Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Finding my great grandfather

2015-04-26 Thread John Vasconcelos
Gloria,
I think your explanation makes sense, (Flores belonging to the Horta
District and being referenced that way often).
John Vasconcelos
(Parents both from Flores)

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Gloria Arlette Rodrigues 
suchislif...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Cheri,

 Yes I know Flores is an island and Horta is a city on the island of Faial.
 I also read that at one time the District of Horta was made up of 4 islands
 that included Flores. My grandfather insisted it was Flores Horta so I am
 just repeating what he always said. Thought maybe he knew something that I
 didn”t. There were American whaling ships with Portuguese workers that went
 to Hawaii. From which island my grandfather left, I don’t know. Sorry, the
 years: Born: 1852 or 1853. If you happen to come across anything please let
 me know. Thank you so much for the info. I will surely check it out!!!

 Gloria Rodrigues

 On Apr 23, 2015, at 2:33 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:

 Gloria R,

 Flores is an island.  Horta is a city on the island of Faial.

 I don't think the whalers went to Hawaii.  The people who research Hawaii
 know best though.  To get to Hawaii from the Azores, you left from Ponta
 Delgada on the island of Sao Miguel or from Funchal on Madeira (Madeira is
 not part of the Azores).

 Also check your years.  Born 1952 or 1955 but died in 1919?  Did you mean
 1852 or 1855?

 A how to is here: goo.gl/Ds6UKd

 You also might want to look at the Portuguese Hawaiian site, Your Island
 Routes at www.yourislandroutes.com.  It's undergoing redesign, so some
 web link may not work.

 I'm not sure if the Portuguese Genealogical Society of Hawaii has a web
 site, but the president is on this list or you can contact him at dgnils at
 hotmail.com

 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
 Tainhas, Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Translator applications?

2015-04-26 Thread Mary Pimentel Wheeler
The recent discussion about the definition of alcunhas vs apelidos got me 
wonderingwhat are the best sites to use to assist with translating 
Portuguese sentences to English?  I've been using Google Translate because it's 
easy, but am wondering af there any that are more accurate, or that recognize 
some of the more archic words and phrases?   I'm curious what the list members 
use, or what they have found to be most accurate?

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translator applications?

2015-04-26 Thread Cheri Mello
I think all the online ones deal with modern (current) languages. Probably
not worth it for them to deal with the older forms or archaic languages.
Luckily, we have list members for that!

On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:54 AM, Mary Pimentel Wheeler pimwh...@gmail.com
wrote:

 The recent discussion about the definition of alcunhas vs apelidos got me
 wonderingwhat are the best sites to use to assist with translating
 Portuguese sentences to English?  I've been using Google Translate because
 it's easy, but am wondering af there any that are more accurate, or that
 recognize some of the more archic words and phrases?   I'm curious what the
 list members use, or what they have found to be most accurate?

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: DNA Day miniscule sale

2015-04-26 Thread Cheri Mello
(Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes)

The segment on CBS News Sunday Morning was about Vietnamese orphans and how
one woman found her mother's family in Vietnam and used DNA to confirm it
was them.

Cheri Mello
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with another Gomez Xapado/Chapado marriage - Rabo de Peixe

2015-04-26 Thread Lee
Wasn't actually looking for this but was pleased when I did find 
it.(Right Side, bottom record)

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700/SMG-RG-RABODEPEIXE-C-1674-1700_item1/P15.html

Need help with the marriage of Manoel Gomez Xapado (in the margin) Chapado 
(in the body of the record) and Anna Glz (Gonsalvez/Goncalvez??)

Manoel is the son of Manoel Gomez (defunto) and Catharina Alvares.

Anna is a daughter of Manoel Pires C??? and Beatriz Glz.  (her sister, 
Agada's marriage is above this one)

Looks the date of the marriage was May 4, 1681?

Can anyone decipher the full name of Anna's father?  And correct me on what 
her (Anna's/Agada/Beatriz) surname is?  Gonsalvez/Goncalvez - I get 
confused with the name.

I believe these may be the grandparents or great grandparents of my 
Francisco Gomez Xapado.

Thanks all!

Lee Estep
Oak Hill WV

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Day miniscule sale

2015-04-26 Thread robertjm
Awesome!! Thanks for the link Ken!

On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 10:59:28 AM UTC-7, Ken Waters wrote:

 I saw it on this morning's show. It was a very brief part of a much longer 
 segment. Most importantly it showed a true success story of how you can use 
 DNA to confirm (or negate) a suspected family connection. This one had a 
 heartwarming conclusion.

 Here's a link to the story and video: 
 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vietnam-orphans-search-for-their-roots/

 Ken


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaii native in Porto Formoso

2015-04-26 Thread JR
As a matter of fact I found two such cases in Porto Formoso and they may be 
Eliseu Pacheco's ancestors or related to his line.

JR

On Sunday, April 26, 2015 at 1:46:16 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:

 JR, 
 This really is a rarity.  The amount of people who went to Hawaii then 
 returned to the Azores is very slim.  When they left, they left for good.  
 It is very rare that I meet a Portuguese Hawaiian researcher whose 
 ancestors returned even for a trip.

 I think the city is Hilo (Hilo na ilha Hawaii)
 Mel




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip

2015-04-26 Thread 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy
Thanks Joao!  Hope all is well.  To add to your comments
The Portuguese side of the ATMs may not charge, but I did get charged on 
withdrawals from non-credit union banks (Banco Espírito Santo is my example).  
As to the extra functionality, you are correct, I was unable to charge my phone 
at the ATM and needed to go to a store.  Which is a good point concerning the 
phones.  If you do get a Portuguese SIM, it can be charged at the original 
store or you can go to many stores advertising the service.  You will want to 
keep your packaging with the SIM number on it for easy reference when charging.
Concerning the planes, my basic message is to take the delays with patience.  
We flew in and out of Terceira and had delays both ways.  Many of the seasoned 
travelers simply accepted the delay as a part of flying with SATA.  The delay 
on departure from the Azores was due to mechanical difficulties with the plane 
and they had to contract for another plane from Atlas Air.  It was a much 
larger plane and made the trip from Terceira to Oakland without the Toronto 
fueling stop.  We enjoyed the flight much more and got to spend almost two more 
days on Terceira.  Oh, we were able to see the bull fight in Altares with the 
extra time.  One of the unplanned highlights of our trip was working with the 
taxi driver to figure out where the event was (way out in the country) and then 
enjoying all of the people in the mountains with a view of Graciosa in the 
background.  So, things can work out even with the delays.  Just set 
expectations appropriately.  Here is a description of Altares if you happen to 
be there during their bull fight: Altares - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Best Regards,
Bill
 
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Just to complement on what Bill said.
In Portugal, because all the banks were Government owned in the 1980s when ATMs 
started to show up, they decided to create a separate company to run the ATM 
network. As a result, all the ATM machines in Portugal belong to this network, 
so the concept of charging for widthdrawals is simply alien to the 
Portuguese. There's no such thing, period. As a side-effect, these machines are 
also the best ATMs I've ever found in the world (yes, the average ATM in the 
deep Azores will probably be a lot better than the one from your US bank in the 
midst of SIlicon Valley). However, you'll probably not notice it, as all the 
advanced features require a Portuguese bank card. Foreign cards will probaly 
allow you to widthraw money and maybe charge your phones (and also maybe to buy 
train tickets - I highly doubt it will allow you to buy concert tickets). I 
highly advise against AMEX. Don't bother bringing one if you're coming to 
Europe. Make sure your card is Visa or Mastercard and you should be OK with our 
ATMs and in-store payment terminals.
As to SATA, the delays are really not their fault. Those are islands in the 
middle of the North Atlantic, if the winds go above a certain level, for your 
safety and theirs, they will simply not take off. Have some flexibility in your 
plans, and make sure that you make it to the island of your US return flight a 
few days in advance. Flying to and from Terceira is easier as the runway there 
is one of the largest in the Azores (it was designated as a Space Shuttle abort 
landing site), but do account for possible delays in your São Jorge / Pico 
connections.
João Ventura


On Wednesday, 22 April 2015 06:03:37 UTC+2, want2beunique wrote:
Lisa,
I took my first trip to the Azores last year in July.  We went to Graciosa 
(home island) and Terceira.  Here are some of my tips:
Finances:Get a credit card that does not charge foreign exchange fees.  One 
that has a chip is also advisable.  I got the Chase Saphire VISA and have been 
happy with it ever since.  We did not use travelers checks and I would not 
recommend them.  Also, do not buy Euro loaded VISA cards (pre-paid VISA).  I 
researched them and found them very poorly reviewed (unable to be used and 
drained of funds).  Be sure to talk to your bank.  Ask them if your ATM card 
can be used in Portugal.  Give them your travel dates to ensure you have no 
problems when traveling.  Also do the same for your credit card.  I found 
agriculture credit unions on Terceira and Graciosa which did not charge for 
withdrawals.  Your bank or credit union may be able to help with ATMs which you 
could utilize without charge.
Phone:We got our iPhones unlocked by Verizon.  With them being 

[AZORES-Genealogy] Correction of baptismal record

2015-04-26 Thread bsei2816
I posted this unusual record that has a margin note to correct the name and 
gender of the baby 41 years after the baptism (Francisco/a on left).

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1900-1911_item1/P5.html

At the time I thought the mistake went undiscovered for so long because she 
didn't need to certify her identity for something like a passport or 
marriage.  I was wrong.  I found her passport in Angra in 1920 (#134 on 
left).

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-TER-1916-1920_item1/P144.html

I also found a marriage in 1921 of a Francisca Dutra, daughter of Joe Dutra 
and Maria Spanica (Esperança?) in Manteca, CA.  I am pretty sure this is 
the same Francisca.

Now I wonder what might have triggered the 1941 discovery of the error from 
1900 and its subsequent correction.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with odd word?/name? in Rabo de Peixe marriage record

2015-04-26 Thread Lee
Margaret,

Your idea to do more research worked/helped.  I just found the death record of 
Francisca Tavres, mother of Francisco Gomez Xapado.  Per her obits, her husband 
FULL name was Francisco Gomez XAPADO.  Both men carried the same name.  I will 
keep s more didcerning look out for that name in the future.

Again, thanks!!

Lee

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip

2015-04-26 Thread 'Susan Murphy' via Azores Genealogy
Hello Bill,
I remember that I wrote to you last year before you went with some advice for 
taking young people to the AzoresI see now that we must have just missed 
you as we were on the flight that left one day early OUT of Oakland to Terceira 
(July 20) and were on the Atlas Air plane.  We got a call mid-week that our 
plane would not be leaving on the Monday but on Sundaywhich took a little 
shuffling. We did end up enjoying the extra time on Terceira but on the way 
back home, our plane started to have mechanical problems when we were way out 
on the oceanI have never been so scared!  We had to turn back and then 
circle for quite awhile to burn off fuel. Sata put us up in a great place 
Quinta do Martelo, so there was a silver lining, but not sure if I am over the 
scare yet!  Some of us fell asleep after the plane took off and woke up to the 
realization that there was something very wrong. Our little ten year old 
grandson smiled and said Oh yeah, we are going back!!.the bliss of youth! 
 I hear that there are other airlines going in there now which I think will be 
a good thing!  

Good tips on the SIM card, I have never figured that one out. It would have 
been nice to have a phone sometimes. We just accessed our email and the web 
when we were in the hotels or anyplace  free wifi.  We had the same experience 
with American Expressalmost no one took it. Our Visa was usually good 
except sometimes my husband was convinced that it was not that it did not work, 
but that they really wanted cash instead:) 

I think the bulls on a rope pretty much run all summer, not just in 
Altaresyou just have to find out what town will be having the festivities. 
We have always managed to see one on the several trips that we have made. 
Finding a safe  place to view this can be trickywe have had help from both 
taxi drivers and twice from a wonderful guide that we hired, Mario Rego, on 
Terceira. 

As you say Bill.you just have to hang loose and be flexibleit all works 
out in the end:)

Susan Vargas Murphy

On Apr 26, 2015, at 11:32 AM, 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy 
azores@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Thanks Joao!  Hope all is well.  To add to your comments
 
 The Portuguese side of the ATMs may not charge, but I did get charged on 
 withdrawals from non-credit union banks (Banco Espírito Santo is my example). 
  As to the extra functionality, you are correct, I was unable to charge my 
 phone at the ATM and needed to go to a store.  Which is a good point 
 concerning the phones.  If you do get a Portuguese SIM, it can be charged at 
 the original store or you can go to many stores advertising the service.  You 
 will want to keep your packaging with the SIM number on it for easy reference 
 when charging.
 
 Concerning the planes, my basic message is to take the delays with patience.  
 We flew in and out of Terceira and had delays both ways.  Many of the 
 seasoned travelers simply accepted the delay as a part of flying with SATA.  
 The delay on departure from the Azores was due to mechanical difficulties 
 with the plane and they had to contract for another plane from Atlas Air.  It 
 was a much larger plane and made the trip from Terceira to Oakland without 
 the Toronto fueling stop.  We enjoyed the flight much more and got to spend 
 almost two more days on Terceira.  Oh, we were able to see the bull fight in 
 Altares with the extra time.  One of the unplanned highlights of our trip was 
 working with the taxi driver to figure out where the event was (way out in 
 the country) and then enjoying all of the people in the mountains with a view 
 of Graciosa in the background.  So, things can work out even with the delays. 
  Just set expectations appropriately.  Here is a description of Altares if 
 you happen to be there during their bull fight: Altares - Wikipedia, the free 
 encyclopedia
  
  
 
  
  
  
  
  
 Altares - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 Altares is a civil parish in the municipality of Angra do Heroísmo on the 
 Portuguese island of Terceira in the archipelago of the Azores. The 
 population in 2011 was...
 View on en.wikipedia.org
 Preview by Yahoo
  
  
 Best Regards,
 
 Bill
 
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 Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 12:25 AM
 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Azores Trip
 
 Just to complement on what Bill said.
 
 In Portugal, because all the banks were Government owned in the 1980s when 
 ATMs started to show up, they decided to create a separate company to run the 
 ATM network. As a result, all the ATM machines in Portugal belong to this 
 network, so the concept of charging for widthdrawals is simply alien to the 
 Portuguese. There's no such thing, period. As a side-effect, these machines 
 are also the best ATMs I've ever found in the world (yes, the average ATM in 
 the deep Azores will probably be a lot better than the one from your 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with odd word?/name? in Rabo de Peixe marriage record

2015-04-26 Thread mnk
Hey Cheri! You mentioned the viola which suddenly triggered the memory that I 
have an uncle by marriage from that family in Vila Franca! I will contact my 
cousin to get the names of his grandparents on that side of the family, they 
might be related to you.
Maria Natalia

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[AZORES-Genealogy] DNA Day miniscule sale

2015-04-26 Thread Ken Waters
I saw it on this morning's show. It was a very brief part of a much longer
segment. Most importantly it showed a true success story of how you can use
DNA to confirm (or negate) a suspected family connection. This one had a
heartwarming conclusion.

Here's a link to the story and video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vietnam-orphans-search-for-their-roots/

Ken

On Friday, April 24, 2015, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gfsche...@gmail.com'); wrote:

 (Cross posted to Azores, Madeira, and Island Routes lists)

 The only thing FTDNA put on sale for DNA Day is the Big Y, which is a
 completely anthropological test for males.  There is no support for it
 currently, so if you chose to do this, be prepared to do A LOT of research
 on your own.

 They promised a good summer sale and said to turn into CBS Sunday Morning
 for a special DNA segment.  I don't have CBS Sunday Morning in my area, but
 I have CBS News Sunday Morning so I'm guessing this is what they meant.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Hawaii native in Porto Formoso

2015-04-26 Thread IslandRoutes
JR, 
This really is a rarity.  The amount of people who went to Hawaii then 
returned to the Azores is very slim.  When they left, they left for good.  
It is very rare that I meet a Portuguese Hawaiian researcher whose 
ancestors returned even for a trip.

I think the city is Hilo (Hilo na ilha Hawaii)
Mel


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with odd word?/name? in Rabo de Peixe marriage record

2015-04-26 Thread 'Joao S. Lopes' via Azores Genealogy
In modern Portuguese, chapado, from chapa plate 


 Em Domingo, 26 de Abril de 2015 15:48, Lee shorts...@suddenlink.net 
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 Margaret,

Your idea to do more research worked/helped.  I just found the death record of 
Francisca Tavres, mother of Francisco Gomez Xapado.  Per her obits, her husband 
FULL name was Francisco Gomez XAPADO.  Both men carried the same name.  I will 
keep s more didcerning look out for that name in the future.

Again, thanks!!

Lee

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