Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[Cheri Mello]

It's not Jan. 8th. I need to know how that date is being obtained. Flores
has about 10 churches to search. No guarantee that the dad is a Gonçalves
either. Who are Antonio's parents and how do you know?

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 8:03 PM, linda  wrote:

> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_
> digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-
> 1876-1880_item1/P40.html
>
> Link to the first page of the record which is for twins, Antonio and Jose.
> The attachment is the second page. I only have my phone, so I can't make
> out the birth dates--maybe in the twenties?
>
> Without supporting information, as Cheri says, it's not really possible to
> know if it's the right Antonio. If you can get as much data from US sources
> as you can, it will save you much time and effort in the long run.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Linda
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[linda]

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1876-1880_item1/P40.html

Link to the first page of the record which is for twins, Antonio and Jose. The 
attachment is the second page. I only have my phone, so I can't make out the 
birth dates--maybe in the twenties?

Without supporting information, as Cheri says, it's not really possible to know 
if it's the right Antonio. If you can get as much data from US sources as you 
can, it will save you much time and effort in the long run. 

Best wishes,

Linda




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[Cheri Mello]

Sarah,

The record you are sending is for a Constantino and a Joao.

Your original email said, "born on Flores but are not 100% sure." You
didn't say family lore. It sounded like a guess.

You need more documentation in America to be more certain of Flores. What
census work have you done on your ancestor? Was he in America during WWI
and did you pull his draft registration card? Did he naturalize and if so,
did you order his naturalization packet from the USCIS? Do you have his
death certificates and his obituaries from the newspapers?

It's rare for our illiterate ancestors to give the correct birth date. It's
off sometimes. Where are you getting that birth date from?  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Sarah Stinson 
wrote:

> Family lore says Flores island. I indicated that in my original message. I
> don't know the parish, that's true. Please look at the attachment when you
> have computer access.
> Thanks again,
> Sarah
>
>
> On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>
>> I am on my cell. I see an attached image. One side is a Constanino and
>> the other is Josė.
>>
>> You still haven't said why you are picking Flores island and that parish.
>> I believe in your original message you said you only knew that your
>> ancestor was born in the Azores. I don't understand what has led you to
>> N.S. da Conceição on Flores. Cheri
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[Sarah Stinson]

Family lore says Flores island. I indicated that in my original message. I 
don't know the parish, that's true. Please look at the attachment when you 
have computer access. 
Thanks again,
Sarah


On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 3:21:32 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I am on my cell. I see an attached image. One side is a Constanino and the 
> other is Josė.
>
> You still haven't said why you are picking Flores island and that parish. 
> I believe in your original message you said you only knew that your 
> ancestor was born in the Azores. I don't understand what has led you to 
> N.S. da Conceição on Flores. Cheri
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dead end

[nlollyanne123]

Hi JR Maria Eugenia de Andrade was my great grandmother and the few dates I 
have match. Thank you so much for this.Noelia 


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 Original message From: JR  Date: 3/19/18  
6:41 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Azores Genealogy  Subject: 
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dead end 
Here is what I think your line should be. Barring new unknown evidence, this is 
the closest match I could find in the records. I crossed checked all this with 
the CITCEM site. They are exactly the same, except they I added a generation. I 
will send the source files to you email address along with the other 
generations. Is Maria Eugenia de Andrade your ancestor? And if so, who is she 
married to and the date. Thats should help reinforce these findings, or 
possibly cause a reassessment of the findings.
JR
 

Ancestors of Maria Eugenia de Andrade

 

 

Generation
No. 1

 

    1.  Maria
Eugenia de Andrade, born 26 Apr 1834 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo. 
She was the daughter of 2. Francisco Pereira de Faria and 3.
Inacia Eugenia da Silveira.

 

Generation
No. 2

 

   2.  Francisco
Pereira de Faria, born 19 Aug 1812 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo. 
He was the son of 4. Francisco Garcia de Faria and 5. Rosa
Inacia or Inacia Rosa.  He married 3.
Inacia Eugenia da Silveira 22 Jul 1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

    3.  Inacia
Eugenia da Silveira, born 08 Sep 1804 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo. 
She was the daughter of 6. Francisco Silveira de Medeiros and 7.
Ana Rosa da Silveira.

    

Children of Francisco
Pereira de Faria and Inacia Silveira are:

    1 i.    Maria Eugenia de Andrade, born 26 Apr 1834 in 
Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

                       

 

Generation
No. 3

 

    4.  Francisco
Garcia de Faria, born 21 Apr 1757 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo. 
He was the son of Matias Garcia and Ana de Faria.  He married 5. Rosa Inacia or 
Inacia Rosa
15
 Oct 1781 in Santissimo
Trindade, Capelo.

    5.  Rosa
Inacia or Inacia Rosa, born Abt. 1761 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo; died
Bef. 13 Jan 1805 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  She was the daughter of 
Antonio Dutra Leao
and Catarina Dutra Bulcao.

    

Children of Francisco
Garcia de Faria and Rosa are:

                      

    2   iv.    Francisco Pereira de Faria, born 19 Aug 1812 in 
Santissimo Trindade, Capelo; married Inacia Eugenia
da Silveira 22 Jul 1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

 

 

    6.  Francisco
Silveira de Medeiros, born 26 Feb 1758 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo. 
He was the son of Lourenco de Medeiros and Rosa Silveira de Faria.  He married 
7. Ana Rosa da Silveira 08 Nov 1790 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

    7.  Ana Rosa
da Silveira, born 06 Jan 1771 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo. 
She was the daughter of Francisco Dutra de Andrade and Felipa Rosa de
Sao Jose.

    

Children of Francisco
Silveira de Medeiros and Ana Silveira are:

                        

    3    ii.    Inacia Eugenia da Silveira, born 08 Sep 1804 in 
Santissimo Trindade, Capelo; married Francisco
Pereira de Faria 22 Jul 1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

                      

 

 
On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:14:01 PM UTC-4, Olivia wrote:Thank you JR. 
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 12:11 AM JR  wrote:
After looking at the many records of Capelo, Faial, I have a much greater 
respect for the work that was done to compile the database. Many of the names 
in certain historical periods are so interchangeable that it is difficult not 
to make mistakes. I have discovered for instance that a name followed by 
question mark, indicates the finding is not certain and the family to which a 
baptism is ascribed is in doubt. So the best choice was made followed by the 
question mark. Another example is for the parents of Francisco Pereira de 
Faria, which are Francisco Pereira de Faria and Inacia Rosa. Should be easy, 
right? But the record (s) in the database show more than four options, none 
exact, and maybe more. It appears the authors decided not to choose which 
marriage is the correct one, because of the similar names in the same time 
period. It is quite a minefield, in my opinion. If the dispensations are 
available, this is the best option IMO. The July 22- 1833 marriage indicates 
the couple are related in the fourth degree.
JR

 
On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:It seems I made an 
error. I apologize. I was looking in a different village- that is Cedros. The 
marriage for Francisco Pereira Faria and Ignacia Eugenia da Silveira, in 
Capelo, July 22- 1833, is correct. See the link.
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836_item1/P76.html
He is filho de Francisco Pereira de Faria and Ignacia Roza; She is filha de 
Francisco Silveira de Medeiros and Anna Roza, naturais de Santissimo da 
Trindade, lugar de Capelo, where both were baptised.
JR


On Thursday, 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dead end

[JR]

Here is what I think your line should be. Barring new unknown evidence, 
this is the closest match I could find in the records. I crossed checked 
all this with the CITCEM site. They are exactly the same, except they I 
added a generation. I will send the source files to you email address along 
with the other generations. Is Maria Eugenia de Andrade your ancestor? And 
if so, who is she married to and the date. Thats should help reinforce 
these findings, or possibly cause a reassessment of the findings.

JR

 

*Ancestors of Maria Eugenia de Andrade*

 

 

*Generation No. 1*

 

*1.*  *Maria Eugenia de Andrade,* born 26 Apr 1834 in Santissimo 
Trindade, Capelo.  She was the daughter of *2. Francisco Pereira de Faria* 
and *3. Inacia Eugenia da Silveira*.

 

*Generation No. 2*

 

   *2.*  *Francisco Pereira de Faria,* born 19 Aug 1812 in Santissimo 
Trindade, Capelo.  He was the son of *4. Francisco Garcia de Faria* and *5. 
Rosa Inacia or Inacia Rosa*.  He married *3. Inacia Eugenia da Silveira* 22 
Jul 1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

*3.*  *Inacia Eugenia da Silveira,* born 08 Sep 1804 in Santissimo 
Trindade, Capelo.  She was the daughter of *6. Francisco Silveira de 
Medeiros* and *7. Ana Rosa da Silveira*.



Children of Francisco Pereira de Faria and Inacia Silveira are:

1 i.Maria Eugenia de Andrade, born 26 Apr 1834 
in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

   

 

*Generation No. 3*

 

*4.*  *Francisco Garcia de Faria,* born 21 Apr 1757 in Santissimo 
Trindade, Capelo.  He was the son of Matias Garcia and Ana de Faria.  He 
married *5. Rosa Inacia or Inacia Rosa* 15 Oct 1781 in Santissimo Trindade, 
Capelo.

*5.*  *Rosa Inacia or Inacia Rosa,* born Abt. 1761 in Santissimo 
Trindade, Capelo; died Bef. 13 Jan 1805 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  
She was the daughter of Antonio Dutra Leao and Catarina Dutra Bulcao.



Children of Francisco Garcia de Faria and Rosa are:

  

2   iv.Francisco Pereira de Faria, born 19 Aug 1812 
in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo; married Inacia Eugenia da Silveira 22 Jul 
1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

 

 

*6.*  *Francisco Silveira de Medeiros,* born 26 Feb 1758 in 
Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.  He was the son of Lourenco de Medeiros and 
Rosa Silveira de Faria.  He married *7. Ana Rosa da Silveira* 08 Nov 1790 
in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

*7.*  *Ana Rosa da Silveira,* born 06 Jan 1771 in Santissimo 
Trindade, Capelo.  She was the daughter of Francisco Dutra de Andrade and 
Felipa Rosa de Sao Jose.



Children of Francisco Silveira de Medeiros and Ana Silveira are:



3ii.Inacia Eugenia da Silveira, born 08 Sep 1804 
in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo; married Francisco Pereira de Faria 22 Jul 
1833 in Santissimo Trindade, Capelo.

  

 

 

On Monday, March 19, 2018 at 6:14:01 PM UTC-4, Olivia wrote:
>
> Thank you JR. 
>
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 12:11 AM JR > wrote:
>
>> After looking at the many records of Capelo, Faial, I have a much greater 
>> respect for the work that was done to compile the database. Many of the 
>> names in certain historical periods are so interchangeable that it is 
>> difficult not to make mistakes. I have discovered for instance that a name 
>> followed by question mark, indicates the finding is not certain and the 
>> family to which a baptism is ascribed is in doubt. So the best choice was 
>> made followed by the question mark. Another example is for the parents of 
>> Francisco Pereira de Faria, which are Francisco Pereira de Faria and Inacia 
>> Rosa. Should be easy, right? But the record (s) in the database show more 
>> than four options, none exact, and maybe more. It appears the authors 
>> decided not to choose which marriage is the correct one, because of the 
>> similar names in the same time period. It is quite a minefield, in my 
>> opinion. If the dispensations are available, this is the best option IMO. 
>> The July 22- 1833 marriage indicates the couple are related in the fourth 
>> degree.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>  
>> On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>>>
>>> It seems I made an error. I apologize. I was looking in a different 
>>> village- that is Cedros. The marriage for Francisco Pereira Faria and 
>>> Ignacia Eugenia da Silveira, in Capelo, July 22- 1833, is correct. See the 
>>> link.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836_item1/P76.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>>
>>> He is filho de Francisco Pereira de Faria and Ignacia Roza; She is filha 
>>> de Francisco Silveira de Medeiros and Ann

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for documentation of g.grandfather Antonio Goncalves Born 1877

[Cheri Mello]

I am on my cell. I see an attached image. One side is a Constanino and the
other is Josė.

You still haven't said why you are picking Flores island and that parish. I
believe in your original message you said you only knew that your ancestor
was born in the Azores. I don't understand what has led you to N.S. da
Conceição on Flores. Cheri

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Dead end

[noelia andrade]

Thank you JR.

On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 12:11 AM JR  wrote:

> After looking at the many records of Capelo, Faial, I have a much greater
> respect for the work that was done to compile the database. Many of the
> names in certain historical periods are so interchangeable that it is
> difficult not to make mistakes. I have discovered for instance that a name
> followed by question mark, indicates the finding is not certain and the
> family to which a baptism is ascribed is in doubt. So the best choice was
> made followed by the question mark. Another example is for the parents of
> Francisco Pereira de Faria, which are Francisco Pereira de Faria and Inacia
> Rosa. Should be easy, right? But the record (s) in the database show more
> than four options, none exact, and maybe more. It appears the authors
> decided not to choose which marriage is the correct one, because of the
> similar names in the same time period. It is quite a minefield, in my
> opinion. If the dispensations are available, this is the best option IMO.
> The July 22- 1833 marriage indicates the couple are related in the fourth
> degree.
>
> JR
>
>
> On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 9:27:07 AM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>>
>> It seems I made an error. I apologize. I was looking in a different
>> village- that is Cedros. The marriage for Francisco Pereira Faria and
>> Ignacia Eugenia da Silveira, in Capelo, July 22- 1833, is correct. See the
>> link.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836/FAL-HT-CAPELO-C-1818-1836_item1/P76.html
>> 
>>
>> He is filho de Francisco Pereira de Faria and Ignacia Roza; She is filha
>> de Francisco Silveira de Medeiros and Anna Roza, naturais de Santissimo da
>> Trindade, lugar de Capelo, where both were baptised.
>>
>> JR
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 10:12:55 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:
>>>
>>> Rosemarie, you are not kidding. the record on the uminho site is for
>>> Jose Pereira Faria cc Ana Clara Escobar, not a Francisco Pereira Faria. And
>>> the date is Oct 5 - 1833, not July 22- 1833. He re is the link:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847/FAL-HT-CEDROS-C-1829-1847_item1/P28.html
>>>
>>> Olivia I may have some info for you from Faial that I collected when I
>>> was helping someone. I would like to share it with you if it helps you.
>>> However, at this point I am quite confused on what you are looking for.
>>> Thought it was Pereira Garcia, now I learn it is Pereira Faria. Can you
>>> post what you have, or send it to me so I can see if there is a match. I
>>> will send you what I have if there is a match.
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 6:28:51 PM UTC-4, rcapodc wrote:

 Olivia, the site for Faial is www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt and you can do the
 searching yourself. The only thing is that you need to verify whatever you
 get off of the site by going to the government site with the actual
 documents @ www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig
 If you have questions about either site, just email me and I can walk
 you through it all.



 Rosemarie
 rcap...@gmail.com
 Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
 Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

 On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:46 PM, Olivia  wrote:

> Yes it is Faria not Garia. My autocorrect kicked in. I'm excited
> because people seem to have information for me
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