[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Handwriting help

2015-10-06 Thread linda 
Hi Barbara,

I've found that every century seems to have it's own particular 
paleographic challenges.  You've got the most important data from the 
record already, but I hope this translation might be useful for you in 
reading further records.  There are probably some typos and errors, but 
it's a start--

best of luck with your research,

Linda

1. Em os vinte e cinco dias do mez de Novembro do Anno de
2. mil septe centos oitenta e nove, sendo de manha nesta
3. Parochial de Nossa Sen.ra de Guadalupe, Logar de Agu-
4. alva, feitas prim.ro as dilig.os necesiarios, na forma
5. do Sagrado Conilio Tridentino e Con[??] deste
6. Bispado por nao se descobrir impedim.to , Como me
7. constou por hu[m] mandado expresso do R.do Ouvi-
8. dor da Villa da Praya, Vig.o proprio da Ma-
9. triz da d.a Villa Vicente Ferreira Sottomayor
10. na prezenca de mim Joao de Deos da Costa Vig.o
11. proprio desta d.a Paroc.al e das desto.os abaixo assig-
12. nadas An.to Martins Rib.ro e Manoel Antunes
13. Gerardes, ambos Caszados e freg.es desta m.ma Par.al
14. Se cazarao solmnenem.te por palavras de prezen-
15. te in facie Ecclesio por marido e m.er como man-
16. da a S.ta Madre Igr.a Joze Coelho, f.o legitimo
17. de Manoel Coelho e de sua m.er Fran.ca Ignacia
18. ja defuntos com Quiteria Ignacia, filha de Este-
19. vao Lour.co e de sua m.er Maria de S. Joze, ambos
20. os contrahentes naturaes e freg.es desta sobre d.a Pa-
21. rochial, honde sati?sfizerao aos preceitos da Quares-
22. ma proxime passada e p.a constar fiz este
23. termo, que assigno no d.o dia, mez, e anno, [era] ut supra.

lines 1-4: state the date, place, and time of day (morning)
lines 4-9: state that the requirements of the Council of Trent have been 
fulfilled, that no impediments were discovered, and under whose authority 
the marriage is made
lines 10- 13: give the names of the priest and the names of the witnesses 
and their status(married) as well as their parish ("this same parish")
lines 14-19: give the details of the groom, bride and their parents; the 
groom's parents are deceased
lines 19- 22: state that the bride and groom are both both natives of the 
parish and that the parish is where they fulfilled their most recent Lenten 
obligations
lines 22-23: state that this [document] was made for the record and signed 
on the [above cited] date, month and year;  "era ut supra" is Latin for "It 
was as above" , i.e., an attestation of the truth of the record








On Monday, October 5, 2015 at 6:37:54 PM UTC-7, Barbara Davis wrote:
>
> Some of the notations in this record are not what I'm accustomed to and 
> I'm not quite sure what it says.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-PV-AGUALVA-C-1770-1832/TER-PV-AGUALVA-C-1770-1832_item1/TER-PV-AGUALVA-C-1770-1832_JPG/TER-PV-AGUALVA-C-1770-1832_0049.jpg
>
> Line 4:  made first?
> Line 16:  ...Jose Coelho, legitmate son
> Line 17:  of Manoel Coelho, and his wife... ? ... Ignacia
> Line 18-end:  I AM LOST!!!  HELP ME DECIPHER!
>
> Also, some of the records five the age of the bride or groom.  I can't see 
> ages in this one, but perhaps I'm just missing them?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Barb 
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta

2015-10-06 Thread hisalv via Azores Genealogy 

 
 
 
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To: azores 
Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2015 8:34 am
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Velma Cotta



I have forwarded this to my friend who's maiden name was Cotta and she was born 
and raised in Los Banos Ca.   I will forward whatever reply I get

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On Jun 12, 2015, at 11:10 PM, Dave Worman  wrote:



I am still searching for information on Velma Cotta, born about 1910 probably 
in California.  Divorce 1928 - married again 1933.   In 1933 lived at 230 Ivy 
St., Hanford, CA with Belle and Hercules Lopes.   Have hit a brick wall here 
and am still wondering about her.   Dave


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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rebelo de Oliveira - surname

2015-10-06 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
Thank you Cheri! My alzheimer is getting worst!!! :)

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cheri 
Mello
Enviada: 6 de outubro de 2015 18:54
Para: Azores Genealogy 
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rebelo de Oliveira - surname

 

And for those not familiar with the various Azorean areas, Eliseu is talking 
about Sao Miguel island.




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On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva mailto:eliseuman...@sapo.pt> > wrote:

Hi!

Does anyone have notes on REBELO DE OLIVEIRA surname? Possibbly from Fenais da 
Ajuda (former Fenais da Vera Cruz)

 

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] the R1b Backbone Panel for the original beta price of only $79!

2015-10-06 Thread Cheri Mello 
I let it pass the first time. I decided to go ahead and do it this time, as
I'm thinking the geneticists kinda found something and they need another
big batch of DNA to work with to figure out their hypothesis.

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> Guess I'll have them pass on this one. Still waiting for another good sale.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] the R1b Backbone Panel for the original beta price of only $79!

2015-10-06 Thread E. Sharp 
Guess I'll have them pass on this one. Still waiting for another good sale. 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rebelo de Oliveira - surname

2015-10-06 Thread Cheri Mello 
And for those not familiar with the various Azorean areas, Eliseu is
talking about Sao Miguel island.

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On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva <
eliseuman...@sapo.pt> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> Does anyone have notes on REBELO DE OLIVEIRA surname? Possibbly from
> Fenais da Ajuda (former Fenais da Vera Cruz)
>
>
>
> Muito Obrigado,
>
> *Eliseu Pacheco da Silva*
>
> *Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)*
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Rebelo de Oliveira - surname

2015-10-06 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
Hi!

Does anyone have notes on REBELO DE OLIVEIRA surname? Possibbly from Fenais
da Ajuda (former Fenais da Vera Cruz)

 

Muito Obrigado,

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Azores (S. Miguel, Graciosa, Faial); Mainland (Alentejo)

 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Tweaking the fields in Family Finder on FTDNA

2015-10-06 Thread Cheri Mello 
For those of you who have tested Family Finder on FTDNA (or transferred
your autosomal DNA results to FTDNA), I've asked that you add Azores
somewhere in your list. Many of your matches are not 100% Azorean. Many are
mixed. When you view your matches, you may see your matches listed as Mary
Davis, Bob Jones, etc. They don't sound Portuguese. You may look across and
see that they have Portuguese surnames. Then you'll look at their tree.
However, if you have several pages of matches, you'd have to do through
them one by one, checking to see if they have Portuguese surnames.

Then I had this idea (see the attached screen shot).

When you upload your Gedcom, it does populate your surname list. It does
NOT import the location field. I'm not crazy enough to go through every
single one of my surnames and add the locality. And I've always stressed
putting Azores. I got to thinking if there was a way to put more.

Type your island in the surname field. Type your freguesia in the location
field (in the screen shot, I should have put Name: Sao Miguel island,
Azores and in the location I should put my freguesias only).

Now, your matches can search the Ancestral Surname field by surname,
island, or freguesia. Or even Azores or Madeira or Cape Verde!
Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] the R1b Backbone Panel for the original beta price of only $79!

2015-10-06 Thread Cheri Mello 
Here's the blurb from the Frequently Asked Questions on FTDNA about the
SNPs:
Why Should I Test Y-DNA SNPs?

A Y-DNA SNP
test
determines
your Y-DNA haplogroup
.
Knowing how you connect to other people on the Y-tree can help narrow
*geographical
origins* and can potentially confirm specific *genealogical connections*.
We encourage you to test as many SNPs as possible for the most rewarding
experience. Learn more about our SNP Packs below to get the best deal on
SNP testing.

Testing Y-DNA SNP markers places you further down the branch on the Y-DNA
haplotree and assists us with scientific research on the Y-tree and for
your haplogroup projects. The more people that test their SNPs, the more
data points we have to further our understanding of human migration and
history. More importantly to you is that SNPs may help in your genealogy
and deep ancestry research.

If you are interested in your ancestry that goes beyond where
traditional paper trails end, you should focus on SNP testing. (NOTE from
Cheri: This means more anthropological in nature).

...SNPs offer a definitive answer to a potential relationship. When one
person is positive (derived) for an SNP and the other person is negative
(ancestral) for the same SNP, they are not related in genealogical
times.(NOTE from Cheri: As our Y-DNA results build and we get many men
matching each other, we will be able to tell is they should test out to
Y-111 or not based on their SNP testing).





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On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Liz Migliori  wrote:

> Very nice
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
> R1b is the most common European haplogroup for males. The current
> nomenclature is R-M269. Within that very large group is another subgroup,
> who are the most common of the most common. That's the Western Atlantic
> Modal Haplotype or WAMH.
>
> What this Backbone panel is going to do is to refine and break these
> subgroups down on the tree of mankind. So instead of being R-M269, you
> could be R-P312, R-S1051, R-L21, etc.
>
> So that means at Thanksgiving you can say that you're no longer R-M269,
> but R-. Everyone's eyes will glaze over like they have had too much
> turkey!
>
> All joking aside though...no, it's not going to help with your genealogy
> per se. It really more anthropological in nature. At least at this time.
> There is a thought that there may be familial SNPs. This science is pretty
> new. I don't think that means that there's a Mello SNP, a Barbosa SNP, an
> Avelar SNP. I think it may mean that there's a SNP that the Mello & Barbosa
> families descend from, for example. It's still a developing science and
> they are making discoveries. No one has a crystal ball to say what the end
> result is.
>
> I think they are advertising 135 for SNPs in a package for $79 instead of
> $99. Normally, it $39 per SNP. So to order 135 SNPs would be a few thousand
> dollars.
>
> So if you have the extra $79 and are willing to contribute your Y-DNA (or
> the Y-DNA of the male you tested) to this growing science, do it! Just
> understand that you're not getting genealogy out of it a this time. You may
> be leaving a legacy for the future!
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Azores DNA Project
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] the R1b Backbone Panel for the original beta price of only $79!

2015-10-06 Thread Liz Migliori 
Very nice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2015, at 9:37 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> R1b is the most common European haplogroup for males. The current 
> nomenclature is R-M269. Within that very large group is another subgroup, who 
> are the most common of the most common. That's the Western Atlantic Modal 
> Haplotype or WAMH.
> 
> What this Backbone panel is going to do is to refine and break these 
> subgroups down on the tree of mankind. So instead of being R-M269, you could 
> be R-P312, R-S1051, R-L21, etc. 
> 
> So that means at Thanksgiving you can say that you're no longer R-M269, but 
> R-. Everyone's eyes will glaze over like they have had too much turkey!
> 
> All joking aside though...no, it's not going to help with your genealogy per 
> se. It really more anthropological in nature. At least at this time. There is 
> a thought that there may be familial SNPs. This science is pretty new. I 
> don't think that means that there's a Mello SNP, a Barbosa SNP, an Avelar 
> SNP. I think it may mean that there's a SNP that the Mello & Barbosa families 
> descend from, for example. It's still a developing science and they are 
> making discoveries. No one has a crystal ball to say what the end result is. 
> 
> I think they are advertising 135 for SNPs in a package for $79 instead of 
> $99. Normally, it $39 per SNP. So to order 135 SNPs would be a few thousand 
> dollars. 
> 
> So if you have the extra $79 and are willing to contribute your Y-DNA (or the 
> Y-DNA of the male you tested) to this growing science, do it! Just understand 
> that you're not getting genealogy out of it a this time. You may be leaving a 
> legacy for the future!
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
> Azores DNA Project
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] the R1b Backbone Panel for the original beta price of only $79!

2015-10-06 Thread Cheri Mello 
R1b is the most common European haplogroup for males. The current
nomenclature is R-M269. Within that very large group is another subgroup,
who are the most common of the most common. That's the Western Atlantic
Modal Haplotype or WAMH.

What this Backbone panel is going to do is to refine and break these
subgroups down on the tree of mankind. So instead of being R-M269, you
could be R-P312, R-S1051, R-L21, etc.

So that means at Thanksgiving you can say that you're no longer R-M269, but
R-. Everyone's eyes will glaze over like they have had too much turkey!

All joking aside though...no, it's not going to help with your genealogy
per se. It really more anthropological in nature. At least at this time.
There is a thought that there may be familial SNPs. This science is pretty
new. I don't think that means that there's a Mello SNP, a Barbosa SNP, an
Avelar SNP. I think it may mean that there's a SNP that the Mello & Barbosa
families descend from, for example. It's still a developing science and
they are making discoveries. No one has a crystal ball to say what the end
result is.

I think they are advertising 135 for SNPs in a package for $79 instead of
$99. Normally, it $39 per SNP. So to order 135 SNPs would be a few thousand
dollars.

So if you have the extra $79 and are willing to contribute your Y-DNA (or
the Y-DNA of the male you tested) to this growing science, do it! Just
understand that you're not getting genealogy out of it a this time. You may
be leaving a legacy for the future!

Cheri Mello
Family Tree DNA Admin (volunteer)
Azores DNA Project

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[AZORES-Genealogy] the R1b Backbone Panel for the original beta price of only $79!

2015-10-06 Thread E. Sharp 
Cheri and others familiar with FTDNA,

 

What more is this going to tell the people I have had tested?

 

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