Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pacheco Marques: was there an infant mortality on the Abergeldie?
Michael Giffin, You could check at the end of the arrival records for Hawaii. At the end of that particular book you may find births and deaths reported (the American arrival records report births and deaths - I'm not sure what the Kingdom of Hawaii did in 1883). You could call to HI and ask someone to take a picture of that particular page (including the headings) and text or email it to you. We don't know what you looked at and we're just guessing. On Dec 5, 2018 9:46 PM, "JR" wrote: > It's identical to your findings Cheri. No Anna listed. They were both more > than 30 years old when they married in 1867. > > from Ponta Delgada passport list, 1875-1883, Jan 22- 1883, > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_ > digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875- > 1883_item1/P123.html > > passengers: > 372, Francisco Pacheco Marques, 49 yrs old, campaneo from Porto Formoso, > married to 373 > 373, Josefa Cabral, 47 yrs old, domestic; their children are: > 374, Maria, 15 yrs old > 375, Margarida, 12, yrs old > 376, Manuel, 9, yrs old > 377, Maria, 7, yrs old > > > On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:46:09 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> From Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, >> page 278: >> >> #100, Marques, Francisco Pacheco, Abergeldie, 1883 >> with Josepha Cabral, 47, wife >> Children: Maria 15, Margarida 123 (sic), Manuel 9, Maria 7 >> >> From Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to >> Sandwich Isles 1879-1883, by Bob De Mello, page 223: >> Marques, Francisco Pacheco, 49 >> Father: Antonio Pacheco Marques >> Mother: Francisca Pacheco >> from Porto Formoso >> with Wife Josefa Cabral, 47 >> Father: Manuel Cabral >> Mother: Maria Perpetua >> from Porto Formoso >> Children: Maria 15, Margarida 12, Manual (sic) 9, Maria 7 (All born Porto >> Formoso) >> #372 Abergeldie >> >> I put my notes in Bob De Mello's book. I crossed off the dates and wrote >> that the Abergeldie left the Azores on Mar. 2, 1883 (per Aaron Pereira's >> research) and arrived in Hawaii on May 5, 1883 (per Melody Lassalle's >> research) or the 10th (as was posted on Lusaweb). >> >> Who knows that the numbers mean. Start looking on March 2nd going >> backwards in the Azorean passaportes for Ponta Delgada: >> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/ >> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P145.html >> >> You may find it easier to look at the right page for a group from R.G. >> (Ribeira Grande) and Porto Formoso (P.F.). >> >> No Anna left the Azores with this family. Could 47 year old Josepha >> Cabral given birth? She's getting up there in her child bearing years. Wish >> you would have taken a picture of that page with your cell phone camera. >> >> You're going to have to figure out if your guy is Antonio Pacheco Marques >> or Francisco Pacheco Marques. >> >> Good luck, >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:12 PM Michael Giffin >> wrote: >> >>> >>> On a recent trip to Hilo I went to the Plantation Museum. The nice >>> people there gave me an Azorean Passport Index, in Portuguese, which they >>> said someone had donated to them. I checked our family entry for the >>> Abergeldie, May 1883, under Antonio Pacheco [Marques], wife Josepha Cabral, >>> and 4 children (Maria 1, Margarida, Manuel, and Maria 2). All this >>> confirmed what I already knew (from the index cards at the State Archives). >>> However, in this index there appeared to be another child, an infant named >>> Anna, who seemed to have died in infancy. This appears to be new >>> information, not on other records. As I don't read Portuguese, can anyone >>> clarify this for me? I wrote the information out on a scrape of paper, >>> which I've lost, otherwise I could supply a page reference number. Any >>> assistance gratefully received. PS the entry is under Pacheco although the >>> name is Pacheco Marques. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pacheco Marques: was there an infant mortality on the Abergeldie?
It's identical to your findings Cheri. No Anna listed. They were both more than 30 years old when they married in 1867. from Ponta Delgada passport list, 1875-1883, Jan 22- 1883, http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P123.html passengers: 372, Francisco Pacheco Marques, 49 yrs old, campaneo from Porto Formoso, married to 373 373, Josefa Cabral, 47 yrs old, domestic; their children are: 374, Maria, 15 yrs old 375, Margarida, 12, yrs old 376, Manuel, 9, yrs old 377, Maria, 7, yrs old On Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:46:09 PM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: > > From Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, > page 278: > > #100, Marques, Francisco Pacheco, Abergeldie, 1883 > with Josepha Cabral, 47, wife > Children: Maria 15, Margarida 123 (sic), Manuel 9, Maria 7 > > From Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich > Isles 1879-1883, by Bob De Mello, page 223: > Marques, Francisco Pacheco, 49 > Father: Antonio Pacheco Marques > Mother: Francisca Pacheco > from Porto Formoso > with Wife Josefa Cabral, 47 > Father: Manuel Cabral > Mother: Maria Perpetua > from Porto Formoso > Children: Maria 15, Margarida 12, Manual (sic) 9, Maria 7 (All born Porto > Formoso) > #372 Abergeldie > > I put my notes in Bob De Mello's book. I crossed off the dates and wrote > that the Abergeldie left the Azores on Mar. 2, 1883 (per Aaron Pereira's > research) and arrived in Hawaii on May 5, 1883 (per Melody Lassalle's > research) or the 10th (as was posted on Lusaweb). > > Who knows that the numbers mean. Start looking on March 2nd going > backwards in the Azorean passaportes for Ponta Delgada: > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P145.html > > You may find it easier to look at the right page for a group from R.G. > (Ribeira Grande) and Porto Formoso (P.F.). > > No Anna left the Azores with this family. Could 47 year old Josepha Cabral > given birth? She's getting up there in her child bearing years. Wish you > would have taken a picture of that page with your cell phone camera. > > You're going to have to figure out if your guy is Antonio Pacheco Marques > or Francisco Pacheco Marques. > > Good luck, > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:12 PM Michael Giffin > wrote: > >> >> On a recent trip to Hilo I went to the Plantation Museum. The nice people >> there gave me an Azorean Passport Index, in Portuguese, which they said >> someone had donated to them. I checked our family entry for the Abergeldie, >> May 1883, under Antonio Pacheco [Marques], wife Josepha Cabral, and 4 >> children (Maria 1, Margarida, Manuel, and Maria 2). All this confirmed what >> I already knew (from the index cards at the State Archives). However, in >> this index there appeared to be another child, an infant named Anna, who >> seemed to have died in infancy. This appears to be new information, not on >> other records. As I don't read Portuguese, can anyone clarify this for me? >> I wrote the information out on a scrape of paper, which I've lost, >> otherwise I could supply a page reference number. Any assistance gratefully >> received. PS the entry is under Pacheco although the name is Pacheco >> Marques. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com . >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pacheco Marques: was there an infant mortality on the Abergeldie?
>From Portuguese Immigrants to Hawaii, compiled by Edgar C. Knowlton, Jr, page 278: #100, Marques, Francisco Pacheco, Abergeldie, 1883 with Josepha Cabral, 47, wife Children: Maria 15, Margarida 123 (sic), Manuel 9, Maria 7 >From Passport Registrations: Portuguese Immigrants from Azores to Sandwich Isles 1879-1883, by Bob De Mello, page 223: Marques, Francisco Pacheco, 49 Father: Antonio Pacheco Marques Mother: Francisca Pacheco from Porto Formoso with Wife Josefa Cabral, 47 Father: Manuel Cabral Mother: Maria Perpetua from Porto Formoso Children: Maria 15, Margarida 12, Manual (sic) 9, Maria 7 (All born Porto Formoso) #372 Abergeldie I put my notes in Bob De Mello's book. I crossed off the dates and wrote that the Abergeldie left the Azores on Mar. 2, 1883 (per Aaron Pereira's research) and arrived in Hawaii on May 5, 1883 (per Melody Lassalle's research) or the 10th (as was posted on Lusaweb). Who knows that the numbers mean. Start looking on March 2nd going backwards in the Azorean passaportes for Ponta Delgada: http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P145.html You may find it easier to look at the right page for a group from R.G. (Ribeira Grande) and Porto Formoso (P.F.). No Anna left the Azores with this family. Could 47 year old Josepha Cabral given birth? She's getting up there in her child bearing years. Wish you would have taken a picture of that page with your cell phone camera. You're going to have to figure out if your guy is Antonio Pacheco Marques or Francisco Pacheco Marques. Good luck, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 4:12 PM Michael Giffin wrote: > > On a recent trip to Hilo I went to the Plantation Museum. The nice people > there gave me an Azorean Passport Index, in Portuguese, which they said > someone had donated to them. I checked our family entry for the Abergeldie, > May 1883, under Antonio Pacheco [Marques], wife Josepha Cabral, and 4 > children (Maria 1, Margarida, Manuel, and Maria 2). All this confirmed what > I already knew (from the index cards at the State Archives). However, in > this index there appeared to be another child, an infant named Anna, who > seemed to have died in infancy. This appears to be new information, not on > other records. As I don't read Portuguese, can anyone clarify this for me? > I wrote the information out on a scrape of paper, which I've lost, > otherwise I could supply a page reference number. Any assistance gratefully > received. PS the entry is under Pacheco although the name is Pacheco > Marques. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Pacheco Marques: was there an infant mortality on the Abergeldie?
On a recent trip to Hilo I went to the Plantation Museum. The nice people there gave me an Azorean Passport Index, in Portuguese, which they said someone had donated to them. I checked our family entry for the Abergeldie, May 1883, under Antonio Pacheco [Marques], wife Josepha Cabral, and 4 children (Maria 1, Margarida, Manuel, and Maria 2). All this confirmed what I already knew (from the index cards at the State Archives). However, in this index there appeared to be another child, an infant named Anna, who seemed to have died in infancy. This appears to be new information, not on other records. As I don't read Portuguese, can anyone clarify this for me? I wrote the information out on a scrape of paper, which I've lost, otherwise I could supply a page reference number. Any assistance gratefully received. PS the entry is under Pacheco although the name is Pacheco Marques. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
