Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives please help

[Cheri Mello]

Oooo, someone just got lucky!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 7:54 PM Nelia DiBiase 
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I’m from Capelas and my father who is 78 has a very very sharp memory.  If
> you have any info on your parents if they lived in Capelas then I can ask
> him about your family etc and he may be able to remember something about
> your grandparents my grandfather was born in 1913 so your ancestors are
> younger which would probably mean that my father may remember them.
>
> In Capelas everyone pretty much knew one another.
>
> Regards,
>
> Nelia.
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:03 PM Horace Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information
>> on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some names that i
>> found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have too much
>> information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out
>> any information about my grandfather and his relatives.  Specifically links
>> to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that will help me complete
>> a picture of where I came from.
>>
>> Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I
>> joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who
>> proceeded me.  Thank you.
>>
>> This is what I have for names:
>>
>> Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he
>> was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother
>> of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
>>
>> Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something
>> please share!
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives please help

[Nelia DiBiase]

Hi there,

I’m from Capelas and my father who is 78 has a very very sharp memory.  If
you have any info on your parents if they lived in Capelas then I can ask
him about your family etc and he may be able to remember something about
your grandparents my grandfather was born in 1913 so your ancestors are
younger which would probably mean that my father may remember them.

In Capelas everyone pretty much knew one another.

Regards,

Nelia.

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 8:03 PM Horace Mello  wrote:

> Good afternoon everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information
> on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some names that i
> found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have too much
> information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out
> any information about my grandfather and his relatives.  Specifically links
> to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that will help me complete
> a picture of where I came from.
>
> Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I
> joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who
> proceeded me.  Thank you.
>
> This is what I have for names:
>
> Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he was
> the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother of
> the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
>
> Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something
> please share!
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives please help

[Cheri Mello]

Horace,

I believe the online web site asks you for your Portuguese I.D. card. I'm
not sure how you'd get one when you reside in the U.S. You may need to hire
Joao Ventura to obtain it for you. He lives in the Azores, so he'd have the
correct identification. I suggest you email him with your ancestor's full
name, complete date of birth, who the parents are, and the freguesia of
Capelas on Sao Miguel island. Joao is bilingual, so you can write him in
whatever language you prefer. His direct email is heroi99 at yahoo.com

Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:14 PM Horace Melo  wrote:

> No Portuguese I.D. card for me!  Born in the states. Am I still eligible
> for one?
>
> I know I can get the exact date from my father. Manuel came with his wife
> Maria Benevedes.
>
> Best,
> Horace
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 8:07 PM Cheri Mello 
>> Hi Horace,
>>
>> Do you have the exact birth date of your Manuel b. 1931 and died 15 Sept
>> 2013? The trick to working with the Civil Registry is having the EXACT date.
>>
>> If your Manuel came to Fall River with HIS mother (your grandmother), you
>> should trace HER. If your Manuel was born in 1931, his mom may have been
>> born in 1911 or maybe earlier. You will then be able to use the records
>> online!
>>
>> If you have your Manuel's EXACT birth, you can order online, but you have
>> to have your Portuguese I.D. card. Do you have one of those?
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:02 PM Horace Melo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I know Manuel came to Fall River in 1966 with my grandmother and passed
>>> away in Fall River on September 15, 2013.
>>>
>>> So good news there. You mentioned being able to purchase a record.  Is
>>> there a certain way to purchase a record?
>>>
>>> Thank you so much Cheri!
>>>
>>> Horace
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 7:44 PM Cheri Mello >>
 Hi Horace,

 Yay, progress!

 The Azores (and most countries and regions) have their privacy
 concerns. So protections are in place for those who may be living. You
 won't find a 1931 birth or baptism from the Azores online anywhere. The
 books may be sent to the corresponding archive in 2035. And since you are
 talking about Sao Miguel, I don't know what they are going to do. The
 archive said they are out of room. The Civil Registry has the records. If
 you have the EXACT date, you can order a record from that particular Civil
 Registry. They won't do a search for you however. :(

 In your original post you said this about your ancestor:

 <>>> he was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the
 brother of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.>>

 So your Manuel P. Melo was born in 1931 in Capelas? When and where did
 he die? Was he the immigrant or did he immigrate with his parents? His
 siblings: Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melowere they
 older or younger? Do you have an EXACT date of birth on one of them? If you
 do, order their birth which will name the same parents and grandparents as
 your Manuel.

 Hope one of these strategies work!
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:35 PM Horace Melo 
 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was able to get a year if 1931 for my grandfather from Capelas. The
> church books only seem to go to 1911.
>
> Are there resources available for 1931?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Horace
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 8:12 PM Cheri Mello 
>> Horace,
>>
>> The 3 pieces that you need are a name, date, and a place. You have
>> the names and a place. You need a date or a range. My grandparents were
>> born in the early 1900s. My dad's grandparents were born in the 1880s.
>> Saying "grandparents" gives us no clue at all to the date because it's
>> relative to you. So you need to put a range on it.
>>
>> Once you get an approximate date, you can search Capelas on the
>> tombo.pt web site. It's a portal the Azorean government records.
>> 1) Go to tombo.pt (or tombo.pt/en if you need to navigate in
>> English).
>> 2) Type Capelas in the left column. Hit enter.
>> 3) You want the one with the church called Nossa Senhora da
>> Apresentação. Click that one.
>> 4) Start hunting.
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:03 PM Horace 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives please help

[Horace Melo]

No Portuguese I.D. card for me!  Born in the states. Am I still eligible
for one?

I know I can get the exact date from my father. Manuel came with his wife
Maria Benevedes.

Best,
Horace

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 8:07 PM Cheri Mello  Hi Horace,
>
> Do you have the exact birth date of your Manuel b. 1931 and died 15 Sept
> 2013? The trick to working with the Civil Registry is having the EXACT date.
>
> If your Manuel came to Fall River with HIS mother (your grandmother), you
> should trace HER. If your Manuel was born in 1931, his mom may have been
> born in 1911 or maybe earlier. You will then be able to use the records
> online!
>
> If you have your Manuel's EXACT birth, you can order online, but you have
> to have your Portuguese I.D. card. Do you have one of those?
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:02 PM Horace Melo  wrote:
>
>> I know Manuel came to Fall River in 1966 with my grandmother and passed
>> away in Fall River on September 15, 2013.
>>
>> So good news there. You mentioned being able to purchase a record.  Is
>> there a certain way to purchase a record?
>>
>> Thank you so much Cheri!
>>
>> Horace
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 7:44 PM Cheri Mello >
>>> Hi Horace,
>>>
>>> Yay, progress!
>>>
>>> The Azores (and most countries and regions) have their privacy concerns.
>>> So protections are in place for those who may be living. You won't find a
>>> 1931 birth or baptism from the Azores online anywhere. The books may be
>>> sent to the corresponding archive in 2035. And since you are talking about
>>> Sao Miguel, I don't know what they are going to do. The archive said they
>>> are out of room. The Civil Registry has the records. If you have the EXACT
>>> date, you can order a record from that particular Civil Registry. They
>>> won't do a search for you however. :(
>>>
>>> In your original post you said this about your ancestor:
>>>
>>> <>> was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother
>>> of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.>>
>>>
>>> So your Manuel P. Melo was born in 1931 in Capelas? When and where did
>>> he die? Was he the immigrant or did he immigrate with his parents? His
>>> siblings: Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melowere they
>>> older or younger? Do you have an EXACT date of birth on one of them? If you
>>> do, order their birth which will name the same parents and grandparents as
>>> your Manuel.
>>>
>>> Hope one of these strategies work!
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:35 PM Horace Melo 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi all,

 I was able to get a year if 1931 for my grandfather from Capelas. The
 church books only seem to go to 1911.

 Are there resources available for 1931?

 Thank you!

 Horace

 On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 8:12 PM Cheri Mello >>>
> Horace,
>
> The 3 pieces that you need are a name, date, and a place. You have the
> names and a place. You need a date or a range. My grandparents were born 
> in
> the early 1900s. My dad's grandparents were born in the 1880s. Saying
> "grandparents" gives us no clue at all to the date because it's relative 
> to
> you. So you need to put a range on it.
>
> Once you get an approximate date, you can search Capelas on the
> tombo.pt web site. It's a portal the Azorean government records.
> 1) Go to tombo.pt (or tombo.pt/en if you need to navigate in English).
> 2) Type Capelas in the left column. Hit enter.
> 3) You want the one with the church called Nossa Senhora da
> Apresentação. Click that one.
> 4) Start hunting.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:03 PM Horace Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any
>> information on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some
>> names that i found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not 
>> have
>> too much information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help 
>> me
>> find out any information about my grandfather and his relatives.
>> Specifically links to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that
>> will help me complete a picture of where I came from.
>>
>> Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I
>> joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who
>> proceeded me.  Thank you.
>>
>> This is what I have for names:

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hello & Introduction

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi!
I am so sorry, I figured my story was a little jumbled. I was just so
excited to finally find some like minded people.  It's very difficult to
get any straight answers from family mainly because they do not remember.
Most of my family is gone so this becomes a real chore. I started with my
family that is alive and went backwards. My mother's side is fairly simple,
it's just a matter of finding records in Cultura Acores and cross
referencing with whatever records we have that we know to be true.

I would really like to find out more about my great grandmother who my
mother always referred to as Monica de Jesus. I recently found out that one
of her daughter's "cedulas" her name is listed as Maria do Rosario Monica,
it is not clear why this is, I will refer to her as Monica going forward.
I can imagine that maybe she was baptized as Monica but registered by the
other name. I found a baptism certificate for a Monica that was an exposta.
I also found a marriage certificate for Monica de Jesus and Vitorino
Medeiros (I know for sure they are my grandparents). In the marriage
certificate Monica's parents are listed as icognitos. The confusion is when
it comes to their children's baptismal certificates. Sometimes Monica is
referred to as Maria do Rosario Monica, sometimes Monica de Jesus. Some
children she lists one couple as her parents, other children a different
couple. I know that these records are correct, I was just wondering if
maybe there was some way to see if she had been adopted or raised by
someone.

I tested my DNA with AncestryDNA. Other than Ancestry, Cultura Acores,
Family Tree, I don't know of any other place to look.

On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 19:02, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Hi Leonor B,
>
> Many Portuguese didn't have last names historically, especially women.
>
> It's hard to follow your story as we all have 2 grandfathers and 2
> grandmothers. It's not always stated in your story which if paternal and
> which is maternal. You may just find it easier to use their names when
> dealing with a genealogy group or list. Typing out "My paternal
> grandfather" gets to be tedious and it's hard for the reader to follow.
>
> Your brother says your paternal grandfather (pai incognito) is Joao Afonso
> de Oliveira. This would be on your mainland (Aljezur or Algrave) side.
> There's 2 ways to test this theory. You can find a descendant of Joao
> Afonso de Oliviera and get them to DNA test and see if you match. Or your
> brother could take a Y-DNA test (that's your father's father's father's or
> the top of the pedigree chart) and wait for a match to come along, from
> someone else who has built the paper trail beyond your Joao Afonso de
> Oliveira. The only company that tests Y-DNA for genealogy and provides
> matching is Family Tree DNA.
>
> You mention you have tested your DNA. With which company? If it's not
> FTDNA, you need to transfer over (it's free and so are the matches). Fish
> in as many ponds as you can to find those cousins. Or you (and your
> brother) can test on FTDNA's platform. Yes, you and your brother should
> both DNA test as you have inherited different quarters of your
> grandparents' DNA.
>
> Expostos or expostas don't have records in the Azores. Not too sure what
> the continent has. When working the records in the Azores, if a parent (or
> both) come forward and claim the baby, it may be noted in that baby's
> baptism margin. Sometimes the church kept a separate book of
> legitimizations. If you are using Tombo.pt to access the records, it's easy
> to tell which churches kept these books. I don't know why your ancestor
> names one couple and then another as her parents. You could have
> inadvertently have the wrong record. Maybe your ancestor gave the name of
> the couple that raised her (although that's unlikely in the Azorean records
> - they just usually say pais incognitos), or maybe she knew who they were
> and was naming the real ones. It's really hard to actually know.
>
> I think the best strategy for you would be to work from the known to the
> unknown. Work the lines with the known parents to gain the experience and
> search techniques that you need. Once you are getting pretty comfortable
> with your research skills, then go tackle those mystery lines.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 12:51 PM  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> I am new to the group and to Genealogy in general. I was always curious
>> but I finally took the plunge in January. I am hoping to get some guidance
>> from those more experienced. Here's a little bit of my story:
>>
>> My father is from Aljezur (small town in Algarve). I do not know much
>> about his family, he went to Sao Miguel, Azores in the army, where he met
>> my mother. Money was tight, so we never met his family. The story is that
>> my grandmother worked in a brothel or was a lady of the night. She 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives please help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Horace,

Do you have the exact birth date of your Manuel b. 1931 and died 15 Sept
2013? The trick to working with the Civil Registry is having the EXACT date.

If your Manuel came to Fall River with HIS mother (your grandmother), you
should trace HER. If your Manuel was born in 1931, his mom may have been
born in 1911 or maybe earlier. You will then be able to use the records
online!

If you have your Manuel's EXACT birth, you can order online, but you have
to have your Portuguese I.D. card. Do you have one of those?
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 5:02 PM Horace Melo  wrote:

> I know Manuel came to Fall River in 1966 with my grandmother and passed
> away in Fall River on September 15, 2013.
>
> So good news there. You mentioned being able to purchase a record.  Is
> there a certain way to purchase a record?
>
> Thank you so much Cheri!
>
> Horace
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 7:44 PM Cheri Mello 
>> Hi Horace,
>>
>> Yay, progress!
>>
>> The Azores (and most countries and regions) have their privacy concerns.
>> So protections are in place for those who may be living. You won't find a
>> 1931 birth or baptism from the Azores online anywhere. The books may be
>> sent to the corresponding archive in 2035. And since you are talking about
>> Sao Miguel, I don't know what they are going to do. The archive said they
>> are out of room. The Civil Registry has the records. If you have the EXACT
>> date, you can order a record from that particular Civil Registry. They
>> won't do a search for you however. :(
>>
>> In your original post you said this about your ancestor:
>>
>> <> was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother
>> of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.>>
>>
>> So your Manuel P. Melo was born in 1931 in Capelas? When and where did he
>> die? Was he the immigrant or did he immigrate with his parents? His
>> siblings: Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melowere they
>> older or younger? Do you have an EXACT date of birth on one of them? If you
>> do, order their birth which will name the same parents and grandparents as
>> your Manuel.
>>
>> Hope one of these strategies work!
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:35 PM Horace Melo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I was able to get a year if 1931 for my grandfather from Capelas. The
>>> church books only seem to go to 1911.
>>>
>>> Are there resources available for 1931?
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> Horace
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 8:12 PM Cheri Mello >>
 Horace,

 The 3 pieces that you need are a name, date, and a place. You have the
 names and a place. You need a date or a range. My grandparents were born in
 the early 1900s. My dad's grandparents were born in the 1880s. Saying
 "grandparents" gives us no clue at all to the date because it's relative to
 you. So you need to put a range on it.

 Once you get an approximate date, you can search Capelas on the
 tombo.pt web site. It's a portal the Azorean government records.
 1) Go to tombo.pt (or tombo.pt/en if you need to navigate in English).
 2) Type Capelas in the left column. Hit enter.
 3) You want the one with the church called Nossa Senhora da
 Apresentação. Click that one.
 4) Start hunting.
 Good luck,
 Cheri Mello
 Listowner, Azores-Gen
 Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
 Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


 On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:03 PM Horace Mello 
 wrote:

> Good afternoon everyone,
>
> I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any
> information on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some
> names that i found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have
> too much information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help 
> me
> find out any information about my grandfather and his relatives.
> Specifically links to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that
> will help me complete a picture of where I came from.
>
> Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I
> joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who
> proceeded me.  Thank you.
>
> This is what I have for names:
>
> Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he
> was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother
> of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
>
> Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know
> something please share!
>
>
> --
> You received this message 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives please help

[Horace Melo]

I know Manuel came to Fall River in 1966 with my grandmother and passed
away in Fall River on September 15, 2013.

So good news there. You mentioned being able to purchase a record.  Is
there a certain way to purchase a record?

Thank you so much Cheri!

Horace

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019, 7:44 PM Cheri Mello  Hi Horace,
>
> Yay, progress!
>
> The Azores (and most countries and regions) have their privacy concerns.
> So protections are in place for those who may be living. You won't find a
> 1931 birth or baptism from the Azores online anywhere. The books may be
> sent to the corresponding archive in 2035. And since you are talking about
> Sao Miguel, I don't know what they are going to do. The archive said they
> are out of room. The Civil Registry has the records. If you have the EXACT
> date, you can order a record from that particular Civil Registry. They
> won't do a search for you however. :(
>
> In your original post you said this about your ancestor:
>
> < was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother
> of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.>>
>
> So your Manuel P. Melo was born in 1931 in Capelas? When and where did he
> die? Was he the immigrant or did he immigrate with his parents? His
> siblings: Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melowere they
> older or younger? Do you have an EXACT date of birth on one of them? If you
> do, order their birth which will name the same parents and grandparents as
> your Manuel.
>
> Hope one of these strategies work!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:35 PM Horace Melo  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was able to get a year if 1931 for my grandfather from Capelas. The
>> church books only seem to go to 1911.
>>
>> Are there resources available for 1931?
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Horace
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 8:12 PM Cheri Mello >
>>> Horace,
>>>
>>> The 3 pieces that you need are a name, date, and a place. You have the
>>> names and a place. You need a date or a range. My grandparents were born in
>>> the early 1900s. My dad's grandparents were born in the 1880s. Saying
>>> "grandparents" gives us no clue at all to the date because it's relative to
>>> you. So you need to put a range on it.
>>>
>>> Once you get an approximate date, you can search Capelas on the tombo.pt
>>> web site. It's a portal the Azorean government records.
>>> 1) Go to tombo.pt (or tombo.pt/en if you need to navigate in English).
>>> 2) Type Capelas in the left column. Hit enter.
>>> 3) You want the one with the church called Nossa Senhora da
>>> Apresentação. Click that one.
>>> 4) Start hunting.
>>> Good luck,
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:03 PM Horace Mello 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Good afternoon everyone,

 I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any
 information on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some
 names that i found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have
 too much information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me
 find out any information about my grandfather and his relatives.
 Specifically links to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that
 will help me complete a picture of where I came from.

 Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I
 joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who
 proceeded me.  Thank you.

 This is what I have for names:

 Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he
 was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother
 of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.

 Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something
 please share!


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestor info- Antonio Brier

[luiznoia]

The Diairo de Noticias was published in New Bedford, so that's the city the
sister lives in.

Eric

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:39 PM luiznoia  wrote:

> Here is a sister for captain Anthony Brier in this 1919 news entry
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 7:51 AM "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> Corinne,
>>
>> I found an Antonio Brier born in Fayal/Faial Azores 2/27/1872.  Arrived
>> in New Bedford 3/30/1888.  Naturalized in 1900.  So from what I can figure
>> outthis is the Portuguese side of your family tree.  Jon F. Barnes
>> married his daughter Josephine Brier.  Josephine's mother is not
>> Portuguese.  If Antonio came to US in 1888, which would have made him 16
>> which would mean married here...probably in MA? Josephine was born in the
>> United States.  I would look at the Passportes working back from
>> 3/30/1888.  Others on the list can tell you what port he would have left
>> from as I am not sure of this. At my age, I have difficulty reading these
>> Passportes records.  I will keep searching.
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 9:37 PM Margaret Vicente <
>> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You may have to search through Faial and Sao Jorge islands birth
>>> records.  I did a white pages directory search and found the surname Braia
>>> in Castelo Branco Faial.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A quick check of the Horta passports turned up a Braia out of the island
>>> of Sao Jorge. Nothing from Faial for those dates.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Margaret
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From: *Corinne Merritt 
>>> *Sent: *February 4, 2019 10:11 PM
>>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Ancestor info- Antonio Brier
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josephine married John F Barnes and her maiden name was Brier- it lists
>>> her father as Antonio and her mother as Catherine Boskovich, but the family
>>> name is Voskovich.  I cannot find any records that they were married or
>>> even together on a census. (Antonio and Catherine)   There is an Antionio
>>> (Anthony) Brier (and Bryer) and Catherine O'Brien married in
>>> Massachusetts,   Antonio came to New Bedford Mass per his naturalization
>>> record, if in fact that one is my ancestor.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 4, 2019 at 11:42:43 AM UTC-6, E. Sharp wrote:
>>>
>>> In the 1930 U. S. census there is a John Viskovich 54 to US 1895,
>>> Josephine 38 to US 1909, both born in Yugoslavia (Croatia) NA Plumber,
>>> children Nicholas, 19, Michael, 18, Theresa, 17, Anna, 15, Antonio 11. All
>>> kids born NY. Living in Messina, St. Lawrence County NY. Also 2 boarders.
>>> I am very aware of this name changing as my family came from Yugoslavia now
>>> Croatia in 1800 to Portugal and depending on where the family is now living
>>> the name is spelled 4 different ways!!!  Living now in Croatia, Italy,
>>> Portugal, Brazil and U. S. Oh. Also Costa Rica. And eventually I found all
>>> of them and visited them in these countries.  Keep searching!!!
>>>
>>> “E”
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives please help

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Horace,

Yay, progress!

The Azores (and most countries and regions) have their privacy concerns. So
protections are in place for those who may be living. You won't find a 1931
birth or baptism from the Azores online anywhere. The books may be sent to
the corresponding archive in 2035. And since you are talking about Sao
Miguel, I don't know what they are going to do. The archive said they are
out of room. The Civil Registry has the records. If you have the EXACT
date, you can order a record from that particular Civil Registry. They
won't do a search for you however. :(

In your original post you said this about your ancestor:

<>

So your Manuel P. Melo was born in 1931 in Capelas? When and where did he
die? Was he the immigrant or did he immigrate with his parents? His
siblings: Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melowere they
older or younger? Do you have an EXACT date of birth on one of them? If you
do, order their birth which will name the same parents and grandparents as
your Manuel.

Hope one of these strategies work!
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:35 PM Horace Melo  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I was able to get a year if 1931 for my grandfather from Capelas. The
> church books only seem to go to 1911.
>
> Are there resources available for 1931?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Horace
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 8:12 PM Cheri Mello 
>> Horace,
>>
>> The 3 pieces that you need are a name, date, and a place. You have the
>> names and a place. You need a date or a range. My grandparents were born in
>> the early 1900s. My dad's grandparents were born in the 1880s. Saying
>> "grandparents" gives us no clue at all to the date because it's relative to
>> you. So you need to put a range on it.
>>
>> Once you get an approximate date, you can search Capelas on the tombo.pt
>> web site. It's a portal the Azorean government records.
>> 1) Go to tombo.pt (or tombo.pt/en if you need to navigate in English).
>> 2) Type Capelas in the left column. Hit enter.
>> 3) You want the one with the church called Nossa Senhora da Apresentação.
>> Click that one.
>> 4) Start hunting.
>> Good luck,
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:03 PM Horace Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>>
>>> I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information
>>> on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some names that i
>>> found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have too much
>>> information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out
>>> any information about my grandfather and his relatives.  Specifically links
>>> to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that will help me complete
>>> a picture of where I came from.
>>>
>>> Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I
>>> joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who
>>> proceeded me.  Thank you.
>>>
>>> This is what I have for names:
>>>
>>> Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he
>>> was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother
>>> of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
>>>
>>> Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something
>>> please share!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for background on relatives please help

[Horace Melo]

Hi all,

I was able to get a year if 1931 for my grandfather from Capelas. The
church books only seem to go to 1911.

Are there resources available for 1931?

Thank you!

Horace

On Tue, Oct 9, 2018, 8:12 PM Cheri Mello  Horace,
>
> The 3 pieces that you need are a name, date, and a place. You have the
> names and a place. You need a date or a range. My grandparents were born in
> the early 1900s. My dad's grandparents were born in the 1880s. Saying
> "grandparents" gives us no clue at all to the date because it's relative to
> you. So you need to put a range on it.
>
> Once you get an approximate date, you can search Capelas on the tombo.pt
> web site. It's a portal the Azorean government records.
> 1) Go to tombo.pt (or tombo.pt/en if you need to navigate in English).
> 2) Type Capelas in the left column. Hit enter.
> 3) You want the one with the church called Nossa Senhora da Apresentação.
> Click that one.
> 4) Start hunting.
> Good luck,
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2018 at 5:03 PM Horace Mello 
> wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone could assist me in finding out any information
>> on my father's side of the family.  Below I will provide some names that i
>> found in an obituary for my grandfather.  While I do not have too much
>> information, I was wondering if anyone on this forum could help me find out
>> any information about my grandfather and his relatives.  Specifically links
>> to databases, pictures, records, etc.  Anything that will help me complete
>> a picture of where I came from.
>>
>> Any assistance anyone could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I
>> joined just now in hopes to learn more about myself and the people who
>> proceeded me.  Thank you.
>>
>> This is what I have for names:
>>
>> Manuel P. Melo: Born in Teatro Novo, Capelas, St. Michael, Azores, he
>> was the son of the late Joao and Margarida (de Paiva) Melo and the brother
>> of the late Maria dos Anjos Paiva Medeiros and Jose Paiva Melo.
>>
>> Again, not much but if there is anyone out there who may know something
>> please share!
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Hello & Introduction

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Leonor B,

Many Portuguese didn't have last names historically, especially women.

It's hard to follow your story as we all have 2 grandfathers and 2
grandmothers. It's not always stated in your story which if paternal and
which is maternal. You may just find it easier to use their names when
dealing with a genealogy group or list. Typing out "My paternal
grandfather" gets to be tedious and it's hard for the reader to follow.

Your brother says your paternal grandfather (pai incognito) is Joao Afonso
de Oliveira. This would be on your mainland (Aljezur or Algrave) side.
There's 2 ways to test this theory. You can find a descendant of Joao
Afonso de Oliviera and get them to DNA test and see if you match. Or your
brother could take a Y-DNA test (that's your father's father's father's or
the top of the pedigree chart) and wait for a match to come along, from
someone else who has built the paper trail beyond your Joao Afonso de
Oliveira. The only company that tests Y-DNA for genealogy and provides
matching is Family Tree DNA.

You mention you have tested your DNA. With which company? If it's not
FTDNA, you need to transfer over (it's free and so are the matches). Fish
in as many ponds as you can to find those cousins. Or you (and your
brother) can test on FTDNA's platform. Yes, you and your brother should
both DNA test as you have inherited different quarters of your
grandparents' DNA.

Expostos or expostas don't have records in the Azores. Not too sure what
the continent has. When working the records in the Azores, if a parent (or
both) come forward and claim the baby, it may be noted in that baby's
baptism margin. Sometimes the church kept a separate book of
legitimizations. If you are using Tombo.pt to access the records, it's easy
to tell which churches kept these books. I don't know why your ancestor
names one couple and then another as her parents. You could have
inadvertently have the wrong record. Maybe your ancestor gave the name of
the couple that raised her (although that's unlikely in the Azorean records
- they just usually say pais incognitos), or maybe she knew who they were
and was naming the real ones. It's really hard to actually know.

I think the best strategy for you would be to work from the known to the
unknown. Work the lines with the known parents to gain the experience and
search techniques that you need. Once you are getting pretty comfortable
with your research skills, then go tackle those mystery lines.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 12:51 PM  wrote:

> Hello,
> I am new to the group and to Genealogy in general. I was always curious
> but I finally took the plunge in January. I am hoping to get some guidance
> from those more experienced. Here's a little bit of my story:
>
> My father is from Aljezur (small town in Algarve). I do not know much
> about his family, he went to Sao Miguel, Azores in the army, where he met
> my mother. Money was tight, so we never met his family. The story is that
> my grandmother worked in a brothel or was a lady of the night. She had 3
> kids, 2 boys and a girl, I believe.  My birth certificate says that my
> paternal grandfather is unknown, however, my brother's says that it was
> someone by the name of Joao Afonso de Oliveira. My brother is 11 years
> older than I, I'm not sure what happened in those 11 years that made my
> father forget who his father was. My father did not have a last name, his
> name was Armando Joao. Myself and my siblings were given the last name of
> Oliveira. To complicate matters, my mother did not have a last name either
> but she went by (Maria Amelia) Soares Manteiga. I have been able to find a
> lot of baptismal certificates which explains some things, I have even been
> able to connect with a 4th cousin by DNA and through our trees. If this
> wasn't complicated enough, I found out that my great grandmother (on my
> mother's side) was an "exposta". Some documents she lists one couple as her
> parents and in other documents she names a different couple. Both couples
> are different from her godparents. I would like to know if there are any
> records, that you know of, for the "expostos", who raised them? Is there a
> database I can look at? There is a blank from the time my great grandmother
> was baptized and when she got married. My grandmother (my mother's mom)
> lived in the Azil for 4 years after her husband died. She had 4 young
> children and could not afford to raise them on her own so the entire family
> lived in the Azil until my grandmother remarried. Is there any way for me
> to find out any more information about this? I was born in Sao Miguel, I
> have been in Canada for bout 36 years, I am fluent in Portuguese but I am
> having a difficult time with this, I think it's because I am doing the
> wrong searches, or lack of experience. Thank you in advance!!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt

[Cheri Mello]

"x" is an abbreviation for "ch." You'll also see "Paxeco" in some records
for Pacheco. I'm sure there are other examples as well.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:02 PM David Leitz  wrote:

> I show the last name as being spelled Caxeta. Francisco Pereira Caxeta is
> a child of Manuel Pereira Caxeta and Maria Silveira and 45 years old.
> (Manuel's mother's brother) This would make him Manuel's uncle. I have not
> seen the name of Antonio Homem da Costa before. These mysterious names that
> pop up!
>
> Thank you Sam, Bill and Cheri for your help!
>
> Linda
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:04 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> Yes, they invoke the Virgin Mary (Nossa Senhora or Our Lady) by someone
>> touching the crown. It was typically done before the 3rd time period, but I
>> still see it here and there in the 3rd time period records.
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:41 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is
>>> single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said.  I think the
>>> confusing part is that they did not name a godmother.  Instead it says that
>>> for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue
>>> and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason).  I assume he
>>> must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it.  I am
>>> not familiar with this practice.
>>>
>>> My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it.
>>>
>>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt

[David Leitz]

I show the last name as being spelled Caxeta. Francisco Pereira Caxeta is a
child of Manuel Pereira Caxeta and Maria Silveira and 45 years old.
(Manuel's mother's brother) This would make him Manuel's uncle. I have not
seen the name of Antonio Homem da Costa before. These mysterious names that
pop up!

Thank you Sam, Bill and Cheri for your help!

Linda

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:04 AM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, they invoke the Virgin Mary (Nossa Senhora or Our Lady) by someone
> touching the crown. It was typically done before the 3rd time period, but I
> still see it here and there in the 3rd time period records.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:41 AM  wrote:
>
>> After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is
>> single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said.  I think the
>> confusing part is that they did not name a godmother.  Instead it says that
>> for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue
>> and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason).  I assume he
>> must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it.  I am
>> not familiar with this practice.
>>
>> My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Hello & Introduction

[leonor . bertoni]

Hello,
I am new to the group and to Genealogy in general. I was always curious but 
I finally took the plunge in January. I am hoping to get some guidance from 
those more experienced. Here's a little bit of my story:

My father is from Aljezur (small town in Algarve). I do not know much about 
his family, he went to Sao Miguel, Azores in the army, where he met my 
mother. Money was tight, so we never met his family. The story is that my 
grandmother worked in a brothel or was a lady of the night. She had 3 kids, 
2 boys and a girl, I believe.  My birth certificate says that my paternal 
grandfather is unknown, however, my brother's says that it was someone by 
the name of Joao Afonso de Oliveira. My brother is 11 years older than I, 
I'm not sure what happened in those 11 years that made my father forget who 
his father was. My father did not have a last name, his name was Armando 
Joao. Myself and my siblings were given the last name of Oliveira. To 
complicate matters, my mother did not have a last name either but she went 
by (Maria Amelia) Soares Manteiga. I have been able to find a lot of 
baptismal certificates which explains some things, I have even been able to 
connect with a 4th cousin by DNA and through our trees. If this wasn't 
complicated enough, I found out that my great grandmother (on my mother's 
side) was an "exposta". Some documents she lists one couple as her parents 
and in other documents she names a different couple. Both couples are 
different from her godparents. I would like to know if there are any 
records, that you know of, for the "expostos", who raised them? Is there a 
database I can look at? There is a blank from the time my great grandmother 
was baptized and when she got married. My grandmother (my mother's mom) 
lived in the Azil for 4 years after her husband died. She had 4 young 
children and could not afford to raise them on her own so the entire family 
lived in the Azil until my grandmother remarried. Is there any way for me 
to find out any more information about this? I was born in Sao Miguel, I 
have been in Canada for bout 36 years, I am fluent in Portuguese but I am 
having a difficult time with this, I think it's because I am doing the 
wrong searches, or lack of experience. Thank you in advance!!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi,
Invoking the the parish saint (for my town, it was Nossa Senhora do
Rosario) was common practice back then. Normally, they just referred to her
as "Nossa Senhora".  Someone needed to represent Nossa Senhora and it was
normally the Sacristan or someone chosen by the family.


On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 14:04, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Yes, they invoke the Virgin Mary (Nossa Senhora or Our Lady) by someone
> touching the crown. It was typically done before the 3rd time period, but I
> still see it here and there in the 3rd time period records.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:41 AM  wrote:
>
>> After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is
>> single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said.  I think the
>> confusing part is that they did not name a godmother.  Instead it says that
>> for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue
>> and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason).  I assume he
>> must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it.  I am
>> not familiar with this practice.
>>
>> My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it.
>>
>> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] RootsTech video

['Joana Lima Rocha' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Al, 

You should post this to the Facebook groups Azores Genealogy, São Miguel 
Geneology, Santa Maria Geneology, etc. I’m sure you will find many interested 
in your video and pick up a few votes too. Good luck 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, they invoke the Virgin Mary (Nossa Senhora or Our Lady) by someone
touching the crown. It was typically done before the 3rd time period, but I
still see it here and there in the 3rd time period records.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:41 AM  wrote:

> After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is
> single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said.  I think the
> confusing part is that they did not name a godmother.  Instead it says that
> for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue
> and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason).  I assume he
> must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it.  I am
> not familiar with this practice.
>
> My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it.
>
> Bill Seidler
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt

[bsei2816]

After the godfather, which as Sam said is Antonio Homem da Costa (who is 
single), it is mostly the normal church script as Cheri said.  I think the 
confusing part is that they did not name a godmother.  Instead it says that 
for Madrinha they invoked Nossa Senhora touching the crown of the statue 
and it names Francisco Pereira Cachete (a married stonemason).  I assume he 
must the one that did the invocation or is named as a witness to it.  I am 
not familiar with this practice.  

My translation might not be exact but I hope it gets the gist of it.

Bill Seidler

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt

[Cheri Mello]

David L,

Can you specify what parts? After the godparents, it's the usual church
language about that the baptism was read back and everyone verified it was
true and the baptism was drawn up in duplicate (one set for the church and
one for the Diocese/Vatican or wherever it goes), and the witnesses or
godparents sign.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 9:04 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I get paternal grandparents as: Joao de Sousa and Catharina do Espirito
> Santo and
>
> Maternal grandparents as: Manuel Pereira Cachete, never seen that surname
> before and Maria Silveira
>
> Godfathers: Antonio Homen da Costa
>
> Godmother: Francisca Pereira Cachete
>
>
>
> Hope that helps
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *David Leitz 
> *Sent: *Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:36 AM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa
> Bettencourt
>
>
>
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895_item1/P14.html
>
> Could I get help reading the baptism for Manuel - #24 at the bottom of
> page 14 and continues on page 15? I understand, pretty much, the first part
> up to the godparents. I can pick out the names of the grandparents, but I'm
> not sure about some parts.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
>
>
> Linda L.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa Bettencourt

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

I get paternal grandparents as: Joao de Sousa and Catharina do Espirito Santo 
and
Maternal grandparents as: Manuel Pereira Cachete, never seen that surname 
before and Maria Silveira
Godfathers: Antonio Homen da Costa
Godmother: Francisca Pereira Cachete

Hope that helps

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: David Leitz
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:36 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism - Manuel - son of Joaquim de Sousa 
Bettencourt

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895/PIC-LJ-LAJES-B-1891-1895_item1/P14.html
Could I get help reading the baptism for Manuel - #24 at the bottom of page 14 
and continues on page 15? I understand, pretty much, the first part up to the 
godparents. I can pick out the names of the grandparents, but I'm not sure 
about some parts.

Thanks for your help.

Linda L.
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