[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: PACHECO in New England, 1900-1920

2013-11-02 Thread Mike
Hi Betty,
there is a Joao J. Pacheco buried in a family plot for my GGrandparents and 
son in what was called St. John the Baptist cemetery.  This Joao J. Pacheco 
died and was buried in November 1918 in S. Dartmouth, Ma, the information 
has him listed at 90yrs of age. He is no relation to my family or to Doug 
da Rocha Holmes who has a relative buried in plot #1 of this 6 plot site.
Maybe someone will recognize his name.

Mike

On Friday, November 1, 2013 9:34:29 AM UTC-4, Betty wrote:

 Hello,
  
 This week I happened to mention the PACHECO name on the Maine (US) List,  
 and someone responded.   The researcher said she had an old picture of a 
 ... Private Manny PACHECO .. from 1917.   At the time he was at a military 
 field on Long Island, NY. She had no other information on the 
 soldier, and she wondered whether he could have been related to my 
 husband's paternal grandfather. I dug out an old picture of my 
 husband's father and uncle when they were first married,  and I see 
 somewhat of a resemblance.
  
 As I've mentioned many times before,  my husband grew up with his 
 grandmother (Mrs. Pacheco) telling all her grandchildren many things about 
 her late husband.   And, I've discovered most of them were not true.So, 
 after researching and posting queries,  I don't believe I ever found out 
 .exactly.  when Antonio PACHECO arrived in MA (US).   He arrived ~1905 as a 
 20-yr-old from Sao Miguel(From just outside of Ponta Delgada)   So, I 
 don't know who he traveled with, and I don't know who he came to stay 
 with.   (There were too many Antonio's arriving around that time.)
  
 Several yrs. ago I heard from another researcher that one of the other 
 PACHECO families in Cambridge, MA, were related to Tony as they came from 
 the same village   (Sao Roque).Grandma always tolder her 
 grandchildren her late husband had no relatives in New England. But, I 
 believe he did have relatives here, maybe not with the same last name.
  
 I checked census records earlier this morning and there were at least a 
 dozen Manuel Pacheco's in New England in that 1900-1920 timeframe.And, 
 several were men in their 20's. The problem with the soldier in 1917 is 
 that he probably fought in WW I.And, it would take some research to 
 find out if he survived the War.So, he might not have been in the 1920 
 census.
  
 That's all I'll say for now.  Have a pleasant weekend !
  
 Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA)
  
  
 P.S.   Tony and Elsie had 5 surviving children,  and their oldest 
 daughter passed last month.Their other daughter is in a nursing home, 
 and only their youngest son is still doing OK.(Tony is the one who 
 was killed in a car accident in 1928, and their were 4 other, Portuguese 
 men from Cambridge in the car with him.   I don't know how many survived 
 that.)(Think about a 1920-era car in MA/US.)
  
  
  
  
  


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation - Flamengos, Faial

2013-11-02 Thread Pam Santos
15 Aug 1804 and I think he was 18 days old


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 This is the obitos of Antonio son of Jose Garcia Duarte and Bernarda
 Francisca


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801_item1/P107.html

 I read the date as August 15, 1803? but cannot read his age at death.

 His record is item #107 on the CCA site; but 2 pages later on 108 it is
 the year 1785 which is written in large numbers in two different
 placesI'm confused...unless I'm reading the date of death incorrectly.

 Any help greatly appreciated.

 Lee Estep, WV

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation - Flamengos, Faial

2013-11-02 Thread Pam Santos
oops 1784


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 15 Aug 1804 and I think he was 18 days old


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 This is the obitos of Antonio son of Jose Garcia Duarte and Bernarda
 Francisca


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801_item1/P107.html

 I read the date as August 15, 1803? but cannot read his age at death.

 His record is item #107 on the CCA site; but 2 pages later on 108 it is
 the year 1785 which is written in large numbers in two different
 placesI'm confused...unless I'm reading the date of death incorrectly.

 Any help greatly appreciated.

 Lee Estep, WV

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation - Flamengos, Faial

2013-11-02 Thread Pam Santos
Sorry the date is not 1804 it says 15 Aug 1784


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 oops 1784


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 15 Aug 1804 and I think he was 18 days old


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 This is the obitos of Antonio son of Jose Garcia Duarte and Bernarda
 Francisca


 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801_item1/P107.html

 I read the date as August 15, 1803? but cannot read his age at death.

 His record is item #107 on the CCA site; but 2 pages later on 108 it is
 the year 1785 which is written in large numbers in two different
 placesI'm confused...unless I'm reading the date of death incorrectly.

 Any help greatly appreciated.

 Lee Estep, WV

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation - Flamengos, Faial

2013-11-02 Thread Lee
Thank you, Pam!  I was getting confused because I was seeing the tres at 
the end of the line in the year, which was throwing me off base.  So they 
were married earlier than I thought

On Saturday, November 2, 2013 2:07:48 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:

 Sorry the date is not 1804 it says 15 Aug 1784


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Pam Santos pamsa...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 oops 1784


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Pam Santos pamsa...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 15 Aug 1804 and I think he was 18 days old 


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.netjavascript:
  wrote:

 This is the obitos of Antonio son of Jose Garcia Duarte and Bernarda 
 Francisca
  

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801_item1/P107.html
  
 I read the date as August 15, 1803? but cannot read his age at death.
  
 His record is item #107 on the CCA site; but 2 pages later on 108 it is 
 the year 1785 which is written in large numbers in two different 
 placesI'm confused...unless I'm reading the date of death incorrectly.
  
 Any help greatly appreciated.
  
 Lee Estep, WV

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with translation - Flamengos, Faial

2013-11-02 Thread Pam Santos
Your welcome


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 Thank you, Pam!  I was getting confused because I was seeing the tres at
 the end of the line in the year, which was throwing me off base.  So they
 were married earlier than I thought

 On Saturday, November 2, 2013 2:07:48 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:

 Sorry the date is not 1804 it says 15 Aug 1784


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Pam Santos pamsa...@gmail.com wrote:

 oops 1784


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Pam Santos pamsa...@gmail.com wrote:

 15 Aug 1804 and I think he was 18 days old


 On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Lee shor...@suddenlink.net wrote:

 This is the obitos of Antonio son of Jose Garcia Duarte and Bernarda
 Francisca

 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-
 HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801/FAL-HT-FLAMENGOS-O-1759-1801_item1/P107.html

 I read the date as August 15, 1803? but cannot read his age at death.

 His record is item #107 on the CCA site; but 2 pages later on 108 it
 is the year 1785 which is written in large numbers in two different
 placesI'm confused...unless I'm reading the date of death incorrectly.

 Any help greatly appreciated.

 Lee Estep, WV

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[AZORES-Genealogy] PACHECO in New England, 1900-1920

2013-11-02 Thread Dano
Betty, if you have access to Ancestry.com, you may be able to find your 
husband's GF, in the WWI registration files. You could also try Family Search 
.org, but I'm sure how complete their WWI Reg list is.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results

2013-11-02 Thread Cheri Mello
The 4 Western European populations in the database are Basque, French,
Spanish, and Orkney Islands. So Portuguese are fit into one of those 4.
Until they get a wider population sample, you can kind of think of it as a
cocktail party conversation piece. Cheri
On Nov 2, 2013 11:01 AM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 So finally the results came in for ex husbands grandmother. She is showing
 85.84% Basque, Spanish. Is that the norm for people from Azores?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree Dna results

2013-11-02 Thread Pam Santos
Nevermind I found an old post with an answer. Kind of weird that my Spanish
people on their Ydna show up Portuguese and that the Portuguese was showing
up Spanish HA!!! I guess will have to wait for the new Population finder to
come out.


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:

 So finally the results came in for ex husbands grandmother. She is showing
 85.84% Basque, Spanish. Is that the norm for people from Azores?


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results

2013-11-02 Thread pico
Yea, that's a little strange. Why isn't German there? Why not Slav? I think they lump them in with Orkney and maybe because of the high concentration of Viking blood in the DNA of the Orkney population.I think it will be refined eventually.My wife's Population Finder results with her 100% Slovak ancestry came up as 90% Orkney.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Date: Sat, November 02, 2013 12:17 pm
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The 4 Western European populations in the database are Basque, French, Spanish, and Orkney Islands. So Portuguese are "fit" into one of those 4. Until they get a wider population sample, you can kind of think of it as a cocktail party conversation piece. Cheri  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results

2013-11-02 Thread Cheri Mello
Those were the samples that were in population sample at the time they
started running the ethnicities. And that was 3 or more years ago. A lot
has changed since then. Ancestry DNA and 23 and Me have both just recently
rolled out new ethnicities, so I suspect FTDNA will have an announcement
about their new rollout next weekend at their DNA conference. Cheri
On Nov 2, 2013 12:57 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 Yea, that's a little strange.
 Why isn't German there? Why not Slav? I think they lump them in with
 Orkney and maybe because of the high concentration of Viking blood in the
 DNA of the Orkney population.

 I think it will be refined eventually.

 My wife's Population Finder results with her 100% Slovak ancestry came up
 as 90% Orkney.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


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 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results
 From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, November 02, 2013 12:17 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 The 4 Western European populations in the database are Basque, French,
 Spanish, and Orkney Islands. So Portuguese are fit into one of those 4.
 Until they get a wider population sample, you can kind of think of it as a
 cocktail party conversation piece. Cheri

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results

2013-11-02 Thread pico
My father's came up as 93% Spanish.Mine is 97% French.Since my mother is 50% German, about 25% Hungarian and 25% Slovak, I suppose when mixed with my father's Spanish, that equals French. Interesting math: Spanish + German/Hungarian/Slovak = French.What it might be saying is that the Germans are lumped in with French.And I suppose an English or Irish person would also be listed as Orkney. Anyone know?It would also seem that my Population Finder percentages should be more like 40% Spanish, 25% French (if the Germans are lumped with French), and maybe 23% Orkney (if Slovaks and Hungarians are lumped with Orkney), to equal my 97% Western European. And that designation alone is also in question, now that my wife's test is back - Slovakia and Hungary are not in Western Europe. They are in central. If someone from Moscow tested, would they be Eastern European? I don't believe they have Central European so they are lumped with western. But maybe should be lumped with eastern, since we're talking about Slavs.I'll have to look for a waiter to get another drink at this cocktail party.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico  Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Date: Sat, November 02, 2013 12:57 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.comMy wife's Population Finder results with her 100% Slovak ancestry came up as 90% Orkney.    Original Message  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Sat, November 02, 2013 12:17 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com  The 4 Western European populations in the database are Basque, French, Spanish, and Orkney Islands. So Portuguese are "fit" into one of those 4. Until they get a wider population sample, you can kind of think of it as a cocktail party conversation piece. Cheri 





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results

2013-11-02 Thread Pam Santos
Yes on my Dad's irish side a relative tested 100% Orkny, His national
Geographcis did too, he said something like only 1% of population is what
he has (not sure if that pertains to the Orkney or not)


On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 1:42 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 My father's came up as 93% Spanish.
 Mine is 97% French.

 Since my mother is 50% German, about 25% Hungarian and 25% Slovak, I
 suppose when mixed with my father's Spanish, that equals French.
 Interesting math: Spanish + German/Hungarian/Slovak = French.

 What it might be saying is that the Germans are lumped in with French.
 And I suppose an English or Irish person would also be listed as Orkney.
 Anyone know?

 It would also seem that my Population Finder percentages should be more
 like 40% Spanish, 25% French (if the Germans are lumped with French), and
 maybe 23% Orkney (if Slovaks and Hungarians are lumped with Orkney), to
 equal my 97% Western European. And that designation alone is also in
 question, now that my wife's test is back - Slovakia and Hungary are not in
 Western Europe. They are in central. If someone from Moscow tested, would
 they be Eastern European? I don't believe they have Central European so
 they are lumped with western. But maybe should be lumped with eastern,
 since we're talking about Slavs.

 I'll have to look for a waiter to get another drink at this cocktail party.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
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   Original Message 
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results
 From: p...@dholmes.com
 Date: Sat, November 02, 2013 12:57 pm
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 My wife's Population Finder results with her 100% Slovak ancestry came up
 as 90% Orkney.


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results
 From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, November 02, 2013 12:17 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 The 4 Western European populations in the database are Basque, French,
 Spanish, and Orkney Islands. So Portuguese are fit into one of those 4.
 Until they get a wider population sample, you can kind of think of it as a
 cocktail party conversation piece. Cheri

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results

2013-11-02 Thread Cheri Mello
Doug, I'm unable to have access to my admin page. But if you log in and go
to Family Finder and look for the FAQs, you will see What reference
populations are used? It's about question 3 or 4. Cheri
On Nov 2, 2013 1:43 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote:

 My father's came up as 93% Spanish.
 Mine is 97% French.

 Since my mother is 50% German, about 25% Hungarian and 25% Slovak, I
 suppose when mixed with my father's Spanish, that equals French.
 Interesting math: Spanish + German/Hungarian/Slovak = French.

 What it might be saying is that the Germans are lumped in with French.
 And I suppose an English or Irish person would also be listed as Orkney.
 Anyone know?

 It would also seem that my Population Finder percentages should be more
 like 40% Spanish, 25% French (if the Germans are lumped with French), and
 maybe 23% Orkney (if Slovaks and Hungarians are lumped with Orkney), to
 equal my 97% Western European. And that designation alone is also in
 question, now that my wife's test is back - Slovakia and Hungary are not in
 Western Europe. They are in central. If someone from Moscow tested, would
 they be Eastern European? I don't believe they have Central European so
 they are lumped with western. But maybe should be lumped with eastern,
 since we're talking about Slavs.

 I'll have to look for a waiter to get another drink at this cocktail party.

 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico  Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com


   Original Message 
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results
 From: p...@dholmes.com
 Date: Sat, November 02, 2013 12:57 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 My wife's Population Finder results with her 100% Slovak ancestry came up
 as 90% Orkney.


   Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Dna results
 From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
 Date: Sat, November 02, 2013 12:17 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com

 The 4 Western European populations in the database are Basque, French,
 Spanish, and Orkney Islands. So Portuguese are fit into one of those 4.
 Until they get a wider population sample, you can kind of think of it as a
 cocktail party conversation piece. Cheri

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