutual 
2nd great grandmother and provided me with her full last name of Furtado 
Jorge do Souto.  Once I had this, everything fell into place.
 
As I mentioned in my earlier post I've traced this line as far back as I 
can in the village of Salao, Faial, Azores.  The only place I currently 
have a stumbling block is from the Azores her to the USA to the time she 
married.  

Good luck on your search,
 
Robin Borba Besotes
 

On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-7, Ally wrote:

>  Robin ~
>  
> Sorry to answer you so late.  We had carpet laid and I had to empty two 
> rooms of pure junk collection!  I'm having a field day tossing, sorting, 
> and donating.and then I found this picture.
>  
> The only info that I have, is her name is Maria Furtado, and she was my 
> Father's Godmother.  So, that would be her married name.  The picture is 
> WWII era, maybe 1942.  She would be at least 30 years older than my 
> Father.  By looking at the picture she is in her 60's or 70's.
>  
> My Father was born in 1912, in Pleasanton.  So I'm guessing that his 
> christening was soon after his birth.
>  
> I'm not finding anything of her in Pleasanton.   There is a Mary, but she 
> would be way too young to fit this picture.
>  
> The Furtado family that I'm trying to locate, would have lived in 
> Pleasanton between 1900 and 1960.  So far no luck.  But I have written the 
> Catholic Church in Pleasanton and hoping they will give me his name.
>  
> I'll let you know what I find.
>  
> Ally
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa

[Margaret Vicente]

Diane,

A genealogist may have some recommendations but I would start by
searching for her birth record to confirm parents.  Check for this
couple's children's birth records starting from Sep 16th, date of her
death which could have been due to childbirth.  You may be able to
obtain information from godparents names that could point in the right
direction.  Also their marriage record if you don't already have it.

Middle names are a marker but not always accurate.  I have a ggmother
that ended up with 3 different middle names.

Margaret





On 11/1/12, Diane  wrote:
> thank you Margaret. I am even now more confused because my Victorina Rosa,
> who died around this time and was married to Christiano Machado Pereira,
> would have been 28 when she died and she belonged to that parish.  So all
> the information is there except "Constancia" second name. She was Victorina
>
> Rosa on her marriage record but I have found other records where the women
> have been known by different middle names  It's a bit of a mystery but I am
>
> still suspicious about this one. Everything else seems to fit and I can't
> find her anywhere else.
>
> The Pereira could have been left off Christiano's name because he picked
> that up somewhere along the line. Victorina's father was a Machado too.
>
>
> On Thursday, 1 November 2012 11:50:36 UTC+10:30, Mara wrote:
>
>> Diane,
>>
>> On the 16th day of the month of September of the year 1853 passed away
>> Victoria Constancia who was the wife of Christiano Machado with all the
>> sacraments at 28 years of age more or less.
>>
>> Margaret Vicente
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Diane
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I know that my GGGrandmother from Urzelina died somewhere between 1853
>>> and 1863. I have searched the registers many times and the only record
>>> that
>>> shows the names of her and her husband in any format is the following.
>>> 3rd
>>> par on right.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P45.html
>>>
>>> Her husband was Christiano Machado Pereira. This Victorina seems to have
>>>
>>> a different middle name but the rest all adds up - parish etc.  and the
>>> names are relatively uncommon. She had a child in February of 1853 and
>>> this
>>> death is in September I think.  Christiano remarried in 1863 to her
>>> sister
>>> Perpetua.
>>>
>>> Can anyone please confirm whether this is the likely record I have been
>>> looking for. If not, would it appear in another place when all the
>>> family's
>>> other records are in Urzelina?
>>>
>>> thank you
>>> Diane Donnon
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mother Name Change

[jandra...@juno.com]

Maria daughter of Manoel Azevedo Machado and his wife Anna Isabel de Almada, 
all native and memvers of this church of Nossa Senhora da Neves, Place of Norte 
Grande born on february 6, 1805 ... Jose daughter of Manoel Azevedo Machado and 
his wife Ana Isabel all natives and members f the church of Nossa Senhora da 
Neves, place of Norte Grando, born on feb 9, 1806 It is not unusual for women 
to have no last name.  The women's last name can usually be found on the 
marrige record where the parents are named.

Woman is 53 But Looks 25
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line

[EResendes]

I've already found a match with my direct ancestors.  Simao da Costa & 
Maria Franca (Franco) are my 12th Gen Ancestors.  They had a son Named 
Amaro da Costa Pimentel that I branch from.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:27:55 PM UTC-4, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> I'm attaching my S. Miguel line. Hope there are more matches in the list
>
> Marcio Borba 
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa att. Diane

[Marcio Borba]

It is your Vitorina. It was common for women to used diferent second names. I 
have seen this way to often to say it is unusual. I read her age as being 28

Marcio Borba 
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De: Diane 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quarta-feira, 31 de Outubro de 2012, 23:09

I know that my GGGrandmother from Urzelina died somewhere between 1853 and 
1863. I have searched the registers many times and the only record that shows 
the names of her and her husband in any format is the following. 3rd par on 
right. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858/SJR-VL-URZELINA-O-1841-1858_item1/P45.html Her
 husband was Christiano Machado Pereira. This Victorina seems to have a 
different middle name but the rest all adds up - parish etc.  and the names are 
relatively uncommon. She had a child in February of 1853 and this death is in 
September I think.  Christiano remarried in 1863 to her sister Perpetua.  Can 
anyone please confirm whether this is the likely record I have been looking 
for. If not, would it appear in another place when all the family's other 
records are in Urzelina? thank youDiane Donnon



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mother Name Change

[Eddie Machado]

Sorry sent that last on via my cell phone let me clarify.. I am look for 
Manual d'Azevedo Machado who is married to Maria Isabel. Parents of Joao 
d'Azevedo Machado. I was looking for Joao's baptism when I came across Ana 
Isabel. That led me to ask about first names being changed. 


On Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:31:02 PM UTC-4, Eddie Machado wrote:
>
> I am actually looking for Maria Isabella. Parents of Joao d'Azevedo 
> Machado.
> On Nov 1, 2012 12:28 PM,  wrote:
>
>> >
>> Eddie,
>>
>> Be VERY careful with this family!  There are at least two Manuel d'Azevedo
>> Machados in the time period having children. One wife, mine, is Isabel
>> Maria and yours is Ana Isabel, I believe. I am at work at present and
>> don't have my data in front of me but I do know that I had to trace both
>> families to keep them straight. It's so easy to get them confused. To make
>> matters worse, when you go to the marriages there are 3 marriages of
>> people with similar names. One, can't remember which, even has the Priest
>> writing a note in the margin about the mix ups!
>>
>> I will try to send you what I have on your line when I get home and can
>> figure out how to send it from my PAF program. I know that I have a list
>> of the kids with spouses. I don't have all of the marriage dates for them
>> but the names at lease.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>>
>>  Hi all,
>> >
>> > Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st
>> > names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records
>> > wrong?
>> > Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:
>> >
>> > 
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810_item1/P230.html
>> >
>> > There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Eddie Machado
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mother Name Change

[Marcio Borba]

Their first names don't usually change. If any changes to their name was during 
confirmation. What mostly likely happen was a mistake by the priest writting 
the record or couples with similar names. Can you paste the link to Joao de 
Azevedo Machado marriage record and any children. (you can you send it directly 
to my email adress) 

Marcio Borba 
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--- Em qui, 1/11/12, Eddie Machado  escreveu:

De: Eddie Machado 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mother Name Change
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 18:31

Sorry sent that last on via my cell phone let me clarify.. I am look for Manual 
d'Azevedo Machado who is married to Maria Isabel. Parents of Joao d'Azevedo 
Machado. I was looking for Joao's baptism when I came across Ana Isabel. That 
led me to ask about first names being changed. 

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:31:02 PM UTC-4, Eddie Machado wrote:I am 
actually looking for Maria Isabella. Parents of Joao d'Azevedo Machado.
On Nov 1, 2012 12:28 PM,   wrote:

>

Eddie,



Be VERY careful with this family!  There are at least two Manuel d'Azevedo

Machados in the time period having children. One wife, mine, is Isabel

Maria and yours is Ana Isabel, I believe. I am at work at present and

don't have my data in front of me but I do know that I had to trace both

families to keep them straight. It's so easy to get them confused. To make

matters worse, when you go to the marriages there are 3 marriages of

people with similar names. One, can't remember which, even has the Priest

writing a note in the margin about the mix ups!



I will try to send you what I have on your line when I get home and can

figure out how to send it from my PAF program. I know that I have a list

of the kids with spouses. I don't have all of the marriage dates for them

but the names at lease.



Rosemarie





 Hi all,

>

> Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st

> names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records

> wrong?

> Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:

>

> http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR- 
> VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/ SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799- 1810_item1/P230.html


>

> There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Eddie Machado

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line att. Emanuel

[Marcio Borba]

Great. I have 6 children for Simao da Costa and Maria Franco. One of them being 
your Amaro, b. in Matriz, Nordeste, Jan. 18. 1689

Marcio Borba 
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--- Em qui, 1/11/12, EResendes  escreveu:

De: EResendes 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 17:43

I've already found a match with my direct ancestors.  Simao da Costa & Maria 
Franca (Franco) are my 12th Gen Ancestors.  They had a son Named Amaro da Costa 
Pimentel that I branch from.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:27:55 PM UTC-4, Azoreanno wrote:I'm attaching 
my S. Miguel line. Hope there are more matches in the list

Marcio Borba 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line att. Emanuel

[Judi Phillips]

I am a descendent of Isabel da Costa, daughter of Simao da Costa and Maria 
Franco, born in Nordeste.
Judi Phillips
 



Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:43:20 -0700
From: marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line att. Emanuel
To: azores@googlegroups.com





Great. I have 6 children for Simao da Costa and Maria Franco. One of them being 
your Amaro, b. in Matriz, Nordeste, Jan. 18. 1689

Marcio Borba 
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--- Em qui, 1/11/12, EResendes  escreveu:


De: EResendes 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 17:43


I've already found a match with my direct ancestors.  Simao da Costa & Maria 
Franca (Franco) are my 12th Gen Ancestors.  They had a son Named Amaro da Costa 
Pimentel that I branch from.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:27:55 PM UTC-4, Azoreanno wrote:




I'm attaching my S. Miguel line. Hope there are more matches in the list

Marcio Borba 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mother Name Change

[Eddie Machado]

Hey Marcio,

Here is the link to Joao d'Azevedo Machado and Maria Constancia son Joao:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1825-1839_item1/P149.html

Here is the link to the Marriage with translation below:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847/SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-C-1812-1847_item1/P163.html

in the twenty ninth day of the month of October of the year one thousand 
eight hundred and twenty five in the morning in this Parochial Church of N. 
Senhora das Neves of the place of Norte Grande of the District of the Villa 
of the Vellas of this Island of S Jorge, having proceeded with diligence of 
the current style to discover any impediment were given dispensation to the 
4th grade of consanguinity (fourth cousins) I fulfilled the order of the 
Reverend Ouvidor of the District Joze Ignacio Soraes in the presence of the 
Reverend Cura of this same Church Manoel Joaquim of the Silveira, and 
myself Jorge d' Azevedo. e Machado that signed as witness Joao Teixeira 
Machado, were solemly married by the words of Ecclesio Judge, João d' 
Azevedo Machado, son of Manuel Azevedo Machado and his wife Maria Isabel de 
Jesus to Maria Constancia d’Azevedo daughter of Antonio Machado Alves and 
his wife Thereza de Sigueira all native of this stated Parish in the 
presence of the of Reverendo Cura Joao Teixeira Vieira on 29 October 1825
The Vicar Jorge deAzevedo e Machado

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:41:03 PM UTC-4, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> Their first names don't usually change. If any changes to their name was 
> during confirmation. What mostly likely happen was a mistake by the priest 
> writting the record or couples with similar names. 
> Can you paste the link to Joao de Azevedo Machado marriage record and any 
> children. (you can you send it directly to my email adress) 
>
> Marcio Borba 
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
>
> --- Em *qui, 1/11/12, Eddie Machado  >*escreveu:
>
>
> De: Eddie Machado >
> Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mother Name Change
> Para: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 18:31
>
> Sorry sent that last on via my cell phone let me clarify.. I am look for 
> Manual d'Azevedo Machado who is married to Maria Isabel. Parents of Joao 
> d'Azevedo Machado. I was looking for Joao's baptism when I came across Ana 
> Isabel. That led me to ask about first names being changed. 
>
>
> On Thursday, November 1, 2012 12:31:02 PM UTC-4, Eddie Machado wrote:
>
> I am actually looking for Maria Isabella. Parents of Joao d'Azevedo 
> Machado.
> On Nov 1, 2012 12:28 PM, 
> http://mc/compose?to=rcap...@redshift.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> >
> Eddie,
>
> Be VERY careful with this family!  There are at least two Manuel d'Azevedo
> Machados in the time period having children. One wife, mine, is Isabel
> Maria and yours is Ana Isabel, I believe. I am at work at present and
> don't have my data in front of me but I do know that I had to trace both
> families to keep them straight. It's so easy to get them confused. To make
> matters worse, when you go to the marriages there are 3 marriages of
> people with similar names. One, can't remember which, even has the Priest
> writing a note in the margin about the mix ups!
>
> I will try to send you what I have on your line when I get home and can
> figure out how to send it from my PAF program. I know that I have a list
> of the kids with spouses. I don't have all of the marriage dates for them
> but the names at lease.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>  Hi all,
> >
> > Does anyone know if there were instances of mothers changing their 1st
> > names? Say from Anna to Maria? Am I just reading the Baptism records
> > wrong?
> > Or just a totally different person? Here is one record example:
> >
> > http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR- 
> VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799-1810/ SJR-VL-NORTEGRANDE-B-1799- 
> 1810_item1/P230.html
> >
> > There are others with same names were Anna is clearer.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eddie Machado
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line att. Emanuel & Judi

[Marcio Borba]

Isabel was the oldest. She was born July 2 1679, in Matriz, Nordeste.

Marcio Borba 
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--- Em qui, 1/11/12, Judi Phillips  escreveu:

De: Judi Phillips 
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line att. Emanuel
Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 19:05





I am a descendent of Isabel da Costa, daughter of Simao da Costa and Maria 
Franco, born in Nordeste.

Judi Phillips
 




Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 10:43:20 -0700
From: marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line att. Emanuel
To: azores@googlegroups.com





Great. I have 6 children for Simao da Costa and Maria Franco. One of them being 
your Amaro, b. in Matriz, Nordeste, Jan. 18. 1689

Marcio Borba 
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--- Em qui, 1/11/12, EResendes  escreveu:


De: EResendes 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 17:43


I've already found a match with my direct ancestors.  Simao da Costa & Maria 
Franca (Franco) are my 12th Gen Ancestors.  They had a son Named Amaro da Costa 
Pimentel that I branch from.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:27:55 PM UTC-4, Azoreanno wrote:




I'm attaching my S. Miguel line. Hope there are more matches in the list

Marcio Borba 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa

[Isabella Baltar]

I don't know where I came up with 24, its clear 28  as Margaret said.
Isabella


On Oct 31, 7:49 pm, BaltarFamily  wrote:
> Diane,
>
> The record is about the death of Victorina Constancia, married to
> Christiano Machado. She was only 24 years old when she passed on 16 of
> September of 1853, and was buried at the local Parish cemetery (São
> Matheus - Urzelina).
>
> Isabella Baltar
> myportuguesegen.blogspot.com
>
> On Oct 31, 6:09 pm, Diane  wrote:
>
>
>
> > I know that my GGGrandmother from Urzelina died somewhere between 1853 and
> > 1863. I have searched the registers many times and the only record that
> > shows the names of her and her husband in any format is the following. 3rd
> > par on right.
>
> >http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-...
>
> > Her husband was Christiano Machado Pereira. This Victorina seems to have a
> > different middle name but the rest all adds up - parish etc.  and the names
> > are relatively uncommon. She had a child in February of 1853 and this death
> > is in September I think.  Christiano remarried in 1863 to her sister
> > Perpetua.
>
> > Can anyone please confirm whether this is the likely record I have been
> > looking for. If not, would it appear in another place when all the family's
> > other records are in Urzelina?
>
> > thank you
> > Diane Donnon

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado in Pleasanton, CA

[eric edgar]

I'll add that it is possible that  Maria Furtado did not live in
Pleasanton. It's not a requirement for a godparent. Do you have any other
records or stories that tie her to Pleasanton. None of my childrens
godparents live in the county.

Eric Edgar

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Robin Borba Besotes
wrote:

> Ally,
>
> Keep me posted if you find any information from the church.  My 2nd great
> grandmother, Ana Furtado Jorge do Souto, was married in San Mateo County
> and other than that information I have no other connections to her
> Furtado's.  It wasn't until I met a cousin online who lives Texas who
> happened to additional information from her grandmother about our mutual
> 2nd great grandmother and provided me with her full last name of Furtado
> Jorge do Souto.  Once I had this, everything fell into place.
>
> As I mentioned in my earlier post I've traced this line as far back as I
> can in the village of Salao, Faial, Azores.  The only place I currently
> have a stumbling block is from the Azores her to the USA to the time she
> married.
>
> Good luck on your search,
>
> Robin Borba Besotes
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-7, Ally wrote:
>
>>  Robin ~
>>
>> Sorry to answer you so late.  We had carpet laid and I had to empty two
>> rooms of pure junk collection!  I'm having a field day tossing, sorting,
>> and donating.and then I found this picture.
>>
>> The only info that I have, is her name is Maria Furtado, and she was my
>> Father's Godmother.  So, that would be her married name.  The picture is
>> WWII era, maybe 1942.  She would be at least 30 years older than my
>> Father.  By looking at the picture she is in her 60's or 70's.
>>
>> My Father was born in 1912, in Pleasanton.  So I'm guessing that his
>> christening was soon after his birth.
>>
>> I'm not finding anything of her in Pleasanton.   There is a Mary, but she
>> would be way too young to fit this picture.
>>
>> The Furtado family that I'm trying to locate, would have lived in
>> Pleasanton between 1900 and 1960.  So far no luck.  But I have written the
>> Catholic Church in Pleasanton and hoping they will give me his name.
>>
>> I'll let you know what I find.
>>
>> Ally
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line

[Marcio Borba]

Sending below Simao da Costa and Maria Franco children.Can you give me more 
detailed information on your Isabel and Amaro, as I only have their birthdates.



Descendants of SIMÃO DA COSTA

 

 

Generation No. 1

 

    1.  SIMÃO2
DA COSTA  (ANTÓNIO1
FERREIRA) was born in Matriz S. Jorge, Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel.  He married 
MARIA FRANCO 10 Apr 1679 in
Matriz S. Jorge, Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel, daughter of FAUSTINO FRANCO and 
MARIA
DA COSTA PONTE.  She was born 10 May 1660
in Matriz S. Jorge, Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel.

    

Children of SIMÃO DA COSTA and MARIA FRANCO are:

    2 i.    Isabel3, born 02 Jul 1679 in
Matriz S. Jorge, Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel.

    3    ii.    Maria, born 02 Nov 1681 in Matriz S. Jorge,
Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel.

    4   iii.    Simão, born 01 Nov 1684 in Matriz S. Jorge,
Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel.

    5   iv.    Amaro, born 18 Jan 1689 in Matriz S. Jorge,
Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel.

    6    v.    JOSÉ DA COSTA NETO, born 26 Mar 1692 in
Matriz S. Jorge, Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel. 
He married ANTÓNIA DE AMARAL 27 May 1719 in Matriz S. Jorge, Nordeste,
ilha de S. Miguel; born 16 Jun 1696 in Matriz S. Jorge, Nordeste, ilha de S.
Miguel.

    7   vi.    Teresa, born 11 Oct 1698 in Matriz S. Jorge,
Nordeste, ilha de S. Miguel.Marcio Borba 
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--- Em qui, 1/11/12, EResendes  escreveu:

De: EResendes 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 17:43

I've already found a match with my direct ancestors.  Simao da Costa & Maria 
Franca (Franco) are my 12th Gen Ancestors.  They had a son Named Amaro da Costa 
Pimentel that I branch from.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:27:55 PM UTC-4, Azoreanno wrote:I'm attaching 
my S. Miguel line. Hope there are more matches in the list

Marcio Borba 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism

[Hermano C. Pires]

Good magination ! :))I can make out basically the same thing: Antonio son of 
Antonio de Mello (Melo) son of Manuel da Costa Borges and his wife Joana de 
Mello (Melo) and Maria da Rosa (Roza) daughter of Cristovam Vaz de Mello (Melo) 
and his wife Catherina (Catarina) de Moura.Hermano
 From: tish.me...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2012 11:12:41 -0700
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism
To: Azores@googlegroups.com

Hi,If possible I would like more eyes looking at this Baptism.

What I have... with some imagination.
Antonio, son of Antonio de Mello, son of Manoel da ? Borges and Joa? de Melo or 
Velho, and Maria da Rosa, daughter of (? Cristabol) Vas da Melo or Velho, and 
Catherina de Moura.

Born on Oct. 26, 1728.This a record from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria.


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa

[Diane]

Thank you to Cheri, Marcio and Mara for your replies. I do have most 
of those other records and the only thing that didn't fit was "Constancia". 
She is "Rosa" on her marriage and the baptism of her sons in 1850 and 1853. 
On her baptism and Christiano's second marriage record, she is just 
Victorina. The age at death on this obit is correct for my Victorina too - 
28. I don't see those names appearing together anywhere else. 
 
Does the name Constancia have any significant meaning? It may have meant 
something to the family after she died??
 
Victorina may have had grandchildren born in the Azores to her second son. 
I haven't found them yet.  My line were all born in Sydney and those 
records do not show grandparents. When her son Joaquim married in Sydney in 
1884 (after living together for years) his parents are stated as Victoria 
Rosa and Christian Mitchell (Mitchell was Joaquim's new assumed surname 
name in Australia). I knew that his mother died when he was a child and 
that he had a stepmother and we still have the letters she wrote to him 
from Urzelina - signed off as Perpetua Rosa (she was Victorina's sister and 
their mother was Victorina de Jesus from Urzelina).
 
It all seems very sad, but I too think I have the right one because there 
is no other Victorina obit in that time period that I can see. 
 
On further question: Was it common for couples to live together outside of 
marriage in those villages? This family of mine were very devout Catholics 
and if this is the right Victorina, it means that Christiano was single 
with 2 very young children for about 10 years before he remarried. 
 
Thanks again. 
Diane Donnon
South Autralia
 
 

On Friday, 2 November 2012 03:12:29 UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Diane D,
>
> It's probably her.  Do you find any other Victorina (Rosa or Constancia) 
> having babies with another Cristiano Machado (or Machado Pereira)?  If you 
> don't find another Cristiano/Vitorina couple, then that's your Vitorina's 
> obit.  You can also look for Cristiano's 2nd marriage and see what they 
> call Vitorina (he'll be a widower of Vitorina ___).  You have her on all 
> the kids' baptisms as Vitorina Constancia?  What about all of her 
> biological grandkids?  How do they list her at their baptism?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa

[Diane]

Sorry this may have beem misleading. I meant that she was "Victorina Rosa" 
on her marriage and the baptism of her sons.
 
Diane
 

On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:56:54 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote:

> Thank you to Cheri, Marcio and Mara for your replies. I do have most 
> of those other records and the only thing that didn't fit was "Constancia". 
> She is "Rosa" on her marriage and the baptism of her sons in 1850 and 1853. 
> On her baptism and Christiano's second marriage record, she is just 
> Victorina. The age at death on this obit is correct for my Victorina too - 
> 28. I don't see those names appearing together anywhere else. 
>  
> Does the name Constancia have any significant meaning? It may have meant 
> something to the family after she died??
>  
> Victorina may have had grandchildren born in the Azores to her second son. 
> I haven't found them yet.  My line were all born in Sydney and those 
> records do not show grandparents. When her son Joaquim married in Sydney in 
> 1884 (after living together for years) his parents are stated as Victoria 
> Rosa and Christian Mitchell (Mitchell was Joaquim's new assumed surname 
> name in Australia). I knew that his mother died when he was a child and 
> that he had a stepmother and we still have the letters she wrote to him 
> from Urzelina - signed off as Perpetua Rosa (she was Victorina's sister and 
> their mother was Victorina de Jesus from Urzelina).
>  
> It all seems very sad, but I too think I have the right one because there 
> is no other Victorina obit in that time period that I can see. 
>  
> On further question: Was it common for couples to live together outside of 
> marriage in those villages? This family of mine were very devout Catholics 
> and if this is the right Victorina, it means that Christiano was single 
> with 2 very young children for about 10 years before he remarried. 
>  
> Thanks again. 
> Diane Donnon
> South Autralia
>  
>  
>
> On Friday, 2 November 2012 03:12:29 UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
>> Diane D,
>>
>> It's probably her.  Do you find any other Victorina (Rosa or Constancia) 
>> having babies with another Cristiano Machado (or Machado Pereira)?  If you 
>> don't find another Cristiano/Vitorina couple, then that's your Vitorina's 
>> obit.  You can also look for Cristiano's 2nd marriage and see what they 
>> call Vitorina (he'll be a widower of Vitorina ___).  You have her on all 
>> the kids' baptisms as Vitorina Constancia?  What about all of her 
>> biological grandkids?  How do they list her at their baptism?
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>> Tainhas, Achada
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism

[Marcio Borba]

To me seems: Antonio, son of Antonio de Melo, son of Manuel da Costa Borges and 
of his wife Joana de Melo, and of Maria da Rosa, daughter of Cristovao? Vaz de 
Melo and of his wife Catarina de Moura.
Tish! I have a question.Do you know if St. Espirito records on this period 
mentioned grandparents or was this one an exception?I have a gggrandfather from 
St. Espirito whose ancestors been traced. But I am stuck on the begining of the 
1700's, since records for this parish are lost.I'm attaching his line.

Marcio Borba 
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De: Tish M 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism
Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 19:12

Hi,If possible I would like more eyes looking at this Baptism.

What I have... with some imagination.
Antonio, son of Antonio de Mello, son of Manoel da ? Borges and Joa? de Melo or 
Velho, and Maria da Rosa, daughter of (? Cristabol) Vas da Melo or Velho, and 
Catherina de Moura.

Born on Oct. 26, 1728.This a record from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa

[Diane]

I think I have just made the link that confirms that she is the same 
person. there is a notation in the margin of her son's baptism record and 
appears to be the recording of her death. Being new to this research I  had 
not taken much notice of it before. It appears to be 16 Sept ?? which is 
the same date as the obit of Victorina Constancia. Can anyone please 
confirm the date on this notation.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P65.html
 
I also looked up the meaning of Constancia and found it means steadfast.
 
thank  you
Diane

On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:58:39 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote:

> Sorry this may have beem misleading. I meant that she was "Victorina Rosa" 
> on her marriage and the baptism of her sons.
>  
> Diane
>  
>
> On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:56:54 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote:
>
>> Thank you to Cheri, Marcio and Mara for your replies. I do have most 
>> of those other records and the only thing that didn't fit was "Constancia". 
>> She is "Rosa" on her marriage and the baptism of her sons in 1850 and 1853. 
>> On her baptism and Christiano's second marriage record, she is just 
>> Victorina. The age at death on this obit is correct for my Victorina too - 
>> 28. I don't see those names appearing together anywhere else. 
>>  
>> Does the name Constancia have any significant meaning? It may have meant 
>> something to the family after she died??
>>  
>> Victorina may have had grandchildren born in the Azores to her second 
>> son. I haven't found them yet.  My line were all born in Sydney and those 
>> records do not show grandparents. When her son Joaquim married in Sydney in 
>> 1884 (after living together for years) his parents are stated as Victoria 
>> Rosa and Christian Mitchell (Mitchell was Joaquim's new assumed surname 
>> name in Australia). I knew that his mother died when he was a child and 
>> that he had a stepmother and we still have the letters she wrote to him 
>> from Urzelina - signed off as Perpetua Rosa (she was Victorina's sister and 
>> their mother was Victorina de Jesus from Urzelina).
>>  
>> It all seems very sad, but I too think I have the right one because there 
>> is no other Victorina obit in that time period that I can see. 
>>  
>> On further question: Was it common for couples to live together outside 
>> of marriage in those villages? This family of mine were very devout 
>> Catholics and if this is the right Victorina, it means that Christiano was 
>> single with 2 very young children for about 10 years before he remarried. 
>>  
>> Thanks again. 
>> Diane Donnon
>> South Autralia
>>  
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, 2 November 2012 03:12:29 UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>>> Diane D,
>>>
>>> It's probably her.  Do you find any other Victorina (Rosa or Constancia) 
>>> having babies with another Cristiano Machado (or Machado Pereira)?  If you 
>>> don't find another Cristiano/Vitorina couple, then that's your Vitorina's 
>>> obit.  You can also look for Cristiano's 2nd marriage and see what they 
>>> call Vitorina (he'll be a widower of Vitorina ___).  You have her on all 
>>> the kids' baptisms as Vitorina Constancia?  What about all of her 
>>> biological grandkids?  How do they list her at their baptism?
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
>>> Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line att. Emanuel

[EResendes]

Thanks.  I didn't have his baptism only his marriage. 

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:43:22 PM UTC-4, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> Great. I have 6 children for Simao da Costa and Maria Franco. One of them 
> being your Amaro, b. in Matriz, Nordeste, Jan. 18. 1689
>
> Marcio Borba 
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
>
> --- Em *qui, 1/11/12, EResendes >*escreveu:
>
>
> De: EResendes >
> Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: S. Miguel line
> Para: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 17:43
>
> I've already found a match with my direct ancestors.  Simao da Costa & 
> Maria Franca (Franco) are my 12th Gen Ancestors.  They had a son Named 
> Amaro da Costa Pimentel that I branch from.
>
> On Wednesday, October 31, 2012 1:27:55 PM UTC-4, Azoreanno wrote:
>
> I'm attaching my S. Miguel line. Hope there are more matches in the list
>
> Marcio Borba 
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot. 
> com
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa

[Margaret Vicente]

No, that's not it Diane.

1a. certidao em 16 de Outubro 1871.   Translated - First certificate on
16-Oct-1871

I also found this, don't if you already have manuel's birth record, child
of Christiano and Victorina.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P88.html



On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Diane  wrote:

> I think I have just made the link that confirms that she is the same
> person. there is a notation in the margin of her son's baptism record and
> appears to be the recording of her death. Being new to this research I  had
> not taken much notice of it before. It appears to be 16 Sept ?? which is
> the same date as the obit of Victorina Constancia. Can anyone please
> confirm the date on this notation.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P65.html
>
> I also looked up the meaning of Constancia and found it means steadfast.
>
> thank  you
> Diane
>
> On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:58:39 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote:
>
>> Sorry this may have beem misleading. I meant that she was "Victorina
>> Rosa" on her marriage and the baptism of her sons.
>>
>> Diane
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:56:54 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you to Cheri, Marcio and Mara for your replies. I do have most
>>> of those other records and the only thing that didn't fit was "Constancia".
>>> She is "Rosa" on her marriage and the baptism of her sons in 1850 and 1853.
>>> On her baptism and Christiano's second marriage record, she is just
>>> Victorina. The age at death on this obit is correct for my Victorina too -
>>> 28. I don't see those names appearing together anywhere else.
>>>
>>> Does the name Constancia have any significant meaning? It may have meant
>>> something to the family after she died??
>>>
>>> Victorina may have had grandchildren born in the Azores to her second
>>> son. I haven't found them yet.  My line were all born in Sydney and those
>>> records do not show grandparents. When her son Joaquim married in Sydney in
>>> 1884 (after living together for years) his parents are stated as Victoria
>>> Rosa and Christian Mitchell (Mitchell was Joaquim's new assumed surname
>>> name in Australia). I knew that his mother died when he was a child and
>>> that he had a stepmother and we still have the letters she wrote to him
>>> from Urzelina - signed off as Perpetua Rosa (she was Victorina's sister and
>>> their mother was Victorina de Jesus from Urzelina).
>>>
>>> It all seems very sad, but I too think I have the right one because
>>> there is no other Victorina obit in that time period that I can see.
>>>
>>> On further question: Was it common for couples to live together outside
>>> of marriage in those villages? This family of mine were very devout
>>> Catholics and if this is the right Victorina, it means that Christiano was
>>> single with 2 very young children for about 10 years before he remarried.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Diane Donnon
>>> South Autralia
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, 2 November 2012 03:12:29 UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>
 Diane D,

 It's probably her.  Do you find any other Victorina (Rosa or
 Constancia) having babies with another Cristiano Machado (or Machado
 Pereira)?  If you don't find another Cristiano/Vitorina couple, then that's
 your Vitorina's obit.  You can also look for Cristiano's 2nd marriage and
 see what they call Vitorina (he'll be a widower of Vitorina ___).  You have
 her on all the kids' baptisms as Vitorina Constancia?  What about all of
 her biological grandkids?  How do they list her at their baptism?
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism

[Tish M]

Hi Marcio,
It looks like we are related. We have to go back to Antonio de Fonte Falcão
and Isabel Cabral! Your Maria and my Antonio were brother and sister.
Tish


On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Marcio Borba wrote:

> To me seems: Antonio, son of Antonio de Melo, son of Manuel da Costa
> Borges and of his wife Joana de Melo, and of Maria da Rosa, daughter of
> Cristovao? Vaz de Melo and of his wife Catarina de Moura.
>
> Tish! I have a question.
> Do you know if St. Espirito records on this period mentioned grandparents
> or was this one an exception?
> I have a gggrandfather from St. Espirito whose ancestors been traced. But
> I am stuck on the begining of the 1700's, since records for this parish are
> lost.
> I'm attaching his line.
>
>
> Marcio Borba
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
>
> --- Em *qui, 1/11/12, Tish M * escreveu:
>
>
> De: Tish M 
> Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism
> Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
> Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 19:12
>
>
> Hi,
> If possible I would like more eyes looking at this Baptism.
>  What I have... with some imagination.
>
> Antonio, son of Antonio de Mello, son of Manoel da ? Borges and Joa? de
> Melo or Velho, and Maria da Rosa, daughter of (? Cristabol) Vas da Melo or
> Velho, and Catherina de Moura.
> Born on Oct. 26, 1728.
> This a record from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado in Pleasanton, CA

[netadosAcores]

Eric,
 
Funny you should mention that.  The information came from my  Father.
 
Do you recall the old adobe home on Foothill Road?  We drove by it all  the 
time when I was a child, and my Father always said that it was  the 
"Alamo".  I got into an argument with my 4th grade  teacher, I thought he was 
the 
stupidest person alive, to think that the  Alamo was fought in Texas!  My 
Father had a unique since of  humor.
 
As soon as the church answers my letter, maybe we will know more.  And  
that will depend on if it was her husband who was his God Father.
 
Ally
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/1/2012 1:46:02 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
noblankt...@gmail.com writes:

I'll add  that it is possible that  Maria Furtado did not live in 
Pleasanton. It's  not a requirement for a godparent. Do you have any other 
records or 
stories  that tie her to Pleasanton. None of my childrens godparents live 
in the  county.  


Eric Edgar 

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Robin Borba Besotes  
<_besotes@succeed.net_ (mailto:beso...@succeed.net) > wrote:

Ally,
 
Keep me posted if you find any information from the church.   My 2nd great 
grandmother, Ana Furtado Jorge do Souto, was married in  San Mateo County 
and other than that information I have no other connections  to her Furtado's. 
 It wasn't until I met a cousin online who lives  Texas who happened to 
additional information from her grandmother about our  mutual 2nd great 
grandmother and provided me with her full last name of  Furtado Jorge do Souto. 
 
Once I had this, everything fell into  place.
 
As I mentioned in my earlier post I've traced this line as far back as  I 
can in the village of Salao, Faial, Azores.  The only place I  currently have 
a stumbling block is from the Azores her to the USA to the  time she 
married.  

Good luck on your search,
 
Robin Borba Besotes
 


On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-7, Ally wrote:

 
Robin ~
 
Sorry to answer you so late.  We had carpet laid and I had to  empty two 
rooms of pure junk collection!  I'm having a field day  tossing, sorting, and 
donating.and then I found this  picture.
 
The only info that I have, is her name is Maria Furtado, and she was  my 
Father's Godmother.  So, that would be her married name.  The  picture is WWII 
era, maybe 1942.  She would be at least 30 years  older than my Father.  By 
looking at the picture she is in her 60's  or 70's.
 
My Father was born in 1912, in Pleasanton.  So I'm guessing that  his 
christening was soon after his birth.
 
I'm not finding anything of her in Pleasanton.   There is a  Mary, but she 
would be way too young to fit this picture.
 
The Furtado family that I'm trying to locate, would have lived in  
Pleasanton between 1900 and 1960.  So far no luck.  But I have  written the 
Catholic 
Church in Pleasanton and hoping they will give me his  name.
 
I'll let you know what I find.
 
Ally




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado in Pleasanton, CA

[netadosAcores]

Rick ~
 
No Saint Augustine's.  I had wrote to them a few years ago, and  the church 
clerk called me back and said that they no longer look up  ancestors for 
people.  She said that the Pope put a stop to information  being given out 
without the written permission of ones Bishop.
 
This has been a headache for the last two years.
 
One of the items on my bucket list is to meet with my Bishop's clerk, who  
at the moment is on vacation.  So once he returns, I will make an  
appointment and he will write another letter, and maybe this time, Patsy and I  
will 
get our long awaited copies.  One can only hope.
 
Ally
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/31/2012 1:16:27 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net writes:

 
I would think the  church records would give the full names of the god  
parents. 
 
Rick 
Richard Francis  Pimentel 
Spring,  TX 
Formerly of  Epping, New Hampshire  
Researching,  Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and 
Ponta  Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
 
 
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Subject: Re:  [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado in Pleasanton,  CA

 
Robin  ~
 

 
Sorry  to answer you so late.  We had carpet laid and I had to empty two 
rooms  of pure junk collection!  I'm having a field day tossing, sorting, and  
donating.and then I found this picture.
 

 
The  only info that I have, is her name is Maria Furtado, and she was my 
Father's  Godmother.  So, that would be her married name.  The picture is WWII 
 era, maybe 1942.  She would be at least 30 years older than my  Father.  
By looking at the picture she is in her 60's or  70's.
 

 
My  Father was born in 1912, in Pleasanton.  So I'm guessing that his  
christening was soon after his birth.
 

 
I'm  not finding anything of her in Pleasanton.   There is a Mary, but  she 
would be way too young to fit this picture.
 

 
The  Furtado family that I'm trying to locate, would have lived in 
Pleasanton  between 1900 and 1960.  So far no luck.  But I have written the  
Catholic Church in Pleasanton and hoping they will give me his  name.
 

 
I'll  let you know what I find.
 

 
Ally
 

 
 
In a  message dated 10/2/2012 9:41:15 A.M. Mountain Standard Time (Me, 
_besotes@succeed.net_ (mailto:beso...@succeed.net)   writes:

 
Ally,
 

 
Could  you provide me additional information on your Furtado's in 
Pleasanton?   

My 2nd great grandmother, Ana Furtado Jorge do Souto of Salao,  Faial, 
Azores, born 10 Jun 1864 married Jose de Rocha Borba in Half Moon  Bay, CA in 
1884.  They resided in San Jose, CA until her death in 1937.  
 

 
I've  recently traced this line back to 1687 to Ana Furtado Inacia and her  
husband Manuel Pereira Prede.  I would be happy to check my records to  see 
if there maybe a connection to our  Furtado's.
 

 
Robin Borba  Besotes 
Researching:   Borba, Bettencourt, Matos, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Jorge,  Souto 
Islands:   Terceira, Sao Jorge, Pico, Faial, Flores 
California  Towns:   Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, Milpitas, Tres Pinos, 
Hollister,  Watsonville, Half Moon Bay 
 (http://www.facebook.com/RobinBesotes) 
 

On  Monday, October 1, 2012 6:44:11 PM UTC-7, Ally  wrote:

 
 
Leanne  ~
 

 
Thank  you for researching her on Ancestry.   That was very kind of you  to 
do the research.
 

 
I  have a picture of my Father with this person.  I wrote Saint  Augustine 
Catholic Church in Pleasanton and asked them if they would  please give me 
the name of his God Mother so that both the Pleasanton  Museum and I could 
identify her in the  picture.
 

 
They  were kind enough to do that and now I have a name for the woman in 
the  picture.  I was hoping that someone in the group was a Furtado whose  
Ancestor lived in Pleasanton, during the early 1900's.   
 

 
Anyway,  thank you again, for your time and assistance.  I will add the 
info  that you shared with the picture.
 

 

 

 
Ally
Vieira  Anselmo ~ Sao Miguel
Pinheiro & Nunes ~  Faial


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism

[Marcio Borba]

Great :)
How many children do you have for Antonio de Fonte Falcao and Isabel Cabral?I 
have Maria Jacome Cabral (my line), Manuel Jacome, and Antonio de Fonte Falcao 
(your line) married Margarida de Andrade



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De: Tish M 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism
Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
Data: Sexta-feira, 2 de Novembro de 2012, 2:03

Hi Marcio,It looks like we are related. We have to go back to Antonio de Fonte 
Falcão and Isabel Cabral! Your Maria and my Antonio were brother and sister.

Tish

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Marcio Borba  
wrote:


To me seems: Antonio, son of Antonio de Melo, son of Manuel da Costa Borges and 
of his wife Joana de Melo, and of Maria da Rosa, daughter of Cristovao? Vaz de 
Melo and of his wife Catarina de Moura.


Tish! I have a question.Do you know if St. Espirito records on this period 
mentioned grandparents or was this one an exception?I have a gggrandfather from 
St. Espirito whose ancestors been traced. But I am stuck on the begining of the 
1700's, since records for this parish are lost.

I'm attaching his line.

Marcio Borba 
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De: Tish M 
Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism
Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 


Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 19:12

Hi,If possible I would like more eyes looking at this Baptism.



What I have... with some imagination.
Antonio, son of Antonio de Mello, son of Manoel da ? Borges and Joa? de Melo or 
Velho, and Maria da Rosa, daughter of (? Cristabol) Vas da Melo or Velho, and 
Catherina de Moura.



Born on Oct. 26, 1728.This a record from Santo Espirito, Santa Maria.





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio de Moura Borges Baptism

[Marcio Borba]

Came out perfect now. Thank you

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Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
Data: Sexta-feira, 2 de Novembro de 2012, 2:44

Did you get the record now?I don't know what the problem was with the email. It 
might have been too big?



On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Marcio Borba  
wrote:


To me seems: Antonio, son of Antonio de Melo, son of Manuel da Costa Borges and 
of his wife Joana de Melo, and of Maria da Rosa, daughter of Cristovao? Vaz de 
Melo and of his wife Catarina de Moura.


Tish! I have a question.Do you know if St. Espirito records on this period 
mentioned grandparents or was this one an exception?I have a gggrandfather from 
St. Espirito whose ancestors been traced. But I am stuck on the begining of the 
1700's, since records for this parish are lost.

I'm attaching his line.

Marcio Borba 
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Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 


Data: Quinta-feira, 1 de Novembro de 2012, 19:12

Hi,If possible I would like more eyes looking at this Baptism.



What I have... with some imagination.
Antonio, son of Antonio de Mello, son of Manoel da ? Borges and Joa? de Melo or 
Velho, and Maria da Rosa, daughter of (? Cristabol) Vas da Melo or Velho, and 
Catherina de Moura.



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Furtado in Pleasanton, CA

[eric edgar]

Ally,

St Augustine's is where all my children are baptized, communion etc. On
their records there is nothing more than a first and last name of the
godparents. I don't think it's likely that the records from 100 years ago
are any different.

The records for the Diocese of Oakland are kept at St Patricks Seminary in
Menlo Park. You can make appointments to research there. It could be a lot
of effort to find the same thing you already know.

I'd try a different approach. Godparents are usually the  parents family
members or close family friends. Look at all the parents siblings,
grandparents etc

The most important information for this search is missing. You never stated
you father's name, or his parents names, where they came from or when they
arrived in the US.

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:19 PM,  wrote:

> **
> Eric,
>
> Funny you should mention that.  The information came from my Father.
>
> Do you recall the old adobe home on Foothill Road?  We drove by it all the
> time when I was a child, and my Father always said that it was the *
> "Alamo".*  I got into an argument with my 4th grade teacher, I thought he
> was the stupidest person alive, to think that the Alamo was fought in
> Texas!  My Father had a *unique* since of humor.
>
> As soon as the church answers my letter, maybe we will know more.  And
> that will depend on if it was her husband who was his God Father.
>
> Ally
>
>
>
>  In a message dated 11/1/2012 1:46:02 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,
> noblankt...@gmail.com writes:
>
> I'll add that it is possible that  Maria Furtado did not live in
> Pleasanton. It's not a requirement for a godparent. Do you have any other
> records or stories that tie her to Pleasanton. None of my childrens
> godparents live in the county.
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 11:09 PM, Robin Borba Besotes  > wrote:
>
>> Ally,
>>
>> Keep me posted if you find any information from the church.  My 2nd great
>> grandmother, Ana Furtado Jorge do Souto, was married in San Mateo County
>> and other than that information I have no other connections to her
>> Furtado's.  It wasn't until I met a cousin online who lives Texas who
>> happened to additional information from her grandmother about our mutual
>> 2nd great grandmother and provided me with her full last name of Furtado
>> Jorge do Souto.  Once I had this, everything fell into place.
>>
>> As I mentioned in my earlier post I've traced this line as far back as I
>> can in the village of Salao, Faial, Azores.  The only place I currently
>> have a stumbling block is from the Azores her to the USA to the time she
>> married.
>>
>> Good luck on your search,
>>
>> Robin Borba Besotes
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 11:41:43 AM UTC-7, Ally wrote:
>>
>>>  Robin ~
>>>
>>> Sorry to answer you so late.  We had carpet laid and I had to empty two
>>> rooms of pure junk collection!  I'm having a field day tossing, sorting,
>>> and donating.and then I found this picture.
>>>
>>> The only info that I have, is her name is Maria Furtado, and she was my
>>> Father's Godmother.  So, that would be her married name.  The picture is
>>> WWII era, maybe 1942.  She would be at least 30 years older than my
>>> Father.  By looking at the picture she is in her 60's or 70's.
>>>
>>> My Father was born in 1912, in Pleasanton.  So I'm guessing that his
>>> christening was soon after his birth.
>>>
>>> I'm not finding anything of her in Pleasanton.   There is a Mary, but
>>> she would be way too young to fit this picture.
>>>
>>> The Furtado family that I'm trying to locate, would have lived in
>>> Pleasanton between 1900 and 1960.  So far no luck.  But I have written the
>>> Catholic Church in Pleasanton and hoping they will give me his name.
>>>
>>> I'll let you know what I find.
>>>
>>> Ally
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with on obit please - Victorina Rosa

[Diane]

Hi Margaret
 
What does the notation mean then? does it mean that this Victorina died in 
1871??? Please excuse my ignorance, still learning. 
 
 thanks for the link - yes I already had that one.
 
Diane
 

On Friday, 2 November 2012 11:25:25 UTC+10:30, Mara wrote:

> No, that's not it Diane. 
>
> 1a. certidao em 16 de Outubro 1871.   Translated - First certificate on 
> 16-Oct-1871
>
> I also found this, don't if you already have manuel's birth record, child 
> of Christiano and Victorina.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P88.html
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Diane 
> > wrote:
>
>> I think I have just made the link that confirms that she is the same 
>> person. there is a notation in the margin of her son's baptism record and 
>> appears to be the recording of her death. Being new to this research I  had 
>> not taken much notice of it before. It appears to be 16 Sept ?? which is 
>> the same date as the obit of Victorina Constancia. Can anyone please 
>> confirm the date on this notation.
>>  
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855/SJR-VL-URZELINA-B-1841-1855_item1/P65.html
>>  
>> I also looked up the meaning of Constancia and found it means steadfast.
>>  
>> thank  you
>> Diane
>>
>> On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:58:39 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry this may have beem misleading. I meant that she was "Victorina 
>>> Rosa" on her marriage and the baptism of her sons.
>>>  
>>> Diane
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Friday, 2 November 2012 07:56:54 UTC+10:30, Diane wrote:
>>>
 Thank you to Cheri, Marcio and Mara for your replies. I do have most 
 of those other records and the only thing that didn't fit was 
 "Constancia". 
 She is "Rosa" on her marriage and the baptism of her sons in 1850 and 
 1853. 
 On her baptism and Christiano's second marriage record, she is just 
 Victorina. The age at death on this obit is correct for my Victorina too - 
 28. I don't see those names appearing together anywhere else. 
  
 Does the name Constancia have any significant meaning? It may have 
 meant something to the family after she died??
  
 Victorina may have had grandchildren born in the Azores to her second 
 son. I haven't found them yet.  My line were all born in Sydney and those 
 records do not show grandparents. When her son Joaquim married in Sydney 
 in 
 1884 (after living together for years) his parents are stated as Victoria 
 Rosa and Christian Mitchell (Mitchell was Joaquim's new assumed surname 
 name in Australia). I knew that his mother died when he was a child and 
 that he had a stepmother and we still have the letters she wrote to him 
 from Urzelina - signed off as Perpetua Rosa (she was Victorina's sister 
 and 
 their mother was Victorina de Jesus from Urzelina).
  
 It all seems very sad, but I too think I have the right one because 
 there is no other Victorina obit in that time period that I can see. 
  
 On further question: Was it common for couples to live together outside 
 of marriage in those villages? This family of mine were very devout 
 Catholics and if this is the right Victorina, it means that Christiano was 
 single with 2 very young children for about 10 years before he remarried. 
  
 Thanks again. 
 Diane Donnon
 South Autralia
  
  

 On Friday, 2 November 2012 03:12:29 UTC+10:30, Cheri Mello wrote:

> Diane D,
>
> It's probably her.  Do you find any other Victorina (Rosa or 
> Constancia) having babies with another Cristiano Machado (or Machado 
> Pereira)?  If you don't find another Cristiano/Vitorina couple, then 
> that's 
> your Vitorina's obit.  You can also look for Cristiano's 2nd marriage and 
> see what they call Vitorina (he'll be a widower of Vitorina ___).  You 
> have 
> her on all the kids' baptisms as Vitorina Constancia?  What about all of 
> her biological grandkids?  How do they list her at their baptism?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
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