Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Margin notes from 1961

2014-01-20 Thread mnk
My mom had friends named Odete and Zulmira! All from Sao Miguel.
Maria Natalia
On Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:34:14 PM UTC-6, Cheri Mello wrote:

 I was reading Odete, but never seen it in a Portuguese record, so I 
 thought my brain was playing tricks on me.  Zulmira is a new one for me.

 Thanks to all!
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

2014-01-20 Thread Adair Borba
I have a membership to Ancestry.com and for the most part seem to have  
expired the available data.  Is Family Tree Maker just an enhancement  
to my Ancestry membership?  I am just wondering where I might go  
next...any thoughts?


Adair Borba
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record for Ana Bernarda Estalano Nunes Teixeira AND Baptism record for Ana's son, Daniel

2014-01-20 Thread Dano
As you mention, each of these records are clearly written. 

On the baptism, Daniel was baptized, and, as is the case in this matter, the 
father is not mentioned - nor would he be mentioned, unless he comes forward 
and declares that he is the child's father. There is a separate administrative 
statement, added - after the fact, to the original baptismal record (usually 
in the left margin), and a document known as a Legitimacao (Legitimation) is 
written into a ledger, or section of a ledger, established for that purpose.  

As for the marriage record, the marriage of Ana Bernarda and Estelano, occured 
seven years later. It makes no mention of Daniel. If Estalano was the father we 
will never know - and declares such. Apart from that, Estelano could adopt 
Daniel if he chooses to, and it can be recorded by the church as a separate 
record known as a perfiliacao, (adoption), again, normally recorded in a 
section of its own in the Ledger. That pretty much covers your questions, if 
I've left anything out or misstated something, I'm sure that someone will point 
that out.   

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Please

2014-01-20 Thread Dano
The last line refers to the donations provided for the services...

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

2014-01-20 Thread Cheri Mello
On Ancestry, you can keep your genealogy in the cloud, on their servers.
With Family Tree Maker, you will have your own genealogy software on your
computer (back it up yourself). It has a lot more bells and whistles than
Ancestry. It can also sync with Ancestry as well.
Cheri
On Jan 20, 2014 9:04 AM, Adair Borba adair1...@icloud.com wrote:

 I have a membership to Ancestry.com and for the most part seem to have
 expired the available data.  Is Family Tree Maker just an enhancement to my
 Ancestry membership?  I am just wondering where I might go next...any
 thoughts?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

2014-01-20 Thread Bill Boyd
I use both Ancestry and Family Tree Maker. Cheri is correct for the overall, 
but there are some things to be aware of:

* The sync doesn't get everything on ancestry. For example, all of the data 
associated with documents and headstones does not come down to FTM. If I have 
text in the translation field on ancestry, it never appears in FTM. 

* Things change more frequently in the cloud (Ancestry). They are very 
regularly trying new things. Some things disappear completely. For example, I 
spent a lot of time tagging faces in pictures only to have the feature, and 
data, disappear. Better to just describe in notes. 

* They are constantly breaking the sync feature. This generally corrupts the 
FTM file. I don't mind as much since my master is always the cloud copy. 

* As Cheri states, I like owning the data. Should Ancestry disappear or 
crash, I can continue (with diminished data). Also, I periodically let my 
subscription expire and turn to free services. It forces me to look elsewhere 
for a time. I find newspapers and browsing images on familysearch very 
worthwhile. 

* This is a big one!  If you don't have a subscription with Ancestry, they will 
not let you view records you have ALREADY attached. This bugs me to no end!  
They will, however, continue to sell your pictures and records to only 
subscribers. So, the sync with FTM gives you access to your Ancestry records 
when not subscribed. 

* Try the different Ancestry access points (web, iPhone, Android) every now and 
then. They often screw up security on upgrades and provide free record access 
for a time.  Also, the iPhone (right now) allows individual record purchases 
for $1.99. Not cheap, butter better than paying for a month for 1 or 2 records. 

* Some records are FREE no matter you subscription status. No, Ancestry does 
not make it obvious which records!  Anything from the 1940 census, find a 
grave, billion graves, and many others, are always free. You'll have to develop 
a list. If you select a premium record, just back up from the prompt to 
subscribe. 

Good luck!

Regards,

Bill

 On Jan 20, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 On Ancestry, you can keep your genealogy in the cloud, on their servers. With 
 Family Tree Maker, you will have your own genealogy software on your computer 
 (back it up yourself). It has a lot more bells and whistles than Ancestry. It 
 can also sync with Ancestry as well.
 Cheri
 
 On Jan 20, 2014 9:04 AM, Adair Borba adair1...@icloud.com wrote:
 I have a membership to Ancestry.com and for the most part seem to have 
 expired the available data.  Is Family Tree Maker just an enhancement to my 
 Ancestry membership?  I am just wondering where I might go next...any 
 thoughts?
 
 Adair Borba
 Researching Borbas of Sao Jorge/Sebastopol California
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] New addition to family

2014-01-20 Thread Maria Lima
A true blessing!  Congratulations to all if you..
Maria Elena 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 17, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Eileen Leite eileenle...@seleite.com wrote:
 
 How wonderful! Congratulations to you all!
  
 From: Marcio Borba [mailto:marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:31 PM
 To: Azores Group
 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] New addition to family
  
 For those who have me in their tree I would like to announce the new addition 
 to the family, my daughter, Julia Rosa Estrela Borba, born Jan 9 2014, in 
 Oakville, Ontario, Canada.
  
 Marcio Borba 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

2014-01-20 Thread Pam Santos
They must of changed it because before you could view it. But doesn't
matter as long as you merge the document (census) to you family tree maker
you can always view it. But still they shouldn't restrict you from viewing
something that you paid for when you were subscribed.

* This is a big one!  If you don't have a subscription with Ancestry, they
will not let you view records you have ALREADY attached. This bugs me to no
end!  They will, however, continue to sell your pictures and records to
only subscribers. So, the sync with FTM gives you access to your Ancestry
records when not subscribed.


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Bill Boyd want2beuni...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I use both Ancestry and Family Tree Maker. Cheri is correct for the
 overall, but there are some things to be aware of:

 * The sync doesn't get everything on ancestry. For example, all of the
 data associated with documents and headstones does not come down to FTM. If
 I have text in the translation field on ancestry, it never appears in FTM.

 * Things change more frequently in the cloud (Ancestry). They are very
 regularly trying new things. Some things disappear completely. For example,
 I spent a lot of time tagging faces in pictures only to have the feature,
 and data, disappear. Better to just describe in notes.

 * They are constantly breaking the sync feature. This generally corrupts
 the FTM file. I don't mind as much since my master is always the cloud
 copy.

 * As Cheri states, I like owning the data. Should Ancestry disappear or
 crash, I can continue (with diminished data). Also, I periodically let my
 subscription expire and turn to free services. It forces me to look
 elsewhere for a time. I find newspapers and browsing images on familysearch
 very worthwhile.

 * This is a big one!  If you don't have a subscription with Ancestry, they
 will not let you view records you have ALREADY attached. This bugs me to no
 end!  They will, however, continue to sell your pictures and records to
 only subscribers. So, the sync with FTM gives you access to your Ancestry
 records when not subscribed.

 * Try the different Ancestry access points (web, iPhone, Android) every
 now and then. They often screw up security on upgrades and provide free
 record access for a time.  Also, the iPhone (right now) allows individual
 record purchases for $1.99. Not cheap, butter better than paying for a
 month for 1 or 2 records.

 * Some records are FREE no matter you subscription status. No, Ancestry
 does not make it obvious which records!  Anything from the 1940 census,
 find a grave, billion graves, and many others, are always free. You'll have
 to develop a list. If you select a premium record, just back up from the
 prompt to subscribe.

 Good luck!

 Regards,

 Bill

 On Jan 20, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Ancestry, you can keep your genealogy in the cloud, on their servers.
 With Family Tree Maker, you will have your own genealogy software on your
 computer (back it up yourself). It has a lot more bells and whistles than
 Ancestry. It can also sync with Ancestry as well.
 Cheri
 On Jan 20, 2014 9:04 AM, Adair Borba adair1...@icloud.com wrote:

 I have a membership to Ancestry.com and for the most part seem to have
 expired the available data.  Is Family Tree Maker just an enhancement to my
 Ancestry membership?  I am just wondering where I might go next...any
 thoughts?

 Adair Borba
 Researching Borbas of Sao Jorge/Sebastopol California

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Patiently waiting for more Ponta Garca Baptism

2014-01-20 Thread Pam Santos
Darn, I was hoping they uploaded more records today. I need to view 1868
baptism records. I will be patiently waiting, I guess its good tho other
wise I wouldn't be studying like I am suppose to be doing lol

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Vicente Ferreira parish, S. Miguel island

2014-01-20 Thread João Ventura
Olá, Márcio

According to the info I've got on http://tombo.pt/f/pdl19, this parish was 
branched off São Pedro in 1838.

João C. Ventura
http://tombo.pt

On Monday, 20 January 2014 03:53:17 UTC+1, Azoreanno wrote:

 Does anyone know if the Parish of Sao Vicente Ferreira in S. Miguel was 
 part of another parish at some point?? Seems to be part of Ponta Delgada 
 District but I dont see it up on CCA. Are they still working on Ponta 
 Delgada?? Since they been adding Vila Franca parishes I thought Ponta 
 Delgada was done.
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento-Manoel Corvello e Roza Maria Sao Pedro 1751,help with ABREV.

2014-01-20 Thread Anthony Soares
 

Having trouble with a couple Abbreviations, anyone out there able to make 
them out? It is the record on the right. Thank You!

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1750-1789/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1750-1789_item1/P10.html

12 lines down,
Manoel Corvello filho de Antonio (not sure of that abrev) Corvello e de sua 
mulher Antonia

14 lines down 
Roza Maria filha ligitima de Felipe ? (can anyone make out this abrev?) … e 
de sua mulher Joanna

Muito Obrigado 

Tony

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento-Manoel Corvello e Roza Maria Sao Pedro 1751,help with ABREV.

2014-01-20 Thread rcapodc
Tony, it’s Manuel Carvalho son of Antonio Carvalho (no abreviations there) and 
his wife Antonia de Espirito Santo native of this village.
Roza Maria daughter of Felipe (I think it’s Machado but the ‘d’ is kind of in 
the letter from the above line!)  native of Sao Sebastiao and his wife Joanna 
de Santo Antonio native of Sao Roque dos ??

Rosemarie 

From: Anthony Soares 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento-Manoel Corvello e Roza Maria Sao Pedro 
1751,help with ABREV.

Having trouble with a couple Abbreviations, anyone out there able to make them 
out? It is the record on the right. Thank You!

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1750-1789/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1750-1789_item1/P10.html

12 lines down,
Manoel Corvello filho de Antonio (not sure of that abrev) Corvello e de sua 
mulher Antonia

14 lines down 
Roza Maria filha ligitima de Felipe ? (can anyone make out this abrev?) … e de 
sua mulher Joanna

Muito Obrigado 

Tony

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento-Manoel Corvello e Roza Maria Sao Pedro 1751,help with ABREV.

2014-01-20 Thread Joao S. Lopes
Manoel Corvello son of Antº(Antonio) Corvello and Antonia do Espº Stº (Espirito 
Santo) Roza Maria daughter of Felipe M.do (Machado), from Villa de Sao 
Sebastiao, andJoanna de StºAntº(Santo Antonio)


Joao SimoesLopes
Rio, Brazil




Em Segunda-feira, 20 de Janeiro de 2014 22:52, rcapodc rcap...@redshift.com 
escreveu:
 
Tony, it’s Manuel Carvalho son of Antonio Carvalho (no abreviations there) 
and his wife Antonia de Espirito Santo native of this village.
Roza Maria daughter of Felipe (I think it’s Machado but the ‘d’ is kind of 
in the letter from the above line!)  native of Sao Sebastiao and his wife 
Joanna de Santo Antonio native of Sao Roque dos ??
 
Rosemarie 
 
From: Anthony Soares 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:22 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Casamento-Manoel Corvello e Roza Maria 
Sao Pedro 1751,help with ABREV.
 
Having trouble with a couple Abbreviations, anyone out there 
able to make them out? It is the record on the right. Thank 
You!

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1750-1789/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-C-1750-1789_item1/P10.html

12 
lines down,
Manoel Corvello filho de Antonio (not sure of that abrev) 
Corvello e de sua mulher Antonia

14 lines down 
Roza Maria filha 
ligitima de Felipe ? (can anyone make out this abrev?) … e de sua mulher 
Joanna

Muito Obrigado 

Tony
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Casamento-Manoel Corvello e Roza Maria Sao Pedro 1751,help with ABREV.

2014-01-20 Thread Anthony Soares


THANK YOU !
 Rosemarie and Joao,


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Sao Sebastiao, PD Parents of Barbara Correia Records from 1661 to 1709

2014-01-20 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
Hi All 

 

I am trying to find the marriage of the parents of Barbara Correia. The
marriage record below shows on line 12 her father's name as Andre Tsixya  (I
believe is Teixeira) and her mother is Maria Correia. This record also
states that Manuel de Sousa and Barbara Correia are from the parish of Sao
Sebastiao.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1
708-1724/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724_item1/P7.html  Right side

 

 

After much searching I found the following baptism in 1671. Fathers name is
given as Andre Rodrigues and mother as Maria Correia. I did find the death
of Barbara in 1754 and her age was given as 60 years more or less which
makes this date off by 13 years. This is the closest I came with the names. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1
663-1685/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685_item1/P77.html  Second on left

 

 

This record is the marriage in 1661 of Andre Rodrigues and Maria Correia. If
anyone can figure the date out on this record it would help. Is seems all
scrambled up the record before is 9 Jun 1661 and the record after is 11 Jul
1661.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1
650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P63.html Upper right side

 

After much searching of the records I found no other Maria Correia married
to and Andre other than Andre Rodrigues (and what I believe is Andre
Teixeira in the first record above). I still need to look for any siblings
in the baptisms which will be time consuming but perhaps necessary.

 

Three of the four names of Barbara's parents are consistent (Andre and Maria
Correia) I am about to write of the marriage record from 1709 as a onetime
mistake in writing Teixeira, any thoughts on this?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Sebastiao, PD Parents of Barbara Correia Records from 1661 to 1709

2014-01-20 Thread JR
I think you should conclude that Andre Rodrigues has two names, Rodrigues 
or Teixeira, even if you don't see the Teixeira again. Of course it can be 
a mistake, but if the records permit, I think you will find it more likely 
that Teixeira is part of Andre's heritage. I have run into too many cases 
like this. It looks to me like a line from Santa Maria, where Faleira is 
more common and perhaps originated.

JR

On Monday, January 20, 2014 11:00:43 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel 
wrote:

 *Hi All *

  

 *I am trying to find the marriage of the parents of Barbara Correia. The 
 marriage record below shows on line 12 her father’s name as Andre **Tsixya 
 ** (I believe is Teixeira) and her mother is Maria Correia. This record 
 also states that Manuel de Sousa and Barbara Correia are from the parish of 
 Sao Sebastiao.*

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724_item1/P7.html
  
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724_item1/P7.html
   
 Right side*

  

  

 *After much searching I found the following baptism in 1671. Fathers name 
 is given as Andre Rodrigues and mother as Maria Correia. I did find the 
 death of Barbara in 1754 and her age was given as 60 years more or less 
 which makes this date off by 13 years. This is the closest I came with the 
 names. *

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685_item1/P77.html
  
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685_item1/P77.html
   
 Second on left*

  

  

 *This record is the marriage in 1661 of Andre Rodrigues and Maria Correia. 
 If anyone can figure the date out on this record it would help. Is seems 
 all scrambled up the record before is 9 Jun 1661 and the record after is 11 
 Jul 1661.*

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P63.html
  
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P63.html
  
 Upper right side*

  

 *After much searching of the records I found no other Maria Correia 
 married to and Andre other than Andre Rodrigues (and what I believe is 
 Andre Teixeira in the first record above). I still need to look for any 
 siblings in the baptisms which will be time consuming but perhaps 
 necessary.*

  

 *Three of the four names of Barbara’s parents are consistent (Andre and 
 Maria Correia) I am about to write of the marriage record from 1709 as a 
 onetime mistake in writing Teixeira, any thoughts on this?*

  

 *Rick*

  

 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*

  

  


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Marriage record for Ana Bernarda Estalano Nunes Teixeira AND Baptism record for Ana's son, Daniel

2014-01-20 Thread Dano
You can check CCA to see if anything else was recorded for Daniel under the 
Legitimacoes or Perfiliacoes.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

2014-01-20 Thread Bill Boyd
Pam,

Yes, it comes and goes.  For a time, recently, I could view my ancestry sourced 
records.  I thought, wow, they are finally getting a clue!.  Then, about two 
weeks ago, it stopped working again.  They are very inconsistent.  If I pay to 
access records, they should remain open to me through their interface.

The one that really gets me is that they charge for access to member posted 
content.  I recently found the probate records for my great great grandfather 
(he died intestate).  This has been key since we have no other records 
indicating his death.  The final settlement includes all living children and 
the children of those that had already passed (if they had heirs).  A real boon 
for researchers!  In any case, the records came from FamilySearch and were 
free.  They were NOT indexed and it took me a while of cross referencing to 
find them (I'm still missing one inventory, but that's another story).  So, I 
post this to Ancestry.com.  Anybody who wants to add these records MUST be a 
paying subscriber.  In effect, Ancestry is reselling my work.  My results will 
show up in searches for William Hardin Hickman, but they must pay to see my 
translation and attach the record.  This really burns me!  Not only do I not 
get access to other records, but I
 must pay to collaborate with other researchers on Ancestry.  Makes me mad 
enough to take my tree private!  I really need to find an easy way to post my 
full tree, with records, for public consumption.

Sorry, I get a bit hot about Ancestry.com even though I'm a user.

Bill





On Monday, January 20, 2014 1:41 PM, Pam Santos pamsanto...@gmail.com wrote:
 
They must of changed it because before you could view it. But doesn't matter as 
long as you merge the document (census) to you family tree maker you can always 
view it. But still they shouldn't restrict you from viewing something that you 
paid for when you were subscribed.


* This is a big one!  If you don't have a subscription with Ancestry, they 
will not let you view records you have ALREADY attached. This bugs me to no 
end!  They will, however, continue to sell your pictures and records to only 
subscribers. So, the sync with FTM gives you access to your Ancestry records 
when not subscribed. 




On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:19 AM, Bill Boyd want2beuni...@yahoo.com wrote:

I use both Ancestry and Family Tree Maker. Cheri is correct for the overall, 
but there are some things to be aware of:


* The sync doesn't get everything on ancestry. For example, all of the data 
associated with documents and headstones does not come down to FTM. If I have 
text in the translation field on ancestry, it never appears in FTM. 


* Things change more frequently in the cloud (Ancestry). They are very 
regularly trying new things. Some things disappear completely. For example, I 
spent a lot of time tagging faces in pictures only to have the feature, and 
data, disappear. Better to just describe in notes. 


* They are constantly breaking the sync feature. This generally corrupts the 
FTM file. I don't mind as much since my master is always the cloud copy. 


* As Cheri states, I like owning the data. Should Ancestry disappear or 
crash, I can continue (with diminished data). Also, I periodically let my 
subscription expire and turn to free services. It forces me to look elsewhere 
for a time. I find newspapers and browsing images on familysearch very 
worthwhile. 


* This is a big one!  If you don't have a subscription with Ancestry, they 
will not let you view records you have ALREADY attached. This bugs me to no 
end!  They will, however, continue to sell your pictures and records to only 
subscribers. So, the sync with FTM gives you access to your Ancestry records 
when not subscribed. 


* Try the different Ancestry access points (web, iPhone, Android) every now 
and then. They often screw up security on upgrades and provide free record 
access for a time.  Also, the iPhone (right now) allows individual record 
purchases for $1.99. Not cheap, butter better than paying for a month for 1 
or 2 records. 


* Some records are FREE no matter you subscription status. No, Ancestry does 
not make it obvious which records!  Anything from the 1940 census, find a 
grave, billion graves, and many others, are always free. You'll have to 
develop a list. If you select a premium record, just back up from the prompt 
to subscribe. 


Good luck!


Regards,

Bill

On Jan 20, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:


On Ancestry, you can keep your genealogy in the cloud, on their servers. With 
Family Tree Maker, you will have your own genealogy software on your computer 
(back it up yourself). It has a lot more bells and whistles than Ancestry. It 
can also sync with Ancestry as well.
Cheri
On Jan 20, 2014 9:04 AM, Adair Borba adair1...@icloud.com wrote:

I have a membership to Ancestry.com and for the most part seem to have 
expired the available data.  Is Family Tree Maker just an enhancement 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

2014-01-20 Thread Rodney Figueiredo
I should point out that you can view saved records now.  I dont know if its 
intentional, but you can now view and save records in story view.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Sebastiao, PD Parents of Barbara Correia Records from 1661 to 1709

2014-01-20 Thread Pam Santos
I think the entry before his is the 19 Jun 1661


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote:

 I think you should conclude that Andre Rodrigues has two names, Rodrigues
 or Teixeira, even if you don't see the Teixeira again. Of course it can be
 a mistake, but if the records permit, I think you will find it more likely
 that Teixeira is part of Andre's heritage. I have run into too many cases
 like this. It looks to me like a line from Santa Maria, where Faleira is
 more common and perhaps originated.

 JR


 On Monday, January 20, 2014 11:00:43 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel
 wrote:

 *Hi All *



 *I am trying to find the marriage of the parents of Barbara Correia. The
 marriage record below shows on line 12 her father’s name as Andre **Tsixya
 ** (I believe is Teixeira) and her mother is Maria Correia. This record
 also states that Manuel de Sousa and Barbara Correia are from the parish of
 Sao Sebastiao.*

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724_item1/P7.html
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724_item1/P7.html
 Right side*





 *After much searching I found the following baptism in 1671. Fathers name
 is given as Andre Rodrigues and mother as Maria Correia. I did find the
 death of Barbara in 1754 and her age was given as 60 years more or less
 which makes this date off by 13 years. This is the closest I came with the
 names. *

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685_item1/P77.html
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685_item1/P77.html
 Second on left*





 *This record is the marriage in 1661 of Andre Rodrigues and Maria
 Correia. If anyone can figure the date out on this record it would help. Is
 seems all scrambled up the record before is 9 Jun 1661 and the record after
 is 11 Jul 1661.*

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P63.html
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P63.html
 Upper right side*



 *After much searching of the records I found no other Maria Correia
 married to and Andre other than Andre Rodrigues (and what I believe is
 Andre Teixeira in the first record above). I still need to look for any
 siblings in the baptisms which will be time consuming but perhaps
 necessary.*



 *Three of the four names of Barbara’s parents are consistent (Andre and
 Maria Correia) I am about to write of the marriage record from 1709 as a
 onetime mistake in writing Teixeira, any thoughts on this?*



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Tree Maker

2014-01-20 Thread Pam Santos
I emailed them and complained lol  Yeah my tree is private you can also
block it from coming up in others search. I do not do that. I had 2 other
trees on there and removed them a few months ago.


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 I should point out that you can view saved records now.  I dont know if
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Sebastiao, PD Parents of Barbara Correia Records from 1661 to 1709

2014-01-20 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel
Thanks Pam,

 

I see that now the writer separated the word in the middle of the line. Most
writers combine them.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Pam Santos
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 10:42 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Sebastiao, PD Parents of Barbara
Correia Records from 1661 to 1709

 

I think the entry before his is the 19 Jun 1661

 

On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote:

I think you should conclude that Andre Rodrigues has two names, Rodrigues or
Teixeira, even if you don't see the Teixeira again. Of course it can be a
mistake, but if the records permit, I think you will find it more likely
that Teixeira is part of Andre's heritage. I have run into too many cases
like this. It looks to me like a line from Santa Maria, where Faleira is
more common and perhaps originated.

 

JR



On Monday, January 20, 2014 11:00:43 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel
wrote:

Hi All 

 

I am trying to find the marriage of the parents of Barbara Correia. The
marriage record below shows on line 12 her father's name as Andre Tsixya  (I
believe is Teixeira) and her mother is Maria Correia. This record also
states that Manuel de Sousa and Barbara Correia are from the parish of Sao
Sebastiao.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1
708-1724/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724_item1/P7.html  Right side

 

 

After much searching I found the following baptism in 1671. Fathers name is
given as Andre Rodrigues and mother as Maria Correia. I did find the death
of Barbara in 1754 and her age was given as 60 years more or less which
makes this date off by 13 years. This is the closest I came with the names. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1
663-1685/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685_item1/P77.html  Second on left

 

 

This record is the marriage in 1661 of Andre Rodrigues and Maria Correia. If
anyone can figure the date out on this record it would help. Is seems all
scrambled up the record before is 9 Jun 1661 and the record after is 11 Jul
1661.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1
650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P63.html Upper right side

 

After much searching of the records I found no other Maria Correia married
to and Andre other than Andre Rodrigues (and what I believe is Andre
Teixeira in the first record above). I still need to look for any siblings
in the baptisms which will be time consuming but perhaps necessary.

 

Three of the four names of Barbara's parents are consistent (Andre and Maria
Correia) I am about to write of the marriage record from 1709 as a onetime
mistake in writing Teixeira, any thoughts on this?

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Sebastiao, PD Parents of Barbara Correia Records from 1661 to 1709

2014-01-20 Thread Pam Santos
Your welcome


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net wrote:

 *Thanks Pam,*



 * I see that now the writer separated the word in the middle of the line.
 Most writers combine them.*



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*





 *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Pam Santos
 *Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2014 10:42 PM
 *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Sao Sebastiao, PD Parents of
 Barbara Correia Records from 1661 to 1709



 I think the entry before his is the 19 Jun 1661



 On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 8:28 PM, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote:

 I think you should conclude that Andre Rodrigues has two names, Rodrigues
 or Teixeira, even if you don't see the Teixeira again. Of course it can be
 a mistake, but if the records permit, I think you will find it more likely
 that Teixeira is part of Andre's heritage. I have run into too many cases
 like this. It looks to me like a line from Santa Maria, where Faleira is
 more common and perhaps originated.



 JR



 On Monday, January 20, 2014 11:00:43 PM UTC-5, Richard Francis Pimentel
 wrote:

 *Hi All *



 *I am trying to find the marriage of the parents of Barbara Correia. The
 marriage record below shows on line 12 her father’s name as Andre Tsixya
  (I believe is Teixeira) and her mother is Maria Correia. This record also
 states that Manuel de Sousa and Barbara Correia are from the parish of Sao
 Sebastiao.*

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724_item1/P7.html
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1708-1724_item1/P7.html
 Right side*





 *After much searching I found the following baptism in 1671. Fathers name
 is given as Andre Rodrigues and mother as Maria Correia. I did find the
 death of Barbara in 1754 and her age was given as 60 years more or less
 which makes this date off by 13 years. This is the closest I came with the
 names. *

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685_item1/P77.html
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1663-1685_item1/P77.html
 Second on left*





 *This record is the marriage in 1661 of Andre Rodrigues and Maria Correia.
 If anyone can figure the date out on this record it would help. Is seems
 all scrambled up the record before is 9 Jun 1661 and the record after is 11
 Jul 1661.*

 *http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P63.html
 http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1650-1677_item1/P63.html
 Upper right side*



 *After much searching of the records I found no other Maria Correia
 married to and Andre other than Andre Rodrigues (and what I believe is
 Andre Teixeira in the first record above). I still need to look for any
 siblings in the baptisms which will be time consuming but perhaps
 necessary.*



 *Three of the four names of Barbara’s parents are consistent (Andre and
 Maria Correia) I am about to write of the marriage record from 1709 as a
 onetime mistake in writing Teixeira, any thoughts on this?*



 *Rick*



 *Richard Francis Pimentel*

 *Spring, TX*





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