[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta passport , please translate observation

[bsei2816]

I am really not sure because the writing is so small, but I think it might 
be:

Um pequeno buço.  Uma cicatriz na face esquerda.  This would be a small 
moustache (like a teenager's peach fuzz).  A scar on left cheek.

Bill Seidler

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 7:59:34 AM UTC-7, Eleanor wrote:

>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P109.html
>
> I am trying to read the information on #76, Antonio Ignacio de Faria, who 
> is my grandfather and was doing fine until I hit the observations. Can 
> anyone help me with this? Thanks. Eleanor
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exposto Search and Surname

[Cheri Mello]

I seem to remember Joao Ventura (the archivist & researcher for hire)
saying many of the expostos were brought to the Matriz to be baptized. Not
sure if the churches you mention are Matriz'

Cheri

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 12:22 PM, Ângela Loura  wrote:

> I have an ancestor who was an Exposto, born in 1804. His baptism record
> refers his godfather, as well as the names of the parents who raised him.
> As to dates it only says that he was "exposto" the night before the
> baptism. I was lucky to confirm he was the guy i was looking for because he
> married "his parents" daughter... :)
>
> 2015-07-01 20:07 GMT+01:00 luiznoia . :
>
>> There seem to be certain churches that are a center of Exposto baptisms (
>> Lomba, Flores in my records) and that they tend to do large batches of
>> them.
>>
>> In a Luz,  Graciosa book, there were almost 60 in a row, with ages from a
>> week to 4 years old.
>>
>> Sometimes the parent  who is raising them is named in the document, but
>> often not. In the case the parents are named, often padrinhos are named
>> too. That could track the correct Alexandre from it's use on his marriage
>> record.
>>
>> Naming is likely the priest's choice
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:46 AM, lmy...@hughes.net 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't recall this being discussed before. My ancestor Alexandre
>>> Martins was an exposto. I have his marriage record and the baptismo record
>>> of his spouse. The marriage record indicates he was baptized at Se
>>> Cathedral in Angra, but no indication as to when or his age. I've been
>>> going through exposto baptisms for the period 1808 to 1817 at Se Cathedral.
>>> I admit the dates are arbitrary - I used his wife's baptism date (1817).
>>> There are only eight possibilities. Fortunately Alexandre is not that
>>> common of a name. Is there a way I can ascertain which one is mine? Does it
>>> have anything to do with the names in the side notes or godparents? Also,
>>> how does an exposto get a surname? I'd appreciate any help.
>>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Dano]

Hi Alan, 

Re -jumping ship: I'm not sure whether the time frame is right for your 
GGF, but, the Azores was a fairly regular stop for American Whalers to 
replenish supplies, or, to replace missing crew members. Many times some of 
those crew members *did* mysteriously "disappear" during the night, when 
the ship was within sight of land - especially any New England Port; that 
may also have been the reason why family members were cautioned not to tell 
anyone their true nationality.

As for the Passaportes website - I'm afraid that you'll need to do that 
search the old fashioned way - diligent, line by line, page by page, 
searching. Sometimes it will be quick, other times, you may never find the 
record (there are gaps in the records). If you are fortunate, much info 
will be had; such as: dates and places of births/baptisms, earlier family 
members, etc.  
~~~
On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 2:29:30 PM UTC-4, Alan Francis wrote:
>
> Thank you again, Cheri. Re family heritage, family lore is that Joseph 
> "jumped ship" in Boston and may have been here illegally. I know they were 
> rather poor for those times. That may explain their reluctance to be known 
> as Portuguese.
> Any recommendations as to where to go next to research the family? I 
> looked at the passaportes records but didn't know how to find a particular 
> name as there wasn't a search box.
>
> On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-4, Alan Francis wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just joined this group so forgive me if this is not an appropriate 
>> request.
>> I found a marriage record for my great grandparents, I think. It seems my 
>> great grandfaher's surname was Ramos, not Francis.  I am trying to verify 
>> this information. My problem is in trying to decipher the handwriting on 
>> the marriage record. I am not sure of the spelling of Ramos. Can anyone 
>> help me with this?  I appreciate the help.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exposto Search and Surname

[Ângela Loura]

I have an ancestor who was an Exposto, born in 1804. His baptism record
refers his godfather, as well as the names of the parents who raised him.
As to dates it only says that he was "exposto" the night before the
baptism. I was lucky to confirm he was the guy i was looking for because he
married "his parents" daughter... :)

2015-07-01 20:07 GMT+01:00 luiznoia . :

> There seem to be certain churches that are a center of Exposto baptisms (
> Lomba, Flores in my records) and that they tend to do large batches of
> them.
>
> In a Luz,  Graciosa book, there were almost 60 in a row, with ages from a
> week to 4 years old.
>
> Sometimes the parent  who is raising them is named in the document, but
> often not. In the case the parents are named, often padrinhos are named
> too. That could track the correct Alexandre from it's use on his marriage
> record.
>
> Naming is likely the priest's choice
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 10:46 AM, lmy...@hughes.net 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't recall this being discussed before. My ancestor Alexandre Martins
>> was an exposto. I have his marriage record and the baptismo record of his
>> spouse. The marriage record indicates he was baptized at Se Cathedral in
>> Angra, but no indication as to when or his age. I've been going through
>> exposto baptisms for the period 1808 to 1817 at Se Cathedral. I admit the
>> dates are arbitrary - I used his wife's baptism date (1817). There are only
>> eight possibilities. Fortunately Alexandre is not that common of a name. Is
>> there a way I can ascertain which one is mine? Does it have anything to do
>> with the names in the side notes or godparents? Also, how does an exposto
>> get a surname? I'd appreciate any help.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Alan Francis]

Good find Eric. 
Starting with your finding, I now have 2 siblings' birth records with the 
Ramos surname (Joseph, Mary). 
The 1900 Census shows that Joseph (born Ramos) + Rosa (Gomes) Francis had 6 
children, 3 living in 1900 (Joseph, Manuel, Mary Rose). The one you found, 
Mary, died in 1885. 
Another child (Rose) died young. I have her death record (as Rose Francis) 
but no birth record.
I have a paper copy of my grandfather Manuel's birth certificate. His name 
is Manuel Francis on this document but I am suspicious because it was 
issued in 1937. I find no birth record such as you found for him or Rose or 
the youngest child, Mary Rose. 
I can find nothing on the 6th child (deceased if the 1900 census is 
accurate).
I guess this is the type of mystery about family history that keeps us 
interested in finding more.
Thanks again.

Alan Francis

On Wednesday, July 1, 2015 at 3:08:05 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote:
>
> You can see they were still using the Ramos surname in 1883 when daughter 
> Mary was born
>
> It took a lot of manipulation to make this record readable. 
>
> She is at the bottom line. 
>
>
> Eric E
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Cheri Mello  > wrote:
>
>> Alan F,
>>
>> "Jumping ship" refers to sneaking on the boat. See the John P. Colleta's 
>> "They Came In Ships" for a full explanation. If he snuck on the ship in the 
>> Azores, he would have been discovered and counted on the American end. 
>> Pretty hard not to be discovered during a 2 or so week voyage.
>>
>> I doubt that being poor had anything to do with it. Mine were pretty poor 
>> upon entry too. Who knows why our ancestors did some things.
>>
>> A "how to" is on the Azores GenWeb here: http://goo.gl/3KZnNs
>>
>> You have to know when your ancestor sailed and then you have to look at 
>> the Passaportes page by page and hunt for them.
>>
>> Cheri
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Alan Francis > > wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you again, Cheri. Re family heritage, family lore is that Joseph 
>>> "jumped ship" in Boston and may have been here illegally. I know they were 
>>> rather poor for those times. That may explain their reluctance to be known 
>>> as Portuguese.
>>> Any recommendations as to where to go next to research the family? I 
>>> looked at the passaportes records but didn't know how to find a particular 
>>> name as there wasn't a search box.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-4, Alan Francis wrote:
>>>

 I just joined this group so forgive me if this is not an appropriate 
 request.
 I found a marriage record for my great grandparents, I think. It seems 
 my great grandfaher's surname was Ramos, not Francis.  I am trying to 
 verify this information. My problem is in trying to decipher the 
 handwriting on the marriage record. I am not sure of the spelling of 
 Ramos. 
 Can anyone help me with this?  I appreciate the help.


 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: [PSC-l] FWD: LUSUS Special Edition: PALCUS Co-Hosts the Third Meeting of Portuguese-American Elected Officials

[George Medeiros]

Thank You for the information. George M. ( Pereira ) Medeiros

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Cheri Mello]

John Colleta calls jumping ship someone who stowed away. I'll look it up
though. It's been a few years since I've reread that book (They Came In
Ships).

Cheri

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Sonia Pacheco  wrote:

> jumped ship = crewman who abandoned the ship at a port
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> Sonia
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> *From: *"Richard Francis Pimentel" 
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, July 1, 2015 4:41:49 PM
> *Subject: *RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa
> F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879
>
>
> *I thought “Jumped Ship” meant he was a crew member and was still
> obligated to the Captain (Ship owner) to complete his contract of
> employment. A person that snuck on board a ship is a stowaway. *
>
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>
> *Rick*
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> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
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> *Epping, NH*
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> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *luiznoia .
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 1, 2015 2:57 PM
> *To:* Azores Genealogy
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa
> F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879
>
>
>
> You can see they were still using the Ramos surname in 1883 when daughter
> Mary was born.
>
>
>
> It took a lot of manipulation to make this record readable.
>
>
>
> She is at the bottom line.
>
>
>
>
>
> Eric E
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>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> Alan F,
>
>
>
> "Jumping ship" refers to sneaking on the boat. See the John P. Colleta's
> "They Came In Ships" for a full explanation. If he snuck on the ship in the
> Azores, he would have been discovered and counted on the American end.
> Pretty hard not to be discovered during a 2 or so week voyage.
>
>
>
> I doubt that being poor had anything to do with it. Mine were pretty poor
> upon entry too. Who knows why our ancestors did some things.
>
>
>
> A "how to" is on the Azores GenWeb here: http://goo.gl/3KZnNs
>
>
>
> You have to know when your ancestor sailed and then you have to look at
> the Passaportes page by page and hunt for them.
>
>
>
> Cheri
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Alan Francis 
> wrote:
>
> Thank you again, Cheri. Re family heritage, family lore is that Joseph
> "jumped ship" in Boston and may have been here illegally. I know they were
> rather poor for those times. That may explain their reluctance to be known
> as Portuguese.
> Any recommendations as to where to go next to research the family? I
> looked at the passaportes records but didn't know how to find a particular
> name as there wasn't a search box.
>
> On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-4, Alan Francis wrote:
>
>
>
> I just joined this group so forgive me if this is not an appropriate
> request.
> I found a marriage record for my great grandparents, I think. It seems my
> great grandfaher's surname was Ramos, not Francis.  I am trying to verify
> this information. My problem is in trying to decipher the handwriting on
> the marriage record. I am not sure of the spelling of Ramos. Can anyone
> help me with this?  I appreciate the help.
>
>
> 
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Sonia Pacheco]

jumped ship = crewman who abandoned the ship at a port 

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From: "Richard Francis Pimentel"  
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 4:41:49 PM 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes 
(Fayal) Marriage -1879 



I thought “Jumped Ship” meant he was a crew member and was still obligated to 
the Captain (Ship owner) to complete his contract of employment. A person that 
snuck on board a ship is a stowaway. 

Rick 

Richard Francis Pimentel 
Epping, NH 


From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
luiznoia . 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 2:57 PM 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes 
(Fayal) Marriage -1879 


You can see they were still using the Ramos surname in 1883 when daughter Mary 
was born. 



It took a lot of manipulation to make this record readable. 



She is at the bottom line. 





Eric E 







On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Cheri Mello < gfsche...@gmail.com > wrote: 


Alan F, 



"Jumping ship" refers to sneaking on the boat. See the John P. Colleta's "They 
Came In Ships" for a full explanation. If he snuck on the ship in the Azores, 
he would have been discovered and counted on the American end. Pretty hard not 
to be discovered during a 2 or so week voyage. 



I doubt that being poor had anything to do with it. Mine were pretty poor upon 
entry too. Who knows why our ancestors did some things. 



A "how to" is on the Azores GenWeb here: http://goo.gl/3KZnNs 



You have to know when your ancestor sailed and then you have to look at the 
Passaportes page by page and hunt for them. 



Cheri 





On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Alan Francis < alanfranci...@gmail.com > wrote: 

Thank you again, Cheri. Re family heritage, family lore is that Joseph "jumped 
ship" in Boston and may have been here illegally. I know they were rather poor 
for those times. That may explain their reluctance to be known as Portuguese. 
Any recommendations as to where to go next to research the family? I looked at 
the passaportes records but didn't know how to find a particular name as there 
wasn't a search box. 

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-4, Alan Francis wrote: 






I just joined this group so forgive me if this is not an appropriate request. 
I found a marriage record for my great grandparents, I think. It seems my great 
grandfaher's surname was Ramos, not Francis. I am trying to verify this 
information. My problem is in trying to decipher the handwriting on the 
marriage record. I am not sure of the spelling of Ramos. Can anyone help me 
with this? I appreciate the help. 






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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I thought “Jumped Ship” meant he was a crew member and was still obligated to 
the Captain (Ship owner) to complete his contract of employment. A person that 
snuck on board a ship is a stowaway. 

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

 

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luiznoia .
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2015 2:57 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes 
(Fayal) Marriage -1879

 

You can see they were still using the Ramos surname in 1883 when daughter Mary 
was born. 

 

It took a lot of manipulation to make this record readable. 

 

She is at the bottom line. 

 

 

Eric E

 

 

 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

Alan F,

 

"Jumping ship" refers to sneaking on the boat. See the John P. Colleta's "They 
Came In Ships" for a full explanation. If he snuck on the ship in the Azores, 
he would have been discovered and counted on the American end. Pretty hard not 
to be discovered during a 2 or so week voyage.

 

I doubt that being poor had anything to do with it. Mine were pretty poor upon 
entry too. Who knows why our ancestors did some things.

 

A "how to" is on the Azores GenWeb here: http://goo.gl/3KZnNs

 

You have to know when your ancestor sailed and then you have to look at the 
Passaportes page by page and hunt for them.

 

Cheri

 

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Alan Francis  wrote:

Thank you again, Cheri. Re family heritage, family lore is that Joseph "jumped 
ship" in Boston and may have been here illegally. I know they were rather poor 
for those times. That may explain their reluctance to be known as Portuguese.
Any recommendations as to where to go next to research the family? I looked at 
the passaportes records but didn't know how to find a particular name as there 
wasn't a search box.

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-4, Alan Francis wrote:

 

I just joined this group so forgive me if this is not an appropriate request.
I found a marriage record for my great grandparents, I think. It seems my great 
grandfaher's surname was Ramos, not Francis.  I am trying to verify this 
information. My problem is in trying to decipher the handwriting on the 
marriage record. I am not sure of the spelling of Ramos. Can anyone help me 
with this?  I appreciate the help.

 

 

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exposto Search and Surname

[luiznoia .]

There seem to be certain churches that are a center of Exposto baptisms (
Lomba, Flores in my records) and that they tend to do large batches of
them.

In a Luz,  Graciosa book, there were almost 60 in a row, with ages from a
week to 4 years old.

Sometimes the parent  who is raising them is named in the document, but
often not. In the case the parents are named, often padrinhos are named
too. That could track the correct Alexandre from it's use on his marriage
record.

Naming is likely the priest's choice

Eric

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wrote:

> I don't recall this being discussed before. My ancestor Alexandre Martins
> was an exposto. I have his marriage record and the baptismo record of his
> spouse. The marriage record indicates he was baptized at Se Cathedral in
> Angra, but no indication as to when or his age. I've been going through
> exposto baptisms for the period 1808 to 1817 at Se Cathedral. I admit the
> dates are arbitrary - I used his wife's baptism date (1817). There are only
> eight possibilities. Fortunately Alexandre is not that common of a name. Is
> there a way I can ascertain which one is mine? Does it have anything to do
> with the names in the side notes or godparents? Also, how does an exposto
> get a surname? I'd appreciate any help.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Cheri Mello]

Alan F,

"Jumping ship" refers to sneaking on the boat. See the John P. Colleta's
"They Came In Ships" for a full explanation. If he snuck on the ship in the
Azores, he would have been discovered and counted on the American end.
Pretty hard not to be discovered during a 2 or so week voyage.

I doubt that being poor had anything to do with it. Mine were pretty poor
upon entry too. Who knows why our ancestors did some things.

A "how to" is on the Azores GenWeb here: http://goo.gl/3KZnNs

You have to know when your ancestor sailed and then you have to look at the
Passaportes page by page and hunt for them.

Cheri

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:48 AM, Alan Francis 
wrote:

> Thank you again, Cheri. Re family heritage, family lore is that Joseph
> "jumped ship" in Boston and may have been here illegally. I know they were
> rather poor for those times. That may explain their reluctance to be known
> as Portuguese.
> Any recommendations as to where to go next to research the family? I
> looked at the passaportes records but didn't know how to find a particular
> name as there wasn't a search box.
>
> On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-4, Alan Francis wrote:
>
>>
>> I just joined this group so forgive me if this is not an appropriate
>> request.
>> I found a marriage record for my great grandparents, I think. It seems my
>> great grandfaher's surname was Ramos, not Francis.  I am trying to verify
>> this information. My problem is in trying to decipher the handwriting on
>> the marriage record. I am not sure of the spelling of Ramos. Can anyone
>> help me with this?  I appreciate the help.
>>
>>
>> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Alan Francis]

Thank you again, Cheri. Re family heritage, family lore is that Joseph 
"jumped ship" in Boston and may have been here illegally. I know they were 
rather poor for those times. That may explain their reluctance to be known 
as Portuguese.
Any recommendations as to where to go next to research the family? I looked 
at the passaportes records but didn't know how to find a particular name as 
there wasn't a search box.

On Tuesday, June 30, 2015 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-4, Alan Francis wrote:
>
>
> I just joined this group so forgive me if this is not an appropriate 
> request.
> I found a marriage record for my great grandparents, I think. It seems my 
> great grandfaher's surname was Ramos, not Francis.  I am trying to verify 
> this information. My problem is in trying to decipher the handwriting on 
> the marriage record. I am not sure of the spelling of Ramos. Can anyone 
> help me with this?  I appreciate the help.
>
>
> 
>
>

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Exposto Search and Surname

[lmy...@hughes.net]

I don't recall this being discussed before. My ancestor Alexandre Martins 
was an exposto. I have his marriage record and the baptismo record of his 
spouse. The marriage record indicates he was baptized at Se Cathedral in 
Angra, but no indication as to when or his age. I've been going through 
exposto baptisms for the period 1808 to 1817 at Se Cathedral. I admit the 
dates are arbitrary - I used his wife's baptism date (1817). There are only 
eight possibilities. Fortunately Alexandre is not that common of a name. Is 
there a way I can ascertain which one is mine? Does it have anything to do 
with the names in the side notes or godparents? Also, how does an exposto 
get a surname? I'd appreciate any help. 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Fwd: [PSC-l] FWD: LUSUS Special Edition: PALCUS Co-Hosts the Third Meeting of Portuguese-American Elected Officials

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PALCUS sponsored its Third Meeting of Portuguese-American Elected Officials
in collaboration with the Embassy of the Republic of Portugal in the United
States and the Minister of Foreign Affairs through the Secretary of the
Portuguese Communities on June 10, 2015. Elected and appointed officials at
federal, state and local levels traveled from across the nation to meet in
Washington, D.C. to share their insights and experiences through formal
meetings and informal networking opportunities. The theme of the event was
"Voices and Experiences of Those Who Serve as Elected."









The first part of the event took place at the White House in the Eisenhower
Executive Office Building in the Indian Treaty Room where the featured
speakers were Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz and David Simas, a policy
advisor to President Obama, both Portuguese-Americans from Massachusetts.
Secretary Moniz spoke compellingly about the President's energy strategy,



The event moved onto the U.S. Capitol where a forum hosted by Congressmen
Jim Costa (D-CA), Devin Nunes (R-CA) and David Valadão (R-CA) was moderated
by PALCUS Chairman of the Board, Fernando Rosa. A new co-chair of the
Portuguese-American Caucus, Congressman Lee Zeldin (NY) was introduced.



The spirit of trans-Atlantic collaboration was clearly communicated by the
presence and remarks of Secretary of the Communities Abroad José Cesário,
Ambassador of Portugal Nuno Brito, Deputado João Mota Amaral and several
members of the Portuguese Parliament. Ambassador Brito discussed the
significant history and ongoing connection between Portugal and the United
States while Secretary Cesário remarked that this meeting was a celebration
of the Day of Portugal in a different way.



Approximately 30 elected officials introduced themselves identifying their
office and offering brief insights into their experience as
Portuguese-Americans in public service. Participating were Congressman,
State Senators, State Representatives, Mayors and City Council Members
representing Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New Jersey, New
York, Virginia, California, and Washington, D.C.



This meeting was an opportunity to discuss various issues of importance to
the Portuguese-American community and to US-Portugal relations, including:



   - The efforts to maintain the Lajes Air Force Base
   - Reopening of the Synagogue in the Azores
   - The challenges faced by a female Portuguese-American to get elected to
   the state assembly
   - The experience of advancing from a Mayor to Senator
   - The impact of the support of state legislatures on Portuguese language
   education
   - The need to reach out to and encourage other Portuguese-Americans to
   public service.






After the meeting, attendees celebrated the Day of Portugal at the
residence of Ambassador Nuno Brito which included additional guests from
across the country.



Luis Matos, the first native Portuguese Associate Justice of the RI
Superior Count, was recognized and decorated by the Portuguese government
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Cheri Mello]

Alan F,

In spoken Portuguese, Antonio sounds like An-Tone. That's why you have that
interesting spelling. Francisco sounds kinda like Fran-Sheeshk. The final
vowel gets clipped and that syllable gets dropped, hence you get the
truncated names.

The groom's father is indeed Francisco da C. Compare to the C at the top of
the page in the word City.

Rosa's father is NOT an Antonio W. Gomes. It's probably a poorly written M
in whatever record you are reading. W doesn't exist in the Portuguese
language.

Everybody's experiences are different. My ancestors came right around 1900
and went through both WWI & WWII in America. Every generation was told
about being Portuguese. It was not big deal. It could have been English,
French, or whatnot.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Horta passport , please translate observation

['Eleanor' via Azores Genealogy]

 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P109.html
I am trying to read the information on #76, Antonio Ignacio de Faria, who is my 
grandfather and was doing fine until I hit the observations. Can anyone help me 
with this? Thanks. Eleanor

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joseph F Ramos (Sao Miguel) + Rosa F Gomes (Fayal) Marriage -1879

[Alan Francis]

Wow. Fantastic responses. You guys are good. Thanks to all.

I did indeed find this "Boston, MA Marriage Record" on FamilySearch.org at:

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3Arosa~%20%2Bsurname%3AGomes~%20%2Bbirth_place%3A%22azores%2C%20portugal%22~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22Boston%2C%20MA%22~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1879-1879~%20%2Bspouse_givenname%3AJoseph~
 

(sorry for the long URL but the Add Link function doesn't seem to work).

I am now trying to verify what you all suspect, that my great grandparents 
changed their surname to Francis. I see the surname Francis starting in the 
1900 US Census so somewhere between 1879 and 1900, they must have changed 
their name if this is indeed my great grandparents. I am fairly confident 
that this is them. Other records I have found show Rose Gomes' father as 
Atone W Gomes and Joseph Francis' father as Frank Francis. After seeing 
this record, I can see where Frank came from Francisco and Atone came from 
Antonio. 

I don't know any of your collective backgrounds but in my case, my father 
(Charles Francis Sr) told my mother never to tell anyone that he was 
Portuguese. I did not find out about my Portuguese roots until I was 30, 
after my father had died.I guess the family wanted to assimilated into the 
anglo-American culture back in the day. Now families celebrate their 
cultures. How times have changed.

What a great site. Keep up the good work.  I hope I can contribute some day.



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>
> I just joined this group so forgive me if this is not an appropriate 
> request.
> I found a marriage record for my great grandparents, I think. It seems my 
> great grandfather's surname was Ramos, not Francis.  I am trying to verify 
> this information. My problem is in trying to decipher the handwriting on 
> the marriage record. I am not sure of the spelling of Ramos. Can anyone 
> help me with this?  I appreciate the help.
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