[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL Brio
Donna, Thank you for the info...I will have to check it out and see if that is her. Yes...they do still celebrate Holy Ghost Festival there in Hawkinsville...every year it is smaller and smaller as the old timers pass on. My dad use to be a big part of it until he passed in 1986. Marek From: Donna Olovson don...@mac.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 10:32:08 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL Brio Hi Marek, The Siskiyou County Library Home page has a link to Obituary index. There is an obit in the Siskiyou News 6/10/1915 for Amelia Francis. Perhaps you could contact them, or request a copy from SKS on Siskiyou Message Board Siskiyou County Library; 719 4th St. Yreka, California 96097 (530) 841-4175 -- siskiyoulibr...@snowcrest.net. Siskiyou County has many good genealogical resources, and the county office staff is very helpful. The Siskiyou Pioneer and Yearbook, a publication of the Siskiyou County Historical Society has a Hawkinsville Edition, 2004. In it a paragraph describes the 1905 Great Feast of the Holy Ghost. A Flower Girl in the procession is an Olivia Francis. In 1919, Frank Francis is on the committee of the I.D.E.S. sponsored celebration. I understand the Penecost celebration continues today in Hawkinsville. Good luck with your search. Donna O My great great grandfather was Joseph Francis Brio, more likely, Jose Francisco, last name could be spelled Brejo. I have also seen his last name as Braio. He was born on Flores, Azore Islands 1835. Came to America in 1854, was granted citizenship papers in Boston, Mass on April 24, 1854. He married a woman named Amelia, nothing else known about her. I have heard her maiden name could have been Brio, and Joseph's surname could have been Francis. They ended-up in Yreka, Siskiyou County CA. Both are buried at St. Joseph Catholic Cemetery in Yreka, CA. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also...I was reading the census from Yreka, Siskiyou county, CA. And it states someone was born in Ireland...help appreciated!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL Brio
Hi Marek, The Siskiyou County Library Home page has a link to Obituary index. There is an obit in the Siskiyou News 6/10/1915 for Amelia Francis. Perhaps you could contact them, or request a copy from SKS on Siskiyou Message Board Siskiyou County Library; 719 4th St. Yreka, California 96097 (530) 841-4175 -- siskiyoulibr...@snowcrest.net. Siskiyou County has many good genealogical resources, and the county office staff is very helpful. The Siskiyou Pioneer and Yearbook, a publication of the Siskiyou County Historical Society has a Hawkinsville Edition, 2004. In it a paragraph describes the 1905 Great Feast of the Holy Ghost. A Flower Girl in the procession is an Olivia Francis. In 1919, Frank Francis is on the committee of the I.D.E.S. sponsored celebration. I understand the Penecost celebration continues today in Hawkinsville. Good luck with your search. Donna O My great great grandfather was Joseph Francis Brio, more likely, Jose Francisco, last name could be spelled Brejo. I have also seen his last name as Braio. He was born on Flores, Azore Islands 1835. Came to America in 1854, was granted citizenship papers in Boston, Mass on April 24, 1854. He married a woman named Amelia, nothing else known about her. I have heard her maiden name could have been Brio, and Joseph's surname could have been Francis. They ended-up in Yreka, Siskiyou County CA. Both are buried at St. Joseph Catholic Cemetery in Yreka, CA. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also...I was reading the census from Yreka, Siskiyou county, CA. And it states someone was born in Ireland...help appreciated!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
Thank you for correcting me. I thought it would be the same. I also have Melo on my line, who are yours and where are they from?? Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil Pesquisando: Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, Sodre, Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der Burggerie --- Em sex, 28/8/09, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL... Para: azores@googlegroups.com Data: Sexta-feira, 28 de Agosto de 2009, 12:17 Carlos, Not quite. End of line is when you run out of the records. You take the line back probably to about the Middle Ages (1400s or 1500s, unless you hit a royal line). Brick wall seems like an end of line, but the person is probably stuck in the 1800s still. For the Portuguese researcher, it may be because it's the immigrant and the researcher doesn't know where to look next, or has looked and hasn't found the freguesia written on that document. They get the records that state Azores or Western Islands. They haven't given up, they just haven't found the right document. In American research, ancestors get labeled brick walls because there are many courthouses that burned during the American Civil War (I don't know how many burned courthouses are in Canada). We don't think of these as end of line, but as a brick wall, because we think there has to be a better way around these records. I had one American ancestor, born 1814 in a burned out county. That means that there was a fire at one time that destroyed all or most of the records that are kept in the American courthouse back then. I thought I knew who his parents were, but since the county burned, I couldn't look up the will that his father wrote. I knew he wasn't the end of the line, but I was blocked (brick wall) from doing any further research. I eventually used DNA to figure out that line and was able to take it to the 1600s. In my Portuguese research, I have Manuel Furtado Marianna da Trindade. Both from Vila Franca (he's Sao Miguel Arcanjo and she's Sao Pedro). They should have married in the 1770s. We've searched about 5 freguesias west and 5 freguesias east and can't find their marriage. The Sao Pedro church has about 5 missing pages in the 1770s. We think that is where their marriage is. We don't think this is the end of the line because sooner or later we'll either find them as godparents or witnesses to something or I'll have to use DNA to figure it out. Does that explain the little bit of difference between the two? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
Oh Thank you, this is what we call an End of Line that has the same explanation Thank you very much Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil Pesquisando: Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, Sodre, Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der Burggerie --- Em qui, 27/8/09, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com escreveu: De: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL... Para: Azores Genealogy azores@googlegroups.com Data: Quinta-feira, 27 de Agosto de 2009, 23:07 Brick wall is a term that genealogists use to explain an ancestor that they cannot get past. They are stuck there. They keep trying to research and research, but it feels like they have run into a brick wall. The dictionary says this: an immovable block or obstruction the plan ran into a brick wall Cheri Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
I am starting to get tempted to participate in this DNA thing. With the help of this group, my paternal line back has been traced back a few hundred years in Sao Miguel, along the highway from Moisteros to Ferreria, centering on Bretanha(da Costa Vasconcellos Camelo Rodrigues Oliveira etc) Where can I find out more on this DNA stuff? On Aug 28, 9:17 am, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Carlos, Not quite. End of line is when you run out of the records. You take the line back probably to about the Middle Ages (1400s or 1500s, unless you hit a royal line). Brick wall seems like an end of line, but the person is probably stuck in the 1800s still. For the Portuguese researcher, it may be because it's the immigrant and the researcher doesn't know where to look next, or has looked and hasn't found the freguesia written on that document. They get the records that state Azores or Western Islands. They haven't given up, they just haven't found the right document. In American research, ancestors get labeled brick walls because there are many courthouses that burned during the American Civil War (I don't know how many burned courthouses are in Canada). We don't think of these as end of line, but as a brick wall, because we think there has to be a better way around these records. I had one American ancestor, born 1814 in a burned out county. That means that there was a fire at one time that destroyed all or most of the records that are kept in the American courthouse back then. I thought I knew who his parents were, but since the county burned, I couldn't look up the will that his father wrote. I knew he wasn't the end of the line, but I was blocked (brick wall) from doing any further research. I eventually used DNA to figure out that line and was able to take it to the 1600s. In my Portuguese research, I have Manuel Furtado Marianna da Trindade. Both from Vila Franca (he's Sao Miguel Arcanjo and she's Sao Pedro). They should have married in the 1770s. We've searched about 5 freguesias west and 5 freguesias east and can't find their marriage. The Sao Pedro church has about 5 missing pages in the 1770s. We think that is where their marriage is. We don't think this is the end of the line because sooner or later we'll either find them as godparents or witnesses to something or I'll have to use DNA to figure it out. Does that explain the little bit of difference between the two? Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...BRIO
Thank you Edgar...I have that info and can not get any thing more than that thus far. Yes, I have done the county thing...thats how I know when he arrived, when he became a citizen etc..Thanks again From: eric edgar noblankt...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:44:45 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...BRIO Marek, I see him on the 1880 in Hawkinsville, and on the 1870 in Yreka as Joseph Francis with wife Amelia, daughter Mary and son Joseph.Says he was born in the Western Islands in 1832. Have you shook out all the local history sources for Siskyiou county yet? Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Marek Delacroix marekdelacr...@yahoo.com wrote: Brick Wall Family Member: My great great grandfather was Joseph Francis Brio, more likely, Jose Francisco, last name could be spelled Brejo. I have also seen his last name as Braio. He was born on Flores, Azore Islands 1835. Came to America in 1854, was granted citizenship papers in Boston, Mass on April 24, 1854. He married a woman named Amelia, nothing else known about her. I have heard her maiden name could have been Brio, and Joseph's surname could have been Francis. They ended-up in Yreka, Siskiyou County CA. Both are buried at St. Joseph Catholic Cemetery in Yreka, CA. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Also...I was reading the census from Yreka, Siskiyou county, CA. And it states someone was born in Ireland...help appreciated!! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
Here is one of my most stubborn brick walls: Manuel Homem Camelo, of Santa Bárbara (Santo António além Capelas-S. Miguel) was married to Maria da Natividade Viveiros of Relva. She died on 28 Mar 1744 in Santo António. On 6 Jul 1744 he married Apolónia dos Santos, daughter of António de Sousa Pavão and Ana Costa of Calhetas (which is between Fenais da Luz and Rabo de Peixe). I have looked in Santo António, Relva, Fenais da Luz and Rabo de Peixe with no luck. Manuel Homem Camelo and Apolónia dos Santos are my ancestors. Any hits? Thanks! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
Brick wall is a term that genealogists use to explain an ancestor that they cannot get past. They are stuck there. They keep trying to research and research, but it feels like they have run into a brick wall. The dictionary says this: an immovable block or obstruction the plan ran into a brick wall Cheri --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
Friends, I dont understand Brick Wall, could someone explain to me please? Thank you Karlushko - Itajai/SC/Brasil Pesquisando: Santa Catarina, Alemanha, Franca, Holanda, Belgica, Espanha Portugal, Italia, Luxemburgo Reinert, Jungklaus, Van der Gocht, Ottekier, Hesse, Laux, Schumer, Bertemes, Schilling, Fiorenzano, Feijo, Martins, Costa, Dutra, Dias, Silveira, Gato, Sodre, Andre, Arruda, Aguiar, Lemos, Machado, Mattos, Silveira, Mello, Miranda, Leal Quadrado, Rebello, Marques, Brasil, Teixeira, Baptista, Jorge, Van der Burggerie --- Em qui, 27/8/09, marra...@cs.com marra...@cs.com escreveu: De: marra...@cs.com marra...@cs.com Assunto: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL... Para: azores@googlegroups.com Data: Quinta-feira, 27 de Agosto de 2009, 17:36 Here is one of my most stubborn brick walls: Manuel Homem Camelo, of Santa Bárbara (Santo António além Capelas-S. Miguel) was married to Maria da Natividade Viveiros of Relva. She died on 28 Mar 1744 in Santo António. On 6 Jul 1744 he married Apolónia dos Santos, daughter of António de Sousa Pavão and Ana Costa of Calhetas (which is between Fenais da Luz and Rabo de Peixe). I have looked in Santo António, Relva, Fenais da Luz and Rabo de Peixe with no luck. Manuel Homem Camelo and Apolónia dos Santos are my ancestors. Any hits? Thanks! Veja quais são os assuntos do momento no Yahoo! +Buscados http://br.maisbuscados.yahoo.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: BRICK WALL...
That's weird. My answer to Carlos' post came through before the original. Carlos asked what we mean by brick wall. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors
Thanks, Cheri for the reminder. My brick wall is my grandmother, Maria do Rosario born 11 Sep 1893 to Jacintho Furtado (born 01 Oct 1865) and Maria dos Anjos (b.?) in Pedreira, Nordeste, Sao Miguel. Jacintho's parents were Manoel Furtado (b. Achada) and Jacinta Cabral (b. Pedreira). Maria dos Anjos was born in Pedreira, father unknown, mother Maria de Farias. I have Jacintho Furtado back to 1700, but no information on Maria dos Anjos. I believe they married about 1891 and had a son John. My grandmother married my grandfather Antonio Franco Pacheco 08 Feb 1912 in Pedreira and came to America in 1917. I have the Pacheco line back to before 1500. I would appreciate any information on Maria dos Anjos or her mother Maria de Farias. Judi From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:13:43 -0700 Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall ancestors To: Azores@googlegroups.com As Celeste Perry has recently posted about a brick wall ancestor, I thought I'd mention this topic. Post about your brick wall ancestor even if you posted about them 6 months ago. Or a year ago. I think a couple of you have it written on your calendar about posting about yours, because I see them every so often. New things come out now with so much digitizing. I think we mention the CCA site at least monthly because of new members and because people who are stuck at a brick wall may not initially realize that some sources are worth searching. Some queries do fall flat on their initial request. It takes some time to figure out how to write a query to a list (any list, not just this one) and get a response. A query of Looking for Manuel de Mello, someone help me will not get much of a response. Listing your ancestors dates (birth, marriage, death or any timeline dates that you have (e.g. he lived in New Bedford during the 1910s), who he was married to, kids, and places you have found him is much more helpful and is more likely to get people to answer you back. Brick wall ancestors (and for many of us, it's the immigrant ancestor) are hard to research. You'll have to try one suggestion at a time. I mentioned in a previous post that it took me 4 years and 25 documents for me to figure out my brick wall/immigrant ancestor. I think that with all the stuff coming on the Internet now, it would be more like 2 weeks to find him. Pretty amazing how much this hobby has progressed since I started in 1992. For more information on researching brick wall/ immigrant ancestors, look at my how to article posted on the Azores Genweb: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors
Brickwall Ancestor: What Happened to Maria DeLuz Caton (Caetano)? Maria DeLuz born @ 1882 on Santa Maria Island, Azores Daughter of Manuel CABRAL and Anna ALVES Immigrated 1903 to Provincetown, MA, USA Married 24 July 1905 in New Bedford, MA to William Willie Caton (Gerurlherme Caetano) 1910 US Census shows family living on Pearl Street, Provincetown, MA Mother of 5: Marion Standish Caton -female- born 1906 Provincetown, MA; James Caton -male- born 1907 Provincetown, MA; Charles Caton (Carlos Caetano) -male- born 1909 Provincetown, MA; Manuel Caton - male- born 1911 Fairhaven, MA; Dorothy Caton -female- born after 1911 in Massachusetts Family legend is sketchy for Maria - thus she is a 'brickwall ancestor' - Maria (Mary) in family notes is elusive in her birth as she is in her death. Her maiden name is unclear - family records show her using DeLuz in various forms, such as DaLuiz, and DeLuiz, and DeLuz . . . And was DeLuz her maiden name? Had she been married before she married Caton/Caetano? What was her maiden name - was she given either her mother or her father's surname at birth or someone else's? Family legend says she died in the 1917-1919 Flu Epidemic but Massachusetts death records checks so far have not found a Maria Caton, Mary Caton, or Maria Caetano of what the 'understood' age range she would have been to have died during that time. A look at Rhode Island and Conn. death records have proved any better - yet. Maria DeLuz Caton just drops off the map. Her children paid a terrible price - particularly the 2 youngest as they were unwanted by any relatives - too young to work, they were sent to orphanages when their mother 'died' ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors
Brickwall Ancestor: What Happened to Maria DeLuz Caton (Caetano)? Maria DeLuz born @ 1882 on Santa Maria Island, Azores Daughter of Manuel CABRAL and Anna ALVES Immigrated 1903 to Provincetown, MA, USA Married 24 July 1905 in New Bedford, MA to William Willie Caton (Gerurlherme Caetano) 1910 US Census shows family living on Pearl Street, Provincetown, MA Mother of 5: Marion Standish Caton -female- born 1906 Provincetown, MA; James Caton -male- born 1907 Provincetown, MA; Charles Caton (Carlos Caetano) -male- born 1909 Provincetown, MA; Manuel Caton - male- born 1911 Fairhaven, MA; Dorothy Caton -female- born after 1911 in Massachusetts Family legend is sketchy for Maria - thus she is a 'brickwall ancestor' - Maria (Mary) in family notes is elusive in her birth as she is in her death. Her maiden name is unclear - family records show her using DeLuz in various forms, such as DaLuiz, and DeLuiz, and DeLuz . . . And was DeLuz her maiden name? Had she been married before she married Caton/Caetano? What was her maiden name - was she given either her mother or her father's surname at birth or someone else's? Family legend says she died in the 1917-1919 Flu Epidemic but Massachusetts death records checks so far have not found a Maria Caton, Mary Caton, or Maria Caetano of what the 'understood' age range she would have been to have died during that time. A look at Rhode Island and Conn. death records have proved any better - yet. Maria DeLuz Caton just drops off the map. Her children paid a terrible price - particularly the 2 youngest as they were unwanted by any relatives - too young to work, they were sent to orphanages when their mother 'died' ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors
Brickwall Ancestor: What Happened to Maria DeLuz Caton (Caetano)? Maria DeLuz born @ 1882 on Santa Maria Island, Azores Daughter of Manuel CABRAL and Anna ALVES Immigrated 1903 to Provincetown, MA, USA Married 24 July 1905 in New Bedford, MA to William Willie Caton (Gerurlherme Caetano) 1910 US Census shows family living on Pearl Street, Provincetown, MA Mother of 5: Marion Standish Caton -female- born 1906 Provincetown, MA; James Caton -male- born 1907 Provincetown, MA; Charles Caton (Carlos Caetano) -male- born 1909 Provincetown, MA; Manuel Caton - male- born 1911 Fairhaven, MA; Dorothy Caton -female- born after 1911 in Massachusetts Family legend is sketchy for Maria - thus she is a 'brickwall ancestor' - Maria (Mary) in family notes is elusive in her birth as she is in her death. Her maiden name is unclear - family records show her using DeLuz in various forms, such as DaLuiz, and DeLuiz, and DeLuz . . . And was DeLuz her maiden name? Had she been married before she married Caton/Caetano? What was her maiden name - was she given either her mother or her father's surname at birth or someone else's? Family legend says she died in the 1917-1919 Flu Epidemic but Massachusetts death records checks so far have not found a Maria Caton, Mary Caton, or Maria Caetano of what the 'understood' age range she would have been to have died during that time. A look at Rhode Island and Conn. death records have proved any better - yet. Maria DeLuz Caton just drops off the map. Her children paid a terrible price - particularly the 2 youngest as they were unwanted by any relatives - too young to work, they were sent to orphanages when their mother 'died' ... --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors, Deolinda Goncalves Pedro (Avila)
My brick wall ancestor is my paternal grandmother Deolinda Goncalves Pedro b. aprox. 08 Nov 1873 Lajes das Flores, Azores. Parents are listed as Antone Goncalves and Isabel Pedro . She had 6 sisters 1. Catherine m ? Serpa lived in Oakland CA. 2. Mary Jesus m (1) Tony Thomas (2) Joe Silveira lived in Merced CA. 3. Anna went to Rio de Janiero and married there, family lost track of her. 4. Mamie m ? Serpa and lived in Fairfield CA 5. Florence never married and 6. Margaret m Joe Serpa and lived in Oakland CA. 1 brother Maurice or Morris who died at sea. (Yes I know I keep writing Serpa, but I got my information from a very old aunt before she died. I'm pretty sure she wasn't remembering correctly.) Deolinda m 08 Dec 1901 Oakland CA to Frank B. Avila. I have copies of the marriage certificate and both death certificates. They are buried in Winton Cemetery, Winton CA with my mother and father Frank P. and Helen Silva Avila. Family story is she came to Oakland CA with 2 sisters and lived and worked there in the mills before she married my grandfather in 1901. She was a very short woman only 4'10 but very strong, only wore black clothes. After my granfather died in 1922 she worked and ran the dairy farm with her 2 sons till the day she died in 1953. She hand milked the cows, planted sweet potatoes and hay. Even raised chickens, ducks and pigs for meat and hams. My sister and I never learned to speak Portugues and she never spoke English, but we understood each other very well. Funny when you are children everything comes so easy... Any help anyone can give me with Deolinda will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Beverly - Original Message - From: Guida Leicester chandler...@yahoo.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:39:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors, Maria Rosa Jorge My brick wall ancestor is Manuel Silveira Azevedo, my maternal grandfather. I've posted this before in a few places in hopes someone out there will connect with me to help continue my search on my elusive avô. I have connected with some parentes but am interested in finding present day relatives in USA and in the Azores. Thank you, Cheri, for starting this thread! My Azevedo branch of the family resided on São Jorge, specifically Fajã dos Cubres. If any relatives are left there, I'd love to hear from you. My maternal grandfather, 2 brothers, maybe a sister and a nephew all arrived via California from the Azores in 1880s early 1900s. Surname was (Manuel, Jose e João, Maria, Antone and wife Sybella--Isabella Izilde?) Silveira Azevedo There are Teixeiras, Mendonças, by marriage--Nunes in my family line, all situated in Fajã dos Cubres. Again, I would like to contact present day relatives who stayed behind in São Jorge as not all came to USA. Maybe they all moved to other parts of São Jorge, like Calheta? Or perhaps to other islands, the East Coast or Idaho, Oregon? I hope to make a trip to São Jorge one day soon to meet relatives there. Below is what I know--it is a lot, so skim through. I hope posting here--again!-- will reach a broader world audience. One never knows when new-old relatives may see this. Obrigada! INFO: Parents of my grandfather Manuel or Manoel:Vencelão Silveira de Azevedo (variant: Venceslau Jose de Azevedo)-peasant/journeyma n-carpenter and Maria Vitorina, domestic. Residents of Faja dos Cubres, married in Ribeira Seca 11-17-1848. Grandparents: Paternal: incognito (but there is a listing in Venceslau's death certificate of father’s name as Manoel António Azevedo--who is also listed as godfather to several of Venceslau's children), and mother was Rita Maria (de Mendonça). Maternal: incognito and Francisca Vitorina, meaning both my grandfather Manoel's parents were probably illegitimate. No record of a marriage having ever taken place between the senior Manoel Azevedo and Rita Mendonça. Santiago Maior and Casa Gaspar Silva Ribeira Seca Churches—possible baptismal/ marriage places? Manoel’s brothers and sisters: Mariana, 8-14-1849, Rosa 5-29-1852, Maria 3-27-1854, Antonio, 2-10-1857, Anna, 4-22-1860, Manoel, 2-13-1862 (married Martha Gluch in ID and had 13 children) , José, 2/26/1864 (disabled in some manner and ended up living in Boise ID. Never married), João1/1/1866 (married a Basque woman, Mary Balestegui. They had 2 or 3 children, one son named John Jr, a plumber by trade living in San Pablo CA . May still be alive; if so he’s in his 80s), Rita,2/19/1869 [Baptized on 3/16/1869 Ribeira Seca Baptism #24/1869], died 3/20/1944 in Calheta, Sao Jorge). Antonio (Antone), nephew (son of sister Rosa), came to USA , returned to Azores and married Isabel Izilde, returning to Idaho and marrying there again in 1906. They had a daughter, Mary. Antone died sometime before 1917 and Isabel (Sybella) re- married a Joe Romero
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors, Deolinda Goncalves Pedro (Avila)
Beverly, Do you have Isabel and the sisters on the 1900 census ? Do you have their ship list? The Flores marriage book shows no record of Antonio Goncalves and Isabel Pedro. The Familais da Ilha das Flores shows no listing for a Pedro family. The majority of Pedro family is found in Santa Cruz. Goncalves is most common associated with Furtado in Flores. Eric Edgar On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:50 AM, bmmarc...@comcast.net wrote: My brick wall ancestor is my paternal grandmother *Deolinda Goncalves Pedro *b. aprox. 08 Nov 1873 Lajes das Flores, Azores. Parents are listed as *Antone Goncalves *and *Isabel Pedro*. She had 6 sisters *1. Catherine *m ? Serpa lived in Oakland CA. *2. Mary Jesus *m (1) Tony Thomas (2) Joe Silveira lived in Merced CA. *3. Anna *went to Rio de Janiero and married there, family lost track of her. *4. Mamie *m ? Serpa and lived in Fairfield CA *5. Florence *never married and *6. Margaret *m Joe Serpa and lived in Oakland CA. 1 brother *Maurice or Morris *who died at sea. (Yes I know I keep writing Serpa, but I got my information from a very old aunt before she died. I'm pretty sure she wasn't remembering correctly.) Deolinda m 08 Dec 1901 Oakland CA to Frank B. Avila. I have copies of the marriage certificate and both death certificates. They are buried in Winton Cemetery, Winton CA with my mother and father Frank P. and Helen Silva Avila. Family story is she came to Oakland CA with 2 sisters and lived and worked there in the mills before she married my grandfather in 1901. She was a very short woman only 4'10 but very strong, only wore black clothes. After my granfather died in 1922 she worked and ran the dairy farm with her 2 sons till the day she died in 1953. She hand milked the cows, planted sweet potatoes and hay. Even raised chickens, ducks and pigs for meat and hams. My sister and I never learned to speak Portugues and she never spoke English, but we understood each other very well. Funny when you are children everything comes so easy... Any help anyone can give me with Deolinda will be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance, Beverly - Original Message - From: Guida Leicester chandler...@yahoo.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 5:39:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors, Maria Rosa Jorge My brick wall ancestor is Manuel Silveira Azevedo, my maternal grandfather. I've posted this before in a few places in hopes someone out there will connect with me to help continue my search on my elusive avô. I have connected with some parentes but am interested in finding present day relatives in USA and in the Azores. Thank you, Cheri, for starting this thread! My Azevedo branch of the family resided on São Jorge, specifically Fajã dos Cubres. If any relatives are left there, I'd love to hear from you. My maternal grandfather, 2 brothers, maybe a sister and a nephew all arrived via California from the Azores in 1880s early 1900s. Surname was (Manuel, Jose e João, Maria, Antone and wife Sybella--Isabella Izilde?) Silveira Azevedo There are Teixeiras, Mendonças, by marriage--Nunes in my family line, all situated in Fajã dos Cubres. Again, I would like to contact present day relatives who stayed behind in São Jorge as not all came to USA. Maybe they all moved to other parts of São Jorge, like Calheta? Or perhaps to other islands, the East Coast or Idaho, Oregon? I hope to make a trip to São Jorge one day soon to meet relatives there. Below is what I know--it is a lot, so skim through. I hope posting here--again!-- will reach a broader world audience. One never knows when new-old relatives may see this. Obrigada! INFO: Parents of my grandfather Manuel or Manoel:Vencelão Silveira de Azevedo (variant: Venceslau Jose de Azevedo)-peasant/journeyman-carpenter and Maria Vitorina, domestic. Residents of Faja dos Cubres, married in Ribeira Seca 11-17-1848. Grandparents: Paternal: incognito (but there is a listing in Venceslau's death certificate of father’s name as Manoel António Azevedo--who is also listed as godfather to several of Venceslau's children), and mother was Rita Maria (de Mendonça). Maternal: incognito and Francisca Vitorina, meaning both my grandfather Manoel's parents were probably illegitimate. No record of a marriage having ever taken place between the senior Manoel Azevedo and Rita Mendonça. Santiago Maior and Casa Gaspar Silva Ribeira Seca Churches—possible baptismal/ marriage places? Manoel’s brothers and sisters: Mariana, 8-14-1849, Rosa 5-29-1852, Maria 3-27-1854, Antonio, 2-10-1857, Anna, 4-22-1860, Manoel, 2-13-1862 (married Martha Gluch in ID and had 13 children) , José, 2/26/1864 (disabled in some manner and ended up living in Boise ID. Never married), João1/1/1866 (married a Basque woman, Mary Balestegui. They had 2 or 3 children, one son named John Jr, a plumber
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors, Maria Rosa Jorge
Maria Rosa Jorge is my brick wall. I try to post this on the list twice a year in hopes of a miracle. :) My Great Aunt, Maria Rosa Jorge, daughter of Thomas Pereira Jorge de Escobar Maria Clara/Maria Rosa has been my brick wall for 8 years. I'm trying to locate U.S. descendants. All the above were from Cedros, Faial. Maria Rosa Jorge was born 3-28-1882 in Cedros, Faial, Azores. She immigrated in 1893 at 11yrs of age with sister, Maria Adelaide Jorge, 17yrs old, to RI. I have copies of this from the Passport book in Horta. Her older sister, Maria Adelaide, married Jose Furtado Dutra, also from Cedros, in Providence, RI in 1893. Maria Adelaide died less than two years later in Jamestown, RI. Maria Rosa was only 13yrs old when her sister died in 1895. No one in the family knows who she lived with or had any contact with her for years. She was alive in 1950 at 68yrs of age. She surprisingly appeared at her brothers funeral in Jamestown, RI. I do not have her married name but was told she married young. This family lived in New Bedford, MA RI so I have been searching both areas. I have searched census records, obituaries, a few cemeteries ship lists for clues. Have not located her on any of these except for the passenger list of the SS Vega ship that she her sister came over on in 1893. Have also searched several RI New Bedford area churches for marriage records. She could have used the name Perry. Maria Rosa Perry or Maria Jorge, Maria Clara or another variation. The double surnames are challenging to work with. My goal is to find her marriage or death record. I currently have her Cedros, Faial birth record and all other family members birth, marriage death records. If anyone has any other suggestions, I'd sure appreciate them. Thanks for reading this. ~Patricia~ Las Vegas, NV At 09:13 AM 8/25/2009, you wrote: As Celeste Perry has recently posted about a brick wall ancestor, I thought I'd mention this topic. Post about your brick wall ancestor even if you posted about them 6 months ago. Or a year ago. I think a couple of you have it written on your calendar about posting about yours, because I see them every so often. New things come out now with so much digitizing. I think we mention the CCA site at least monthly because of new members and because people who are stuck at a brick wall may not initially realize that some sources are worth searching. Some queries do fall flat on their initial request. It takes some time to figure out how to write a query to a list (any list, not just this one) and get a response. A query of Looking for Manuel de Mello, someone help me will not get much of a response. Listing your ancestors dates (birth, marriage, death or any timeline dates that you have (e.g. he lived in New Bedford during the 1910s), who he was married to, kids, and places you have found him is much more helpful and is more likely to get people to answer you back. Brick wall ancestors (and for many of us, it's the immigrant ancestor) are hard to research. You'll have to try one suggestion at a time. I mentioned in a previous post that it took me 4 years and 25 documents for me to figure out my brick wall/immigrant ancestor. I think that with all the stuff coming on the Internet now, it would be more like 2 weeks to find him. Pretty amazing how much this hobby has progressed since I started in 1992. For more information on researching brick wall/ immigrant ancestors, look at my how to article posted on the Azores Genweb: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.htmlhttp://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/HowTo.html -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors, Maria Rosa Jorge
My brick wall ancestor is Manuel Silveira Azevedo, my maternal grandfather. I've posted this before in a few places in hopes someone out there will connect with me to help continue my search on my elusive avô. I have connected with some parentes but am interested in finding present day relatives in USA and in the Azores. Thank you, Cheri, for starting this thread! My Azevedo branch of the family resided on São Jorge, specifically Fajã dos Cubres. If any relatives are left there, I'd love to hear from you. My maternal grandfather, 2 brothers, maybe a sister and a nephew all arrived via California from the Azores in 1880s early 1900s. Surname was (Manuel, Jose e João, Maria, Antone and wife Sybella--Isabella Izilde?) Silveira Azevedo There are Teixeiras, Mendonças, by marriage--Nunes in my family line, all situated in Fajã dos Cubres. Again, I would like to contact present day relatives who stayed behind in São Jorge as not all came to USA. Maybe they all moved to other parts of São Jorge, like Calheta? Or perhaps to other islands, the East Coast or Idaho, Oregon? I hope to make a trip to São Jorge one day soon to meet relatives there. Below is what I know--it is a lot, so skim through. I hope posting here--again!-- will reach a broader world audience. One never knows when new-old relatives may see this. Obrigada! INFO: Parents of my grandfather Manuel or Manoel:Vencelão Silveira de Azevedo (variant: Venceslau Jose de Azevedo)-peasant/journeyman-carpenter and Maria Vitorina, domestic. Residents of Faja dos Cubres, married in Ribeira Seca 11-17-1848. Grandparents: Paternal: incognito (but there is a listing in Venceslau's death certificate of father’s name as Manoel António Azevedo--who is also listed as godfather to several of Venceslau's children), and mother was Rita Maria (de Mendonça). Maternal: incognito and Francisca Vitorina, meaning both my grandfather Manoel's parents were probably illegitimate. No record of a marriage having ever taken place between the senior Manoel Azevedo and Rita Mendonça. Santiago Maior and Casa Gaspar Silva Ribeira Seca Churches—possible baptismal/ marriage places? Manoel’s brothers and sisters: Mariana, 8-14-1849, Rosa 5-29-1852, Maria 3-27-1854, Antonio, 2-10-1857, Anna, 4-22-1860, Manoel, 2-13-1862 (married Martha Gluch in ID and had 13 children) , José, 2/26/1864 (disabled in some manner and ended up living in Boise ID. Never married), João1/1/1866 (married a Basque woman, Mary Balestegui. They had 2 or 3 children, one son named John Jr, a plumber by trade living in San Pablo CA . May still be alive; if so he’s in his 80s), Rita,2/19/1869 [Baptized on 3/16/1869 Ribeira Seca Baptism #24/1869], died 3/20/1944 in Calheta, Sao Jorge). Antonio (Antone), nephew (son of sister Rosa), came to USA , returned to Azores and married Isabel Izilde, returning to Idaho and marrying there again in 1906. They had a daughter, Mary. Antone died sometime before 1917 and Isabel (Sybella) re- married a Joe Romero in 1917. She died in San Mateo , CA in 1960. Thanks for any leads!! Guida --- On Tue, 8/25/09, Patricia Butcher pereir...@cox.net wrote: From: Patricia Butcher pereir...@cox.net Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Brick wall ancestors, Maria Rosa Jorge To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 3:50 PM Maria Rosa Jorge is my brick wall. I try to post this on the list twice a year in hopes of a miracle. :) My Great Aunt, Maria Rosa Jorge, daughter of Thomas Pereira Jorge de Escobar Maria Clara/Maria Rosa has been my brick wall for 8 years. I'm trying to locate U.S. descendants. All the above were from Cedros, Faial. Maria Rosa Jorge was born 3-28-1882 in Cedros, Faial, Azores. She immigrated in 1893 at 11yrs of age with sister, Maria Adelaide Jorge, 17yrs old, to RI. I have copies of this from the Passport book in Horta. Her older sister, Maria Adelaide, married Jose Furtado Dutra, also from Cedros, in Providence, RI in 1893. Maria Adelaide died less than two years later in Jamestown, RI. Maria Rosa was only 13yrs old when her sister died in 1895. No one in the family knows who she lived with or had any contact with her for years. She was alive in 1950 at 68yrs of age. She surprisingly appeared at her brothers funeral in Jamestown, RI. I do not have her married name but was told she married young. This family lived in New Bedford, MA RI so I have been searching both areas. I have searched census records, obituaries, a few cemeteries ship lists for clues. Have not located her on any of these except for the passenger list of the SS Vega ship that she her sister came over on in 1893. Have also searched several RI New Bedford area churches for marriage records. She could have used the name Perry. Maria Rosa Perry or Maria Jorge, Maria Clara or another variation. The double surnames are challenging to work with. My goal is to find her marriage or death record. I currently have her
