Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Abandoned children, Se, Terceira
Thank you all for all of the interesting information on expostos/rodas/etc. The document referenced below was really good. I was also able to see a picture of a roda on google images, which helps me to understand a lot, too. Yesterday I was going through the recently posted Rois/Confessados on the CCA site. First, wow! They are an every name census, by parish, with the names of dead spouses, and often occupations and comments by the priests on some of the families! For those who haven't seen one of these, and who are lucky enough to have them posted for your freguesia of interest, you should go immediately to the CCA site for a look. Anyway, Se is one of the freguesias on Terceira that has these many of these books online, and I was able to see the same expostos -- and labelled as such -- living with their wet nurse families as I discovered in the 1872 Se baptisms. But even for freguesias with just one book online, such as Santa barbara, terceira, 1875, this is pure genealogical gold. Now I just need to find my exposto of interest, little Francisco, my wife's g-g-grandfather, and follow his development through the years until he is 8 and is adopted, or let go... Duane On Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:39:33 AM UTC-7, "E" wrote: > Here is an interesting site about the Rodas in the Azores. > > > http://repositorio.uac.pt/bitstream/10400.3/970/1/Historical%20abandonment%20of%20children%20in%20the%20Azores,%20Portugal.p > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Abandoned children, Se, Terceira
Thanks for your reply, Cheri. I tried finding a picture of a roda on google images, but very strange things came up, like a torture wheel, and birth control pills! Anyway, was the roda on the altar, or was this literally something that extended both inside and outside the church, like a rotary mail slot of sorts? Of the wet nurses, did they typically become adoptive parents? I don't know why the expostos fascinate me so much. Perhaps it was just the shock of seeing so many of them in one year at one freguesia. Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Abandoned children, Se, Terceira
I started looking at the newly posted batismos for Se (thank you CCA!) on Terceira, and am looking at 1872 for a relative. I am perplexed and confused by the huge number of abandoned children, easily 75% or more of baptisms in this year. I know a giant earthquake hit in 1872, but I believe that was in December, so it doesn't explain all the abandonments. Were abandoned children brought to Se from all over Terceira to be cared for? Does that explain it? Also, most records contain the phrase: "exposto na casa da Roda" which seems to mean: "abandoned at the wheelhouse". Is this a place on Terceira that children were commonly left when they were abandoned? Or a feature of the cathedral? Or is this just a common Portuguese phrase for this situation? Finally, many of the records have something listed in the margin after the childs name and "exposto" which looks like "ama" and then a female name. Is this an adoptive mother? Here is an example of what I am talking about. Look at the record for Francisco, #95: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SE-B-1871-1872/TER-AH-SE-B-1871-1872_item1/P136.html Thanks for your help, as usual... Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Jewish roots
John: Well stated and on the mark. With Mello, Reis and Peregrino on my side of the equation, who knows. What I do know though, is that I have an insatiable appetite for latkes!!! Cheers, Duane On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:54 PM, John Raposo wrote: > Dear Keith: > > You are quite correct; it is not as simple as a name. Pereira and Silva > are among the most common of all Portuguese names. Naturally, when the > Portuguese Jews needed to disappear and blend into the general population, > they took on the most common of Portuguese surnames in order to avoid > detection by their neighbors and the dreaded Inquisition. Although it is > true that many Portuguese Jews took on names like Pereira, Silva, Cardoza, > etc, it does not necessarily follow that the majority of > Portuguese/Azoreans with names like Pereira, Silva, Cardoza, etc, must be > of Jewish ancestry. > > I have extensively researched my ancestry back to the Middle Ages. Yet, I > have only one documented Jewish couple in myAzorean ancestry. Only one > documented, although that does not mean that there are not more. I am > including an article that was published in the "Bulletin" of the now > defunct American Portuguese Genealogical and Historical Society (APGHS) > which cites sources for those interested in further research. > > Best regards, > > John Miranda Raposo > > *From:* K Pimental > *To:* azores@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2012 4:40 PM > *Subject:* RE: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Jewish roots > > Responding to the Jewishness of Pereira, I have had my DNA family > finder and mtDNA and y-64 done and have no definitive Jewish connection > even though my ggmother was a Pereira. I don’t think it is quite as clear > cut as a name. > > Keith Pimental > (Costa, Vasconcellos, Pereira, Sao Miguel, Hawai’i) > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Duane De Mello > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:27 PM > *To:* azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Jewish roots > > Lou: > > From my experience to date, researching the Sephardic Jewish side is > difficult, to say the least. Up until somewhere around 1492 to 1497, when > the Spanish Monarchy forced Jews to convert to Christianity, our ancestors > in the Azores were probably practicing the Jewish faith. In my genealogy > pursuits so far, I am unable to take my ancestors back that far yet. > > If your Pereira ancestors were in the Porto Formoso area, they were very > close to where my family was at, in the Ribeira Grande area. The only ones > I can say I remember were those who came to the Bay Area from Hilo, on the > Big Island. Joseph, Manuel, Billy, Maria, Serafina, etc, were born around > the time of my father, in 1900, and immigrated to the Bay Area during > 1903-05, settling basically in Oakland and San Leandro. They were active > in the baking and steel working industries. By the time I came along, in > 1939, all that I can remember of their parents, is that they were old, and > were born in the Azores anywhere between 1848 and 1875. Our families were > close and were frequently together on the weekends for various > celebrations. That is when I can remember the Pereira, Pacheco and Silva > families and my own, the de Mello's and the dos Reis' > > Cheers, Duane > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Lou Henderson > wrote: > They immigrated to the Sandwitch Islands, ( Hawaii ), in 1883 and after > that I cannot find anything on them. No census, nothing. I did not know > Pereira is a Jewish name. > Lou > > On Apr 10, 2012, *Duane De Mello* wrote: > > After the Azores, where did your Pereira's end up? In the Azores, my > Pereira cousins came out of Sao Miguel. > > Duane > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Lou Henderson > wrote: > Are either of you related to:Manuel Pereira and Maria da Conceicao > married 16, Out. 1872 in Porto Formoso? Manuel born, 1883 and Maria da > Conciecao > born 1854? They are my great grandparents. > Lou Henderson > On Apr 8, 2012, *Duane De Mello* wrote: > > One way to start is to do a Google search on Sephardic Judaism, followed > by its roots out of Iberia. You will find detailed descriptions of the > family surnames associated with the Jewish people, including the Pereiras, > of which I count as cousins of mine. > > Cheers, Duane > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM, kikas wrote: > My mother's side of the family are from Angra Terceira Azores. She has > a Jewish name "Pereira" > I have researched up to my great grandmother...with the name Maria > Guilhermina Pereira da Silva born in 1876 in Angra and
Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Jewish roots
You raise a valid point. No where, among the assorted Sephardic websites that are citing the Iberian Peninsula peoples living there is it implied that all of the people with surnames like Pereira, Mello, Reis, Rosa, Silva and Pacheco, just to name but a few, ALL had Jewish roots. God forbid, when my Reis grandmother (she married a Mello) learned that her granddaughter (a Rosa and a Silva) was going to marry a Bernstein (a San Francisco banker), it through the entire family into a tizzy not soon to be forgotten. I applaud you for going through the DNA family finder process. My research and degree of interest has not yet reached your level. Cheers and best wishes, Duane De Mello --- www.duanedemello.com On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 4:40 PM, K Pimental wrote: > Responding to the Jewishness of Pereira, I have had my DNA family finder > and mtDNA and y-64 done and have no definitive Jewish connection even > though my ggmother was a Pereira. I don’t think it is quite as clear cut as > a name. > > ** ** > > Keith Pimental > > (Costa, Vasconcellos, Pereira, Sao Miguel, Hawai’i) > > ** ** > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Duane De Mello > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:27 PM > *To:* azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Jewish roots > > ** ** > > Lou: > > ** ** > > From my experience to date, researching the Sephardic Jewish side is > difficult, to say the least. Up until somewhere around 1492 to 1497, when > the Spanish Monarchy forced Jews to convert to Christianity, our ancestors > in the Azores were probably practicing the Jewish faith. In my genealogy > pursuits so far, I am unable to take my ancestors back that far yet. > > ** ** > > If your Pereira ancestors were in the Porto Formoso area, they were very > close to where my family was at, in the Ribeira Grande area. The only ones > I can say I remember were those who came to the Bay Area from Hilo, on the > Big Island. Joseph, Manuel, Billy, Maria, Serafina, etc, were born around > the time of my father, in 1900, and immigrated to the Bay Area during > 1903-05, settling basically in Oakland and San Leandro. They were active > in the baking and steel working industries. By the time I came along, in > 1939, all that I can remember of their parents, is that they were old, and > were born in the Azores anywhere between 1848 and 1875. Our families were > close and were frequently together on the weekends for various > celebrations. That is when I can remember the Pereira, Pacheco and Silva > families and my own, the de Mello's and the dos Reis' > > ** ** > > Cheers, Duane > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Lou Henderson > wrote: > > They immigrated to the Sandwitch Islands, ( Hawaii ), in 1883 and after > that I cannot find anything on them. No census, nothing. I did not know > Pereira is a Jewish name. > Lou > > **** > > On Apr 10, 2012, *Duane De Mello* wrote: > > After the Azores, where did your Pereira's end up? In the Azores, my > Pereira cousins came out of Sao Miguel. > > ** ** > > Duane > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Lou Henderson > wrote: > > Are either of you related to:Manuel Pereira and Maria da Conceicao > married 16, Out. 1872 in Porto Formoso? Manuel born, 1883 and Maria da > Conciecao > born 1854? They are my great grandparents. > Lou Henderson > > On Apr 8, 2012, *Duane De Mello* wrote: > > One way to start is to do a Google search on Sephardic Judaism, followed > by its roots out of Iberia. You will find detailed descriptions of the > family surnames associated with the Jewish people, including the Pereiras, > of which I count as cousins of mine. > > ** ** > > Cheers, Duane > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM, kikas wrote: > > My mother's side of the family are from Angra Terceira Azores. She has > a Jewish name "Pereira" > I have researched up to my great grandmother...with the name Maria > Guilhermina Pereira da Silva born in 1876 in Angra and died in > 1934...need to look further into her side of the family up to the 15th > century...to see if they came from a Jewish descentanyone with > tips..or books that I can look up...is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.goog
Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Jewish roots
Lou: >From my experience to date, researching the Sephardic Jewish side is difficult, to say the least. Up until somewhere around 1492 to 1497, when the Spanish Monarchy forced Jews to convert to Christianity, our ancestors in the Azores were probably practicing the Jewish faith. In my genealogy pursuits so far, I am unable to take my ancestors back that far yet. If your Pereira ancestors were in the Porto Formoso area, they were very close to where my family was at, in the Ribeira Grande area. The only ones I can say I remember were those who came to the Bay Area from Hilo, on the Big Island. Joseph, Manuel, Billy, Maria, Serafina, etc, were born around the time of my father, in 1900, and immigrated to the Bay Area during 1903-05, settling basically in Oakland and San Leandro. They were active in the baking and steel working industries. By the time I came along, in 1939, all that I can remember of their parents, is that they were old, and were born in the Azores anywhere between 1848 and 1875. Our families were close and were frequently together on the weekends for various celebrations. That is when I can remember the Pereira, Pacheco and Silva families and my own, the de Mello's and the dos Reis' Cheers, Duane On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: > They immigrated to the Sandwitch Islands, ( Hawaii ), in 1883 and after > that I cannot find anything on them. No census, nothing. I did not know > Pereira is a Jewish name. > Lou > > > On Apr 10, 2012, *Duane De Mello* wrote: > > After the Azores, where did your Pereira's end up? In the Azores, my > Pereira cousins came out of Sao Miguel. > > Duane > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: > >> Are either of you related to:Manuel Pereira and Maria da Conceicao >> married 16, Out. 1872 in Porto Formoso? Manuel born, 1883 and Maria da >> Conciecao >> born 1854? They are my great grandparents. >> Lou Henderson >> >> On Apr 8, 2012, *Duane De Mello* wrote: >> >> One way to start is to do a Google search on Sephardic Judaism, followed >> by its roots out of Iberia. You will find detailed descriptions of the >> family surnames associated with the Jewish people, including the Pereiras, >> of which I count as cousins of mine. >> >> Cheers, Duane >> >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM, kikas wrote: >> >>> My mother's side of the family are from Angra Terceira Azores. She has >>> a Jewish name "Pereira" >>> I have researched up to my great grandmother...with the name Maria >>> Guilhermina Pereira da Silva born in 1876 in Angra and died in >>> 1934...need to look further into her side of the family up to the 15th >>> century...to see if they came from a Jewish descentanyone with >>> tips..or books that I can look up...is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation >>> directions when they arrive. >>> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >>> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >>> membership." >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions >> when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions >> when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." > > > > > -- > > > > > > Duane > > > > > > > > > -- >
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Jewish roots
After the Azores, where did your Pereira's end up? In the Azores, my Pereira cousins came out of Sao Miguel. Duane On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Lou Henderson wrote: > Are either of you related to:Manuel Pereira and Maria da Conceicao > married 16, Out. 1872 in Porto Formoso? Manuel born, 1883 and Maria da > Conciecao > born 1854? They are my great grandparents. > Lou Henderson > > On Apr 8, 2012, *Duane De Mello* wrote: > > One way to start is to do a Google search on Sephardic Judaism, followed > by its roots out of Iberia. You will find detailed descriptions of the > family surnames associated with the Jewish people, including the Pereiras, > of which I count as cousins of mine. > > Cheers, Duane > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM, kikas wrote: > >> My mother's side of the family are from Angra Terceira Azores. She has >> a Jewish name "Pereira" >> I have researched up to my great grandmother...with the name Maria >> Guilhermina Pereira da Silva born in 1876 in Angra and died in >> 1934...need to look further into her side of the family up to the 15th >> century...to see if they came from a Jewish descentanyone with >> tips..or books that I can look up...is greatly appreciated. >> >> Thank you >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions >> when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for Jewish roots
One way to start is to do a Google search on Sephardic Judaism, followed by its roots out of Iberia. You will find detailed descriptions of the family surnames associated with the Jewish people, including the Pereiras, of which I count as cousins of mine. Cheers, Duane On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 4:47 PM, kikas wrote: > My mother's side of the family are from Angra Terceira Azores. She has > a Jewish name "Pereira" > I have researched up to my great grandmother...with the name Maria > Guilhermina Pereira da Silva born in 1876 in Angra and died in > 1934...need to look further into her side of the family up to the 15th > century...to see if they came from a Jewish descentanyone with > tips..or books that I can look up...is greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new website
Hi George: Your new website is excellent. Well written and to the point, I wish you success. Cheers, Duane On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:57 PM, George Pacheco wrote: > Hello Everyone > > I'm having a new site that it is still not complete, i would appreciate > feedback please tell me what you think > > www.georgepacheco.com > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Baptism book note
I'm learning so much here. Thank you all for your comments. It would be amazing for the Vatican to scan all of their records. That would be like the 1940 census times 10,000 for genealogists! Cheri, I was intrigued by your phrase "standard format in the 1800s". Does such a standard exist -- instructions for priests, so to speak? And does a copy of same exist online? As for the record in question, I guess what you are all saying is that since it was written on the last page of the book, the duplicate book was also complete, and someone thoughtfully went through both books to make sure they were identical, and found these two ommisions. So the priest wrote the note in the incomplete book, and sent the complete one to the black hole that is the Vatican. Again, thanks Dano, Mara, Richard and Cheri, Duane > I didn't read your record, but the standard format in the 1800s does state > that a record was drawn up in duplicate. My understanding of this > duplicate is different than Dano's. The 2nd copy was made and forwarded to > the Diocese (which for anywhere in the Azores was in Angra). Supposedly > they were to be forwarded to the Vatican. I know there aren't any > duplicates in Angra. Otherwise, we'd know about them. A friend called me > and said he saw a program (on the History channel or something) where the > Vatican said that they have records of every person in the Church and it > would take 100 years or something to scan them all. I did not see the > program so I do not know in what context this was said or if it was a > fleeting thought that they'd scan them some day or what. > > There was a duplicate book once upon a time that probably no longer > exists. I focus on what I have access to and try not to think about the > other stuff. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das > Tainhas, Achada > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism book note
Thanks for your help Rick. I think I got the translation, OK (and I think it says Maria de Jesus, which is correct by the way) but the bottom part is what I don't understand. Again, I thought there was were books which the priest kept, and then there was a copy made for the individual, which was kept by the parents. I don't understand what other duplicate is being referred to here. And the priest who wrote this seems to be referencing some freguesia index. Are there indexes to all of these marriage books somewhere, perhaps? Like a church register? I have seen them with German Catholic church records, but this is the first time I have seen anything like this for Portuguese records. Anyway, again, thanks, Duane On Friday, March 16, 2012 6:33:57 PM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: > *The top line says there is a fault (mistake) in the record and below it > gives the correct information. It gives Emilia daughter of Manuel Francisco > and Lucia de Jesus born 22 day and baptized the 24 day of 1834. * > > * * > > *Not sure about the bottom it says something about the register not > having duplicate data.* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *Rick* > > * * > > *Richard Francis Pimentel* > > *Spring, TX* > > *Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire * > > * * > > *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada > Grande, Sao Miguel, Acores* > > * * > > *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On > Behalf Of *Duane > *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 4:15 PM > *To:* azores@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism book note > > > > I discovered the note in the CCA link below, right hand page, that, of > course, concerns someone I am very interested in, namely Emilia. The facts > fit the marriage record of Emilia Joze of 1860, almost... Anyway, it seems > to say the record is missing from the book, but does appear in the > duplicate copy. This is where I am confused. I had thought the duplicate > went to the parents of the baptized person? Is this saying there is > another place I can look for this record? And if so, where might that be? > What are the 2.7 and 2.8 references? As far as I can tell, there are no > pages missing from the book in the vicinity of Aug 1834. > > > > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P199.html > > > > Thanks to anyone who might be able to help me understand. > > Duane > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Baptism book note
I discovered the note in the CCA link below, right hand page, that, of course, concerns someone I am very interested in, namely Emilia. The facts fit the marriage record of Emilia Joze of 1860, almost... Anyway, it seems to say the record is missing from the book, but does appear in the duplicate copy. This is where I am confused. I had thought the duplicate went to the parents of the baptized person? Is this saying there is another place I can look for this record? And if so, where might that be? What are the 2.7 and 2.8 references? As far as I can tell, there are no pages missing from the book in the vicinity of Aug 1834. http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841/FLR-SC-SANTACRUZ-B-1826-1841_item1/P199.html Thanks to anyone who might be able to help me understand. Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How to determine freguesia
I look at the census, ship records, passports on the US side (immigrants often went back to escort relatives to the US), passports on the CCA site, naturalizations, alien records, if they lived until 1940, and existing trees. As Rosemarie said, obits can sometimes be useful. Try looking for these records for siblings if you can't find them for the immigrant of interest. Also, don't overlook Portuguese associations such as UPEC, local history/genealogical societies, and cemetery information. If you have the town they lived in, you most likely have the freguesia. Pull up a map on google, and a map on the rootsweb site, such as this one for Terceira; http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~azrwgw/terceira.html and you are on your way. Try to detemine if marriages took place in the Azores or in the US. If in the US, get copies. If in the Azores, make that the first record you look for. With all of this, hopefully you can at least have circumstantial proof, like a birthday used on a US death certificate perfectly matches a Portuguese baptismal record. If you can do that for more than one sib, and especially if parents were named on the death cert of the immigrant, you have pretty good certainty you have the right people. Good luck. This is the hardest part of the job... Duane On Wednesday, March 14, 2012 9:54:53 AM UTC-7, themo...@aol.com wrote: > I would appreciate any tips about determining what freguesia a family > came from. Seem to be running into apparent "brick walls" because nearly > every document I have found only lists "Azores Islands". On one side of > the family I have the name of the island and town they lived in > before immigrating to the US but don't know if that is where births or > marriages took place; on the other side all I have is the island. The > immigrations I know about took place between 1850-1905. Thank you for any > advice. > > Lisa Vierra Turrentine > researching Vierra, Silveira, Pereira, Beirao from Azores > researching McKinney, White, Wilkerson, Rice > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Creating An Index for the Records
I suspect that almost all of us index, as that is really the only way to add siblings, etc. to our family trees, and if you go back far enough, everyone is related to everyone anyway. You are right Jesse, it is a huge waste of time for all of us to do it, as opposed to sharing. In the era where people outright steal music and movies with no repercussions, it seems unfair not to be able to share simple finding aids. Would it be an legal violation to simply post what freguesia and time periods we have all indexed? On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:55:12 AM UTC-7, Jesse wrote: > Hi everyone, > > When going through the records, I can't help but think (as I'm sure > everyone else must) that it would be great if there was an index > available. I've also thought, at times, that creating one might not be > so difficult, as it would be relatively painless as I pass the records > that aren't mine for me to simply record the name, parents, and page > number. > > I was wondering if anyone had ever attempted a project like this, and if > there are big, maybe obvious roadblocks that I'm overlooking. > > While to index every record from every book from every island would be > almost an impossibility for a single person, I was thinking that if we > came up with a standardized format and were able to use a program such > as Microsoft Excel, it might be very easy to make participating in a > project like this accessible to many people. > > If when browsing through a book, one can simply enter the three to six > names on the page into a form with a specific field already prepared for > that very page, I think that creating a series of indices may be not so > hard. Combined with the fact that the books already imply a very tight > date and location range, I believe a lot of information can be > centralized without a TON of effort. > > This was just an idea I had floating around in my head, and I'm sure > it's been discussed before, but I figured I would mention in just in > case. I created an example spreadsheet which I'm attaching. I think the > policy when making them would be that if there are any doubts at ALL > about a piece of information, to just leave the field blank or put a "*" > to indicate the information exists, but could not be read. > > Thanks for reading this. I would love to hear people's thoughts. > > -- > Jesse Pacheco > pacheco.jess...@gmail.com > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba, Flores marriage records
Thanks for the reply, John. Lomba seems to be crawling with Mendonca's, which is the line I am tracing. I noticed that the records don't go back very far there, so I am not surprised that there might have been a fire. In the book I was referring to in the original post, it seems like maybe the pages were ripped out. Very sad... On Monday, March 12, 2012 11:47:58 PM UTC-7, John Vasconcelos wrote: > Duane, > My father was born in Lomba and I experienced that same problem with those > records. According to a cousin who was also born in Lomba, many records are > missing She thinks there might have been some records lost in a fire. The > situation is particularly bad in my paternal grandmother's line which I've > only been able to trace back five generations. > John Vasconcelos > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Duane wrote: > >> I'm looking for a marriage record in the Lomba freguesia of Flores, and >> in searching the CCA site for 1860-1874, it seems the records for at least >> 1865-1873 have gone missing? Or perhaps they never existed because a >> church burned down or something? I can't see a note in the book which >> explains the sitution, and I also looked at the baptisms, and didn't see a >> bunch of marriages appear there, although I didn't do a record by record >> search. Does anyone happen to know what may have happened to these >> records? TIA >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions >> when they arrive. >> For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." > > > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Lomba, Flores marriage records
I'm looking for a marriage record in the Lomba freguesia of Flores, and in searching the CCA site for 1860-1874, it seems the records for at least 1865-1873 have gone missing? Or perhaps they never existed because a church burned down or something? I can't see a note in the book which explains the sitution, and I also looked at the baptisms, and didn't see a bunch of marriages appear there, although I didn't do a record by record search. Does anyone happen to know what may have happened to these records? TIA -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Norte Grande - impressions
On Feb 19, 9:16 am, joao ventura wrote:> I also found a single mother refered to as: prostitute. João, this is an interesting topic. Do you have a qualitative (or even quantitative) feel for how many illegitimate children were born in Norte Grande compared to the number of legitimates? I am asking, because I seem to run into a lot of supposedly single mothers in the lines I am studying (I have none in Norte Grande). It seems very common. Maybe it is just my family... ;> Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Se' d'Angra Terceira
I have a bit of a Terceira history/geography question that is driving me crazy. Francisco Machado Barcellos was baptized about 1872 at "Se' d'Angra" according to his marriage certificate in 1896 when he was then residing in Sao Bartolomeu (natural baptizado na freguesia da Se' d'Angra concelho Diocese dita, morador na freguesia de Sao Bartolomeu dos Rigatos do dita concelho Diocese). On the CCA site, they have data for Se' but only to about 1800, nothing later. Before I go renting lots of film, I guess what I am wondering is where do I look for Francisco's baptismal record, Santa Luzia, Se Cathedral, Nossa Senora de Conceicao, or all of them, even including the other two churches in Angra do Heroismo? Does "Se'" in 1896 refer to a specific church, as opposed to present day, so they didn't need to elaborate? I also got the dreaded "sendo o nubente filho de pais nao sabidos" concerning Francisco's parents on his marriage record, although one (but not others) of his son's baptismal record listed his grandmother as "Aldina Teodora", so I have a clue, but I really need to look in the right place given his common name, methinks. Thanks for any help or advice, Duane -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores website
Thanks so much, Cheri! On Feb 17, 10:03 am, Cheri Mello wrote: > Last fall, they were going to move the CCA server to this web > site:http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/ > > I don't know if it's official yet, but it seems to work. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Centro de Conhecimento dos Açores website
Does anyone know what happened to the CCA website? It has been down (404 message) since Wednesday night. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office and Whaling
Katharine: I am ashamed of myself for not knowing this. I went there when it became Oakland City College, receiving an A.A. in 1963. Thank you. Cheers, Duane On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Katharine wrote: > Oakland's University High School (known affectionately as "Uni"): > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_High_School_%28Oakland,_California%29 > > In relevant part: > > "University High School served the northwestern portion of Oakland > California. It originally opened in 1923 at what was 5714 Grove > Street. The high school was closed following World War II in 1948. > > "In 1954, the campus was converted into first location of Oakland City > College, which later became Merritt College. Merritt College moved to > its new campus in 1967... the building remained vacant for several > years. At one point, it was used as the filming location for the 1987 > film The Principal. The location has been rehabilitated and is serving > as the north campus of the Children's Hospital and Research Center > Oakland. Grove Street was subsequently renamed Martin Luther King Jr. > Way. This site was added to the National Register of Historic Places > in 1992." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Horta Record Office and Whaling
I'm curious about "Oakland's legendary University HS." Where and what is the school you are referring to? I am from Oakland and never heard of it. Thank you. Cheers, Duane On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Katharine wrote: > Hey John (V & F) and everyone else > > The coincidences just keep piling up! I attended high school with two > of Henry Miller's descendants (family hailed from Gustine), and even > college with one. Their mom (married into the Miller clan) > coincidentally attended Oakland's legendary University HS with my dad, > so probably knew he was of Portuguese descent (even though I didn't!). > > More relevantly to this forum, when I was quite little my mother told > me a story about a sailor who transited the Cape and sailed up to > Alaska in the 1800s -- I wasn't sure who back then, but now realize it > must've been my great-grandfather Noronha, who'd regaled his > grandchildren (including my dad) with tales of his seafaring > adventures. Just like your family's story, the protagonist was on a > "ship [that] went around the horn and up into Alaskan waters in search > of whale. They apparently were caught in in the ' big freeze' of the > early 1870's when many whaling ships were caught in the freezing > ice." I've seen a book re Alaska whaling that recounts this freeze of > 1871 -- will see if I can locate the WorldCat listing for it, so you > or anyone else interested can check it out (perhaps via Inter Library > Loan). > > While there's no way of knowing how much my great-grandfather might > have embellished his stories for his grandchildren's consumption, my > mother -- who never knew him, so was repeating only what she'd been > told by my dad and/or his other relatives -- said that he further > claimed his ship was iced in all winter with nothing but weevil-y > hardtack in their stores for the men to eat. > > She also said he claimed to have made ship's captain at the tender age > of 21 (have never found evidence of this yet, which of course proves > nothing one way or the other), owing to his linguistic proficiency in > 7 languages, including Russian and Chinese (curiously, however, > Portuguese was never mentioned (LOL!)) -- although even in old age my > dad and his sister could, between the two of them, count to 10 > correctly in Chinese! -- and that at least once the man risked his > life by insisting all his crew evacuate a sinking ship safely first > before he'd leave. Re Cape Horn, she said that he related having had > to climb a mast during a fierce storm there, and that other men fell > to their deaths that way there. > > More later. Katharine. > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Duane De Mello Regarding José Correia de Melo
Hermano: Long time since we have been in contact. The book looks interesting, even if it would not appear at first blush to be one of my de Mellos. Thank you. Cheers, Duane On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:07 PM, Hermano C. Pires wrote: > Anyone interested in reading this book (in Portuguese) try the site below > > ttp://www.archive.org/stream/allegaadobri00melo#page/62/mode/2up > > Hermano > > -- > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 09:25:39 -0400 > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Duane De Mello Regarding José Correia de > Melo > From: casademe...@gmail.com > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Nuclearmind: > > Good info. Thank you. > > Cheers, Duane > > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Nuclearmind wrote: > > Duane - I was reading your inquiry into José Correia de Melo. I > thought you might be interested in this. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150639312935#ht_567wt_1442 > > I found this hidden in my library where it was lying in a box. It is > hard to believe it has been almost two hundred years > since it's publication. I did a lot of research on before I posted > it, nevertheless, I came up empty-handed as far as it's value is > concerned. > Still, I am intrigued by this man, and i want to know more. I also > found a site where a girl spoke of a passport belonging to him. I will > fetch it and post. Scott Utley LA CA USA > > Allegaçaõ do brigadeiro José Correa de Mello, Governador das Armas da > Provincia de Pernambuco : > por porttaria de 1⁰ de desembro (sic) de 1821, e de cujo governo se > dimittio aos 5 de agosto de 1822 > logo que a provincia tomou a direcçaõ de se unir ao Rio de Janeiro. > Para lhe servir de defeza no Conselho > Guerra a que se lhe mandou proceder pela portaria da Secretaria > d'Estado dos Negocios da Guerra em > data de 10 de outubro de 1822 by José Correia de Melo( Book ) > > 1 edition published in 1822 in Portuguese and held by 8 libraries > worldwide > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Duane De Mello Regarding José Correia de Melo
Nuclearmind: Good info. Thank you. Cheers, Duane On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 10:52 PM, Nuclearmind wrote: > Duane - I was reading your inquiry into José Correia de Melo. I > thought you might be interested in this. > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150639312935#ht_567wt_1442 > > I found this hidden in my library where it was lying in a box. It is > hard to believe it has been almost two hundred years > since it's publication. I did a lot of research on before I posted > it, nevertheless, I came up empty-handed as far as it's value is > concerned. > Still, I am intrigued by this man, and i want to know more. I also > found a site where a girl spoke of a passport belonging to him. I will > fetch it and post. Scott Utley LA CA USA > > Allegaçaõ do brigadeiro José Correa de Mello, Governador das Armas da > Provincia de Pernambuco : > por porttaria de 1⁰ de desembro (sic) de 1821, e de cujo governo se > dimittio aos 5 de agosto de 1822 > logo que a provincia tomou a direcçaõ de se unir ao Rio de Janeiro. > Para lhe servir de defeza no Conselho > Guerra a que se lhe mandou proceder pela portaria da Secretaria > d'Estado dos Negocios da Guerra em > data de 10 de outubro de 1822 by José Correia de Melo( Book ) > > 1 edition published in 1822 in Portuguese and held by 8 libraries > worldwide > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Melo
I would be interested in your de Melo cousins from Ribeira Grande and Achada. Mine come from those neck of the woods. Cheers, Duane De Mello On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 3:32 PM, John M Athayde wrote: > Cleaning out old email, I found this. I've got one "de Melo" as my great > great grandfather. José Correia de Melo. His parents, however are a João > José Correia and Rosa Joaquina (perhaps her middle, not last name?). > Regardless, his son, Manoel Correia took his mother's surname (Adelaide > Isabel de Athayde do Conde), and we all ended up Athaydes. > > Not sure where the de Melo came from or was left out. Still doing research > in that area. They were in Graciosca and Manoel was born in 1893 in > Guadalupe > > On Dec 28, 2010, at 10:34 AM, Herb wrote: > > > Iris. I have soem time on my hands as I am on Christmas break > > > > I have been reading with great interest the posts on De Melo family > > from Nordeste. I was born in Nordeste in 1958 and lived there there > > until age 9. My teacher ( we only had one) was a Melo. I am not sure > > of her first name, it may be Conceicao Alexandre Melo. She still > > lives in Nordeste, I saw her in 1995 when I last visited Fazenda. I > > am a descendant of Antonio Cabral de Mello and Barbara Correia. Their > > grandson Jose Cabral de Melo married Dona Vitoria de Mendonca of > > Fazenda Nordeste. Cheri Melo and Denise D'Antona and I are cousins > > and we have exchanged posts about this several times over the years. > > The Melos are a well known and prominent family in Nordeste. The man > > who owned the local grocery store or "loje" in the town of Fazenda was > > named Melo. I stopped at his store with my father when we visited > > Fazenda in 1995. He remebered me. If I am not mistaken his name is > > Aldino or Evelino de Melo, perhaps related to Aldino de Melo of this > > group. It is difficult to break down the various Melos, Brandaos, > > Arrudas and Cabrals of Nordeste. It was not uncommon in Sao Miguel > > in those days to have 2nd and 3rd cousins marry each other, and on > > occasion even 1st cousins. In fact this practice was encouraged > > throughout Europe as late as the late 19th century, as this was seen > > as a way to preserve family ties and land possesions, continuation of > > family names etc. Approximately 40% of marriages throughout Europe > > in the 18th and 19th centuries were between cousins. So you see, it > > becomes very challenging to sort of break down and analyse these many > > family ties. I will have to ask my mother what else she can tell me > > about these families. I also have 2 cousins living in Fazenda and one > > in Ribeira Grande ( she used to live in Achada) and they may have some > > helpful information as well. > > > > Herb > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > John Athayde > atha...@gmail.com > www.boboroshi.com > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: San Francisco newspapers in 1945
The Oakland Post Enquirer was around as well, until aro 1951, when Hearst did it in. Duane On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 3:54 PM, wrote: > Oakland Tribune was around. > > Loretta > > > -Original Message- > From: Tomás Leal > To: azores > Sent: Sat, Jul 23, 2011 7:14 am > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: San Francisco newspapers in 1945 > > > On 23-Jul-11 05:17, > azores+noreply@googlegroups.**comwrote: > Topic: San Francisco Newspaper for 1945 > Cheri Mello Jul 22 09:53AM -0700 ^ > > What is the name (or names) of a San Francisco newspaper from 1945? > > I searched Newspaper Archives (their S.Fran. papers don't go to 1945) and I > only found 1 on Ancestry (Alta California something, which didn't go to > 1945 > either). > > Thanks, > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > In 1945, San Francisco had two morning papers: Chronicle (independent) and > Examiner (Hearst). > > Hearst also owned the afternoon paper, which originally was three different > papers that were merged in sequence. I don't know exactly when the mergers > took place (slightly before my time), but I think they were done by World > War II. The three papers were the News (Hearst), the Call, and the Bulletin. > The Call and Bulletin merged to form the Call-Bulletin and were later > acquired by the News, forming the New Call-Bulletin. I recall the News > Call-Bulletin throughout my childhood (born in 1948). This paper survived > into the mid-60's when the two morning papers combined printing, > distribution, and advertising functions under the San Francisco Newspaper > Agency. Because Hearst was already in the afternoon, the morning Examiner > was switched to the afternoon and the Chronicle stayed in the morning. For a > time, the new afternoon paper was called the Examiner (in large letters) and > News Call-Bulletin (in small letters Examiner) and soon only Examiner was > used. > > There were other newspapers too, though these five were the only dailies > that were around in 1945, as far as I know. There were also weeklies, mostly > advertising-driven shoppers papers (The > Shopping News and The San Francisco Progress), but they had little news and > would probably be of no importance to your search. > > Tomás Leal > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . Follow the > confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/**group/Azores<http://groups.google.com/group/Azores>. > Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will > take you to "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to Azores+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . Follow the > confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/**group/Azores<http://groups.google.com/group/Azores>. > Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will > take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Beginning My Search
Should you be able to find out who your Mello's were going back in Sao Miguel, let us know. My Mello's, from Ribeira Grande and Achadinha, may possibly be related. Cheers, Duane de Mello On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 2:14 AM, Edward Mello wrote: > I am just beginning research on my father's side, but not sure where > begin. Using Ancestry.com and the limited knowledge I have, I was able > to put together just some very basic of information. If possible, I > would appreciate advice on where I can begin searching for info about > my family before their immigration to the US. > > My great great grandparents were Frank and Mary (Souza) Mello. They > immigrated from Sao Miguel, Azores, Portugal around 1902/1903. They > brought at least 1 child, my great grandfather, Edward P. Mello with > them to Massachusetts. I found no passenger list, simply going off a > census form for the arrival date. > > Great great grandfather - Frank P. Mello born around 1871 in Portugal. > Great great grandmother - Mary Souza born around 1878 in Portugal. > Great grandfather - Edward P. Mello born in Sao Miguel, Azores, > Portugal in 1897. > > > Thanks for any feedback. > > Regards, > Edward Mello > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Melo
Cheri et al: You and I have been out of touch for several years now, but I thought I would chime in here with my De Mello's in Nordeste since I at still unable to go any further back than my great great grandparents there. Manuel de Mello, N.S. Anuncicao, Achadinha, Sao Migeul, married to Maria da Estrella, of N.S. Conceicao, Ribeira Grande, Sao Miguel. I have no dates at all for them, however, one of their sons (my great grandfather) was Joao de Mello Faulha (or Fautho?), born/baptized May 1841, N.S. Conceicao, Ribeira Grande. I would certainly be grateful for any assistance in identifying them or others in the family that goes back further in the line. Cheers and best wishes for the new year to all, Duane De Mello On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Iris Bilodeau wrote: > Yes, that would be the same Jose Amrida de Melo. I hope he speaks better > English than he did in 1996. > Obrigada, > Iris > > --- On *Tue, 12/28/10, Cheri Mello * wrote: > > > From: Cheri Mello > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] De Melo > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 28, 2010, 5:28 PM > > > I think Jose Almeida de Melo is or was one of the people that was on a > genealogy committee that would meet on the island of Graciosa. I think I > may have written him a letter years ago, but there was no connection (at > that time). > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: First name Serafina - anyone aware of nicknames?
My grandmother was Luiza, aka Lousia. One of her daughters was a Serafina, aka Sadie, aka Fina. Cheers, Duane On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Cheri Mello wrote: > Jay, > > I didn't think that Serafina and Luiza were interchangable. I thought > Luiza was probably Portuguese for Louise. Don't know what Serafina is > though. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Linguicia
While we are offering up our favorite sausage makers, I would like to suggest www.netosausage.com. While growing up in the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Area, they were always my favorite. Located along The Alameda, in Santa Clara, their outdoor table area for lunch is always thoroughly packed with customers enjoying their linguica sandwiches, along with their other offerings. Now that I live on the east coast, I still order from them several times a year via their online service. Enjoy, Duane On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 4:43 AM, susan lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For those of us who are sausage making challenged I would suggest > www.silvasausage.com . They provide a list of where their products are > sold and it says if you call they will ship. I am lucky enough that my local > grocer carries their linguica. So, if you are ever near San Martin stop at > Rocca's Market, they have an old fashioned butcher counter in there. > > Susan > > > > > -- > > Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 11:55:29 -0800 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Linguicia > > > Hello Charlene, > > As Elaine stated you can google to find several recipes for Linguica. The > Portuguese Hawaiian style and a variety from various regions of Portugal. I > personally didn't like the Hawaiian version. Here are three I just found, > one from northeast Portugal. Costco in San Marcos, CA was selling the > Silva's brand until recently and I guess it wasn't a big seller for them. I > tried promoting it everytime I was in there (LOL) hoping they wouldn't stop > selling it but they did and now I'm almost out. Going to have to try them > myself. > > My aunt just passed away and I am the one going through all her things. My > grandfather was a chef as was several other Portuguese relatives so I'm > hoping to find some of our Portuguese family recipes. I remember her telling > me she had one for linguica. Anyway, for now hopefully the following will > help. > > Michelle > > *This one is from Montanhas:* > > INGREDIENTS > 2 pounds boneless pork > 1/8 teaspoon cinnamon > 1 tablespoon vinegar > 1 teaspoon salt > 4 garlic cloves, mashed > 1/4 teaspoon pepper > 1/8 teaspoon cumin > 1 teaspoon paprika > > Trim excess fat from meat. Chop meat into 1/4 inch cubes. Set aside. > Combine vinegar, garlic, cumin, cinnamon, salt, pepper and paprika in a > large bowl. Add 2-1/2 cups water and mix thoroughly. > > Add meat, cover and refrigerate 2 days, stirring occasionally to blend > flavors. > > Drain liquid from meat and squeeze meat in dry towel to remove as much > moisture as possible. > > Fry meat mixture in ungreased fry pan 8 minutes until lightly browned and > crumbly. May be stuffed in clean casing for sausage or used in bulk. > > *Homemade Linguica > Emeril Lagasse, 2001 > * > 2 1/2 pounds pork butt, cut into 1/2-inch pieces > 1 tablespoon minced garlic > 1 tablespoon salt > 2 tablespoons paprika > 1 teaspoon freshly ground white pepper > 1 teaspoon dried oregano or marjoram > 3/4 teaspoon sugar > 1/2 teaspoon freshly ground black pepper > 1/2 teaspoon crushed red pepper > 1 tablespoon red wine or apple cider vinegar > 1 teaspoon vegetable oil > > Combine the pork, garlic, salt, paprika, white pepper, oregano, sugar, > black pepper and red pepper in a large bowl and mix well. Pass through a > food grinder fitted with a coarse die. (Alternately, transfer in 2 batches > to a food processor and process until finely ground.) Transfer to a large > bowl, cover tightly with plastic wrap, and refrigerate overnight. Add the > vinegar to the meat and stir well to combine. > > To test the seasoning, heat the oil in a small skillet, and cook about 2 > teaspoons of the mixture. Adjust seasoning, to taste. > > Form the meat into patties. > > Preheat a home smoker to 250 degrees F. Smoke the sausage for 1 1/2 hours. > Remove from the smoker and use as desired. > > *Portuguese tapas bar in San Francisco, near Fisherman's* *Wharf, in 1979* > > It differs considerably from traditional linguica in that it calls for > sherry (a Spanish wine) rather than vinegar, and its only spices are salt > and paprika. The mix should be very coarsely-ground. We use a 3/4" plate on > our grinder. As for the sherry, avoid cheap cooking brands. We favor > Harvey's Bristol Cream, which is rich, sweet and full-bodied, but you can > experiment with other types, although dry sherries give the sausage an > unpleasant, flat taste. Or try a good Port, which will, at least, be > Portuguese. Stuff into hog casings. When made with Harvey's Bristol Cream, > the tast
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Francisco Cardoso Rocha Fonseca
The Fruitvale area of East Oakland, along the area below East 14th Street, between 23rd and 38th Avenues, used to be known as "Jingletown." It was named for the Portuguese workers in the cotton mills that, upon being paid their wages on Fridays, used to walk home jingling their pay (in coins) in their pockets, signifying their temporary wealth. The "Fruitvale" name came from the fruit and vegetable canneries, also located in the area nearby the cotton mills. I was raised just off of 38th Avenue, above East 14th Street during the 1940-early 1950s, when Jingletown was no longer being recognized, as the canneries and cotton mills slowly died out and moved elsewhere. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 7:47 PM, celeste perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Fruit Vale" may be the Fruitvale area of Oakland, CA. There were a lot of > Portuguese in that area. Celeste, Hayward, CA > > Celeste Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > --- On *Fri, 9/26/08, Elaine Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: Elaine Sharp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Francisco Cardoso Rocha Fonseca > To: Azores@googlegroups.com > Date: Friday, September 26, 2008, 3:32 PM > > Any have Francisco Cardoso Rocha Fonseca b. abt. 1892 Doze Ribeiras, > Angra, Terceira in their family tree? He came to US 1910 with his brother > Joao going to their uncle Guilhermino Cotta Rocha, "Fruit Vale" CA. Coming > from his father Francisco Cardoso Rocha Fonseca, Doze Ribeiras, Angra, > Terceira . > > > > Thanks. > > "E" > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Oakland, CA research sources
Robert: As I recall, Clausen Elementary School was only one block away, in the triangle park area, at 34th and Haven Streets. My grandparents lived on Haven Street. The parish was across the park from the school and on the corner of Haven and 34th, was a favorite local bar (Or was the bar on 34th and Hollis?). Next to it, if I remember correctly, was an undertaker's establishment! I left that area in 1950, when my grandmother moved to North Oakland. On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 9:17 PM, robertjm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > I've got "some" pages copied at home for Marshalls from the City > Directory, and should have any pages with a "J" on them as my great- > great-grandfather's name was Joseph T. Marshall. In fact, they lived > in that neck of the woods! When I get home I'll take a look at what I > have and post my findings. Hustead's Directories were big in Oakland > too. Not sure if its the same company as Polk. > > I'm trying to visualize 34th/Hollis, but can't for the life of me! > That's pretty close to the old Clausen School, if memory strikes me. > > Later, > > Rober > > On Aug 27, 9:35 am, "eric edgar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gordon, > > > > here is link to an online Oakland City Directory for 1921 > > > > http://distantcousin.com/Directories/CA/Oakland/1921/ > > > > Eric > > > > On 8/27/08, celeste perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes Gordon, possibly in the phone books; however, the Polk (one > brand) > > > City Directories have a bit more information in them. It is not JUST a > > > listing of the business (or residence) the address and phone #. > Sometimes > > > you get lucky and there is additional information. Celeste, Hayward, > CA > > > > > Celeste Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > --- On *Tue, 8/26/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > > > > I keep forgetting the Okland library. I know the bar was at 34th and > > > Hollis in Oakland so I should be able to find something in the phone > books. > > > gordon > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
