Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-23 Thread Shirley Allegre
This is what it looks like to me:

10 May 1631
Manoel Gonsalves
(Miguel Gonsalves X Anna Francisca)
SPOUSE
Barbara Rois/Rodrigues
(Gaspar _, dec. X Maria Andre?)

Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Cesar Pimentel 
  To: Abridged recipients ; Cesar Pimentel 
  Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:35 PM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!


  Hello friends,




  As I preached here, I'm looking for my ancestor Manoel da Costa Carreiro.




  Manoel was the son of Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte.




  As I can not find the baptismal certificate of Manoel da Costa Carreiro , I 
decided to see if there was the marriage certificate of his parents, to get a 
more precise idea of both frequesia that should do the search, here they lived 
in Maia, but at the time of his birth, he had not Moreover church.




  So I was the star of the Matriz da Estrela, because it is in Ribeira Grande 
and has older records , and found a marriage between a Manuel and Barbara, who 
are the names that I seek , but I can not really read the last names to see if 
they are the Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte I seek.




  The link with the marriage registration is as follows




  
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P36.html




  The record is the last on the right. Does anyone could help me figure out the 
last names of Manuel and Barbara who married and contained in that record?




  Tank You a Lot




  Cesar Pimentel





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[AZORES-Genealogy] A help, in RR´s Book

2016-06-21 Thread Cesar Pimentel
Hello friends,


Me again , again calling for help for those who have or can access to Rodrigo 
Rodrigues book.


This time I ask for help to anyone who can help me on the couple Manoel da 
Costa and Barbara da Ponte, who lived in Maia.


Manoel died in Maia on 02/10/1698.


 They had at least one son, Manuel Carreiro da Costa , who was married to 
Izabel da Costa.


Thank you very much any help.


Cesar Pimentel

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-20 Thread Cesar Pimentel
Cheri,


Already resigned to it.


I sent an email to the administrators of files asking about eventual 
disappearance of the Mayan books, or alternatively , if there are some others 
who have not yet been displayed and after a restoration process.


I imagine that , to follow this line in my genealogy , only I discovered some 
ancient Mayan work of genealogists.


Thank you very much.


Cesar Rodrigues Pimentel

cesarpimentel@hotmail.com

Looking at Barbara da Ponte's death record in Maia , where she lived , and was 
married to Manoel da Costa.

Death occurred approximately in 1700.



De: azores@googlegroups.com  em nome de Cheri Mello 

Enviado: sábado, 18 de junho de 2016 13:02
Para: Azores Genealogy
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

Cesar,

It doesn't exist. Baptisms begin in 1665. Marriages begin in 1674, and deaths 
in 1673. It appears that there could have been other books since the years of 
1665 and 1674-1673 are 9 years apart. Wikipedia (in English) gives more history 
than the Portuguese version of Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/SMG_RBGMaia.JPG/235px-SMG_RBGMaia.JPG]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)>

Maia (Ribeira Grande) - Wikipedia, the free 
encyclopedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)>
en.wikipedia.org
Maia is a civil parish in the municipality of Ribeira Grande in the Portuguese 
archipelago of the Azores. The population in 2011 was 1,900, in an area of 
21.97 km² ...




It sounds as if the church goes back to the late 1400s. Almost 150 years before 
the records.

This description from Guido de Monterey's "Santa Maria e Sao Miguel: As Duas 
Ilhas do Oriente" (page 191) seems to be similar to what Wikipedia says:
Anterior a 1522. Sofreu obras no decurso dos séculos XVII e XVIII. Todavia, a 
maior e mais flagrante reconstrução deu-se no final do século XVIII. 
Apresentou-se pronta no ano de 1812. Templo de consideráveis dimensões, corpo 
principal de tres naves. Capela-mor plena de graciosidade. Altar-mor extasiante 
pela valia da sua talha, ora dourada, ora pintada a azul. Igreja ataviada e 
augusta, centro do total arrebatamento.

I did not find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro married to Isabel da Costa in any 
volume of Rodrigo Rodrigues either.  I'm guess the Maia books were missing 
during Rodrigo Rodrigues' lifetime too.

Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-19 Thread Cesar Pimentel
JR,


Tanks a lot.


Cesar



De: azores@googlegroups.com  em nome de JR 

Enviado: sábado, 18 de junho de 2016 18:28
Para: Azores Genealogy
Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

One thing to remember for pre-1800 obito records, is that they are often not 
accurate and can be off by more than 10 years. The church did not consider the 
age at death that important and so the priests wrote, "mais ou menos." That is, 
more or less.

In my experience, the correct  age at death is seldom correct for the pre-1800 
records. However, it still very useful to determine an approximate baptismal 
date.

JR


On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:02:45 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
Cesar,

It doesn't exist. Baptisms begin in 1665. Marriages begin in 1674, and deaths 
in 1673. It appears that there could have been other books since the years of 
1665 and 1674-1673 are 9 years apart. Wikipedia (in English) gives more history 
than the Portuguese version of Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)

[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9e/SMG_RBGMaia.JPG/235px-SMG_RBGMaia.JPG]<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)>

Maia (Ribeira Grande) - Wikipedia, the free 
encyclopedia<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)>
en.wikipedia.org
Maia is a civil parish in the municipality of Ribeira Grande in the Portuguese 
archipelago of the Azores. The population in 2011 was 1,900, in an area of 
21.97 km² ...




It sounds as if the church goes back to the late 1400s. Almost 150 years before 
the records.

This description from Guido de Monterey's "Santa Maria e Sao Miguel: As Duas 
Ilhas do Oriente" (page 191) seems to be similar to what Wikipedia says:
Anterior a 1522. Sofreu obras no decurso dos séculos XVII e XVIII. Todavia, a 
maior e mais flagrante reconstrução deu-se no final do século XVIII. 
Apresentou-se pronta no ano de 1812. Templo de consideráveis dimensões, corpo 
principal de tres naves. Capela-mor plena de graciosidade. Altar-mor extasiante 
pela valia da sua talha, ora dourada, ora pintada a azul. Igreja ataviada e 
augusta, centro do total arrebatamento.

I did not find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro married to Isabel da Costa in any 
volume of Rodrigo Rodrigues either.  I'm guess the Maia books were missing 
during Rodrigo Rodrigues' lifetime too.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
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Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-18 Thread JR
One thing to remember for pre-1800 obito records, is that they are often 
not accurate and can be off by more than 10 years. The church did not 
consider the age at death that important and so the priests wrote, "mais ou 
menos." That is, more or less.

In my experience, the correct  age at death is seldom correct for the 
pre-1800 records. However, it still very useful to determine an approximate 
baptismal date.

JR


On Saturday, June 18, 2016 at 11:02:45 AM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Cesar,
>
> It doesn't exist. Baptisms begin in 1665. Marriages begin in 1674, and 
> deaths in 1673. It appears that there could have been other books since the 
> years of 1665 and 1674-1673 are 9 years apart. Wikipedia (in English) gives 
> more history than the Portuguese version of Wikipedia: 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)
>
> It sounds as if the church goes back to the late 1400s. Almost 150 years 
> before the records. 
>
> This description from Guido de Monterey's "Santa Maria e Sao Miguel: As 
> Duas Ilhas do Oriente" (page 191) seems to be similar to what Wikipedia 
> says:
>
> Anterior a 1522. Sofreu obras no decurso dos séculos XVII e XVIII. 
> Todavia, a maior e mais flagrante reconstrução deu-se no final do século 
> XVIII. Apresentou-se pronta no ano de 1812. Templo de consideráveis 
> dimensões, corpo principal de tres naves. Capela-mor plena de graciosidade. 
> Altar-mor extasiante pela valia da sua talha, ora dourada, ora pintada a 
> azul. Igreja ataviada e augusta, centro do total arrebatamento.
>
>
> I did not find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro married to Isabel da Costa 
> in any volume of Rodrigo Rodrigues either.  I'm guess the Maia books were 
> missing during Rodrigo Rodrigues' lifetime too.
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-18 Thread Cheri Mello
Cesar,

It doesn't exist. Baptisms begin in 1665. Marriages begin in 1674, and
deaths in 1673. It appears that there could have been other books since the
years of 1665 and 1674-1673 are 9 years apart. Wikipedia (in English) gives
more history than the Portuguese version of Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maia_(Ribeira_Grande)

It sounds as if the church goes back to the late 1400s. Almost 150 years
before the records.

This description from Guido de Monterey's "Santa Maria e Sao Miguel: As
Duas Ilhas do Oriente" (page 191) seems to be similar to what Wikipedia
says:

Anterior a 1522. Sofreu obras no decurso dos séculos XVII e XVIII. Todavia,
a maior e mais flagrante reconstrução deu-se no final do século XVIII.
Apresentou-se pronta no ano de 1812. Templo de consideráveis dimensões,
corpo principal de tres naves. Capela-mor plena de graciosidade. Altar-mor
extasiante pela valia da sua talha, ora dourada, ora pintada a azul. Igreja
ataviada e augusta, centro do total arrebatamento.


I did not find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro married to Isabel da Costa in
any volume of Rodrigo Rodrigues either.  I'm guess the Maia books were
missing during Rodrigo Rodrigues' lifetime too.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-18 Thread Cesar Pimentel
Hello Elizeu,

Yes, this marriage certificate is really it.

I had, what I seek about my Manoel is a certificate of baptism.

In his death certificate , it seems, it is written that he died at age 79, that 
in 02/23/1732 , then he was born in 1653, approximately.

They lived in Maya and Maya birth records do not reach that time , at least 
there are no books in the church for this time , so I'm trying to Ribeira Seca 
, and Matriz da Estrela to see if meeting .

Tanks a lot

Cesar Pimentel




De: azores@googlegroups.com  em nome de Eliseu Pacheco 
da Silva 
Enviado: sábado, 18 de junho de 2016 07:07
Para: azores@googlegroups.com
Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!


Hi!

Please try to read the marriage  of 29.5.1679 at Maia, Ribeira Grande. I think 
you will find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro...

Eliseu





De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cesar 
Pimentel
Enviada: 17 de junho de 2016 02:35
Para: Abridged recipients ; Cesar Pimentel 

Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!



Hello friends,



As I preached here, I'm looking for my ancestor Manoel da Costa Carreiro.



Manoel was the son of Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte.



As I can not find the baptismal certificate of Manoel da Costa Carreiro , I 
decided to see if there was the marriage certificate of his parents, to get a 
more precise idea of both frequesia that should do the search, here they lived 
in Maia, but at the time of his birth, he had not Moreover church.



So I was the star of the Matriz da Estrela, because it is in Ribeira Grande and 
has older records , and found a marriage between a Manuel and Barbara, who are 
the names that I seek , but I can not really read the last names to see if they 
are the Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte I seek.



The link with the marriage registration is as follows



http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P36.html



The record is the last on the right. Does anyone could help me figure out the 
last names of Manuel and Barbara who married and contained in that record?



Tank You a Lot



Cesar Pimentel



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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-18 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Hi!

Please try to read the marriage  of 29.5.1679 at Maia, Ribeira Grande. I think 
you will find your Manuel da Costa Carreiro…

Eliseu

 

 

De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de Cesar 
Pimentel
Enviada: 17 de junho de 2016 02:35
Para: Abridged recipients ; Cesar Pimentel 

Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

 

Hello friends,

 

As I preached here, I'm looking for my ancestor Manoel da Costa Carreiro.

 

Manoel was the son of Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte.

 

As I can not find the baptismal certificate of Manoel da Costa Carreiro , I 
decided to see if there was the marriage certificate of his parents, to get a 
more precise idea of both frequesia that should do the search, here they lived 
in Maia, but at the time of his birth, he had not Moreover church.

 

So I was the star of the Matriz da Estrela, because it is in Ribeira Grande and 
has older records , and found a marriage between a Manuel and Barbara, who are 
the names that I seek , but I can not really read the last names to see if they 
are the Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte I seek.

 

The link with the marriage registration is as follows

 

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P36.html

 

The record is the last on the right. Does anyone could help me figure out the 
last names of Manuel and Barbara who married and contained in that record?

 

Tank You a Lot

 

Cesar Pimentel

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-17 Thread Cheri Mello
Cesar,
Groom: Manuel Goncalves (abbreviated as Glz)
Bride: Barbara Rodrigues (?) (abbreviation looks like "roiz" to me).

Either way, it is not your couple.
I thought someone posted that the couple you seek are what we call the end
of the line ancestors. I don't know how it is said in Portuguese. End of
the line ancestors means that there are no more records to use. We have to
end the line there. And move on to another line to trace.

Or I'm remembering someone else with an end of the line ancestor. I thought
it was discussed previously.
Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-17 Thread Margaret Vicente
Manuel Glz (Goncalves) and Barbara Roiz (Rodrigues )



On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Cesar Pimentel <
cesarpimentel@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hello friends,
>
>
> As I preached here, I'm looking for my ancestor Manoel da Costa Carreiro.
>
>
> Manoel was the son of Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte.
>
>
> As I can not find the baptismal certificate of Manoel da Costa Carreiro ,
> I decided to see if there was the marriage certificate of his parents, to
> get a more precise idea of both frequesia that should do the search, here
> they lived in Maia, but at the time of his birth, he had not Moreover
> church.
>
>
> So I was the star of the Matriz da Estrela, because it is in Ribeira
> Grande and has older records , and found a marriage between a Manuel and
> Barbara, who are the names that I seek , but I can not really read the last
> names to see if they are the Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte I seek.
>
>
> The link with the marriage registration is as follows
>
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P36.html
>
>
> The record is the last on the right. Does anyone could help me figure out
> the last names of Manuel and Barbara who married and contained in that
> record?
>
>
> Tank You a Lot
>
>
> Cesar Pimentel
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] A help!

2016-06-17 Thread Cesar Pimentel
Hello friends,


As I preached here, I'm looking for my ancestor Manoel da Costa Carreiro.


Manoel was the son of Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte.


As I can not find the baptismal certificate of Manoel da Costa Carreiro , I 
decided to see if there was the marriage certificate of his parents, to get a 
more precise idea of both frequesia that should do the search, here they lived 
in Maia, but at the time of his birth, he had not Moreover church.


So I was the star of the Matriz da Estrela, because it is in Ribeira Grande and 
has older records , and found a marriage between a Manuel and Barbara, who are 
the names that I seek , but I can not really read the last names to see if they 
are the Manoel da Costa and Barbara da Ponte I seek.


The link with the marriage registration is as follows


http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1627-1654_item1/P36.html


The record is the last on the right. Does anyone could help me figure out the 
last names of Manuel and Barbara who married and contained in that record?


Tank You a Lot


Cesar Pimentel

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