[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 2017 Azores Genealogy Conference
Thank you, Cheri and Rosemarie, for the wonderful conference experience you provided in SLC. I thoroughly enjoyed meeting folks with a shared research focus. Cheri, I can't thank you enough for the lectures on DNA that provided a clear and concise understanding of a very complicated subject matter. And Rosemarie, your presentation of the Portuguese-American Digital Newspaper Collection has already led me to find my 2x great grandfather mentioned in a Bay Area newspaper, yippee! My old beagle wasn't doing too well when I returned home. On Saturday, I found myself sharing tears with vets, techs, and other hospital staff believing Labor Day Weekend would be Snoopy's last. A week later he is doing much better and he has surprised everyone with his turn around. Instead of a 12-1/2-year-old beagle, I must have a "cat" with 9 lives! Cheers, Kim White Portland, OR On Saturday, September 2, 2017 at 11:44:09 AM UTC-7, Kathy Cardoza wrote: > > Well, the latest Azores conference concluded yesterday. I attended, and > felt that Cheri Mello and Rosemarie Capodicci did a fabulous job organizing > all the classes and materials. I saw nothing but big smiles on everyone’s > faces and heard many comments about how much was learned from the classes > and individual help folks received. As an added bonus, you get to meet new > friends you’ve shared emails or postings with and, of course, spend time > and swap stories with friends you’ve met before. > > Thank you both for all you do to further our Azorean research and for to > help our little community! Your work is very much appreciated! > > Kathy Cardoza > ~~~ > Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~azrwgw/index.html > ~~~ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Tree programs
Hi Maggie, I had a similar problem when I did not upgrade my old FTM and the new version was recently introduced a few months back. I chose to purchase the "upgrade" to FTM 2017. I then downloaded my tree(s) as a Gedcom file to my desktop. You can then upload the Gedcom file into the new FTM program. I would imagine the same process would work with other software programs, as well. Good luck, Kim White, "not a computer genius" On Wednesday, August 30, 2017 at 8:07:52 AM UTC-7, Maggie15 wrote: > > I have all of my family tree loaded on a MAC version of Family Tree Maker. > An older version. Now I can't upload it to any other site. > Anyone have any idea what to do? I want to get it loaded onto something > that is working better. > Maggie Homen Sutton > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature
Thank you all for this thread on Paleography. Rick, do you happen to have an Ed. Pimentell in your tree? This person would have been living in the Hayward, California area in 1897. I have an old newspaper clipping with a picture of the "Forester's Band," "Haywards," taken in 1897. Along with a few of my ancestors, an "Ed. Pimentell" is named in the picture, too. Cheers, Kim On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 at 7:59:33 AM UTC-7, Richard Francis Pimentel wrote: > > *I standardize last name spellings using James Guill’s list from Vol 5, > Azores Islands a History. In this book he has listed SOUSA not Souza. My > Genealogy program allows flexibility on names. My grandfather spelled his > name Pimental, according to his Baptismal record the correct spelling is > Pimentel. In my Genealogy program I entered his name as Pimental, As a Tag > (name variation) I entered his name as Pimentel. I also entered his sort > name as Pimental. This way when I search, his name will be listed both ways > and he can be found.* > > *There is a list of first names that are the approved names and modern > spellings in Portugal. I use the modern spellings for example Joao rather > than Joam, Anna rather than Ana. I also make a note on how the name was > spelled in the record.* > > > > *Rick* > > > > *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Azores Genealogy > group > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 8, 2017 4:18 AM > *To:* Azores Genealogy > *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Nomenclature > > > > G'day folks, > > > > Recently there has been discussion on using modern Portuguese whenever > using family tree databases. I fully support such a standardisation but > what is the definitive reference source document? As a non speaking Aorean > descendant how do I determine what's modern? > > > > Examples to You use de Sousa or de Souza, Anna or Ana, I have multiple > official documents where even in same document names have been spelt > differently. > > > > Suggestions?. > > > > Tony > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: 1920 U.S. Federal Census, San Leandro, District 0156, enumeration
Thank you for the ideas. On Friday, February 3, 2017 at 12:59:24 PM UTC-8, Kim White wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I am looking at the enumeration for my great grandparents and am wondering > what a particular notation signifies on the enumeration form. I have noted > that persons who gave Azores as their country of nativity have an "OC" > handwritten over "Azores" and "OL" handwritten over "Portuguese." I am > wondering if any of you have determined if this notation was made at the > time of indexing, or transcription, and what it represents? > > I have noted "Hamburg" was overwritten with "Ger," "Ost Freisland" was > overwritten with "Holland," and "Fyal" was overwritten with "Ptg" and a > number of other notations, as well. > > It is reasonable to suggest that "Ptg" overwritten on "Fyal" indicates > Portugal, but "OC" comes across to me as either "Old Country" or "Other > Country." > > Thank you, > Kim > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] 1920 U.S. Federal Census, San Leandro, District 0156, enumeration
Hi folks, I am looking at the enumeration for my great grandparents and am wondering what a particular notation signifies on the enumeration form. I have noted that persons who gave Azores as their country of nativity have an "OC" handwritten over "Azores" and "OL" handwritten over "Portuguese." I am wondering if any of you have determined if this notation was made at the time of indexing, or transcription, and what it represents? I have noted "Hamburg" was overwritten with "Ger," "Ost Freisland" was overwritten with "Holland," and "Fyal" was overwritten with "Ptg" and a number of other notations, as well. It is reasonable to suggest that "Ptg" overwritten on "Fyal" indicates Portugal, but "OC" comes across to me as either "Old Country" or "Other Country." Thank you, Kim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi Jeremy, Thanks for the information. I am going to go back through everything and work backward. I appreciate all the help and guidance from this group. Kim On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote: > > Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right > direction. > > My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I > believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel > Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, > Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked > for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not > find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the > US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they > immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test > and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the > last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi Margaret, I think Manuel Jr age is 11 months not 11 years. It would match his DOB of Manuel Jr - May 25, 1903, if he left in May of 1904. Kim On Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 1:05:07 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: > > Hi Kim, > > I'm trying to help, however based on the birth year 1878 for Manuel Cecis > (Ancestry Celio) Fonseca sailing on the ship Vancouver in 1903, bringing > him to be 25 years old. Does the manifest state if he is married? Why I'm > asking is because the 1904 Maria Bento M. Fonseca is 35 years old with an > 11 year old child, which translate to Manuel being a father at 15 years of > age, and married around 14 years of age, very unlikely. I think you're > looking at 2 different families. > > I did find the birth record for the Manuel born in Faial da Terra on the > 2nd of September 1878. Here's the link, record # 34 right page. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1870-1879_item1/P235.html > > I also found a Manuel Secio da Fonseca, single, godfather to a child by > the name of Manuel, born to Maria Secio da Fonseca, presuming this is his > sister's baby. # 26 left page. > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899/SMG-PV-FAIALDATERRA-B-1890-1899_item1/P136.html > > Further to this and Elaine finding the birth record for the passports > Maria. I checked through the records and did not find the birth record for > Manuel, the child and Maria born in 1903, nor the marriage record for such > couple. > > Unfortunately the passport for Maria Bento de Melo and children does not > show the childrens' father's name. I checked twice and did not find Manuel > Cecio da Fonseca marriage within the given dates or outside of these time > frames. > > > > > > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 12:22 AM, Kim Secia <kas...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hi Cheri, >> >> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me >> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it >> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List. >> >> >>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic >>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904. She is with children Maria 3, >>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca, >>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his >> name >>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca. >> >> >>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U. >>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903. He is going to >>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford. He was born ca >>1878 I believe in Sao Miguel. >> >> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration >> dates seem to match up with everything I found online. >> >> Thank you for the additional information. >> Kim >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Kim, >>> >>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3 >>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de >>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello, >>> #719? >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html >>> >>> Here are the facts: >>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was >>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in >>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA. >>> >>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated >>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are >>> aliens. >>> >>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and >>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens. >>> >>> The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and >>> they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than >>> Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are. >>> Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth >>> years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere >>>
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi Cheri, I know Manuel and Maria had the follow children, Mary J, Maria, Manuel Jr,. and Antone. I wasn't 100% when they actually immigrated because the date kept changing on the census information so depending on when they came is the only way to know which children were born in the US. Since E found the actual ships that show Manuel coming over in May of 1903 and then Maria coming over in May of 1904, that would put the first 3 children born in Portugal below are there DOBs. Mary J - March 13,1901 Maria Rose - April 5, 1902 Manuel Jr - May 25, 1903 Anthony (Antone) - April 20, 1905 I am now assuming since Maria was pregnant in May of 1903, she waited until after she had the baby and everyone was healthy to travel before coming to the US. Then got to US and a year later Antone was born. This is why I think E's information is correct, the children line up. Also on one of the census document Maria was listed as Mary Bento. Thank you for the follow up. Kim . On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > You said your immigrant ancestors had 2 children: Anthony and Manuel. > Sounds like things don't match. I thought you told me they married in > America. Then had kids. This woman married there and had kids there. Maybe > she married there had more in America too. > > The census info you provided never listed a Manuel. Only "Antone." He was > born in America, not the Azores. > > I'm sure if I had a couple of free hours I could find more than one Maria > de Mello coming to America with a Manuel and Antonio. Or a few Marias too. > > Maria, Manuel, Antonio, and Mellos are all way too common and it would be > very, very, easy to pick the wrong one. You need to start with their death > certificates and work backwards in time and make sure you have a timeline > on these guys, with all that conflicting info. It's going to be a bit > tedious for awhile. > > It just doesn't make sense to me that your DNA matches NO ONE who is doing > Sao Miguel ancestry. One thousand people and you match zero. Very weird. > Definitely test your dad when you are able. He's got double the Portuguese > ancestry you do :) > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Kim Secia <kase...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Cheri, >> >> E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me >> the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it >> on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List. >> >> >>- Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic >>sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904. She is with children Maria 3, >>Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca, >>Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name >>was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca. >> >> >>- The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U. >>S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903. He is going to >>his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford. He was born ca >> 1878 I believe in Sao Miguel. >> >> Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration >> dates seem to match up with everything I found online. >> >> Thank you for the additional information. >> Kim >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Kim, >>> >>> Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3 >>> children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de >>> Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello, >>> #719? >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPO >>> RTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html >>> >>> Here are the facts: >>> You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was >>> 43, immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in >>> 1903, also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA. >>> >>> The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated >>> 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are >>> aliens. >>> >>> The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and >>> Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens. >>> >>> The onl
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi Cheri, E (not sure his real name) found the ships the came over on. He sent me the information in a private email. I'm not sure how he found it on Ancestry. Here is the information which lead me to the Passportes List. - Maria Bento M. Fonseca came to the U. S. on the ship "S.S. Canopic sailing from St. Michael's May 17, 1904. She is with children Maria 3, Maria 2 and Manuel 11 months going to her husband Manuel C. Fonseca, Mattapoisett MA. When Manuel Jr. applied for citizenship, he said his name was Manuel Secia but he came to the U. S. under the name Manuel Fonseca. - The father Manuel Cecis (Ancestry has Celio) Fonseca game to the U. S. on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903. He is going to his cousin Manuel Mauricio Mello living in New Bedford. He was born ca 1878 I believe in Sao Miguel. Are you saying these are not matches? The children's ages and immigration dates seem to match up with everything I found online. Thank you for the additional information. Kim On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: > Kim, > > Why a Maria Bento de Mello? She is a married woman, born c. 1869, with 3 > children already. What research in America has lead you to a Maria Bento de > Mello? Why not a Maria de Jesus Mello? Why not Maria de Simas de Mello, > #719? > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/ > PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908/PASSAPORTES-FAL-1889-1908_item1/P189.html > > Here are the facts: > You said the 1920 in Mattapoisett, Massachusetts that Manuel Secia was 43, > immigrated 1902,and was an alien. Mary/Maria was 48, immigrated in 1903, > also an alien. Son "Antone" was born c. 1905 in MA. > > The 1930, also in Mattapoisett said that Manuel Secia now 56, immigrated > 1901, and was an alien. Mary/Maria is now 62, immigrated 1904. Both are > aliens. > > The 1940, still in Mattapoisett, says that Manuel Secia is now 63 and > Mary/Maria is 70. Both aliens. > > The only thing you can tell for certain: They lived in Mattapoisett, and > they are aliens. What you can most likely infer: Maria is older than > Manuel. Manuel immigrated first. They don't really know how old they are. > Manuel's birth years: 1867, 1864, 1877. A 10 year span. Mary/Maria's birth > years: 1858, 1862, 1870. A 12 year span. Maybe they are born somewhere > outside this span. > > Nothing says Sao Miguel island. Nothing says Mary/Maria's maiden name was > Mello. Nothing says she immigrated under that name. She is born during the > third time period where most women didn't have surnames. She may have > immigrated under Maria da Conceição, Maria da Estrella, Maria do Rosario > > Start with their deaths and work backwards. You're really not ready to > search in the Azores. It's like looking for a needle in a haystack. With > 900-1000 people of Azorean descent who have taken Family Finder, you match > no one with Sao Miguel ancestry. You match with a relative of Evie Silva > Kiler who is on this list. I run "In Common With" and everyone on that list > is Faial, Pico, or Sao Jorge island. No one is Sao Miguel island. It will > help when you are able to get your dad's Family Finder as well. > > Get the deaths, the obits, burial records, and tombstone photos. Get the > children's births and baptisms. Get the marriage. Get the Alien > Registration. Manuel's WWI Draft. There's a lot of things to look for here > first: https://goo.gl/b0IGW3 > > Make a time line for your ancestors with the conflicting info. Your > ancestors didn't seem to know. Their answers are all over the place. It > doesn't look like you'll be able to use their ages with any certainty. > You've got to find a document with the island, and hopefully, it will have > the freguesia! > > Good luck! Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 6:59 PM, Kim S <kase...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello All, >> >> I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read >> where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would >> be greatly appreciated! >> >> It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello. >> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS >> SAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm >> >> >> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote: >>> >>> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right >>> direction. >>> >>> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I >>> believe
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi Mara and E, Wow there are ALOT of Marias and Manuels in this family Thank you for all the help! So the next step is to look at the baptism records for the 3 children in Faial da Terra, Povoacao? On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote: > > Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right > direction. > > My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I > believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel > Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, > Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked > for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not > find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the > US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they > immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test > and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the > last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hello All, I found my great-grand mother on the Passportes List, but can not read where she came from. Also the name of her travel companion. Any help would be greatly appreciated! It's the line with entry 617 (1329-1333) - Maria Bento de Mello. http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/ PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1903-1905_item1/P57.htm On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:36:11 PM UTC-7, Kim S wrote: > > Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right > direction. > > My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I > believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel > Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, > Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked > for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not > find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the > US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they > immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test > and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the > last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi Mara, I found one Secia in Portugal born in 1890 and died in 1979 in Lisbon. He is also Manuel Secia and came to the US for a brief period but lived most of his life on the mainland of Portugal. He has one reminding grandson Joao and a great grandson Pedro. I am in contact with Pedro. He reach out to me years ago to see if we are related. This is why I didn't think Secia was shortened because there is one more Secia out there. Any Secia you find on FB from the US is directly related to Manuel Secia born 1878. He had two sons, Anthony and Manuel Jr that carried on the name. On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 5:47:58 PM UTC-7, Mara wrote: > > Hi, > > Yes, Sécia is used as a last name. There's someone with this name on Face > Book. It is also the name of a flower, cultivated in most gardens and > backyards on the islands, sécias, could spot them a distance away for their > bright colours, pinks, oranges and purple. > > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 7:17 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> >> Is it possible that "Cecis" is mis-transcribed? Couldn't the name have >> been Manuel Cecia Fonseca, and then the spelling of "Cecia" changed to >> "Secia"? The sound would have been the same. >> >> >> Linda >> >> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:21:55 PM UTC-8, "E" Sharp wrote: >>> >>> John, >>> >>> It was a great guess on my part but I found their ship's records to the >>> U. S. it lists his name as Manuel Cecis Fonseca so maybe this is where >>> he it comes from. I am trying to find him on Passportes. He came from Sao >>> Miguel on the ship Vancouver arriving in Boston May 23, 1903. Any help >>> appreciated as I have a hard time reading these Passportes records. Maybe >>> this will tell us where he was born as the second of the passenger list is >>> missing??? :-( >>> >>> "E" >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:09 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy < >>> azo...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That is a great hypothesis and I bet it will prove out to be the case. >>>> Fonseca, ''seca...secia". If it turns out to be the case let us know. Fact >>>> is often stranger than fiction. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 4:25 PM, "E" Sharp" <belle...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Kim, >>>> >>>> They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca. Maybe they used the >>>> Secia (note FonSECA) in the U. S. I am going to send you further >>>> information to you personal email address. >>>> >>>> "E" >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S <kas...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi E! >>>> >>>> I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on >>>> MyHeritage. The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony >>>> and Manuel Jr. I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the >>>> road block. >>>> >>>> Thanks for looking into the name for me! >>>> >>>> Kim >>>> >>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote: >>>> >>>> Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you >>>> will see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. >>>> Interesting story and many pictures of the family. >>>> >>>> "E" >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+un...@ googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/ group/azores >>>> <https://groups.google.com/group/azores>. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > > > -- > Margaret M Vicente > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
E, You are amazing! Thank you s much! Kim On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:25:20 PM UTC-7, "E" Sharp wrote: > > Kim, > > They came to the U. S. under the surname Fonseca. Maybe they used the > Secia (note FonSECA) in the U. S. I am going to send you further > information to you personal email address. > > "E" > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:42 AM, Kim S <kas...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hi E! >> >> I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on MyHeritage. >> The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony and Manuel Jr. >> I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the road block. >> >> Thanks for looking into the name for me! >> >> Kim >> >> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote: >>> >>> Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you >>> will see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. >>> Interesting story and many pictures of the family. >>> >>> "E" >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi E! I found that publication and added the pictures to my tree on MyHeritage. The only Secias in the US are from Manuel's two sons Anthony and Manuel Jr. I'm trying to find the name in the Azores and that's the road block. Thanks for looking into the name for me! Kim On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 10:27:20 AM UTC-7, E. Sharp wrote: > > Google the Early Settlere of Mattapoisett Book 2 search Secia and you will > see Mary's De Mello grandmother came from Sao Miguel, Azores. Interesting > story and many pictures of the family. > > "E" > > Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi - I am unsure where they originated from, I only know the Azores right now. I saw Sao Miguel on a US Census but they could have just left from there. Cheri said from my DNA the middle islands are the most likely. On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 8:19:23 AM UTC-7, EResendes wrote: > > Do you know where he was from. I have seen Secio (nickname) in Faial da > Terra, Sao Miguel but it isn't very common. > > On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 5:36:11 PM UTC-5, Kim S wrote: >> >> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right >> direction. >> >> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I >> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel >> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, >> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked >> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not >> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the >> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they >> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test >> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the >> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hi Cheri, I joined the FTDNA group. I will look at the instructions on how to narrow down my search. Thank you, Kim On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 3:41:06 PM UTC-7, Cheri Mello wrote: > > Join the Azores DNA Project here: > > Log into your FTDNA page with your kit number and password. > > Across the top is says: myFTDNA, DNA Tests, ProjectsPoint at Projects. > When the drop down menu appears, click "Join a project." > > If the Azores Islands appears on the top, click the link and scroll down > to the JOIN button at the end. > > If the Azores Islands is not suggested, scroll down to where it says > "Search by Surname" and type: azores. > > When Azores Islands appears, click the link follow the directions. > > > You are not ready to research in the Azores yet. Believing someone is from > Sao Miguel would be like someone believing their ancestor was from > Nebraska. You could look there, but in reality, you need to search the > whole United States. To narrow your search in the Azores, check out this > how to on the Azores GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/b0IGW3 > > > Hope something pans out for you. > > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Kim S <kas...@gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right >> direction. >> >> My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I >> believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel >> Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, >> Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked >> for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not >> find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the >> US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they >> immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test >> and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the >> last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Trying to trace the last name Secia in the Azores
Hello - I am hoping someone can help me or point me in the right direction. My great-grand parents immigrated to the US in 1902 from the Azores (I believe Sao Miguel). My great-grandfather has a very uncommon name, Manuel Secia born est 1877 and my great-grand mother has an extremely common name, Maria de Mello born est 1868-1874, so both are hard to trace. I have looked for both and can not find the last name Secia in Portugal and I can not find a Maria de Mello around 1868-1874 that got married immigrated to the US. They did have one child in the Azores Mary J Secia 1901 before they immigrated but I can not find anything on the birth. I did take a DNA test and it has linked me to a couple distance cousins in the Azores with the last name of Goulart but we can not figure out how we are linked. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Understanding Family Name Usage
Thank you for the explanation. I don't mind looking for all of the different iterations, I just wanted to understand what was perhaps going on with his name. Cheers, Kim On Friday, March 18, 2016 at 9:41:03 AM UTC-7, Kim White wrote: > > Hi Folks, > In the Will & Probate records of my 2x Great Grandfather his name is given > with 2 other known names. The names are listed as such: Antonio Ignacio > Pereira a.k.a. Antone Enos Pereira a.k.a. Ignacio Pereira. Are there > naming practices or usages that may help explain why a person would have > used 3 different iterations of a name? Understanding this a bit more may > help me when looking for other records. Thank you. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Understanding Family Name Usage
Hi Folks, In the Will & Probate records of my 2x Great Grandfather his name is given with 2 other known names. The names are listed as such: Antonio Ignacio Pereira a.k.a. Antone Enos Pereira a.k.a. Ignacio Pereira. Are there naming practices or usages that may help explain why a person would have used 3 different iterations of a name? Understanding this a bit more may help me when looking for other records. Thank you. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: New Member Introduction
Since our Azorean ancestors often followed different naming practices, I thought it prudent to add the "aliases" that my 2x g.g-father used, as documented in his will and probate papers. I am providing these as there were spelled on the document. Antonio Ignacio Pereira also known as Antone Enos Pereira also known as Ignacio Pereira Thank you, and perhaps someone will recognize this person as someone in their own tree. P.S. Prayers and best wishes for those living in the Azores, I see that a hurricane has formed in that area of the Atlantic. The first during January in about 80 years! On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 at 5:22:05 PM UTC-8, Kim White wrote: > > As a new member I wanted to post my maternal family surnames that I am > researching as an introduction. I do not have any specific calls for > assistance yet but I'm sure to have them in the future. Cheers! > > 2x great-grandfather: *Antone E Pereria* > Information provided on Death Certificate (not all proven, to date): > b. 20 Feb 1835 > Azores > Father - Joseph Pereria > Mother - Unknown > He resided in California for about 60 years (immigrating about 1853) > Family lore has him traveling from the East coast to the West by wagon. > d. 27 Aug 1913, Hayward, Alameda County, California > > Marriage: 11 Dec 1866 (California) > > 2x great-grandmother: *Mary E Neves* > Information provided on Death Certificate (not all proven, to date): > b. 7 Jan 1847 > Azores > Father - Frank Neves > Mother - Isabelle > She resided in California for about 61 years years (immigrating about 1863) > d. 16 Feb 1924, Hayward, Alameda County, California > > Other side of the aisle > > 2x great-grandfather: *Francisco "Frank" J Coelho* > b. about 1844 > Azores > d. 17 Jul 1908, Alameda County, California > > Marriage: 11 Sep 1878 (California) > > 2x great-grandmother: *Marianna Barcelas* > b. about Dec. 1844 > Azores > d. 18 Oct 1931, Alameda County, California > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] New Member Introduction
As a new member I wanted to post my maternal family surnames that I am researching as an introduction. I do not have any specific calls for assistance yet but I'm sure to have them in the future. Cheers! 2x great-grandfather: *Antone E Pereria* Information provided on Death Certificate (not all proven, to date): b. 20 Feb 1835 Azores Father - Joseph Pereria Mother - Unknown He resided in California for about 60 years (immigrating about 1853) Family lore has him traveling from the East coast to the West by wagon. d. 27 Aug 1913, Hayward, Alameda County, California Marriage: 11 Dec 1866 (California) 2x great-grandmother: *Mary E Neves* Information provided on Death Certificate (not all proven, to date): b. 7 Jan 1847 Azores Father - Frank Neves Mother - Isabelle She resided in California for about 61 years years (immigrating about 1863) d. 16 Feb 1924, Hayward, Alameda County, California Other side of the aisle 2x great-grandfather: *Francisco "Frank" J Coelho* b. about 1844 Azores d. 17 Jul 1908, Alameda County, California Marriage: 11 Sep 1878 (California) 2x great-grandmother: *Marianna Barcelas* b. about Dec. 1844 Azores d. 18 Oct 1931, Alameda County, California -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] oldest list member
Happy Birthday today. My father isn't a list member. But he also turned 95 on February 22nd of this year. Kim Rowe Jenkins From: p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2014 4:02 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] oldest list member I believe Cheri identified my father, Lionel Rocha Holmes, as the oldest of our list members. It also happens to be his birthday today. He turned 95 and still going strong - drives his own car, active in the PHCS. Pretty amazing. We already had a big party on Sunday. Happy Birthday, Dad! Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 http://www.dholmes.com/ -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Bravo da Rosa
Hi everyone, I'm brand new to the group and I'm hoping that someone can help me track down information about some ancestors. My great-great grandfather, Frank Rose Bravo, was born in the Azores Islands in about 1858 or 1859. He came to the US in (I think) about 1878, moved to California, and worked as a barber. He married Isabel while in California. She was born in the US, but I think her parents (possibly Joseph and Constance Sousa) were born in Portugal or the Azores. The family story goes that Frank's surname was actually Bravo de la Rosa while in the Azores. Since then, however, I have been informed that his name was probably actually Francisco Bravo da Rosa and I believe he was from the island of Faial (or perhaps Sao Miguel). I do not know anything about his parents or lineage beyond what I have written here except that he had a brother named (Americanized version) John Rose Bravo who was in California also by about Spring of 1896. Does anyone know anything about these brothers or the Bravo da Rosa family? Thanks, Kim -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
Evening,
The last I can find by baptismal records is Guilhermina, Birth 27 August 1878
in Santa Cruz, Madeira / Death 12 August 1948 in Alameda, Ca.
Her mother is listed as Augusta do Rosário {married to Monteiro} I have
conflicting hints as to whether she is from or was born in the Azores /
Maderia. The issue with the conflicting info might be a result of my own
ignorance regarding paternal / maternal last name combinations, or lack
thereof. I've also tried to obtain some records from Hawaii, but it appears
that may take a good long while and that is assuming there are records to
locate.
There is of course the classic bit of family mystery behind this, and while I
have thick skin, above all I wish to be considerate toward possible family
connections.
If your or someone are interested in some of the other other last names I am
seeing in DNA matchups Ancestry but have yet to figure out, just shoot me an
email at kimberlylhard...@gmail.com
Cheers,
K
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] MtDNA haplogroup
Greetings, My first post, so hopefully the picture / graphic is viewable ... I'm new to the DNA testing, so found the haplo group interesting since my general ethnic breakdown is central european, british isles and a bit of eastern european, etc... Cheers, k https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-QJY1iGY-1ig/UOd1W_16EZI/AD0/ZP-hI-i7acM/s1600/mtDNA.jpg On Friday, January 4, 2013 3:35:18 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote: Doug, Since I am match with your father here are mine, several match with his with a few differences, I have no idea what they mean yet but I'm trying to figure it out. Maybe someone could explain it a little. HVR1 Differences from RSRS T16094C A16129G C16147T T16187C T16223C G16230A C16270T T16278C C16311T C16519T On Friday, January 4, 2013 6:19:12 PM UTC-5, Doug Holmes wrote: I just compared my father's mtDNA line with mine from Hungary. Much is the same, but there are some slight differences at the end. These are my own results: - A16129G - T16187C - C16189T - T16223C - G16230A - C16261T - T16278C - G16310A - C16311T - C16519T Results from my father's line: HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM RSRS - A16129G - T16187C - C16189T - T16223C - G16230A - T16278C - T16298C - C16311T - C16320T -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Infor for death in Mexico
I think they only show up if you notify the social security that you want to collect the one time death benefit of $255.00. My mother didn't show up, then I told my sister (who was handling all of the finances to my mother) to notify social security of the one time death benefit and she did then my mother showed up on the social security death records search. Kim From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:50 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Infor for death in Mexico I am trying to find a SSDI record for a US Citizen who died age 80 at his summer home in 1995 in Mexico. He is buried in the US and collected Social Security. I cannot find him on SSDI records. Even though he died in Mexico shouldn't he still be listed on SSDI if he collected it? E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba
Robyn, I noticed that you received the Naturalization Record from the National Archives for a Naturalization that took place in MARIN COUNTY IN 1906. I need to find a naturalization for Frank V. Smith on August 1st 1881. I called the Marin County Superior Court and they said that they don't have the records. How did you find out that the National Archives had your record in 1906? Kim From: Robyn Orsini rors...@fender.com To: azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com; Marcio Borba marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 5:18 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba I finally received a copy of the Naturalization Record from the National Archives and Records Administration for my Third Great Grandfather, Antonio M. Borba. Unfortunately, it didn’t give me any information I didn’t already know except that he was then currently residing in Tiburon. Attached is a copy if anyone is interested. From:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Orsini Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 11:01 AM To: Marcio Borba; azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba Wow! Pretty interesting; thank you so much. I’ll let you know what I find from the Naturalization Records when I receive them. You and I just might be related. Thanks, again. From: Marcio Borba [mailto:marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:31 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: Robyn Orsini Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba Not necessarely. Back then last names could vary. Isabel father was Joao Machado Borba. Would be perfeclty normal if Isabel son, Antonio, would have been Antonio Machado Borba Marcio Borba Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com/ --- Em seg, 14/5/12, Robyn Orsini rors...@fender.com escreveu: De: Robyn Orsini rors...@fender.com Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba Para: azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Data: Segunda-feira, 14 de Maio de 2012, 18:08 Thank you for the information, but the Antonio below born Nov. 5 would have the last name of Azevedo, not Borba, correct? I have no other information about Antonio M. Borba’s parents or siblings. Only that he married a woman named Emilia, and they had approximately 6 children; 4 girls and 2 boys. Am I missing something else in your data below? From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marcio Borba Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 8:53 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Cc: Robyn Orsini Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba Hi, The Machado Borba is very proeminent in Calheta, S. Jorge island. I have these in my data. please notest the Antonio born Nov. 5 below Do you have any clue on your Antonio parents or siblings? Descendants of Isabel Augusta de Borba Generation No. 1 1. Isabel Augusta9 de Borba (João Machado8, ANTÓNIO JOAQUIM DE BORBA7 DA SILVEIRA, JOSÉ MACHADO6 DE BORBA, MANUEL PEREIRA5, FRANCISCO4, ANDRÉ PEREIRA3, MANUEL PEDROSO2, ANTÓNIO PEDROSO1 TEIXEIRA) was born 12 Nov 1859 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge, and died 16 Nov 1953 in Santa Clara, Santa Clara Co., CA, USA. She married António Domingos de Azevedo Mar 1883 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge, son of Domingos da Silveira and Maria da Encarnação. He was born 08 Jan 1861 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge, and died 27 Feb 1944 in Santa Clara, Santa Clara Co., CA, USA. Children of Isabel de Borba and António de Azevedo are: 2 i. Manuel Domingos10 Azevedo, born 14 Jan 1884 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge; died Bef. Nov 1953. 3 ii. António, born 05 Nov 1885 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge. + 4 iii. Domingos Borba Azevedo, born 28 Dec 1887 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge; died 13 Aug 1955 in San Mateo Co., CA, USA. Generation No. 2 4. Domingos Borba10 Azevedo (Isabel Augusta9 de Borba, João Machado8, ANTÓNIO JOAQUIM DE BORBA7 DA SILVEIRA, JOSÉ MACHADO6 DE BORBA, MANUEL PEREIRA5, FRANCISCO4, ANDRÉ PEREIRA3, MANUEL PEDROSO2, ANTÓNIO PEDROSO1 TEIXEIRA) was born 28 Dec 1887 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge, and died 13 Aug 1955 in San Mateo Co., CA, USA. He married Rose Roberts Abt. 1925 in Marin Co, CA, USA, daughter of José Roberto and Maria Emília. She was born Abt. 1898 in Marin Co., CA, USA. Children of Domingos Azevedo and Rose Roberts are: 5 i. Gilbert11 Azevedo, born in Stanislaus Co., CA, USA. He married Donna Pankoski. 6 ii. Dominic Borba Azevedo, born 19 Jun 1928 in Santa Clara, Santa Clara Co., CA, USA; died 03 Oct 2004 in Montana, NV, USA. He married Elaine Clarice Olivera in San Jose, Santa Clara Co., CA, USA; born in Merced Co., CA, USA. Marcio Borba Feel
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith
What information did you want off of Rosa Smith's death certificate? Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 12:39 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Re: So that is why Maria/Mary doesn't show up under Frank Rosa Smith's 1900 census. Maria was already married to M.T. Freitas by 1900 so she would not have shown up in Frank Rosa's household. ~Deborah On Feb 17, 5:01 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote: Deborah, I would like to get the name of the book please so I could purchase a copy of it. Jackpot. Yes I know your Frank Smith with the birthdate of 4/08/1855 is the same as my Frank Smith also born in 1855. So I am pretty sure they are the same Frank Smith. I can piece together that Frank Smith who married Rosa Bettencourt in 1884. Rosa Bettencourt had a child Maria/Mary who was born on Sao Jorge in 1878 before she was married to Frank Smith. I don't know the frequesa (?) or village she was born in. So that is why Maria/Mary doesn't show up under Frank Rosa Smith's 1900 census. Maria/Mary shows up under Manuel T. Freitas 1900 Census as his wife. They were married in 1896. The information that you gave me on Maria was born in (1879) on Soa Jorge, Riberira de Areia (the same village by grandmother came from). Now I have a village that I can start to look under for her birth. Now my connection to Rosa Smith that was married to Frank Smith. My great grandmother Mary Henriques Francisco (she also went by the last name of Martin) who lived in Butte County California is the sister of Rosa Smith. I exhausted all of the information about my great grandmother Mary Francisco. So when I looked up her obituary it listed her sister Mrs. Frank Smith of San Rafael. So that is how I got the connection of my great grandmother and Rosa Smith. So I guess Rosa Smith is my Great, Great Aunt? Frank and Rosa Smith are the Father and Mother in law to Manuel T. Freitas. Thank you very much. Please also thank your mother also. You both have been a big help. Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Kim, I just had a long conversation with my mother. She read to me from a book that David Freitas (grandson of Manuel T. Freitas) wrote. Here's what I got.. Francisco Sodre, 4th son of Manuel V. Sodre and Anna Josephine Francisco Sodre also went by the name of Frank Smith, born on San Jorge 4/8/1855 (different from your Frank Smith). Went to New Bedford, MA; was there from 1872-75, then on to Marin (Corte Madera). He married Rosa in 1884, they had 5 children: Anita, Rosa, Maye (my mother knew her), Inez and Josephine (no Marie [Freitas]). Frank Rosa moved to Marinwood and leased a dairy. At some point he became the manager of Manuel T. Freitas' home ranch. Here's what I have on Maria Bettencourt. Parents were Rosa de Silviera (she had 5 brothers who used the name Silva) and Joao Bettencourt. Joao was first married to an English woman. Maria was born in (1879) on Soa Jorge, Riberira de Areia (the same village by grandmother came from). Rosa and Joao moved to Boston, had 2 additional children that subsequently died. Joao changed his name here to John Sylvester -- was a whaling ship captain (I don't know that I quite believe that). Joao died and Rosa's brothers moved her to Marin . She married one of her brother's neighbors, Francisco Vicente Naciemento Sodre. I guess it's the same Frank in both accounts (???) I'm not sure how/if this Frank is a relative of MT Freitas. Once I get the book from my mother I'll through it and see what else I can find. I need a large white board to sort this all out. So, are you a descendant of Rosa? ~Deborah On Feb 16, 6:44 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Deborah, Frank Smith was also a dairyman. I have come up with the following names this family has used. Bettencourt (and any way you can spell bettencourt) Freitas Henriques Silveria Silvester Sodre Frank Rosa Smith's daughter Mary married Manuel T. Freitas in 1896 in I think Marin County. What information do you have on Frank Rosa Smith or Manuel Mary Freitas? Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Did Frank Smith EVER use his name Silva? My grandmother's uncle Frank Silva (from Sao Jorge) was a dairyman. He had a daughter named Mary (May) that I know for sure was my grandmother's first cousin. ~Deborah On Jan 3, 11:42 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith
Deborah, In regards to blood relation. Rosa Smith was my great grandmothers sister. Which would make Rosa Smith my grandmothers Aunt, and my Dad's Great Aunt and my Great, Great Aunt? And Frank Smith would be my Great, Great Uncle by marriage. And Rosa and Frank Smith's children my 3rd cousins? I think that is how the pecking order is? If not please explain it to me so I can understand it. Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2012 11:05 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Kim, It's a book that my Mom's cousin put together so it's not for sale. He gave her a copy. I now have his email address and will contact him about your 'Rosa'. Apparently then, Frank was Maria Bettencourt's step-father, so no blood relationship there, though it seems like an awful lot of people immigrated from that tiny island! I believe the birth records would probably be in the nearest large church, perhaps Velas. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velas_%28Azores%29 There's a picture of one of the villages, Urzelina, which is where Manuel T. Freitas was from. Let me know if you have any luck trying to find records. I contacted someone yesterday but it sounds as if he really doesn't do any research but rather just copying and sending of documents. I found this interesting site. Perhaps you've seen it already. http://web.meganet.net/bettenco/ Best, Deborah On Feb 17, 5:01 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote: Deborah, I would like to get the name of the book please so I could purchase a copy of it. Jackpot. Yes I know your Frank Smith with the birthdate of 4/08/1855 is the same as my Frank Smith also born in 1855. So I am pretty sure they are the same Frank Smith. I can piece together that Frank Smith who married Rosa Bettencourt in 1884. Rosa Bettencourt had a child Maria/Mary who was born on Sao Jorge in 1878 before she was married to Frank Smith. I don't know the frequesa (?) or village she was born in. So that is why Maria/Mary doesn't show up under Frank Rosa Smith's 1900 census. Maria/Mary shows up under Manuel T. Freitas 1900 Census as his wife. They were married in 1896. The information that you gave me on Maria was born in (1879) on Soa Jorge, Riberira de Areia (the same village by grandmother came from). Now I have a village that I can start to look under for her birth. Now my connection to Rosa Smith that was married to Frank Smith. My great grandmother Mary Henriques Francisco (she also went by the last name of Martin) who lived in Butte County California is the sister of Rosa Smith. I exhausted all of the information about my great grandmother Mary Francisco. So when I looked up her obituary it listed her sister Mrs. Frank Smith of San Rafael. So that is how I got the connection of my great grandmother and Rosa Smith. So I guess Rosa Smith is my Great, Great Aunt? Frank and Rosa Smith are the Father and Mother in law to Manuel T. Freitas. Thank you very much. Please also thank your mother also. You both have been a big help. Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Kim, I just had a long conversation with my mother. She read to me from a book that David Freitas (grandson of Manuel T. Freitas) wrote. Here's what I got.. Francisco Sodre, 4th son of Manuel V. Sodre and Anna Josephine Francisco Sodre also went by the name of Frank Smith, born on San Jorge 4/8/1855 (different from your Frank Smith). Went to New Bedford, MA; was there from 1872-75, then on to Marin (Corte Madera). He married Rosa in 1884, they had 5 children: Anita, Rosa, Maye (my mother knew her), Inez and Josephine (no Marie [Freitas]). Frank Rosa moved to Marinwood and leased a dairy. At some point he became the manager of Manuel T. Freitas' home ranch. Here's what I have on Maria Bettencourt. Parents were Rosa de Silviera (she had 5 brothers who used the name Silva) and Joao Bettencourt. Joao was first married to an English woman. Maria was born in (1879) on Soa Jorge, Riberira de Areia (the same village by grandmother came from). Rosa and Joao moved to Boston, had 2 additional children that subsequently died. Joao changed his name here to John Sylvester -- was a whaling ship captain (I don't know that I quite believe that). Joao died and Rosa's brothers moved her to Marin . She married one of her brother's neighbors, Francisco Vicente Naciemento Sodre. I guess it's the same Frank in both accounts (???) I'm not sure how/if this Frank is a relative of MT Freitas. Once I get the book from my mother I'll through it and see what else I can find. I need a large white board to sort this all out. So
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith
Deborah, I would like to get the name of the book please so I could purchase a copy of it. Jackpot. Yes I know your Frank Smith with the birthdate of 4/08/1855 is the same as my Frank Smith also born in 1855. So I am pretty sure they are the same Frank Smith. I can piece together that Frank Smith who married Rosa Bettencourt in 1884. Rosa Bettencourt had a child Maria/Mary who was born on Sao Jorge in 1878 before she was married to Frank Smith. I don't know the frequesa (?) or village she was born in. So that is why Maria/Mary doesn't show up under Frank Rosa Smith's 1900 census. Maria/Mary shows up under Manuel T. Freitas 1900 Census as his wife. They were married in 1896. The information that you gave me on Maria was born in (1879) on Soa Jorge, Riberira de Areia (the same village by grandmother came from). Now I have a village that I can start to look under for her birth. Now my connection to Rosa Smith that was married to Frank Smith. My great grandmother Mary Henriques Francisco (she also went by the last name of Martin) who lived in Butte County California is the sister of Rosa Smith. I exhausted all of the information about my great grandmother Mary Francisco. So when I looked up her obituary it listed her sister Mrs. Frank Smith of San Rafael. So that is how I got the connection of my great grandmother and Rosa Smith. So I guess Rosa Smith is my Great, Great Aunt? Frank and Rosa Smith are the Father and Mother in law to Manuel T. Freitas. Thank you very much. Please also thank your mother also. You both have been a big help. Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Kim, I just had a long conversation with my mother. She read to me from a book that David Freitas (grandson of Manuel T. Freitas) wrote. Here's what I got.. Francisco Sodre, 4th son of Manuel V. Sodre and Anna Josephine Francisco Sodre also went by the name of Frank Smith, born on San Jorge 4/8/1855 (different from your Frank Smith). Went to New Bedford, MA; was there from 1872-75, then on to Marin (Corte Madera). He married Rosa in 1884, they had 5 children: Anita, Rosa, Maye (my mother knew her), Inez and Josephine (no Marie [Freitas]). Frank Rosa moved to Marinwood and leased a dairy. At some point he became the manager of Manuel T. Freitas' home ranch. Here's what I have on Maria Bettencourt. Parents were Rosa de Silviera (she had 5 brothers who used the name Silva) and Joao Bettencourt. Joao was first married to an English woman. Maria was born in (1879) on Soa Jorge, Riberira de Areia (the same village by grandmother came from). Rosa and Joao moved to Boston, had 2 additional children that subsequently died. Joao changed his name here to John Sylvester -- was a whaling ship captain (I don't know that I quite believe that). Joao died and Rosa's brothers moved her to Marin . She married one of her brother's neighbors, Francisco Vicente Naciemento Sodre. I guess it's the same Frank in both accounts (???) I'm not sure how/if this Frank is a relative of MT Freitas. Once I get the book from my mother I'll through it and see what else I can find. I need a large white board to sort this all out. So, are you a descendant of Rosa? ~Deborah On Feb 16, 6:44 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Deborah, Frank Smith was also a dairyman. I have come up with the following names this family has used. Bettencourt (and any way you can spell bettencourt) Freitas Henriques Silveria Silvester Sodre Frank Rosa Smith's daughter Mary married Manuel T. Freitas in 1896 in I think Marin County. What information do you have on Frank Rosa Smith or Manuel Mary Freitas? Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Did Frank Smith EVER use his name Silva? My grandmother's uncle Frank Silva (from Sao Jorge) was a dairyman. He had a daughter named Mary (May) that I know for sure was my grandmother's first cousin. ~Deborah On Jan 3, 11:42 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote: Elaine, My great grandmother that lived in Butte County name was Mary Henriques. Henriques was her maiden name according to my grandmothers social security application in 1936. Thank you, Kim From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:58 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosa Frank Smith Kim, Do you have this? Is this them? Applying for a Passport for a trip back to from Azores to US for embarking and landing. Frank Smith July 3, 1901, consulate, Sao Miguel. Travelling
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith
Deborah, I have Frank Smith's death certificate. The birthdate on his death certificate is April 08, 1855. The same birthdate that you mention for him. So we have the same family for Frank Smith. Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 2:32 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Kim, I just had a long conversation with my mother. She read to me from a book that David Freitas (grandson of Manuel T. Freitas) wrote. Here's what I got.. Francisco Sodre, 4th son of Manuel V. Sodre and Anna Josephine Francisco Sodre also went by the name of Frank Smith, born on San Jorge 4/8/1855 (different from your Frank Smith). Went to New Bedford, MA; was there from 1872-75, then on to Marin (Corte Madera). He married Rosa in 1884, they had 5 children: Anita, Rosa, Maye (my mother knew her), Inez and Josephine (no Marie [Freitas]). Frank Rosa moved to Marinwood and leased a dairy. At some point he became the manager of Manuel T. Freitas' home ranch. Here's what I have on Maria Bettencourt. Parents were Rosa de Silviera (she had 5 brothers who used the name Silva) and Joao Bettencourt. Joao was first married to an English woman. Maria was born in (1879) on Soa Jorge, Riberira de Areia (the same village by grandmother came from). Rosa and Joao moved to Boston, had 2 additional children that subsequently died. Joao changed his name here to John Sylvester -- was a whaling ship captain (I don't know that I quite believe that). Joao died and Rosa's brothers moved her to Marin . She married one of her brother's neighbors, Francisco Vicente Naciemento Sodre. I guess it's the same Frank in both accounts (???) I'm not sure how/if this Frank is a relative of MT Freitas. Once I get the book from my mother I'll through it and see what else I can find. I need a large white board to sort this all out. So, are you a descendant of Rosa? ~Deborah On Feb 16, 6:44 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Deborah, Frank Smith was also a dairyman. I have come up with the following names this family has used. Bettencourt (and any way you can spell bettencourt) Freitas Henriques Silveria Silvester Sodre Frank Rosa Smith's daughter Mary married Manuel T. Freitas in 1896 in I think Marin County. What information do you have on Frank Rosa Smith or Manuel Mary Freitas? Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Did Frank Smith EVER use his name Silva? My grandmother's uncle Frank Silva (from Sao Jorge) was a dairyman. He had a daughter named Mary (May) that I know for sure was my grandmother's first cousin. ~Deborah On Jan 3, 11:42 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote: Elaine, My great grandmother that lived in Butte County name was Mary Henriques. Henriques was her maiden name according to my grandmothers social security application in 1936. Thank you, Kim From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:58 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosa Frank Smith Kim, Do you have this? Is this them? Applying for a Passport for a trip back to from Azores to US for embarking and landing. Frank Smith July 3, 1901, consulate, Sao Miguel. Travelling with wife Rosa Smith, children: Annie Smith b. 9/26/1884, Rosa Smith b. Jan 18, 1889, Mary Smith b. 8/3/1895, Agnes Smith b. 7/27/1895. All b. San Rafael CA. It says Frank was born in Sao Jorge Apr. 28, 1856, came to US on the Schooner Galena from Sao Jorge June 19, 1874 and he has resided in San Rafael for 26 years, 1874-1900. He was naturalized Aug. 1, 1881, Superior Court, San Rafael CA. He is a dairyman. They left the US Sep 12, 1900, landed in Sao Jorge Sep 24, 1900 and resided in Sao Jorge since Sep 24, 1900. He is temporarily residing in Sao Miguel for 30 days awating this Passport. Signed July 2, 1901 Consulate in Sao Miguel. I can send you a copy in the mail. In the meantime, I will try and find their ship's manifest on the way back and maybe to the Passportes from Sao Miguel which will give you her birth name. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith
Hi Deborah, Frank Smith was also a dairyman. I have come up with the following names this family has used. Bettencourt (and any way you can spell bettencourt) Freitas Henriques Silveria Silvester Sodre Frank Rosa Smith's daughter Mary married Manuel T. Freitas in 1896 in I think Marin County. What information do you have on Frank Rosa Smith or Manuel Mary Freitas? Kim From: Deborah Keller47 dlk...@gmail.com To: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Rosa Frank Smith Did Frank Smith EVER use his name Silva? My grandmother's uncle Frank Silva (from Sao Jorge) was a dairyman. He had a daughter named Mary (May) that I know for sure was my grandmother's first cousin. ~Deborah On Jan 3, 11:42 pm, Kim Rowe te...@bellsouth.net wrote: Elaine, My great grandmother that lived in Butte County name was Mary Henriques. Henriques was her maiden name according to my grandmothers social security application in 1936. Thank you, Kim From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:58 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosa Frank Smith Kim, Do you have this? Is this them? Applying for a Passport for a trip back to from Azores to US for embarking and landing. Frank Smith July 3, 1901, consulate, Sao Miguel. Travelling with wife Rosa Smith, children: Annie Smith b. 9/26/1884, Rosa Smith b. Jan 18, 1889, Mary Smith b. 8/3/1895, Agnes Smith b. 7/27/1895. All b. San Rafael CA. It says Frank was born in Sao Jorge Apr. 28, 1856, came to US on the Schooner Galena from Sao Jorge June 19, 1874 and he has resided in San Rafael for 26 years, 1874-1900. He was naturalized Aug. 1, 1881, Superior Court, San Rafael CA. He is a dairyman. They left the US Sep 12, 1900, landed in Sao Jorge Sep 24, 1900 and resided in Sao Jorge since Sep 24, 1900. He is temporarily residing in Sao Miguel for 30 days awating this Passport. Signed July 2, 1901 Consulate in Sao Miguel. I can send you a copy in the mail. In the meantime, I will try and find their ship's manifest on the way back and maybe to the Passportes from Sao Miguel which will give you her birth name. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosa Frank Smith
Hi Elaine, Yes that is them. I already have that information. I really appreciate you offering to send it to me. I just didn't know how to go about finding the freqesia and village for them. Rose (it could also be Rosa, RosIE or Rosalind) Frank Smiths wife had there 1st child Mary was born in June 1878 (according to the 1900 census under Manuel Mary Freitas) in Sao Jorge I found out from her death certificate I think it was. My great grandmothers sister Rose Smith (who is married to Frank Smith) is using the last names of Bettencourt, Silviera Silvester. And the name of Sodre is popping up I find. She was born in December 1855. Is there something I can do to help look for the information. I have ancestry also. But not the world edition. I have just the U.S. edition. Thank you, Kim Rowe From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:58 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosa Frank Smith Kim, Do you have this? Is this them? Applying for a Passport for a trip back to from Azores to US for embarking and landing. Frank Smith July 3, 1901, consulate, Sao Miguel. Travelling with wife Rosa Smith, children: Annie Smith b. 9/26/1884, Rosa Smith b. Jan 18, 1889, Mary Smith b. 8/3/1895, Agnes Smith b. 7/27/1895. All b. San Rafael CA. It says Frank was born in Sao Jorge Apr. 28, 1856, came to US on the Schooner Galena from Sao Jorge June 19, 1874 and he has resided in San Rafael for 26 years, 1874-1900. He was naturalized Aug. 1, 1881, Superior Court, San Rafael CA. He is a dairyman. They left the US Sep 12, 1900, landed in Sao Jorge Sep 24, 1900 and resided in Sao Jorge since Sep 24, 1900. He is temporarily residing in Sao Miguel for 30 days awating this Passport. Signed July 2, 1901 Consulate in Sao Miguel. I can send you a copy in the mail. In the meantime, I will try and find their ship's manifest on the way back and maybe to the Passportes from Sao Miguel which will give you her birth name. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosa Frank Smith
Elaine, My great grandmother that lived in Butte County name was Mary Henriques. Henriques was her maiden name according to my grandmothers social security application in 1936. Thank you, Kim From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com To: azores Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:58 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Rosa Frank Smith Kim, Do you have this? Is this them? Applying for a Passport for a trip back to from Azores to US for embarking and landing. Frank Smith July 3, 1901, consulate, Sao Miguel. Travelling with wife Rosa Smith, children: Annie Smith b. 9/26/1884, Rosa Smith b. Jan 18, 1889, Mary Smith b. 8/3/1895, Agnes Smith b. 7/27/1895. All b. San Rafael CA. It says Frank was born in Sao Jorge Apr. 28, 1856, came to US on the Schooner Galena from Sao Jorge June 19, 1874 and he has resided in San Rafael for 26 years, 1874-1900. He was naturalized Aug. 1, 1881, Superior Court, San Rafael CA. He is a dairyman. They left the US Sep 12, 1900, landed in Sao Jorge Sep 24, 1900 and resided in Sao Jorge since Sep 24, 1900. He is temporarily residing in Sao Miguel for 30 days awating this Passport. Signed July 2, 1901 Consulate in Sao Miguel. I can send you a copy in the mail. In the meantime, I will try and find their ship's manifest on the way back and maybe to the Passportes from Sao Miguel which will give you her birth name. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Da Silva family on Sao Jorge Island
My Great Grandmothers name was Mary Henriques. Henriques is her maiden name according to my grandmothers social security application. She was born in approx. 1840 according to her death certificate. She died in 1923 in Butte County. Now her sister Rosa is using the maiden name of Bettencourt. But on her death certificate her father and mothers last names are Silvester and Silviera. So I don't know if Bettencourt is a married name if she was married when she had her 1st child in 1878 in Sao Jorge? From: bellema...@gmail.com bellema...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Da Silva family on Sao Jorge Island Kim, What was your great grandmother's name who came from Sao Jorge? Do you have her Portuguese name or her sister Rosa's maiden name? I will check ship's manifest for you if you can give me name and approximate year of birth. E I just recently found my great grandmothers sister Rosa Smith in San Rafael in Marin County. Her husband is Frank Smith (portuguese last name Da Sodre, De Sodre or Sodre) from Sao Jorge. So now after 5 years of researching I have finally found what island my great grandmothers family is from Sao Jorge. Now I just need to figure how to find the village and frequisia. I found some information that they came into Rhode Island but I do not know were to look for that information. So I can find what last name they decided to use coming into the U.S. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Da Silva family on Sao Jorge Island
Hi Robin, What caught my eye in your post is Sao Jorge and San Rafael. I just recently found my great grandmothers sister Rosa Smith in San Rafael in Marin County. Her husband is Frank Smith (portuguese last name Da Sodre, De Sodre or Sodre) from Sao Jorge. So now after 5 years of researching I have finally found what island my great grandmothers family is from Sao Jorge. Now I just need to figure how to find the village and frequisia. I found some information that they came into Rhode Island but I do not know were to look for that information. So I can find what last name they decided to use coming into the U.S. Rosa Frank Smith daughter Maria married Manuel T. Freitas in 1896 in Marin County I think. The had alot of children. I need to order the microfilm and look for the marriage certificate. Thank You, Kim Rowe Jenkins From: Robin Lebo le...@sbcglobal.net To: azores@googlegroups.com azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Da Silva family on Sao Jorge Island Adair, This might be a cousin link somehow. I wish my grandmother had let us meet the family and maybe this would really not be as tough in trying to find info. The Cenus records have my great grandparents in the town of San Joaquin in 1920 and 1930. They have my great grandmother's name spelled wrong. They have my great grandfather and my grandfather's name as Geo Silva. My g uncle is listed as Willie Silva. Other names are spelled incorrect at that time as well. My mother Evelyn Catherine Silva was born around 1940 in the Manteca area. She tells me her grandparents lived out in Merced county, but not specifically where. They are buried outside of Escalon. Her father's birth records are from San Rafael. Her father was a topper for one of the lumber companies when she was a child. Do you have any family that worked in the lumber industry? I do know that the Silva side of our family would have an annual reunion in Gustine every summer. I never attended it though. I will go through some of my pictures and see if any have Borba for a name. I use Archives.com, so I have the records I have found attached to the person in my tree it goes to. What sites have you used to get information from Sao Jorge? I use a translator on my phone to translate for me. My husband thinks I am crazy to be searching, but I am determined to find the line. Robin Lebo On Dec 31, 2011, at 15:54, Adair Borba adair1...@comcast.net wrote: Robin, I have been trying for some time to connect my Great Grandmother(Jennie Solomon Silva) to her family. She was born in 1856(Sao Jorge), arrived in 1869 to Rhode Island, she married in 1875 Manuel Ignacio Borba in Rhode Island. They migrated to Northern California and settled in Sebastopol. Joseph(Jose) Solomon 1871 may be her father...Manuel Siva Solomon was her brother, born in 1851 in Sao Jorge. I believe her brother was in California or crossed country with them. I have a good handle on her children and where they settled, but have not been able to solidly connect what happened to her brother/family, or trace her Mother. Adair Borba On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:42 PM, PearlCat 500 wrote: Is there anyone working on family history for Sao Jorge? I am from the Silva line out of Calhetta. Looking for info on g g grandparents, ggrandparents' siblings, etc. have posted before. I use Tribalpages. My great grand father was Jorge Da Silva, his wife was Arminda Aurora Lui( z or s). George came to America in 1898, Arminda came in 1906. I have George's immigration papers and the release from the King. I have their marriage paper. I have info on all their children. One person helped me find the ship they came in on in 1906. But I am stuck going backwards since the rest of the info is in Sao Jorge. When George came in 1898 he had family with him. There were two. The others got off in Brazil. There is family in Mass as well. Iam working on that also. Arminda had lived on Terciera prior to Sao Jorge. Her mother had died on her family's boat. She was taken to Sao Jorge to be raised by family since her father was a ships Capt. I have some names that were listed on Calif death certificates. On George's the name Neves was his mothers. On Arminda's the name Diaz was on hers. Thanks for your help, Robin L -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Longevity among Azoreans
My Fathers mother was 100% Portuguese. I am still trying to find out were my fathers mother is from in the azores. My Dads sister Mabel 50% Portuguese born in Albion, CA was 95 years old when she passed away. My father was born in Fort Bragg, CA is also 50% portuguese will be 92 years old this month. My father still lives in his own house without any assistance. Kim Rowe Jenkins Louisiana From: Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 3:31:37 PM Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Longevity among Azoreans Generally speaking, I would say that you could find both extremes. I had a great aunt that lived to 99 my great grandfather lived to 81, my grandfather lived to 80 my dad is still alive at 90. On the other hand my uncle died at 65. My dad’s mothers family was prone to heart disease and some died early as my uncle. My grandmother lived to 81 though. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From:azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 10:18 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Longevity among Azoreans Repost for Tina - tinaparks at gwi dot net: Is there a lot of longevity in Azorean families? My great aunt Edith Rose Vieira lived until 103 and 1/2. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.-- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My DAD Clarence Valine
I am so sorry for your loss. I will say a prayer for you and your family. Kim Rowe Jenkins From: San Dauer acore...@msn.com To: Azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 7:53:14 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] My DAD Clarence Valine My Dad Clarence Vieira Valine died peacefully on May 31, 2010. Below OBIT from Porterville Recorder Sandra Valine Dauer Clarence V. Valine was called to the Lord on Monday, May 31, 2010. Clarence was born on July 14, 1919 in Dinuba and was a lifelong resident of Tulare County. A rosary and funeral mass will be held on Friday, June 4, 2010 beginning at 1 PM at St. Anne's Catholic Church in Porterville with graveside services immediately following at Hillcrest Memorial Park in Porterville. Clarence is the son of Manuel and Carolina Valine who immigrated to Tulare County from Lajes do Pico, in the Azores Islands. Clarence is survived by his loving wife of 61 years, Mary C. Valine, his children, Sandra Dauer, Rod Valine (Margie) and Jeff Valine (Diane). Clarence was also blessed with 5 Grandchildren, 1st Lt. Christopher Valine, USAF, Ashley Valine, Scott Valine, Laura Valine and Jason Dauer (Dena) and 2 great-grandchildren, Jared and Sydney Dauer. Clarence was preceded in death by his brother, Joseph, his sister Mary and his son-in-law, John Dauer. Surviving siblings are sisters Elsie Hylton and Olivia Dores. Clarence served in the US Army from 1942-1946, including a tour of service as an MP in post-WWII Korea. He was extremely proud of his life membership in the American Veterans Post 56 and the American Legion, as well as being a former member of the Porterville Breakfast Lions and the Luso-American Fraternal Federation. As a 2nd generation Tulare County farmer and rancher for over 60 years, Clarence produced crops ranging from grapes, barley, cotton, sugar beets, watermelons, alfalfa, prunes and various other products until his retirement in 1975. Clarence and his wife were also strong supporters of the 4-H Clubs and Porterville Fair, which included being founding members and of the Rockford 4-H Club in 1957 and project leaders for 25 years. In retirement, Clarence enjoyed collecting antique farm equipment, toy tractors, farm caps and Lions Club pins, playing cards and games with his family and friends, vacationing in Pismo Beach, enjoying his grandkids and rooting for his favorite baseball team, the Dodgers. To sign the family guest book or send condolences please go to www.myersfuneral.com. Myers Funeral Service Crematory in Porterville is in charge of arrangements. Published in The Porterville Recorder on June 3, 2010 -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.clip_image001.jpg
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norma Jean Perry/Pereira Baptiste
Hi Nancy, I am so sorry for your loss. I will say a prayer for you and your family. Now she isn't in any pain anymore from the cancer. Your mother died at a young age of 81. Thank goodness my Dad is still alive and doing well at the young age of 91. I talk to him every day. Kim From: nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com To: azores group azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, May 21, 2010 4:23:55 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Norma Jean Perry/Pereira Baptiste Greetings Group, My Mother, Norma Jean Perry Baptiste, died last Thursday after a battle with cancer. She was 81 years old. She was a very good mother and we will all miss her humor and strong opinions! She was a descendant of Sao Jorge people on both sides with the exception of a Pico grandmother. Her family came from many states to be with her.she always loved it when we all gathered together. She was delighted with the genealogy discoveries I've been able to share with her and said she couldn't wait to tell my Dad about the newest discovery that George Pacheco found when she got to heaven! (I recommend George if you want to hire a researcher)(Dad's grandmother, Caterina Cabral, from Santa Maria, goes back to Dom Afonso lll). She was a people person and would have loved her funeral..over 300 people there and the processional was so long you couldn't see the end. She completely organized her funeral down to the last detail as befitting an executive secretary! Nancy Jean Baptista The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. Get busy. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records
Hi Elaine, When my stepmother died in October 2007 my stepsister was taking care of all of her financial affairs. I looked my stepmother up on the social security death index and she didn't pop up because my step sister didn't apply for the one time death benefit of I think $255.00 because she didn't know about it. I told my stepsister about the one time death benefit that she was entitled to it because she took care of the arrangements. When my stepsister applied for my stepmothers one time death benefit I ran my stepmothers name then she popped up under the deaths. So if you don't apply for the death benefit then you won't come up on the social security death records on ancestry as I experienced. Kim From: E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 2:56:48 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] SSDI Records Thanks, one and all. In 1930, census he is 66 and no occupation listed. Prior to that he was a farmer so I have a feeling he never paid into SSDI so will abandon that resource for now. I have written to the funeral home to see if they might have this information. Next, I will try the church he attended. If that fails, I will send for his death record. I thought the SSDI would have been the best resource as that would have been something he would have filled out. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mattos Family - JElayne
Hi Robin, I forgot my Portuguese Great Grandmothers maiden name was Henriques. She was married to my Portuguese Great Grandfather from Butte County in California. The cities and towns that they lived in Butte County California are Clear Creek Cherokee Oroville Chico Thank you, Kim Rowe Jenkins From: Besotes beso...@succeed.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:30:37 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mattos Family - JElayne Hello JElayne - I'm interested in your Mattos family. I too an a Mattos descendent. You may have posted before on the list, but due to my email change, Google couldn't get me linked up for some time and I've been off-list. They finally fixed it and I'm back. My Great-Grandmother - Maria Mattos, daughter of Jose Teixeria Mattos and Isabell Euzebia Mattos (I believe this was his wife?). They had ten children that I have so far. John Teixeira Mattos Jose Mattos Manuel Perieira Mattos Manuel Argusto Mattos Maria Sao Pedro Mattos Rose Mattos Tony Mattos Joaquin Mattos Maria Santa Mattos Frank T. Mattos *Yes two Maneul's and two Maria's. Many resided in Butte County, some settled in West Sacramento (child of Frank T. Mattos), etc., etc. Let me know what you think and if any names might be the same as your records. I do know the family was from Sao Jorge. A cousin who took a trip to Sao Jorge with my Great-Grandparents in the 1950's for three months is in the process of copying Mattos family records to send to me. Hopefully, this will provide me with more names to compare. Thank you, Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove, Miliptas From: Daniel Jenkins To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: 2009-10-25 07:00 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria Cristina Bento and Ernesto de Amaral..Agua d'Alto..Sao Miguel Dear JElayne , I see that you have an extensive file on your Mattos family . Have you contacted the County Clerk at Colusa. That seems to be the likely place of marriage and birth of son William/Willie. Based on arrival date Manuel stated and birth info on William , marriage narrows down to 1909-1910. The only birth I could find was for Alice and mother's maiden name is given as Gravance , sic. Gravanco/Gravanca . At least you know Manuel was born San Jao . Have you pulled the death record for Marie 1948 ? Curiously there was another Manuel Mattos same age born Caldera in Tulare Co. Dan Jenkins --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mattos Family - JElayne
Hi Robin, You post caught my eye because it mentions that you had family in Butte County California. My Portuguese Great Grandparents as far as I can tell so far started in Butte County. The last names that I have found that they used are Francisco, Franck, Frank and Martin. The cities that they lived in Butte County California. Clear Creek Cherokee Oroville Chico. What family names and cities did they live in in Butte County? Thank you, Kim Rowe Jenkins From: Besotes beso...@succeed.net To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:30:37 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mattos Family - JElayne Hello JElayne - I'm interested in your Mattos family. I too an a Mattos descendent. You may have posted before on the list, but due to my email change, Google couldn't get me linked up for some time and I've been off-list. They finally fixed it and I'm back. My Great-Grandmother - Maria Mattos, daughter of Jose Teixeria Mattos and Isabell Euzebia Mattos (I believe this was his wife?). They had ten children that I have so far. John Teixeira Mattos Jose Mattos Manuel Perieira Mattos Manuel Argusto Mattos Maria Sao Pedro Mattos Rose Mattos Tony Mattos Joaquin Mattos Maria Santa Mattos Frank T. Mattos *Yes two Maneul's and two Maria's. Many resided in Butte County, some settled in West Sacramento (child of Frank T. Mattos), etc., etc. Let me know what you think and if any names might be the same as your records. I do know the family was from Sao Jorge. A cousin who took a trip to Sao Jorge with my Great-Grandparents in the 1950's for three months is in the process of copying Mattos family records to send to me. Hopefully, this will provide me with more names to compare. Thank you, Robin Borba Besotes Researching: Bettencourt, Borba, Barbe, Da Rosa, Jacinto, Rodrigues, Mattos California Towns: Newman, Turlock, Crowslanding, San Jose, San Juan, Tres Penos, Hollister, Watsonville, Pacific Grove, Miliptas From: Daniel Jenkins To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: 2009-10-25 07:00 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Maria Cristina Bento and Ernesto de Amaral..Agua d'Alto..Sao Miguel Dear JElayne , I see that you have an extensive file on your Mattos family . Have you contacted the County Clerk at Colusa. That seems to be the likely place of marriage and birth of son William/Willie. Based on arrival date Manuel stated and birth info on William , marriage narrows down to 1909-1910. The only birth I could find was for Alice and mother's maiden name is given as Gravance , sic. Gravanco/Gravanca . At least you know Manuel was born San Jao . Have you pulled the death record for Marie 1948 ? Curiously there was another Manuel Mattos same age born Caldera in Tulare Co. Dan Jenkins --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Davina/Reis - Bandeiras, Pico
I am looking for DAVINA and REIS families in Bandeiras, Pico. Immanuel Gracier Serpa Davina, born 23 Dec 1823 in Bandeiras, Pico. Left the Azores in abt. 1835 as a stowaway. The captain of the ship was named John ENOS, and Immanuel used the name John ENOS throughout much of his life. Returned home in 1853 and married Anna Isabelle REIS (born 18 Aug 1828), also from Bandeiras, Pico. They returned together to the US (Boston) about 1858, and eventually settled in Hamburg, IA where Immaneul died. Anna left Iowa with son, George Nathan Gracier Serpa Davina and moved to Oklahoma. All of the DAVINA children had Gracier Serpa as their middle names. Could that be a family name? Two REIS cousins came to America with Anna to care for the children, but I don't know their names. I am interested in any others researching these names to help find their parents in the Azores. Thank you - Kim Bierbaum --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Communicating with family for information
I would give just a little family information going back 2 or 3 generations only. If you think that this family is worried that you are after financial gain from the estate tell them that you will type up a paper saying that you are not interested in any financial gain from the estate. That you are only looking for genealogy information and sign and date it and email it or mail it to them. Don't give all of your information to this person. Igave a great deal of genealogy information toa person on 2 of my family lines, and when this person thought that they had all of the information from me they stopped helping me with the family line we were working on together. I held back information that I knew they were looking for becacue I found out this person held back information on the family line I was looking for. This person to this day tries to go thru other people and when the 2 family names are mentioned I know it is the person I was working with trying to go thru the back door so to speak to get information. One gentlemen that emailed me to ask about the 2 same family lines as this previous person kept on asking me questions about. When I asked what information he had I could tell that he just got it off of familysearch.com real fast. Some of the information was incorrect. I asked the gentlemen if he knew this person and he said no. I already had done research on the internet and found this person that was helping me was on the board of directors for the genealogy society in his county at the same time as the man asking for information on the 2 family line names this person was looking for. When I asked this man if he knew this person he said "NO" and stopped emailing me. So be very careful what information you give somebody. Not everybody is as helpful as other people. Kim -- Original message from "Steven McNamara" skmcnam...@comcast.net: -- It is better to give it just in case. My mother sent all of her information to a relative that said she would send something. She never did. However, after her death, her daughter found the information and has been sending photos and all the family info. It took a while, but it finally paid off! Good Luck! Steven--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions (Names in Azores?)
Hi Vivian, Did the probate of Isabel Sousa list the names of any other relatives? Look on familysearch for the microfilm for the state and county for the time period that you need to see if they have the microfilm for the probate. Or you could try the superior court for the state and county that you need the probate for. Kim -- Original message from Vivian Christy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I did have the probate now that I remember for Isabel but it only gave her name as Isabel Sousa. It listed her children that were still living all with the name of Holmes but nothing else. A cousin I had at the time in Modesto went to Hanford and got copies of the papers from there. They sold her home for 450.00 dollars back in 1936 and she owed back taxes and other items which took up all the money. Her son Frank Holmes nor the rest of the family had the money to pay to keep the property. It was a large corner lot with a two story house and basement. I don't have the probate for Primo Sousa. I will have to find out how to get that with out having to go there. I don't get out much because I take care of my Mom with Alzheimers full time. So I only have the internet. I will research the how to on the web site for genealogy like Cheri Mello suggested. Thanks, Vivan--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Kim Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kim Rowe [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions (Names in Azores?)To: Azores@googlegroups.comDate: Monday, October 27, 2008, 5:32 PM Hi Vivian, Try getting the probates for these people. Maybe there birth names will be in the probates. The probate might be a bigwealth of information. I found in my Portuguese Great Grandmothers probate one of the last names that they went by FRANCISCO that I didn't know about until I ordered a copy of her probate. It also listed her children and there relation to there brothers and sisters as 1/2 brothers and 1/2 sisters which verified what I thought in the 1st placethat my Great Grandmother was married 1 time before she married my Great Grandfather. Kim -- Original message from Vivian Christy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi E, I know that is because my grand mother wrote a small bio and in that she said what happened when they first arrived in Boston, Mass when she was about 7 yrs old. She said her father came here a year before they did and had rented a farm in Oso Flaco, San Luis Obispo County. They stayed in Boston at a Hotel until they recieved money to take the train from Boston to Guadalupe, Calif. She did not say the year. I have searched for them in the census but was not able to find them until 1930 but only found the parents not the children. Could not find them all together as a family in the 1900's. I know they moved around from her bio. They had a prominent relative Isable Lewis a cousin that lived in San Jose and they stayed there awhile. Thank you for your help and the census and WWI records. May be we can figure out why they say the father is Frank Holmes and that they were all born in the U.S. My grandmother lied about her age. She also lied on her S.S. record and said she was born in 1900 which is wrong. She put her mothers name on that record as Elizbeth King. That is also not true. I did find the Obits for Primo Souza in 1930 he died and also Isabel Sousa in 1936. That did not help as far as whythe children list the father as Frank Holmes? Thanks for your help and for everyones help. Vivian--- On Fri, 10/24/08, "E" Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "E" Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions (Names in Azores?)To: "azores" Azores@googlegroups.comDate: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:46 PM Vivian, I sent the WWI WWII Draft records to your email address. Here are the census records I have found, I am also sending to list so others on list do not have to duplicate research. 1920 US census Along Sierra Road, Oakdale, Stanislaus County, CA Frank Holmes 38, b. CA, parents b. Portugal, Dairyfarmer wife Kate 32 b. CA parents b. Ireland ch: Franklin 8 b. CA Perl? I. 9/12 b. CA 1930 US Census Sierra Road, Oakdale, Stanislaus County, CA Frank P. Holmes 47, married 23 years, b. CA parents b. Portugal son Franklyn(sp) 17, CA Elizabeth 11 CA I notice you have a family tree on Ancestry which says Frank was b. in Sao Jorge. Interesting the WWI Draft Registration says he was born in San Luis Obispo "E" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions (Names in Azores?)
Hi Vivian, Try getting the probates for these people. Maybe there birth names will be in the probates. The probate might be a bigwealth of information. I found in my Portuguese Great Grandmothers probate one of the last names that they went by FRANCISCO that I didn't know about until I ordered a copy of her probate. It also listed her children and there relation to there brothers and sisters as 1/2 brothers and 1/2 sisters which verified what I thought in the 1st placethat my Great Grandmother was married 1 time before she married my Great Grandfather. Kim -- Original message from Vivian Christy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hi E, I know that is because my grand mother wrote a small bio and in that she said what happened when they first arrived in Boston, Mass when she was about 7 yrs old. She said her father came here a year before they did and had rented a farm in Oso Flaco, San Luis Obispo County. They stayed in Boston at a Hotel until they recieved money to take the train from Boston to Guadalupe, Calif. She did not say the year. I have searched for them in the census but was not able to find them until 1930 but only found the parents not the children. Could not find them all together as a family in the 1900's. I know they moved around from her bio. They had a prominent relative Isable Lewis a cousin that lived in San Jose and they stayed there awhile. Thank you for your help and the census and WWI records. May be we can figure out why they say the father is Frank Holmes and that they were all born in the U.S. My grandmother lied about her age. She also lied on her S.S. record and said she was born in 1900 which is wrong. She put her mothers name on that record as Elizbeth King. That is also not true. I did find the Obits for Primo Souza in 1930 he died and also Isabel Sousa in 1936. That did not help as far as whythe children list the father as Frank Holmes? Thanks for your help and for everyones help. Vivian--- On Fri, 10/24/08, "E" Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: "E" Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Questions (Names in Azores?)To: "azores" Azores@googlegroups.comDate: Friday, October 24, 2008, 10:46 PM Vivian, I sent the WWI WWII Draft records to your email address. Here are the census records I have found, I am also sending to list so others on list do not have to duplicate research. 1920 US census Along Sierra Road, Oakdale, Stanislaus County, CA Frank Holmes 38, b. CA, parents b. Portugal, Dairyfarmer wife Kate 32 b. CA parents b. Ireland ch: Franklin 8 b. CA Perl? I. 9/12 b. CA 1930 US Census Sierra Road, Oakdale, Stanislaus County, CA Frank P. Holmes 47, married 23 years, b. CA parents b. Portugal son Franklyn(sp) 17, CA Elizabeth 11 CA I notice you have a family tree on Ancestry which says Frank was b. in Sao Jorge. Interesting the WWI Draft Registration says he was born in San Luis Obispo "E" --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ALAMEDA COUNTY, CA BIRTH RECORDS 1873 To 1901 LOOKUP OFFER!
Hi Carol, You said that you went to the FHC this weekto look at microfilms forAlameda County in California. Did you do this look up that you requested from me so I don't don'tspend the time to look for it a2nd time? Please let me know. Kim -- Original message from Carol Price [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I could use a look-up on my great-grandfather Charles Rose said at one time to be born in Alameda County (Berkeley?) August 5, 1889 (or 1890). His mother's maiden name was Elizabeth Porter (she was born in Sierra County) but she may have gone by Lizzie or Eliza and may have been married by then to Ruiz. His father, her first marriage by Sierra county judge, is Manuel D Rosa in 1882 (the San Francisco paper notice; Emmanuel De Rosa) Another spelling I've also seen is Roza. Thanks. Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:03:07 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ALAMEDA COUNTY, CA BIRTH RECORDS 1873 To 1901 LOOKUP OFFER! Hello Everybody, I just received the microfilm # 1376376 from the family history center in at my library and will be looking at it within the next week or so. If anybody needs any lookups pleaselet me know the information you are looking for on births and I will look for it when I am looking for my stuff. Microfilm # 1376376 Alameda County, California Main Author: Alameda County California Recorder Record Of Births 1873-1889 Record Of Births 1889-1895 Record Of Births 1895-1901 Have a good night. Kim Rowe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ALAMEDA COUNTY, CA BIRTH RECORDS 1873 To 1901 LOOKUP OFFER!
Hi Marge, Do you have the birth month for the 1st and 2nd children? This will help me save time searching for them. Hopefully it will be on the 1900 census. Kim -- Original message from marge [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- On Oct 9, 6:03pm, "Kim Rowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hello Everybody, I just received the microfilm # 1376376 from the family history center in at my library and will be looking at it within the next week or so. If anybody needs any lookups please let me know the information you are looking for on births and I will look for it when I am looking for my stuff. Hello Kim, Would greatly appreciate a lookup on the following GRACE/GARCIA family if you have the time. Theses are the children of Joao Jose GARCIA- John Joseph GRACE and wife Maria Rosa AMARO, all b. in Alameda county dates are from various censuses Margaret GRACE b. 1893 Oakland ? John Joseph GRACE b. 1885 Pleasanton Joseph GRACE b.July 1888 or 1886? East Oakland Anthony GRACE b. May 1891 Alameda county James GRACE b.April 1893 Oakland Have been completely unsuccessful finding any of their baptisms. Thanks for the very kind offer Marge Perry --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: film look up
Hi Lisa, This is the information that I posted on the microfilm. I just received the microfilm # 1376376 from the family history center in at my library and will be looking at it within the next week or so. If anybody needs any lookups pleaselet me know the information you are looking for on births and I will look for it when I am looking for my stuff. Microfilm # 1376376 Alameda County, California Main Author: Alameda County California Recorder Record Of Births 1873-1889 Record Of Births 1889-1895 Record Of Births 1895-1901 Kim -- Original message from lisa lema [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- Hello Kim, I would be interested in the dates on the film and location it covers if you do not mind. I am trying to find my grandmother, DOROTHY BERNADETTE REPOSA birth( november 1918, Alameda) baptismal or any record of whom her mother was, and what her mother's maiden name was. Thank you.On Oct 9, 6:03pm, "Kim Rowe" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Everybody, I just received the microfilm # 1376376 from the family history center in at my library and will be looking at it within the next week or so. If anybody needs any lookups please let me know the information you are looking for on births and I will look for it when I am looking for my stuff. Lisa L--~--~-~--~~~---~--~~To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: ALAMEDA COUNTY, CA BIRTH RECORDS 1873 To 1901 LOOKUP OFFER!
Hi Carol, I will take this with me and if I find it I will print it out, bring it home, scan it and email it to you. Kim -- Original message from Carol Price [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- I could use a look-up on my great-grandfather Charles Rose said at one time to be born in Alameda County (Berkeley?) August 5, 1889 (or 1890). His mother's maiden name was Elizabeth Porter (she was born in Sierra County) but she may have gone by Lizzie or Eliza and may have been married by then to Ruiz. His father, her first marriage by Sierra county judge, is Manuel D Rosa in 1882 (the San Francisco paper notice; Emmanuel De Rosa) Another spelling I've also seen is Roza. Thanks. Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:03:07 -0500From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: azores@googlegroups.comSubject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ALAMEDA COUNTY, CA BIRTH RECORDS 1873 To 1901 LOOKUP OFFER! Hello Everybody, I just received the microfilm # 1376376 from the family history center in at my library and will be looking at it within the next week or so. If anybody needs any lookups pleaselet me know the information you are looking for on births and I will look for it when I am looking for my stuff. Microfilm # 1376376 Alameda County, California Main Author: Alameda County California Recorder Record Of Births 1873-1889 Record Of Births 1889-1895 Record Of Births 1895-1901 Have a good night. Kim Rowe --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
