Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Liz Migliori]

Ok Thanks.  I did just have Sao Joao, Pico, Azores.  But some new stuff started 
popping up that had Lajes in there so I thought I was doing something wrong
I’m sticking with my way
Thanks Cheri

Liz

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> On Jun 25, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Hi Liz, A few people do the district. Most do not, as it becomes confusing 
> really quickly. I would do Sao Joao (or São João if you prefer) which is the 
> freguesia (village), Pico (the island), Azores. You can add in Portugal if 
> you like. I figure anyone looking at my research 50 years from now would know 
> they are looking at my Portuguese branches. Cheri
>> On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 8:11 AM Liz Migliori  wrote:
>> If someone is born in Sao Joao, Pico
>> 
>> Should it be written in a tree as
>> Sao Joao, Lajes Do Pico,
>> 
>> Is Sao Joao a town in the district or a small village in the bigger town of 
>> Lajes?
>> 
>> Liz
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[Ângela Loura]

Hi Sam,

Last names derived from animals, places, nicknames or food are pretty
common all over Portugal, and Coelho is defintelly one of them. But as
Cheri said, not at the level of Silva, for example.

'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy  escreveu
no dia terça, 25/06/2019 à(s) 23:03:

> Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of
> store fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was
> like “Jones or Smith” in the U.S.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Cheri Mello 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
> *To: *Azores Genealogy 
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>
>
>
> I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva &
> Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the
> Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
>
>
>
> *From: *Ângela Loura 
> *Sent: *Monday, June 24, 2019 1:57 PM
> *To: *azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
>
>
>
> That's a tough one... I tried highlighting it, but i think the important
> info is faded at the bottom...
>
>
>
>  escreveu no dia segunda, 24/06/2019 à(s) 18:03:
>
> I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage
> record for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira
> Marriage index.
>
> It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional
> information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P80.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation help Costa Pimental families

[Mary Pimentel Wheeler]

Hello Janet and others,

Is it possible that your Jerome Sebastian Pimentel was originally named 
Jacinto Pimentel?  I found a Jacinto baptized in Fajazinha on, I believe, 
November 1 1855.  Here is the link and what I understand it to read.  
Please chime in if you see it saying something else.   If this is him, 
knowing how he got the Sebastian middle name would be interesting to find 
out, but at least now we would have his parent's names.

http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860/FLR-LF-FAJAZINHA-B-1850-1860_item1/P72.html

Jacinto, son of Anthony Joze Pimentel and Anna de Jesus.  
Born on the (?) of October and baptized on the first day of November.
Paternal grandparents are Antonio Joze Pimentel and Anna de Conceicao
Maternal grandparents Manuel de Freitas and Anna de Freitas

On Sunday, June 9, 2019 at 4:57:12 PM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>
> Thanks to all that replied - very helpful as I learn more about how to do 
> effective research!
>
> Bill - Thank you very much  for the help with the translations - really 
> appreciate it!
>
> Mary - I do have lots of records for Jerome Sebastian Pimental as this was 
> my great great grandfather.  His details are:
> Birth Nov 1 1855 (Flores, but not sure what village) / death June 19 1929
> Marriage to Aug 9 1877 to Conceicao Marie Costa - married in Napa CA, 
> lived in Green Valley and Wild Horse Valley in Napa/Solano counties, 
> eventually moved to Oakland
>
> Potential siblings to Jerome are:
> Frank J Pimental (1836 - ?) Married Maria E Costa (1850 - 1905)
> Sylvester Pimental (1841 - 1903) Married to two different Maries (last 
> name unknown) and later in life to Marie de Gloria Lorenzeo (birth/death 
> unknown) - usually his name is spelled Pimentel.  Sylvester and Maria were 
> witnesses for marriage of Jerome and Conceicao
> Manuel Sebastian Pimental (1850 - 1912)
> Vincent Sebastian Pimental (1858 - May 6, 1918) - oral family history that 
> Vincent was Jerome's brother
> Marianna Pimental (~1868 - 1950) married to Manual Levy and then to Antone 
> Costa (1855 - 1928)
>
> Let me know if we have any overlap in the Pimental family.
>
> thank you all for the helpful information,
> Janet
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 3, 2019 at 4:59:24 AM UTC-4, William Seidler wrote:
>>
>> Below is my take on the parent and grandparent names for Ermalinda, José, 
>> and two named João.  I see no indication that they are related to each 
>> other or the family you seek.  The link you provided to a record for 
>> "Conceição" has no Conceição that I can see on that page.  The closest I 
>> see is an exposto (male foundling) named Cornelio.
>>
>>
>> Hermalinda (sp?) Born 18 Jul 1867 and baptized on 21 July 1867
>>
>> Father: Francisco Jose de Machado, natural of Santo Antonio, Magdalena, 
>> Island of Pico
>>
>> Mother: Maria de Jesus, natural of this parish. Parents married in this 
>> parish where they live.
>>
>> Paternal grandparents: Manuel Gonçalves Ferreira and Maria? Eulalia?
>>
>> Maternal grandparents: João José da Costa and Maria de Jesus
>>
>>  
>>
>> José: Born 20 Nov 1869 and baptized on 25 Nov 1869
>>
>> Father: José Francisco Abreu 
>>
>> Mother: Rita Thomasia; both parents natural of this parish where they 
>> live and were married.
>>
>> Paternal grandparents: Francisco Antonio Abreu and Maria de Jesus
>>
>> Maternal grandparents: José Noresio? de Simas and Maria Thomasia
>>
>>  
>>
>> 1st João: Born 21 Oct 1871 and baptized on 25 Oct 1871
>>
>> Father: José Caetano Simião
>>
>> Mother: Anna de Jesus Carvalho; both parents natural of this parish
>>
>> Paternal Grandparents: Manuel Caetano Simião and Anna Emilia
>>
>> Maternal Grandparents: João Furtado Carvalho and Ignacia de Jesus
>>
>>  
>>
>> 2nd João: Born 15 Nov 1871 and baptized on 19 Nov 1871.
>>
>> Father: Antonio Caetano Noia
>>
>> Mother: Rosa de Jesus; both parents natural of this parish
>>
>> Paternal grandparents: José Caetano Noia e Maria de Jesus
>>
>> Maternal grandparents: José Coelho Salvador and Margarida de Jesus
>>
>>
>> I hope you find some help in this.  Hopefully following Cheri's advice 
>> you can find a more definitive record connection.
>>
>>
>> Bill Seidler
>>
>> On Sunday, June 2, 2019 at 11:23:40 AM UTC-7, Janet Carminati wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Cheri, 
>>> Thanks for the advice on how to work backwards. I don’t have any 
>>> information on their marriages (except those that married in CA) so might 
>>> be at a dead end but will keep at it!  Could you please let me know what 
>>> the parent and grandparents names are in the 3 records as I can’t make them 
>>> out?   
>>> Thanks again, 
>>> Janet
>>
>>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

['Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks Cheri.  When I was in Lisbon, many years ago. I notice a lot of store 
fronts with The name Coelho, my surname, on them.  I figured it was like “Jones 
or Smith” in the U.S.

Sam (Mazatlán, MX)

From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 8:09 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva & 
Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy 
 wrote:
Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the 
Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.
 
Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
 
From: Ângela Loura
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 1:57 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record
 
That's a tough one... I tried highlighting it, but i think the important info 
is faded at the bottom...
 
 escreveu no dia segunda, 24/06/2019 à(s) 18:03:
I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage record 
for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira Marriage index.
It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional 
information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P80.html
 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with short form of surnames

[JR]

It's Glz (Gonsalves), though it does look like Gtz. Same with Alz 
(Alvares), sometimes looks like Atz. Or Miz (Martins) sometimes looks like 
Mtz. It may be priest's way of indicating short forms.

JR

On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 11:56:37 AM UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Thank you everyone! I also found one that has gtz, can someone tell me 
> what that one stands for?
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:39:38 UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>> I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful 
>> with these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  
>> (Po) and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot 
>> figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz. 
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html
>>
>> TIA
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with short form of surnames

[Leonor Bertoni]

Thank you everyone! I also found one that has gtz, can someone tell me what 
that one stands for?



On Tuesday, 25 June 2019 03:39:38 UTC-4, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful with 
> these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  (Po) 
> and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot 
> figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html
>
> TIA
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Inventario? Marianna de Jesus - São Miguel

[MaryAnn Santos]

Thank you, Cheri, for such helpful information. I will certainly follow-up
on this.

MaryAnn

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:15 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Mary Ann,
> Some of the inventories contain the obito. It depends on the time period.
> I remember the more recent ones (1900 onwards) had the obito in them. I'm
> looking at one from 1932. No cause of death is listed on that obito. The
> inventory lists all the kids (they are adults) and where they are living
> (even the ones who have emigrated and are in America. And to whom they are
> married).
>
> You could try emailing the archive there. However, they won't give you
> copies of the whole thing. THEY will chose what they think you should see.
> They'd probably give you the obito page and the descendants page(s). I've
> got inventories that are 28 pages and some are 141 pages. They don't want
> to be copying all that, so I get it, but only you know what could be a clue
> to you (as you are researching that family) and they aren't thinking that
> way. Give it a try and let us know. The paper with their contact
> information says bpar.pdelgada.i...@azores.gov.pt, but the web site lists
> this one which I think is the archives floor: sala.leit...@azores.gov.pt
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:30 AM MaryAnn Santos  wrote:
>
>> Hi Cheri,
>>
>> I'm assuming that the only way to view the inventory is on location.
>> There is one for my Great Grandfather that I really want to see - there's a
>> confusing story about how and when he died. I haven't been able to find the
>> obito for him and hoping that the inventory will give some hints especially
>> if the children are named.
>>
>> MaryAnn
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 12:53 PM Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Leonor,
>>>
>>> I did a lot of inventory work last summer there.
>>>
>>> As Philippe said, it's an inventory of their stuff. They do list
>>> children, grands, greats. And it was kind of interesting to see what they
>>> had for time period too.
>>>
>>> Every time I requested an inventory, they told me that they are private
>>> and not to be posted on the Internet (they saw me taking pictures with my
>>> cell phone). I said OK. I understand that some of the inventories (say the
>>> one from 1920s) could name a kid who is alive today (they'd be pushing
>>> 100), but the ones from the 1800s would not have anyone alive. So all I
>>> could do is honor their request because I want continued access to that
>>> record set and so do many genealogists.
>>>
>>> Portugal is part of the European Union and they have the newer General
>>> Data Privacy Regulation (GDPR). Many countries are becoming concerned about
>>> the privacy of their citizens so they are creating rules and regulations
>>> for privacy. It's probably why they asked me not to post anything on the
>>> Internet. The GDPR is just a little over a year old, so I'm hoping as time
>>> goes on, they will adjust for things like older historical records, where
>>> no one alive today is mentioned in them.  Cheri
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:36 AM Philippe GARNIER <
>>> philippegarnier...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Hi Leonor,

 The inventory is made after the death to liste all the possession of
 the dead personn : houses, lands, money, furnitures, clothes and so on.
 It is to the shering out the heirs.

 Abs

 Philippe Garnier
 Paris - France

 https://philippegarnier112.wixsite.com/familiasilhaterceira/copie-de-familias-da-ilha-terceira
 


 Le mar. 18 juin 2019 à 06:58, Leonor Bertoni 
 a écrit :

> Can someone tell me what this means? I found a record for an ancestor
> for an Inventario, I take it to mean inventory or probating a will but the
> death records states that she did not leave a will. What could this be?
>
>
> http://www.arquivos.azores.gov.pt/details?id=1186907=Elias|da|costa|venancio
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Cheri Mello]

Hi Liz, A few people do the district. Most do not, as it becomes confusing
really quickly. I would do Sao Joao (or São João if you prefer) which is
the freguesia (village), Pico (the island), Azores. You can add in Portugal
if you like. I figure anyone looking at my research 50 years from now would
know they are looking at my Portuguese branches. Cheri
On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 8:11 AM Liz Migliori  wrote:

> If someone is born in Sao Joao, Pico
>
> Should it be written in a tree as
> Sao Joao, Lajes Do Pico,
>
> Is Sao Joao a town in the district or a small village in the bigger town
> of Lajes?
>
> Liz
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Question

[Liz Migliori]

If someone is born in Sao Joao, Pico

Should it be written in a tree as
Sao Joao, Lajes Do Pico,

Is Sao Joao a town in the district or a small village in the bigger town of 
Lajes?

Liz

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with short form of surnames

[Philippe GARNIER]

Hi Leonor,

Maria daughter of Pedro (P.°) Fernandes (Frz) and Inês Fernandes. Godfather
: João Fernandes. Godmother : Ana Martins (Miz), single, daughetr of
Catarina (Cn.a) Martins

Abs

Philippe Garnier
Paris - France
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Le mar. 25 juin 2019 à 09:39, Leonor Bertoni  a
écrit :

> Hi there,
> I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful with
> these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  (Po)
> and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot
> figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html
>
> TIA
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation help

[Liz Migliori]

Thank you very much Joe

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> On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:05 PM, Joe Matias  wrote:
> 
> I read it as Rosa Jacintha.Josefa Paxeca Modern spelling (Pacheca).
> November for the month.
> Baptized Quinze (15th) of same month.
> no godmother mentioned
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 24, 2019 at 3:57 PM Elizabeth Migliori  
>> wrote:
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1770-1798/SMG-LG-SANTACRUZ-B-1770-1798_item1/P302.html
>> 
>> Can someone please help with some of this Baptism record
>> I have Umbelina daughter of Manuel Jose and Jacintha
>> neto Paterna Sebastian de Souza and Sebastianna  Pereira
>> materna Antonio Cabral and Josefa ?
>> Born on 8th day of  1795   Don't know when Baptised
>> Godfather Manuel Botelho Homem   Is there a godmother?
>> 
>> thank You 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with short form of surnames

[Cheri Mello]

Yes, Bill has it right.

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019, 3:16 AM William Seidler  wrote:

> Yes I believe you are correct for P.o (Pedro) and frz (Fernandes); miz is
> Martins.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 12:39:38 AM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>>
>> Hi there,
>> I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful
>> with these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro
>> (Po) and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot
>> figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html
>>
>> TIA
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading Altares record

[Cheri Mello]

I've seen it and know people who have it. It's not the most common Silva &
Silveira. It's not rare either. So in the middle? Cheri

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 6:42 PM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy <
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> Out of curiosity, can anyone comment on how common a name Coelho is in the
> Azores.  My Coelho line comes from Santa Maria.
>
>
>
> Sam (Mazatlán, MX)
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> That's a tough one... I tried highlighting it, but i think the important
> info is faded at the bottom...
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>
>  escreveu no dia segunda, 24/06/2019 à(s) 18:03:
>
> I can not read this record at all. I only know that it is the marriage
> record for Manuel Coelho and Maria Vieira. This comes from the Terceira
> Marriage index.
>
> It is the bottom record on the right side of the page. Any additional
> information would be appreciated. Thanks, Doreen Caetano
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712/TER-AH-ALTARES-C-1648-1712_item1/P80.html
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help with short form of surnames

[William Seidler]

Yes I believe you are correct for P.o (Pedro) and frz (Fernandes); miz is 
Martins.

Bill Seidler


On Tuesday, June 25, 2019 at 12:39:38 AM UTC-7, Leonor Bertoni wrote:
>
> Hi there,
> I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful with 
> these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  (Po) 
> and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot 
> figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz. 
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html
>
> TIA
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with short form of surnames

[Leonor Bertoni]

Hi there,
I've checked the list of short forms for names but was not successful with 
these names. First record, I think the father's first name is Pedro  (Po) 
and everyone's last name, except the godmother, is Fernandes. I cannot 
figure out what the godmother's last name is, it looks like Miz. 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1604-1625_item1/P48.html

TIA

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