Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

[Pam Santos]

Yes give us brides name. Is this him?

Manuel Rocha 

Massachusetts, Marriages, 1841-1915
birth:1885, , Azores Islandsmarriage:24 Oct 1910;1910 Oct 24Fall River, ,
Massachusettsfather:Manuel Rochamother:Maria Jesusspouse:Maria Da L. Adrian
other:Jacintho Da L. Adrian, Maria B Conceicao


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:48 PM, rcapodc  wrote:

>   Ricardo,
>
> As Cheri says try Family Search then Ancestry. If you have a Family
> History Center near you, you can go there and do your Ancestry.com lookups
> for free!
>
> Rosemarie
>
>  *From:* Ricardo Chaves 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 6:08 PM
> *To:* Azores Geneolagy 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records
>
>  Hi All,
>
> in your opinion, what is the most affordable online record archive in the
> United States? I need to make several Marriage and Death inquiries and just
> checked www.archives.com that looks nice and clean and has a one year
> subscription for 30$.
>
> I am looking for a Manuel Rocha that according to his birth record was
> married in Fall River in 1910. Looks like he his a brother of my G G
> Grandfather.
>
> What are your suggestions? I know there are probably hundreds of sites
> offering these services, like ancestry.com, family-search and so on, I
> wonder if there are some free governmental services, similar to CCA?
>
> cheers
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Pam Santos]

Either way if they go to Ribeira Grande or Vila, I have research in both
places, since the film reader here is not able to view the films. So I will
be happy either way. I mostly need baptism for Vila Franca do Campo and in
Ribeira Grande Marriages and Baptisms I need. Two lines I have not worked
on one in Ponta Garca and the other in Maia.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:49 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> That is even better then one less.
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Pam,
>>
>> I'm not sure if they would upload Ribeira Seca that is in Vila Franca.
>> They were formed in June, 2002.  They broke off from Sao Miguel Arcanjo. It
>> seems that they upload records before 1910 or so.
>>
>> There's a Ribeira Seca in Ribeira Grande.  It has been there a long time.
>>
>> Wish they didn't allow 2 freguesias of the same name on the same island!
>>
>> And if they decide that Sao Miguel Arcanjo should be called Matriz, then
>> it's:
>>
>>- Água de Alto
>>- Matriz (Sao Miguel Arcanjo)
>>- Ponta Garça
>>- Ribeira das Tainhas
>>- São Pedro
>>
>> So we will wait and see :)
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Pam Santos]

That is even better then one less.


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Pam,
>
> I'm not sure if they would upload Ribeira Seca that is in Vila Franca.
> They were formed in June, 2002.  They broke off from Sao Miguel Arcanjo. It
> seems that they upload records before 1910 or so.
>
> There's a Ribeira Seca in Ribeira Grande.  It has been there a long time.
>
> Wish they didn't allow 2 freguesias of the same name on the same island!
>
> And if they decide that Sao Miguel Arcanjo should be called Matriz, then
> it's:
>
>- Água de Alto
>- Matriz (Sao Miguel Arcanjo)
>- Ponta Garça
>- Ribeira das Tainhas
>- São Pedro
>
> So we will wait and see :)
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

[rcapodc]

Ricardo,

As Cheri says try Family Search then Ancestry. If you have a Family History 
Center near you, you can go there and do your Ancestry.com lookups for free! 

Rosemarie 

From: Ricardo Chaves 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 6:08 PM
To: Azores Geneolagy 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

Hi All,  

in your opinion, what is the most affordable online record archive in the 
United States? I need to make several Marriage and Death inquiries and just 
checked www.archives.com that looks nice and clean and has a one year 
subscription for 30$.

I am looking for a Manuel Rocha that according to his birth record was married 
in Fall River in 1910. Looks like he his a brother of my G G Grandfather.

What are your suggestions? I know there are probably hundreds of sites offering 
these services, like ancestry.com, family-search and so on, I wonder if there 
are some free governmental services, similar to CCA?

cheers


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

[Sam Koester]

Richardo,  There are many Manuel Rochas married in Fall River in 1910.  Can you 
give us more information to go on.  Also, how can a birth record tell 
when/where someone was married?  Sam in Maz


>
> From: Ricardo Chaves 
>To: Azores Geneolagy  
>Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:08 PM
>Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records
> 
>
>
>Hi All, 
>
>
>in your opinion, what is the most affordable online record archive in the 
>United States? I need to make several Marriage and Death inquiries and just 
>checked www.archives.com that looks nice and clean and has a one year 
>subscription for 30$.
>
>
>I am looking for a Manuel Rocha that according to his birth record was married 
>in Fall River in 1910. Looks like he his a brother of my G G Grandfather.
>
>
>What are your suggestions? I know there are probably hundreds of sites 
>offering these services, like ancestry.com, family-search and so on, I wonder 
>if there are some free governmental services, similar to CCA?
>
>
>cheers
>
>
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>Ricardo Chaves
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Try this site for Massachusetts Marriages
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/SearchWelcome.html  it is free. The
us census records are on the internet as well and are free at
https://archive.org/details/us_census I think the census is also on Family
Search https://familysearch.org/   I have used Ancestry search to get an
idea as to what records to search only but have never joined.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Ricardo Chaves
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:09 PM
To: Azores Geneolagy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

 

Hi All, 

 

in your opinion, what is the most affordable online record archive in the
United States? I need to make several Marriage and Death inquiries and just
checked www.archives.com that looks nice and clean and has a one year
subscription for 30$.

 

I am looking for a Manuel Rocha that according to his birth record was
married in Fall River in 1910. Looks like he his a brother of my G G
Grandfather.

 

What are your suggestions? I know there are probably hundreds of sites
offering these services, like ancestry.com, family-search and so on, I
wonder if there are some free governmental services, similar to CCA?

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Ricardo C,

I'd use Family Search first because they are free.

The American CCA is the National Archives and Records Administration
(NARA).  In order to get digitized, they partnered with different entities,
such as Ancestry.  So not all NARA records are free.

What I'd do, is find what I can on Family Search.  Then I'd search Ancestry
(a lot of the searches are free, but you can't see much).  If there aren't
too many look ups for Ancestry, just make a list and post them here.  Many
of us have an Ancestry subscription and can do a look up for you.  Yes,
some of us are mutts on this list :)

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of "morgano"

[Dano]

I'm not sure there's a word "morgano,"  in Portuguese, but, "morgado" is the 
first born or eldest son; it also refers to the heir of an estate - or the 
estate itself.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] USA Online Records

[Ricardo Chaves]

Hi All,

in your opinion, what is the most affordable online record archive in the
United States? I need to make several Marriage and Death inquiries and just
checked www.archives.com that looks nice and clean and has a one year
subscription for 30$.

I am looking for a Manuel Rocha that according to his birth record was
married in Fall River in 1910. Looks like he his a brother of my G G
Grandfather.

What are your suggestions? I know there are probably hundreds of sites
offering these services, like ancestry.com, family-search and so on, I
wonder if there are some free governmental services, similar to CCA?

cheers

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Cheri Mello]

Pam,

I'm not sure if they would upload Ribeira Seca that is in Vila Franca.
They were formed in June, 2002.  They broke off from Sao Miguel Arcanjo. It
seems that they upload records before 1910 or so.

There's a Ribeira Seca in Ribeira Grande.  It has been there a long time.

Wish they didn't allow 2 freguesias of the same name on the same island!

And if they decide that Sao Miguel Arcanjo should be called Matriz, then
it's:

   - Água de Alto
   - Matriz (Sao Miguel Arcanjo)
   - Ponta Garça
   - Ribeira das Tainhas
   - São Pedro

So we will wait and see :)
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where else to look for Moniz Machado ancestors

[Margaret Vicente]

Hi Maria,

Found the record you're looking for in S. Jose, Ponta Delgada.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1860-1869/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1860-1869_item1/P185.html

Also, Emilia, age 37 arrived in Boston July 7 1886 with her children:
Domingos, 12 Maria, 9 and Manuel 5.

Margaret


On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 11:22 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Hi John and Margaret-
>
> Thank you for helping me try to find the elusive Domingo's Moniz Machado
> Birth info.  Although I have basic information for him, I can't go back any
> further than his parents because I don't know which freguesias in ponta
> Delgada they were from and up to now i haven't found them.
>
> John, I will study the link you sent again in more in depth because the
> dates are off but the Names are similar.
>
> I received Domingos' birthdate from his daughter who was my mother in law.
>   From census records, it appears both Domingo's and his brother Clement,
> immigrated in different years.  Domingo's immigrated in 1885 at age 11.
>  Their parents were Jacinto Machado and Emilia Moniz.  I will look  Again
> through the Sao Jose baptisms in search of any one with those parents.
>  They also had a sister named Maria.  (She married a Peter F Silva in
> Boston and had a daughter named Beatrice (Pimentel) born in 1900. )
>
> Margaret, I knew Domingo's had traveled to the Azores and visited his
> brother in law, Manoel Almeida.  Domingo's' wife was  Maria Georgina
> d'Almeida and they married in Boston.  When he traveled to see that
> relative he was already a dentist and she was expecting a baby and didn't
> travel with him.  He sent her a stash of postcards sometimes sending 2 or 3
> a day.  He mentions seeing a relative named Captain Mello.  I also have
> Maria Georgina's mother's passport which shows Maria Georgina's parents
> were from  the Sao Jose parish of Ponta Delgada.
>
> To me there is some mystery that I may never solve with Domingo's because
> my mother in law always told us he was raised by the Jesuits.  Apparently,
> he had a "guardian angel" who helped him get an education.   He was able to
> get into Tufts University and become a dentist.  I have his graduation
> picture and certificate.   He was married during the time  he was in dental
> school.
>
> But I just could not find his birthplace in order to  trace the family.  I
> also tried learning which Jesuits in the Boston area would have raised him.
>
>
> Thank you  so much for helping me-
>
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, JR  wrote:
>
> Are you sure about the birth date for Domingos? And where did you get the
> birthdate information? I ask because I found this, which looks like your
> ancestors.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889_item1/P191.html
>
> JR (John Roias)
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2014 12:43:28 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>>
>> I have an ancestor who is a mystery in that I've searched all Sao Miguel
>> records and can't find him in the his birth year.  His name was  Domingo's
>> Moniz Machado; nor his brother "Clem".  Must be Clemente (?) Moniz Machado.
>>
>> Their parents were Jacinto Machado and mother was Emilia Moniz Machado.
>>
>> Thanks to this group for posting the link for the Portuguese newspapers
>> housed at the Dartmouth library.   I stumbled on their sister, Maria M
>> "Marshall" sister of Clemente Machado.  I knew they had a sister but had no
>> idea how to find her until I could find the parents. It was exciting to
>> actually find her.
>>
>> For years I've been searching for the 2 brothers to take the line back.
>>  I think this is a dead end but I'm not giving up.  Every time a new parish
>> was posted on the CCA, I thought Aha!  This is going to be the one. But
>> sadly it was not.  Now I'm going to go through each parish again to the
>> years before and after their supposed birth years.
>>
>> Are there any other records from Sao Miguel that are not on the CCA?  Any
>> ideas where I might find where in Sao Miguel they were from?  All his
>> document  just say Sao Miguel.  Domingo's birthdate is 8 February 1874;
>>  Clemente born 9 Feb 1869 and I only have the death date of the sister,
>> Maria M Marshall  who died 8 August 1954.  All three died in Boston.
>>
>> Any ideas?  Thanks.
>>
>> Maria Elena
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Pam Santos]

Yes if they do the rest of Vila Franca do Campo it will be quick


   - Água de Alto 
   - Ponta Garça 
   - Ribeira das Tainhas 
   - Ribeira 
Seca
   - São 
Miguel
   - São 
Pedro



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:38 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Rick P,
>
> Pam Santos had a letter dated from about February of 2013 that said
> Ribeira Grande and then Vila Franca.  The link you provided from Sept leads
> us to believe that they are skipping over Ribeira Grande.  I think there's
> less to upload in Vila Franca if they stay with the "uploading by council"
> method.  Maybe it's "uploading by freguesia" method.  Guess we play wait
> and see.  And who knows, half way through this they could have a change in
> directors and switch methods again.  Guess they like to keep us on our
> toes! :)
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] RE: help translation, flamengos, fayal

[nancy jean baptiste]

Manoel, Rosemarie, Altino and Lee,
 
Thank you for the information you've shared. I find this record interesting 
because it's unusual. I found another record for this same coupleanother 
baptism, 1744-1763, page 0024, third record down on the left...Maria,...again, 
right after the fathers name, Jose Pereira (I believe that's correct) it has 
the word "moreno".not capitalized as a name would be and just like the same 
word on page 0014.obviously the priest thought it should be noted that he 
was "moreno". Maybe, Altino is right and the priest is saying the father is 
black or dark.any other possibilities, no capital, I doubt it's a name.
 
Enjoying the mysteries revealed through research!
 
Thanks for input,
Nancy Jean
 
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:18:31 -0600




I'm needle in a haystack searching Flamengos, Faial so reading each 
recordcould someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down 
right side of page 0014Joam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what 
appears to be the word morano/marono? Is that correct?
 
Any help appreciated,
Nancy Jean

  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of "morgano"

[Cheri Mello]

RBH,

It would be best if you posted the link to where you saw this.  And tell us
if it's on the upper right, lower left or whichever record it may be.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of "morgano"

[Ricardo Chaves]

Morganho is a "nickname" for a Small Rat, I wonder if it is MORGADO? A very
common name in Azores. Morgano could be a missspelled Morgado

cheers


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

[Altino Demelo]

Moreno could also refer to skin colour. My mother has a darker olive skin 
complexion and refers to herself as Moreno. It's possible that the name became 
used as an alcuna.

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> Nancy,  there is nit document to refer to.I am researching Flamengos as 
> well.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation of "morgano"

[Cheri Mello]

Repost for "RBH" rbhelm4 at att.net:

Does anyone know what “Morgano” means in Portuguese?

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] ROCHA - Santo Antonio Alem Capelas

[Evee Kiler]

I have found in my translation attempts that it is very helpful to look at
the records before and after the one I am interested in because sometimes in
other records the vicar wasn't in such a hurry or the ink is darker or
whatever might have made the letters easier to read and compare to my
ancestor's record.  And, yes, like Cheri said.the words aren't always
spelled the same...but "close enough", I guess. 

 

Evee

 

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ROCHA - Santo Antonio Alem Capelas

 

Ricardo C said:
<<... I have found in the same book, same year, different vicars spelling
same words in two or more different ways. As Doug said I believe they didn't
all follow same rules!>>

Or too much vinho! :)


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Cheri Mello]

Rick P,

Pam Santos had a letter dated from about February of 2013 that said Ribeira
Grande and then Vila Franca.  The link you provided from Sept leads us to
believe that they are skipping over Ribeira Grande.  I think there's less
to upload in Vila Franca if they stay with the "uploading by council"
method.  Maybe it's "uploading by freguesia" method.  Guess we play wait
and see.  And who knows, half way through this they could have a change in
directors and switch methods again.  Guess they like to keep us on our
toes! :)

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

[mances]

Nancy,

Though all translation is treason I think moreno is brunet,

In the island of São Miguel Moreno is a surname of a well known family from 
the early 1500's.
I am talking about João Moreno or João Afonso Moreno, from Vila Franca, 
whose wife Maria or Mor Anes died at the age of 108 years old and had 30 
chidren, grandchildren, g-grandchidren and g-g-grandchildren, according to 
Dr. Gaspar Frutuoso.

And he is my ancestor too.

Manoel


Em sexta-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2014 22h10min28s UTC-2, nancy jean 
baptiste escreveu:
>
> Thanks, Manoel,
>  
> What does that word mean?
>  
> Best to you,
> Nancy Jean
>  
> --
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:06:55 -0800
> From: man...@gmail.com 
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> CC: fishso...@hotmail.com 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
>
> Hi Nancy,
>
> The word is "moreno'.
>
> Manoel
>
> Em sexta-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2014 21h40min19s UTC-2, nancy jean 
> baptiste escreveu:
>
> Thanks, Rosemarie,
>  
> I'll look tomorrow for the second record I saw for this man which also had 
> the same word following his name..I'm curious if it's "marrano" 
> indicating a new Christian or crypto Jew.
>  
> Best to you,
> Nancy Jean
>  
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> From: rca...@redshift.com
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:34:48 -0800
>
>  Nancy Jean,  It looks like morano or morono to me.  Rosemarie 
>   
>  *From:* nancy jean baptiste 
> *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> *To:* azores group 
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
>  
>  Thanks, Rick and Lee,
>  
> Sorry, page 0014, baptisms Flamengos, Fayal, 1744-1763I just 
> disconnected from the site but saw this man and his wife with another child 
> and it said the same thing after his name
>  
> Just curious since if it's marrano or a variation thereof I've only seen 
> it one other time and that was in Sao Jorge.
>  
>  --
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> To: azo...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:50:27 -0600
>
>  *Hi Nancy,*
>  
> *Do you have the CCA link?*
>  
>  *Rick*
>  
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
> *Spring, TX*
>  
>  
>  *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto:azo...@googlegroups.com] *On 
> Behalf Of *nancy jean baptiste
> *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 PM
> *To:* azores group
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
>  
>  I'm needle in a haystack searching Flamengos, Faial so reading each 
> recordcould someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down 
> right side of pageJoam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what appears 
> to be the word morano/marono? Is that correct?
>  
> Any help appreciated,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

[nancy jean baptiste]

Thanks, Manoel,
 
What does that word mean?
 
Best to you,
Nancy Jean
 
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:06:55 -0800
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CC: fishsongf...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

Hi Nancy,
The word is "moreno'.
Manoel

Em sexta-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2014 21h40min19s UTC-2, nancy jean baptiste  
escreveu:


Thanks, Rosemarie,
 
I'll look tomorrow for the second record I saw for this man which also had the 
same word following his name..I'm curious if it's "marrano" indicating a 
new Christian or crypto Jew.
 
Best to you,
Nancy Jean
 
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To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:34:48 -0800







Nancy Jean,  It looks like morano or morono to me.  Rosemarie 



 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:10 PM
To: azores group 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, 
fayal
 

Thanks, Rick and Lee,
 
Sorry, page 0014, baptisms 
Flamengos, Fayal, 1744-1763I just disconnected from the site but saw this 
man and his wife with another child and it said the same thing after his 
name
 
Just curious since if it's marrano or a variation thereof 
I've only seen it one other time and that was in Sao Jorge.
 



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Subject: 
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 
2014 16:50:27 -0600





Hi 
Nancy,

 

Do 
you have the CCA link?

 


Rick

 

Richard Francis 
Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 



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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 
PM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help 
translation, flamengos, fayal

 


I'm 
needle in a haystack searching Flamengos, Faial so reading each recordcould 
someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down right side of 
pageJoam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what appears to be the word 
morano/marono? Is that correct?
 
Any help appreciated,
Nancy 
Jean

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

[mances]

Hi Nancy,

The word is "moreno'.

Manoel

Em sexta-feira, 10 de janeiro de 2014 21h40min19s UTC-2, nancy jean 
baptiste escreveu:
>
> Thanks, Rosemarie,
>  
> I'll look tomorrow for the second record I saw for this man which also had 
> the same word following his name..I'm curious if it's "marrano" 
> indicating a new Christian or crypto Jew.
>  
> Best to you,
> Nancy Jean
>  
> --
> From: rca...@redshift.com 
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:34:48 -0800
>
>  Nancy Jean,  It looks like morano or morono to me.  Rosemarie 
>   
>  *From:* nancy jean baptiste  
> *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 3:10 PM
> *To:* azores group  
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
>  
>  Thanks, Rick and Lee,
>  
> Sorry, page 0014, baptisms Flamengos, Fayal, 1744-1763I just 
> disconnected from the site but saw this man and his wife with another child 
> and it said the same thing after his name
>  
> Just curious since if it's marrano or a variation thereof I've only seen 
> it one other time and that was in Sao Jorge.
>  
>  --
> From: rfrancis...@comcast.net 
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
> Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:50:27 -0600
>
>  *Hi Nancy,*
>
>  
>
> *Do you have the CCA link?*
>
>  
>  
> *Rick*
>
>  
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Spring, TX*
>
>  
>
>  
>  
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *nancy jean baptiste
> *Sent:* Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 PM
> *To:* azores group
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
>
>  
>  
> I'm needle in a haystack searching Flamengos, Faial so reading each 
> recordcould someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down 
> right side of pageJoam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what appears 
> to be the word morano/marono? Is that correct?
>  
> Any help appreciated,
> Nancy Jean
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

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Nancy Jean, I’d be curious to know too! It really looked like morono (one r and 
an ‘o’ not ‘a’ after the r but maybe not.  Rosemarie 

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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

Thanks, Rosemarie,
 
I'll look tomorrow for the second record I saw for this man which also had the 
same word following his name..I'm curious if it's "marrano" indicating a 
new Christian or crypto Jew.
 
Best to you,
Nancy Jean
 



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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:34:48 -0800


Nancy Jean,  It looks like morano or morono to me.  Rosemarie 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:10 PM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

Thanks, Rick and Lee,
 
Sorry, page 0014, baptisms Flamengos, Fayal, 1744-1763I just disconnected 
from the site but saw this man and his wife with another child and it said the 
same thing after his name
 
Just curious since if it's marrano or a variation thereof I've only seen it one 
other time and that was in Sao Jorge.
 



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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:50:27 -0600


Hi Nancy,



Do you have the CCA link?



Rick



Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX





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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 PM
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal



I'm needle in a haystack searching Flamengos, Faial so reading each 
recordcould someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down 
right side of pageJoam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what appears to 
be the word morano/marono? Is that correct?
 
Any help appreciated,
Nancy Jean

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] ROCHA - Santo Antonio Alem Capelas

[pico]

Ricardo,It's pretty rare in the Azores, at least, but don't forget there is another surname of ROXO and that might sometimes be spelled Rocho.Strangely, ROXA is also a name used in Portugal today, along with ROXO. Maybe the name came about from the misspellings by priests from centuries ago.Yea, Maxado is a very common sighting. And your example of Xodre is great. I have ancestors named Sodre and wondered exactly what you said about how it was pronounced then and now. I know of the place in Lisboa called Cais do Sodre is named, I think, after a member of the Sodre line that was important very early on in Portugal, before they moved to Graciosa and on to the other islands nearby.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] ROCHA - Santo Antonio Alem Capelas
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Hi Ricardo,Yes, the archaic spelling is Roxa.But it really seems to be something individual priests use here and there.It's Rocha in records for every century, but also Roxa in the same centuries.The main point is the SH sound of Rocha (sounds like ROSHA) has two ways to be spelled. Sometimes it's CH and other times X like Cheri said. Teixeira is the X example, too.It helps to sound out what the name is spelled like and you might figure out what the modern spelling should be that way.Oh, Chaves is another example. Maybe it can also be spelled Xaves  





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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

In that case the next parish should be from Ribeira Grande and the Freguesa
of Vila Franco do Campo is still last L

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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UP

 

The thought occurred to me that perhaps they are now just going to upload in
alphabetical order, no matter which concelho it belongs to. By next week,
they will probably finish Agua d'Alto. Then we'll see what they do the
following week and if my hunch is correct.

 

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www.dholmes.com

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

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Thanks, Rosemarie,
 
I'll look tomorrow for the second record I saw for this man which also had the 
same word following his name..I'm curious if it's "marrano" indicating a 
new Christian or crypto Jew.
 
Best to you,
Nancy Jean
 
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Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:34:48 -0800







Nancy Jean,  It looks like morano or morono to me.  Rosemarie 



 

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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:10 PM
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, 
fayal
 

Thanks, Rick and Lee,
 
Sorry, page 0014, baptisms 
Flamengos, Fayal, 1744-1763I just disconnected from the site but saw this 
man and his wife with another child and it said the same thing after his 
name
 
Just curious since if it's marrano or a variation thereof 
I've only seen it one other time and that was in Sao Jorge.
 



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 
2014 16:50:27 -0600





Hi 
Nancy,
 
Do 
you have the CCA link?
 

Rick
 
Richard Francis 
Pimentel
Spring, TX
 
 


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translation, flamengos, fayal
 

I'm 
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someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down right side of 
pageJoam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what appears to be the word 
morano/marono? Is that correct?
 
Any help appreciated,
Nancy 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

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Nancy Jean,  It looks like morano or morono to me.  Rosemarie 

From: nancy jean baptiste 
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

Thanks, Rick and Lee,
 
Sorry, page 0014, baptisms Flamengos, Fayal, 1744-1763I just disconnected 
from the site but saw this man and his wife with another child and it said the 
same thing after his name
 
Just curious since if it's marrano or a variation thereof I've only seen it one 
other time and that was in Sao Jorge.
 



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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:50:27 -0600


Hi Nancy,



Do you have the CCA link?



Rick



Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX





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I'm needle in a haystack searching Flamengos, Faial so reading each 
recordcould someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down 
right side of pageJoam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what appears to 
be the word morano/marono? Is that correct?
 
Any help appreciated,
Nancy Jean

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Way back we had a discussion and it was translating a letter from CCA. From
that we all assumed that Ribeira Grande would be after Ponta Delgada. In re
reading the messages I now see it does not mention Ribeira Grande. 

 

This is the short link to the Azores Google Group Archive and the message.
http://goo.gl/HxfBvV 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:53 PM
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Rick P,

The CCA didn't say Ribeira Grande then Vila Franca.  It was me, saying that.
I was going with the alphabetical order idea.

Before the change in directors at the CCA, they were going to do another
island then come back to Sao Miguel.  Guess they had a change of plans.
Lucky for the Vila Franca folks!


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

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The thought occurred to me that perhaps they are now just going to upload in alphabetical order, no matter which concelho it belongs to. By next week, they will probably finish Agua d'Alto. Then we'll see what they do the following week and if my hunch is correct.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com 



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

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Thanks, Rick and Lee,
 
Sorry, page 0014, baptisms Flamengos, Fayal, 1744-1763I just disconnected 
from the site but saw this man and his wife with another child and it said the 
same thing after his name
 
Just curious since if it's marrano or a variation thereof I've only seen it one 
other time and that was in Sao Jorge.
 
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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:50:27 -0600

Hi Nancy, Do you have the CCA link? Rick Richard Francis PimentelSpring, TX  
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal I'm needle in a 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where else to look for Moniz Machado ancestors

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I think I am confused. There are two Sao Sebastiao Churches one is in
Ginetes and the other is in Ponta Delgada. It sounds to me like you need to
look in Sao Sebastiao in Ponta Delgada.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Maria Lima
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:12 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where else to look for Moniz Machado
ancestors

 

He's,Hermano: at one point when I had already searched in Sao Pedro, Sao
Jose and didn't find them, I was so very "sure" they would be in the Sao
Sebastao parish.  That was a disappointment and I no longer get my hopes up
the way I did that time.  Thank you so much for your efforts.  I know
somewhere I will find them.  I will certainly celebrate with the group when
I do.  :). 

On Friday, January 10, 2014, Hermano C. Pires wrote:

Hello Maria Lima
Becau se mentioned somewhere that you thought he was from Sao Sebastiao, I
just looked in Ginetes for the whole year of 1874 and din't find him :(
 

  _  

Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where else to look for Moniz Machado
ancestors
From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
 
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:22:53 -0600
To: azores@googlegroups.com
 

Hi John and Margaret- 

 

Thank you for helping me try to find the elusive Domingo's Moniz Machado
Birth info.  Although I have basic information for him, I can't go back any
further than his parents because I don't know which freguesias in ponta
Delgada they were from and up to now i haven't found them.  

 

John, I will study the link you sent again in more in depth because the
dates are off but the Names are similar.

 

I received Domingos' birthdate from his daughter who was my mother in law.
>From census records, it appears both Domingo's and his brother Clement,
immigrated in different years.  Domingo's immigrated in 1885 at age 11.
Their parents were Jacinto Machado and Emilia Moniz.  I will look  Again
through the Sao Jose baptisms in search of any one with those parents.
They also had a sister named Maria.  (She married a Peter F Silva in Boston
and had a daughter named Beatrice (Pimentel) born in 1900. )

 

Margaret, I knew Domingo's had traveled to the Azores and visited his
brother in law, Manoel Almeida.  Domingo's' wife was  Maria Georgina
d'Almeida and they married in Boston.  When he traveled to see that relative
he was already a dentist and she was expecting a baby and didn't travel with
him.  He sent her a stash of postcards sometimes sending 2 or 3 a day.  He
mentions seeing a relative named Captain Mello.  I also have Maria
Georgina's mother's passport which shows Maria Georgina's parents were from
the Sao Jose parish of Ponta Delgada.  

 

To me there is some mystery that I may never solve with Domingo's because my
mother in law always told us he was raised by the Jesuits.  Apparently, he
had a "guardian angel" who helped him get an education.   He was able to get
into Tufts University and become a dentist.  I have his graduation picture
and certificate.   He was married during the time  he was in dental school.


 

But I just could not find his birthplace in order to  trace the family.  I
also tried learning which Jesuits in the Boston area would have raised him.


 

Thank you  so much for helping me- 

 


Maria Elena 


On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, JR  > wrote:

Are you sure about the birth date for Domingos? And where did you get the
birthdate information? I ask because I found this, which looks like your
ancestors.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1
889/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889_item1/P191.html

 

JR (John Roias)

On Friday, January 3, 2014 12:43:28 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:

I have an ancestor who is a mystery in that I've searched all Sao Miguel
records and can't find him in the his birth year.  His name was  Domingo's
Moniz Machado; nor his brother "Clem".  Must be Clemente (?) Moniz Machado. 

Their parents were Jacinto Machado and mother was Emilia Moniz Machado.   

Thanks to this group for posting the link for the Portuguese newspapers
housed at the Dartmouth library.   I stumbled on their sister, Maria M
"Marshall" sister of Clemente Machado.  I knew they had a sister but had no
idea how to find her until I could find the parents. It was exciting to
actually find her.   

For years I've been searching for the 2 brothers to take the line back.  I
think this is a dead end but I'm not giving up.  Every time a new parish was
posted on the CCA, I thought Aha!  This is going to be the one. But sadly it
was not.  Now I'm going to go through each parish again to the years before
and after their supposed birth years.   

Are there any other records from Sao Miguel that are not on the CCA?  Any
ideas where I might find where in Sao Miguel they were from?  All his
document  just say Sao Miguel.  Domingo's birthdate is 8 February 1874;
Clemente born 9 Feb 1869 and I only have the death

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Cheri Mello]

Rick P,

The CCA didn't say Ribeira Grande then Vila Franca.  It was me, saying
that.  I was going with the alphabetical order idea.

Before the change in directors at the CCA, they were going to do another
island then come back to Sao Miguel.  Guess they had a change of plans.
Lucky for the Vila Franca folks!

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ROCHA - Santo Antonio Alem Capelas

[Cheri Mello]

Ricardo C said:
<<... I have found in the same book, same year, different vicars spelling
same words in two or more different ways. As Doug said I believe they
didn't all follow same rules!>>

Or too much vinho! :)

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Achada

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Hi Nancy,

 

Do you have the CCA link?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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nancy jean baptiste
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:19 PM
To: azores group
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

 

I'm needle in a haystack searching Flamengos, Faial so reading each
recordcould someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down
right side of pageJoam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what appears
to be the word morano/marono? Is that correct?
 
Any help appreciated,
Nancy Jean

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Rodney Figueiredo]

Yay!  Vila Franca!  I'll be patiently waiting for São Miguel Arcanjo 
records.  

On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:30:38 AM UTC-5, Pam Santos wrote:
>
> Yep looks like they passed over ribeirda grande and are doing villa Franco 
> do campo
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where else to look for Moniz Machado ancestors

[Maria Lima]

He's,Hermano: at one point when I had already searched in Sao Pedro, Sao
Jose and didn't find them, I was so very "sure" they would be in the Sao
Sebastao parish.  That was a disappointment and I no longer get my hopes up
the way I did that time.  Thank you so much for your efforts.  I know
somewhere I will find them.  I will certainly celebrate with the group when
I do.  :).

On Friday, January 10, 2014, Hermano C. Pires wrote:

> Hello Maria Lima
> Becau se mentioned somewhere that you thought he was from Sao Sebastiao, I
> just looked in Ginetes for the whole year of 1874 and din't find him :(
>
> --
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where else to look for Moniz Machado
> ancestors
> From: maria.lima...@gmail.com  'maria.lima...@gmail.com');>
> Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:22:53 -0600
> To: azores@googlegroups.com  'azores@googlegroups.com');>
>
> Hi John and Margaret-
>
> Thank you for helping me try to find the elusive Domingo's Moniz Machado
> Birth info.  Although I have basic information for him, I can't go back any
> further than his parents because I don't know which freguesias in ponta
> Delgada they were from and up to now i haven't found them.
>
> John, I will study the link you sent again in more in depth because the
> dates are off but the Names are similar.
>
> I received Domingos' birthdate from his daughter who was my mother in law.
>   From census records, it appears both Domingo's and his brother Clement,
> immigrated in different years.  Domingo's immigrated in 1885 at age 11.
>  Their parents were Jacinto Machado and Emilia Moniz.  I will look  Again
> through the Sao Jose baptisms in search of any one with those parents.
>  They also had a sister named Maria.  (She married a Peter F Silva in
> Boston and had a daughter named Beatrice (Pimentel) born in 1900. )
>
> Margaret, I knew Domingo's had traveled to the Azores and visited his
> brother in law, Manoel Almeida.  Domingo's' wife was  Maria Georgina
> d'Almeida and they married in Boston.  When he traveled to see that
> relative he was already a dentist and she was expecting a baby and didn't
> travel with him.  He sent her a stash of postcards sometimes sending 2 or 3
> a day.  He mentions seeing a relative named Captain Mello.  I also have
> Maria Georgina's mother's passport which shows Maria Georgina's parents
> were from  the Sao Jose parish of Ponta Delgada.
>
> To me there is some mystery that I may never solve with Domingo's because
> my mother in law always told us he was raised by the Jesuits.  Apparently,
> he had a "guardian angel" who helped him get an education.   He was able to
> get into Tufts University and become a dentist.  I have his graduation
> picture and certificate.   He was married during the time  he was in dental
> school.
>
> But I just could not find his birthplace in order to  trace the family.  I
> also tried learning which Jesuits in the Boston area would have raised him.
>
>
> Thank you  so much for helping me-
>
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, JR  'cvml', 'jro...@rogers.com');>> wrote:
>
> Are you sure about the birth date for Domingos? And where did you get the
> birthdate information? I ask because I found this, which looks like your
> ancestors.
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889_item1/P191.html
>
> JR (John Roias)
>
> On Friday, January 3, 2014 12:43:28 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:
>
> I have an ancestor who is a mystery in that I've searched all Sao Miguel
> records and can't find him in the his birth year.  His name was  Domingo's
> Moniz Machado; nor his brother "Clem".  Must be Clemente (?) Moniz Machado.
>
> Their parents were Jacinto Machado and mother was Emilia Moniz Machado.
>
> Thanks to this group for posting the link for the Portuguese newspapers
> housed at the Dartmouth library.   I stumbled on their sister, Maria M
> "Marshall" sister of Clemente Machado.  I knew they had a sister but had no
> idea how to find her until I could find the parents. It was exciting to
> actually find her.
>
> For years I've been searching for the 2 brothers to take the line back.  I
> think this is a dead end but I'm not giving up.  Every time a new parish
> was posted on the CCA, I thought Aha!  This is going to be the one. But
> sadly it was not.  Now I'm going to go through each parish again to the
> years before and after their supposed birth years.
>
> Are there any other records from Sao Miguel that are not on the CCA?  Any
> ideas where I might find where in Sao Miguel they were from?  All his
> document  just say Sao Miguel.  Domingo's birthdate is 8 February 1874;
>  Clemente born 9 Feb 1869 and I only have the death date of the sister,
> Maria M Marshall  who died 8 August 1954.  All three died in Boston.
>
> Any ideas?  Thanks.
>
> Maria Elena
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ROCHA - Santo Antonio Alem Capelas

[Ricardo Chaves]

Thank you all for input,

I'm aware of the phonetic sound, I live here and deal with it everyday, [?] also
muito obrigado Joao S. Lopes, what you say makes a lot of sense, I have
found in the same book, same year, different vicars spelling same words in
two or more different ways. As Doug said I believe they didn't all follow
same rules!

I have found more and more, as I go back in time, archaic words. Sometimes
the problem is not the way they write but their calligraphy... I am getting
there besides the difficulties, feels good having a intense paleography
course reading back, year after year, and being able to identify more
easily now what they are saying.

I would not be surprised if I find my name with Xaves instead of Chaves.

Words like "Foy" meaning "Foi" = Was, are more often found prior 1850 as I
am experiencing now, Gayle. I actually saw a Maxado as well, looking for my
line of Rocha.

Cheri, I can perfectly imagine what these ascendants have gone trough,
believe me. I have known people still alive who told me stories about how
hard it was, people who remember that their humble poor houses had a floor
of "Terra Batida" and much more!

Thank you all



On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 2:38 AM, Gayle Machado  wrote:

> I've even seen Medeiros spelled with a "y" instead of the "i."
>
> On Jan 9, 2014, at 5:31 PM, "Joao S. Lopes"  wrote:
>
> In older registers, you'll find many "wrong" words, Roxa instead of Rocha,
> Maxado instead of Machado, sinco instead of cinco (5). They're not older
> spellings, are simply wrong ways to write, tolerated in those times.
> Examples of older spellings are Mideiros for Medeiros, Joam for Joao,
> Cibrao for Cipriano, Bracelos/Baracelos for Barcelos;
> Curuvelo/Cruvelo/Coruvelo for Curvelo.
> JS Lopes
>
>
>   Em Quinta-feira, 9 de Janeiro de 2014 21:16, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
> eliseuman...@gmail.com> escreveu:
>  Roxa = old portuguese spelling of Rocha!
>
> *De:* azores@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com]
> *Em nome de *Ricardo Chaves
> *Enviada:* quinta-feira, 9 de Janeiro de 2014 18:02
> *Para:* Azores Geneolagy
> *Assunto:* [AZORES-Genealogy] ROCHA - Santo Antonio Alem Capelas
>
> Dear researchers, happy new year!
>
>
> Doug Holmes, have you ever found any of your ROCHA spelled ROXA?
>
> I am having some doubts about my lineage. There are a few Rocha in Santo
> Antonio, several different lines but with same names. It happens that in
> 1879 my GG Grandfather was known as Manuel da Rocha, but 16 years earlier,
> it is known as Manuel da Roxa!
>
> Also in one year he is known as a farmer (camponez) and 16 years later a
> fisherman (pescador or maritimo). If you, Doug, or anyone out there
> researching these Rocha, please let me know if its normal Rocha being
> spelled Roxa in earlier 1800's.
>
>
> Cheers to all
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[AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

[Lee]

Nancy,  there is nit document to refer to.I am researching Flamengos as 
well.

Lee

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[AZORES-Genealogy] help translation, flamengos, fayal

[nancy jean baptiste]

I'm needle in a haystack searching Flamengos, Faial so reading each 
recordcould someone verify a word..baptisms 1744-1763..3rd down 
right side of pageJoam, filho do Jose Pereira? followed by what appears to 
be the word morano/marono? Is that correct?
 
Any help appreciated,
Nancy Jean
  

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where else to look for Moniz Machado ancestors

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Maria Lima
Becau se mentioned somewhere that you thought he was from Sao Sebastiao, I just 
looked in Ginetes for the whole year of 1874 and din't find him :(
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Where else to look for Moniz Machado 
ancestors
From: maria.lima...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 22:22:53 -0600
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi John and Margaret- 
Thank you for helping me try to find the elusive Domingo's Moniz Machado Birth 
info.  Although I have basic information for him, I can't go back any further 
than his parents because I don't know which freguesias in ponta Delgada they 
were from and up to now i haven't found them.  
John, I will study the link you sent again in more in depth because the dates 
are off but the Names are similar.
I received Domingos' birthdate from his daughter who was my mother in law.   
From census records, it appears both Domingo's and his brother Clement, 
immigrated in different years.  Domingo's immigrated in 1885 at age 11.  
Their parents were Jacinto Machado and Emilia Moniz.  I will look  Again 
through the Sao Jose baptisms in search of any one with those parents.They 
also had a sister named Maria.  (She married a Peter F Silva in Boston and had 
a daughter named Beatrice (Pimentel) born in 1900. )
Margaret, I knew Domingo's had traveled to the Azores and visited his brother 
in law, Manoel Almeida.  Domingo's' wife was  Maria Georgina d'Almeida and they 
married in Boston.  When he traveled to see that relative he was already a 
dentist and she was expecting a baby and didn't travel with him.  He sent her a 
stash of postcards sometimes sending 2 or 3 a day.  He mentions seeing a 
relative named Captain Mello.  I also have Maria Georgina's mother's passport 
which shows Maria Georgina's parents were from  the Sao Jose parish of Ponta 
Delgada.  
To me there is some mystery that I may never solve with Domingo's because my 
mother in law always told us he was raised by the Jesuits.  Apparently, he had 
a "guardian angel" who helped him get an education.   He was able to get into 
Tufts University and become a dentist.  I have his graduation picture and 
certificate.   He was married during the time  he was in dental school.   
But I just could not find his birthplace in order to  trace the family.  I also 
tried learning which Jesuits in the Boston area would have raised him.  
Thank you  so much for helping me- 

Maria Elena 
On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:59 AM, JR  wrote:

Are you sure about the birth date for Domingos? And where did you get the 
birthdate information? I ask because I found this, which looks like your 
ancestors.http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-C-1880-1889_item1/P191.html
JR (John Roias)

On Friday, January 3, 2014 12:43:28 PM UTC-5, Maria wrote:I have an ancestor 
who is a mystery in that I've searched all Sao Miguel records and can't find 
him in the his birth year.  His name was  Domingo's Moniz Machado; nor his 
brother "Clem".  Must be Clemente (?) Moniz Machado.



Their parents were Jacinto Machado and mother was Emilia Moniz Machado.  



Thanks to this group for posting the link for the Portuguese newspapers housed 
at the Dartmouth library.   I stumbled on their sister, Maria M "Marshall" 
sister of Clemente Machado.  I knew they had a sister but had no idea how to 
find her until I could find the parents. It was exciting to actually find her.  



For years I've been searching for the 2 brothers to take the line back.  I 
think this is a dead end but I'm not giving up.  Every time a new parish was 
posted on the CCA, I thought Aha!  This is going to be the one. But sadly it 
was not.  Now I'm going to go through each parish again to the years before and 
after their supposed birth years.  



Are there any other records from Sao Miguel that are not on the CCA?  Any ideas 
where I might find where in Sao Miguel they were from?  All his document  just 
say Sao Miguel.  Domingo's birthdate is 8 February 1874;  Clemente born 9 Feb 
1869 and I only have the death date of the sister, Maria M Marshall  who died 8 
August 1954.  All three died in Boston. 



Any ideas?  Thanks.  



Maria Elena 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Mello - St. Antonio, San Miguel Help with translation

[Hermano C. Pires]

Hello Sheri
Just noticed your post and must agree with Cheri as to how to request 
assistance.
Anyway, the CCA image number and the page number don't agree, however 
everuthing else fits so here is what I see:
 
Antonio, born 25 November 1893 at 7:00 pm son of Manuel de Melo, campones 
(field worker, labourer) and Maria Jose, de ocupacao domestica (housewife). 
Paternal grandson of Jose de Melo Botelho and Maria dos Anjos and maternal 
grand son of Antonio Viveiros do Rego and Maria Jose.
Godparents: Antonio Machado and Maria da Conceicao, both single.
Srry no diacreitics.
Hope that helps.
Hermano
 
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:51:48 -0800
From: smartell...@gmail.com
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Antonio Mello - St. Antonio, San Miguel Help with 
translation

Can someone help with translation.  I am looking at St. Antonio, Ponta Delgada, 
San Miguel, year 1893 baptism on page 32 on the right side first entry for 
Antonio.
I see his father listed as Manuel de Melo, and his mother Maria ?  It looks 
like Jose d'occupacao. Is she the daughter of Jose d'occupacao?
Thank you.
Sheri




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

They must have had a change of plans. The last thing they said was Ribeira
Grande and then Vila Franco.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

 

Yep looks like they passed over ribeirda grande and are doing villa Franco
do campo

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Joe Matias]

NICE!


On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Cheryl Lawrence wrote:

> So excited!  Can't wait until I get home tonight and can peruse the
> records.
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>> Franco do campo
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Starting the search of my ancestors

[Rodney Figueiredo]

Hi Jeff, 

Have you looked at the Rio Grande do Sul Catholic Church records on 
familysearch?  There are only a few states that have been fully uploaded. 
 I've found a lot on my family (including my Azorean ancestors), but we are 
from Rio de Janeiro.  I checked and they do have Rio Grande do Sul records 
online - both for Viamão and for Osório.  The records typically go to the 
late 1800s, at which point the Civil Registry took over from the church. 
 Unfortunately, Civil Registries for RS are not yet available online, but 
those are easier to find in local town notaries since they're more recent. 
 However, if you have an ancestor born in the mid-to-late 1800s that you 
know of, that would be the easiest place to start looking.  There are no 
indexes available, but if you browse the books in the parish your family 
came from, you should be able to find someone that is related.  I've found 
that parish records were great at informing the parish where the family 
came from in Portugal.  That's how I linked mine back, so hopefully you'll 
find a great detailed record.  Here's the link to the two parishes you were 
looking at: 

Osório: 
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM97B-NYV%3An879109685%3Fcc%3D2177295
Viamão: 
https://familysearch.org/search/image/index#uri=https%3A%2F%2Ffamilysearch.org%2Frecords%2Fwaypoint%2FM97B-N1N%3A181155%3Fcc%3D2177295

Good luck!

Rodney


On Friday, December 27, 2013 11:58:15 AM UTC-5, Jeff Rolim wrote:
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> Hello. 
>
> I am new to genealogy but I am ready to start the research that will lead 
> me to my lost family members. 
>
> I currently live in The United States but I am from a small town in 
> Brazil, called Viamao. Back in the days, that particular area in Brazil 
> received a huge number of people from Azores and I always heard as a kid 
> that my family originated there. 
>
> Unfortunately, I only have a few names and even fewer birth dates that 
> will make my research even more complicated. My mom was able to get some of 
> the records from a church in Osorio, Brazil but few people's records were 
> found. We actually suspect my family was Jewish but forced to become 
> Christians back then, several friends found their records in church and my 
> family did not. I am Jewish, by choice, and it would shock me if my 
> research finds Jewish ancestry at this point in my life. 
>
> Any help or tip from you all will be greatly appreciated, so far I have 
> requested a DNA kit and will start my genealogy tree soon. 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Jeff Rolim 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Cheri Mello]

Vila Franca!  Vila Franca!

Oh wait, I need the last freguesias (alphabetically)!


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Cheryl Lawrence]

So excited!  Can't wait until I get home tonight and can peruse the records.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Pam Santos]

Yep looks like they passed over ribeirda grande and are doing villa Franco
do campo

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: CCA Vila Franco do Campo records Baptism are UP

[Pam Santos]

correction Agua de alto so far


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