Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, Terri's index is better than Canto's because it includes everybody.
And Canto may have had access to records from 100 years ago that are not
available today. Both Terri and Canto were human and although they don't
want to make mistakes, a few were probably made.

As for copying, it depends. When I was copying the inventories (taking
pictures with my cell phone) they told me that may NOT post them anywhere
on the Internet. So I had to say OK to that and respect their wishes, as I
wanted the information. So I guess it depends what you are copying and from
what time period.
Cheri

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 8:51 PM Fernando Pimentel 
wrote:

> The reason I’m curious about the Canto index is because the list that
> Terri compiled for S Pedro has names on the Canto index that were not on
> the CCA books. Do the archives allow copying (photographs, photocopies)?
> Thanks Fernando
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

[Fernando Pimentel]

The reason I’m curious about the Canto index is because the list that Terri 
compiled for S Pedro has names on the Canto index that were not on the CCA 
books. Do the archives allow copying (photographs, photocopies)? Thanks 
Fernando 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

[Margaret Vicente]

Hello Angela,

According to Cronicas dos Arrifes, he was a co-adjutor there in 1869 only with 
no other information. 

A google search pointed to:

Revista Atlântida vol. LIV 2009 - Instituto Açoriano de Cultura


https://www.iac-azores.org/biblioteca-virtual/ATL/ATL2009.pdf

nel d'Engenheiro, ou a carta de 1831 de António Ferreira Gar- .. 
Requerimento para Provisão de José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel, Cura da Igreja de 
Santa ...
https://www.google.com/search?q=cura+jose+jacinto+ferreira+pimentel=1C1CHBF_enCA813CA813=cAAHXdbNNrKJggebm4ngBw=10=N=0ahUKEwjWxeqzwe_iAhWyhOAKHZtNAnwQ8NMDCJYB=1920=969

the link is broken and the pdf no longer available, yielding error 404 but you 
may be able to buy the book in the following link:

https://www.iac-azores.org/livraria/atlantida.html

good luck
mv

From: Ângela Loura
Sent: June 9, 2019 8:29 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Priest José Jacinto Ferreira Pimentel

Anyone here has in their tree a priest from the 1800s called José Jacinto 
Ferreira Pimentel? 
I believe he was from São Miguel. He spent a few years in Santa Maria, and i 
think that after that he was in Arrifes. 

Any clue would be very helpfull. 

Thanks!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

[doreencaetano]

Thank you.

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From: William Seidler
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 11:56 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

I've never seen that but apparently the colon goes between compound surnames: 
Gonçalves:Ferreira (groom), Gonçalves:Ferreira (groom's father), then I believe 
Gonçalves:Fialho for the bride's father.

Bill Seidler 

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
I noticed the priest/scribe did that after all 4 parents names. Maybe someone 
else who researches your freguesia knows.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:59 AM  wrote:
Thanks. Now I do not feel so bad about not being able to make it out. I 
wondered about the colon too. The first letter looks like the f in Ferreira 
earlier in the record but then it does not follow the same pattern for Ferreira 
and that would give the groom and bride the same family names. Maybe Faria but 
maybe it starts with a T instead…then it could be ? Thanks again. Doreen
 
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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:42 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name
 
Yes, Goncalves is abbreviated. But I don't know what's up with the colon and 
the hyphenated word that comes next. After that word, it says he is already 
dead.

Cheri Mello
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Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
 
 
On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM  wrote:
I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the 
bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ?
The record is on the bottom of the left side. 
Thanks Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

[William Seidler]

I've never seen that but apparently the colon goes between compound 
surnames: Gonçalves:Ferreira (groom), Gonçalves:Ferreira (groom's father), 
then I believe Gonçalves:Fialho for the bride's father.

Bill Seidler 

On Sunday, June 16, 2019 at 11:43:55 AM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> I noticed the priest/scribe did that after all 4 parents names. Maybe 
> someone else who researches your freguesia knows.
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:59 AM > 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Now I do not feel so bad about not being able to make it out. I 
>> wondered about the colon too. The first letter looks like the f in Ferreira 
>> earlier in the record but then it does not follow the same pattern for 
>> Ferreira and that would give the groom and bride the same family names. 
>> Maybe Faria but maybe it starts with a T instead…then it could be ? Thanks 
>> again. Doreen
>>
>>  
>>
>> Sent from Mail  for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *Cheri Mello 
>> *Sent: *Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:42 AM
>> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yes, Goncalves is abbreviated. But I don't know what's up with the colon 
>> and the hyphenated word that comes next. After that word, it says he is 
>> already dead.
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
>> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM > 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the 
>> bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ?
>>
>> The record is on the bottom of the left side. 
>>
>> Thanks Doreen Caetano
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism

[Philippe GARNIER]

Yes godmother is Rosa Emiliana. Sry

Philippe

Le dim. 16 juin 2019 à 19:52,  a écrit :

> I’m so glad you responded. I believe the godfather to be the Antonio
> Coelho de Melo who changed his name to Antonio Coelho Berbereia. I think
> the godmother is his sister Rosa Emillianna. Please take another look at
> the record to see if that is what you think it could be. Thanks
>
>
>
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>
>
> *From: *Philippe Garnier 
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:24 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism
>
>
>
> Hi Doreen,
>
>
>
> Antonio son of Agostinho Coelho de Melo and Maria de Nazaré
>
>
>
> Born : 1827, january 23
>
> baptised : 1827, february 6
>
> Godparents (I'm note sure) : o Padre Antonio Cabral de melo Cura em S.
> Bento e Rosa Guilhermina
>
>
>
> Abraços
>
>
>
> Philippe Garnier
>
> Paris - France
>
>
> https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira
>
>
>
> Le dimanche 16 juin 2019 15:23:49 UTC+2, doreencaetano a écrit :
>
> Thank you for repairing my link to the record.
>
>
>
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>
>
> *From: *William Seidler
> *Sent: *Friday, June 14, 2019 1:13 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism
>
>
>
> CCA is fine.  Doreen's link is missing the end.  Here is the link:
>
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P19.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

[Cheri Mello]

I noticed the priest/scribe did that after all 4 parents names. Maybe
someone else who researches your freguesia knows.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:59 AM  wrote:

> Thanks. Now I do not feel so bad about not being able to make it out. I
> wondered about the colon too. The first letter looks like the f in Ferreira
> earlier in the record but then it does not follow the same pattern for
> Ferreira and that would give the groom and bride the same family names.
> Maybe Faria but maybe it starts with a T instead…then it could be ? Thanks
> again. Doreen
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:42 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name
>
>
>
> Yes, Goncalves is abbreviated. But I don't know what's up with the colon
> and the hyphenated word that comes next. After that word, it says he is
> already dead.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM  wrote:
>
> I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the
> bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ?
>
> The record is on the bottom of the left side.
>
> Thanks Doreen Caetano
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html
>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

[doreencaetano]

Thanks. Now I do not feel so bad about not being able to make it out. I 
wondered about the colon too. The first letter looks like the f in Ferreira 
earlier in the record but then it does not follow the same pattern for Ferreira 
and that would give the groom and bride the same family names. Maybe Faria but 
maybe it starts with a T instead…then it could be ? Thanks again. Doreen

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:42 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

Yes, Goncalves is abbreviated. But I don't know what's up with the colon and 
the hyphenated word that comes next. After that word, it says he is already 
dead.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM  wrote:
I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the 
bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ?
The record is on the bottom of the left side. 
Thanks Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism

[doreencaetano]

I’m so glad you responded. I believe the godfather to be the Antonio Coelho de 
Melo who changed his name to Antonio Coelho Berbereia. I think the godmother is 
his sister Rosa Emillianna. Please take another look at the record to see if 
that is what you think it could be. Thanks

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From: Philippe Garnier
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:24 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism

Hi Doreen,

Antonio son of Agostinho Coelho de Melo and Maria de Nazaré

Born : 1827, january 23
baptised : 1827, february 6
Godparents (I'm note sure) : o Padre Antonio Cabral de melo Cura em S. Bento e 
Rosa Guilhermina

Abraços

Philippe Garnier
Paris - France
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Le dimanche 16 juin 2019 15:23:49 UTC+2, doreencaetano a écrit :
Thank you for repairing my link to the record.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: William Seidler
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 1:13 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism
 
CCA is fine.  Doreen's link is missing the end.  Here is the link:
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P19.html
 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, Goncalves is abbreviated. But I don't know what's up with the colon
and the hyphenated word that comes next. After that word, it says he is
already dead.
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 10:32 AM  wrote:

> I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the
> bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ?
>
> The record is on the bottom of the left side.
>
> Thanks Doreen Caetano
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with bride' father's last name

[doreencaetano]

I have most of this record already but can not make out the father of the 
bride’s last name I have Domingos Goncalves ?
 The record is on the bottom of the left side. 
Thanks Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1763-1787_item1/P99.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism

[Philippe Garnier]

Hi Doreen,

Antonio son of Agostinho Coelho de Melo and Maria de Nazaré

Born : 1827, january 23
baptised : 1827, february 6
Godparents (I'm note sure) : o Padre Antonio Cabral de melo Cura em S. 
Bento e Rosa Guilhermina

Abraços

Philippe Garnier
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Le dimanche 16 juin 2019 15:23:49 UTC+2, doreencaetano a écrit :
>
> Thank you for repairing my link to the record.
>
>  
>
> Sent from Mail  for 
> Windows 10
>
>  
>
> *From: *William Seidler 
> *Sent: *Friday, June 14, 2019 1:13 PM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism
>
>  
>
> CCA is fine.  Doreen's link is missing the end.  Here is the link:
>
>  
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P19.html
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

[Cheri Mello]

There are the Canto indices (which are NOT online - you have to go to the
archive in Ponta Delgada to view them) and there are indices created by
Terri Santos and others who slogged through the records, one at a time,
painstakingly recording all the information for us to use. The indices
created by Terri and other genealogists will generally cover ALL marriages
(or baptisms, etc), whereas Canto did extracts of only prominent families
or families that interested him. So the genealogist created indices are
probably better :)

Some priests created indices themselves. I've seen them in the back of the
books. Some parishes have separate indices. Sao Miguel Arcanjo has a
separate index for baptisms, marriages, and deaths, and it starts in 1800.
You can access them through Tombo.pt.
Good luck,
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 7:51 AM Fernando Pimentel 
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> Terri, thanks for doing the index. Where or how did you get the Canto
> index? Do you have the index for Matriz? Thanks Fernando
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ernesto do Canto Index

[Fernando Pimentel]

Terri, thanks for doing the index. Where or how did you get the Canto index? Do 
you have the index for Matriz? Thanks Fernando 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism

[doreencaetano]

Thank you for repairing my link to the record.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: William Seidler
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2019 1:13 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Altares baptism

CCA is fine.  Doreen's link is missing the end.  Here is the link:

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838/TER-AH-ALTARES-B-1826-1838_item1/P19.html



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