RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname - HOMEM

[pico]

It just occurred to me that maybe some named Homem did change it by translating the name to MANN.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname - HOMEM
From: Lionel Holmes 
Date: Sat, March 15, 2014 8:22 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Re Holmes and Homem. My uncle, from Teceira, Jacinto Leal daRocha Homem, was the first to immigrate to the US. He served with US forces in World War I, and was active in the American Legion, being Commander of the Oakland chapter..  It was he who changed the name to Holmes, and when the rest of the family came over, including my father Manuel, they all changed to Holmes.  Why Holmes I don't know. Why not Man, which is what Homem translates to. The name change was quite gradual. As noted in my  book, "Portuguese Pioneers of the Sacramento Area,"  the Sacramento City Directory for 1908 lists Jacinto R. Homem. The 1909 directory lists Jesse R. Homem. The 1911 directory lists Jesse R. Holmes. Lionel Rocha Holmes  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname - HOMEM

[Lionel Holmes]

Re Holmes and Homem. My uncle, from Teceira, Jacinto Leal daRocha Homem,
was the first to immigrate to the US. He served with US forces in World War
I, and was active in the American Legion, being Commander of the Oakland
chapter..  It was he who changed the name to Holmes, and when the rest of
the family came over, including my father Manuel, they all changed to
Holmes.  Why Holmes I don't know. Why not Man, which is what Homem
translates to. The name change was quite gradual. As noted in my  book,
"Portuguese Pioneers of the Sacramento Area,"  the Sacramento City
Directory for 1908 lists Jacinto R. Homem. The 1909 directory lists Jesse
R. Homem. The 1911 directory lists Jesse R. Holmes.

Lionel Rocha Holmes


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 5:46 PM,  wrote:

> HOMEM is common on Pico and Terceira.
> HOMEM da COSTA is a common combination.
>
> I get my name Holmes from Homem. It is commonly misspelled as HOMEN
> because when properly pronounced the end has sort of a ENG or EN ending.
> Plus, the H is silent, so the whole thing is like OMENG or OMEN. I'm sure
> there are variations depending on which island.
>
> Many named Homem on Faial trace back to Pico. And I believe most from Pico
> trace back to Terceira.
>
> There is a statue for Alvaro Martins Homem (I believe that's his name, but
> I'm not looking at any reference) who was one of the original settlers on
> Terceira. This is located close to the civil registry in the city of Angra,
> Terceira.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname
> From: Bryan Rodrigues 
> Date: Sat, March 15, 2014 5:07 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> My great grandmother who was born in Faial had the surname Homem. I had
> never heard the name or met anyone with the name before coming across it in
> family records but apparently it's common. There was a family of famous
> cartographers in the 1500s with the last name. I wonder if we are
> descendants. Lopo Homem and his son Diogo Homem and nephew Andreas Homem
> are the most well known of the family. Diogo's work is by far the best of
> the age. You can even buy a reproduction of his most famous work, but it
> isn't cheap .
> Diogo apparently lived a fugitive's life after killing someone in a fight.
> He went to England and then eventually to Venice. Other than that it's hard
> to find any information on him but the family's maps live on. I don't know
> if they lived in the Azores but they were certainly Portuguese.
>
> On Monday, June 21, 2010 5:38:35 PM UTC-4, Jacki G. wrote:
>>
>>  Has any of you heard of the surname "Homem"?   I came accross this name
>> in my research of family in Cedros, Faial and I have never heard that name
>> before.
>>
>>  Thank you
>>
>> Jacki
>> Pittsburg, California, USA
>> Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo,
>> Furtado, Rapoza
>> Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
>>
>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname - HOMEM

[pico]

HOMEM is common on Pico and Terceira.HOMEM da COSTA is a common combination.I get my name Holmes from Homem. It is commonly misspelled as HOMEN because when properly pronounced the end has sort of a ENG or EN ending. Plus, the H is silent, so the whole thing is like OMENG or OMEN. I'm sure there are variations depending on which island.Many named Homem on Faial trace back to Pico. And I believe most from Pico trace back to Terceira.There is a statue for Alvaro Martins Homem (I believe that's his name, but I'm not looking at any reference) who was one of the original settlers on Terceira. This is located close to the civil registry in the city of Angra, Terceira.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname
From: Bryan Rodrigues 
Date: Sat, March 15, 2014 5:07 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

My great grandmother who was born in Faial had the surname Homem. I had never heard the name or met anyone with the name before coming across it in family records but apparently it's common. There was a family of famous cartographers in the 1500s with the last name. I wonder if we are descendants. Lopo Homem and his son Diogo Homem and nephew Andreas Homem are the most well known of the family. Diogo's work is by far the best of the age. You can even buy a reproduction of his most famous work, but it isn't cheap. Diogo apparently lived a fugitive's life after killing someone in a fight. He went to England and then eventually to Venice. Other than that it's hard to find any information on him but the family's maps live on. I don't know if they lived in the Azores but they were certainly Portuguese.On Monday, June 21, 2010 5:38:35 PM UTC-4, Jacki G. wrote:  Has any of you heard of the surname "Homem"?   I came accross this name in my research of family in Cedros, Faial and I have never heard that name before.      Thank you   Jacki Pittsburg, California, USA Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo, Furtado, Rapoza Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel   





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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Unfamiliar Surname

[Bryan Rodrigues]

My great grandmother who was born in Faial had the surname Homem. I had 
never heard the name or met anyone with the name before coming across it in 
family records but apparently it's common. There was a family of famous 
cartographers in the 1500s with the last name. I wonder if we are 
descendants. Lopo Homem and his son Diogo Homem and nephew Andreas Homem 
are the most well known of the family. Diogo's work is by far the best of 
the age. You can even buy a reproduction of his most famous work, but it 
isn't cheap . 
Diogo apparently lived a fugitive's life after killing someone in a fight. 
He went to England and then eventually to Venice. Other than that it's hard 
to find any information on him but the family's maps live on. I don't know 
if they lived in the Azores but they were certainly Portuguese.

On Monday, June 21, 2010 5:38:35 PM UTC-4, Jacki G. wrote:
>
>  Has any of you heard of the surname "Homem"?   I came accross this name 
> in my research of family in Cedros, Faial and I have never heard that name 
> before. 
>  
>  Thank you
>  
> Jacki
> Pittsburg, California, USA
> Researching: Medeiros, Fernandes, Pacheco, Machado, Perriera, Azevedo, 
> Furtado, Rapoza
> Islands: Faial & Sao Miguel
>  
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cabral/Pimentel and Da Costa/Pimentel Probably Cousins

[Pam Santos]

Your welcome good luck.


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Herb  wrote:

> Pam I saw this marriage too and sort of dismissed it because the name was
> Soares. It's possible she used Pimentel too like you say. I will check that
> angle especially if nothing else turns up. Thanks a lot. Herb
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ships

[Cheri Mello]

Antonio R,

Yes, emigration out of the Azores are the Passaportes book.  The port of
Ponta Delgada, on Sao Miguel island is online at the CCA site:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/

The direct URL to the Passaportes is:
http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/passaportes/Default.aspx

Pick Ponta Delgada from the drop down menu, then OK, then find the record
group that contains 1915.

Good luck and happy hunting,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Ships

[Antonio Roque]

Is there a place to look for the ships that left S. Miguel in 1915 and 
where they were destined to?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Marriage Record of Manuel da Costa and Filomena da Conceicao (around 1863)

[Joseph Costa]

Now I’m on a search for Manuel’s father Francisco Jose (Feitor) da Costa. 
 Thank you for the marriage record.  In the margin of the record, I believe 
it says that Francisco was 25 and Maria de Jesus was 18.   This would mean 
that he would have been born around 1791.   I searched through all of the 
Matriz birth records from 1786 through 1799 and I couldn’t find him.  I 
also looked in Sao Pedro.  Will keep hunting..

On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 10:53:59 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:
>
> Hi Joseph,
>
> The information you entered was very limited, it would be nice if you 
> could post the 1864 and the 1869 birth record links.  However I took a peak 
> at the indices and did find a birth record for a child by the name of 
> Antonio born to Manuel da Costa and Filomena Augusta da Conceicao which 
> leads me to believe this may be your couple.  Does the surname "Feitor" 
> mean anything to you?
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1885-1889/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1885-1889_item1/P79.html
>   
>
> I did not find their marriage record under Costa or Feitor.  It is 
> possible the bride may have been from a different place where the marriage 
> took place.  Did find Manuel's parents marriage record I in 1816.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1812-1820/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1812-1820_item1/P47.html
>
> Check it out,
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 8:14 PM, JR >wrote:
>
>> Well, I have a couple of suggestions. You may have to the nearby 
>> villages, such as Ribeira das Tainhas and Agua de Pau, Agua de Alto. They 
>> are adjacent to Vila Franca. Have you checked that Manuel da Costa may go 
>> by another name. Filomena is much rarer in pre-1900's, but sometimes may 
>> actually be Maria Filomena. 
>>
>> In the period between about 1860 forward, grandparents were listed in 
>> marriages and baptisms. What do those documents say?
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 12, 2014 9:28:47 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone.
>>>
>>> I'm loving the new indices that Matriz, VFDC uploaded for births, 
>>> marriages and deaths!
>>>
>>> Along those lines, I've been searching for the marriage record of my 2nd 
>>> great grandparents, Manuel da Costa and Filomena da Conceicao (also known 
>>> as Filomena Augusta).  According to the birth record of their son Jose 
>>> (first born of that name) from December 1864 at Matriz VFDC, the two of 
>>> them were natives of Matriz and were married there (it says that).  I also 
>>> have the birth records of their twin daughters, Maria and Jacinta from 
>>> 1869.  
>>>
>>> I have searched high and low  for their marriage record at Matriz before 
>>> the indices came out.  Now that the indices have been uploaded their 
>>> marriage doesn't appear in it at all for any year.  There is a Manuel da 
>>> Costa and Filomena da Conceicao in the 1890's, but it can't be them.   I 
>>> also searched Sao Pedro.no luck there either.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts on how I should approach this?  Is it possible that it was 
>>> just a civil ceremony?  Wouldn't that have been frowned upon back then?
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cabral/Pimentel and Da Costa/Pimentel Probably Cousins

[Herb]

Pam I saw this marriage too and sort of dismissed it because the name was 
Soares. It's possible she used Pimentel too like you say. I will check that 
angle especially if nothing else turns up. Thanks a lot. Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cabral/Pimentel and Da Costa/Pimentel Probably Cousins

[Pam Santos]

This might be Pedro's marriage and  Maria used Soares when married but then
used Pimentel from her mother in later records.I would check other baptism
for kids they had to see if it list grandparents.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815_item1/P25.html


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Herb  wrote:

> I think my spell checker went crazy and changed Nordeste to Northeast on
> some programs depending on what's on your computers
>
>
> On Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:56:03 AM UTC-4, Herb wrote:
>
>> Does anyone have any information on marriages of  Pedro Cabral and Maria
>> de Pimentel or Joao da Costa and Sabena de Pimentel. Their children Jose
>> Cabral and Barbara Pimentel married in Igreja de  Sao Jorge  Nordeste, Sao
>> Miguel on 8 June 1814 . http://culturacores.azores.
>> gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815/SMG-
>> ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815_item1/P224.html, CCA # 224.
>>
>> I've searched  all the  marriage  records for Nordeste  from 1768 to
>> 1814.  The marriage record of Pedro and Maria  does say that the parents
>> were from the same Matriz of Sao Jorge "naturais e freguezes dest dita
>> Matriz" and I know what that means,  but  I have not been able to located
>> them after multiple sweeps through all the records
>>
>>
>> thanks for any help.  They would be my  grandparents
>>
>> Herb
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: A True Portuguese Success Story - How Proud We All Should Be

[Anne Snyder]

Yes, what an inspiring story!!  How was he able to accomplish all that with 
practically no vision?
Anne Snyder
  - Original Message - 
  From: Isabella Baltar 
  To: azores@googlegroups.com 
  Cc: azores 
  Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 4:06 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: A True Portuguese Success Story - How Proud 
We All Should Be


  Thanks for sharing. It is really moving.


  Isabella Baltar
  myportuguesegen.blogspot.com

  On Friday, March 14, 2014 4:30:21 PM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote:
Fellow Listers,


Please read the attached.  It will warm your hearts and make you feel proud 
of your Portuguese heritage and the success of this wonderful individual.  



http://www.allgov.com/usa/ca/news/appointments-and-resignations/director-of-the-department-of-rehabilitation-who-is-joe-xavier-140314?news=852677


"E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Familias Faialenses by Marcelino Lima

[Steve]

You can do a full-text search of the book at

http://hdl.handle.net/2027/njp.32101007628793

This is the permanent link at HathiTrust, so I have not url-shortened it.

You can download rtf excerpts for translation or pdf page by page, but you 
need a "partner log-in" to download the entire book.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familias Faialenses by Marcelino Lima

[MaryAnn Santos]

Yes, it's really convenient!

MaryAnn


On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 12:06 PM, rcapodc  wrote:

>   Wow, MaryAnn, that's marvelous! Finally books that have been
> out-of-print for years are being made available to the masses! Hopefully,
> they will get many more online for us all to use.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>  *From:* MaryAnn Santos 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:36 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familias Faialenses by Marcelino Lima
>
>  If you type in Saudades da Terra the volumes for Sao Miguel and Madeira
> come up.
>
> MaryAnn
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:04 PM, rcapodc  wrote:
>
>>   I was just on the U of Michigan site, www.hathitrust.org, to look at
>> the above named book for some info. I put in the name Vieira just to do
>> some checking and a message came up that the book is being *INDEXED!!!*This 
>> is so great! The message says that it is almost complete so keep
>> checking the site in the future. This book about families of Faial has many
>> connections to families on other of the Azores Islands. It is all in
>> Portuguese but it is really not very hard to follow the numbering system
>> that is used. They use only letters for the events N=Naceu=born,
>> C=casou=married and M=morreu=died. To try and translate the paragraphs
>> written after the genealogy on a particular family, you will have to use
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familias Faialenses by Marcelino Lima

[rcapodc]

Wow, MaryAnn, that’s marvelous! Finally books that have been out-of-print for 
years are being made available to the masses! Hopefully, they will get many 
more online for us all to use. 

Rosemarie 


From: MaryAnn Santos 
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:36 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familias Faialenses by Marcelino Lima

If you type in Saudades da Terra the volumes for Sao Miguel and Madeira come 
up. 

MaryAnn



On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:04 PM, rcapodc  wrote:

  I was just on the U of Michigan site, www.hathitrust.org, to look at the 
above named book for some info. I put in the name Vieira just to do some 
checking and a message came up that the book is being INDEXED!!! This is so 
great! The message says that it is almost complete so keep checking the site in 
the future. This book about families of Faial has many connections to families 
on other of the Azores Islands. It is all in Portuguese but it is really not 
very hard to follow the numbering system that is used. They use only letters 
for the events N=Naceu=born, C=casou=married and M=morreu=died. To try and 
translate the paragraphs written after the genealogy on a particular family, 
you will have to use Google Translate or some other translating program. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Cabral/Pimentel and Da Costa/Pimentel Probably Cousins

[Herb]

I think my spell checker went crazy and changed Nordeste to Northeast on 
some programs depending on what's on your computers


On Saturday, March 15, 2014 9:56:03 AM UTC-4, Herb wrote:

> Does anyone have any information on marriages of  Pedro Cabral and Maria 
> de Pimentel or Joao da Costa and Sabena de Pimentel. Their children Jose 
> Cabral and Barbara Pimentel married in Igreja de  Sao Jorge  Nordeste, Sao 
> Miguel on 8 June 1814 . 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815_item1/P224.html,
>  
> CCA # 224.
>
> I've searched  all the  marriage  records for Nordeste  from 1768 to 
> 1814.  The marriage record of Pedro and Maria  does say that the parents 
> were from the same Matriz of Sao Jorge "naturais e freguezes dest dita 
> Matriz" and I know what that means,  but  I have not been able to located 
> them after multiple sweeps through all the records
>
>
> thanks for any help.  They would be my  grandparents 
>
> Herb
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Cabral/Pimentel and Da Costa/Pimentel Probably Cousins

[Herb]

Does anyone have any information on marriages of  Pedro Cabral and Maria de 
Pimentel or Joao da Costa and Sabena de Pimentel. Their children Jose 
Cabral and Barbara Pimentel married in Igreja de  Sao Jorge  Nordeste, Sao 
Miguel on 8 June 1814 . 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815/SMG-ND-SAOJORGE-C-1783-1815_item1/P224.html,
 
CCA # 224.

I've searched  all the  marriage  records for Nordeste  from 1768 to 1814.  
The marriage record of Pedro and Maria  does say that the parents were from 
the same Matriz of Sao Jorge "naturais e freguezes dest dita Matriz" and I 
know what that means,  but  I have not been able to located them after 
multiple sweeps through all the records


thanks for any help.  They would be my  grandparents 

Herb

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familias Faialenses by Marcelino Lima

[MaryAnn Santos]

If you type in Saudades da Terra the volumes for Sao Miguel and Madeira
come up.

MaryAnn


On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 7:04 PM, rcapodc  wrote:

>   I was just on the U of Michigan site, www.hathitrust.org, to look at
> the above named book for some info. I put in the name Vieira just to do
> some checking and a message came up that the book is being *INDEXED!!!*This 
> is so great! The message says that it is almost complete so keep
> checking the site in the future. This book about families of Faial has many
> connections to families on other of the Azores Islands. It is all in
> Portuguese but it is really not very hard to follow the numbering system
> that is used. They use only letters for the events N=Naceu=born,
> C=casou=married and M=morreu=died. To try and translate the paragraphs
> written after the genealogy on a particular family, you will have to use
> Google Translate or some other translating program.
>
> Rosemarie
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